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UC Davis Pepper Spray Video Goes Viral, Chancellor Asked to Resign

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The University of California, Davis, is launching an investigation into the actions of a police officer who pepper sprayed a group of students. Chancellor Linda Katehi said that she found UC Davis pepper spray incident “chilling” but that she would not stop down as Chancellor.

Katehi wrote in a statement:

“The events of this intervention have been videotaped and widely distributed. As indicated in various videos, the police used pepper spray against the students who were blocking the way. The use of pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this.”

Here’s the video of the incident.

The New York Daily News reports that the students were participating in the “Occupy UC Davis” movement. Chancellor Katehi allowed police on to the campus so that they could remove students who had set up tents in the University’s quad.

From the video, it doesn’t look like the police were threatened in any way. The officer seems perfectly calm as he walks up and down the line of protesters spraying them with pepper spray.

In an open letter to Katehi, Nathan Brown, an assistant professor in the English Department, wrote:

“You are responsible for it because this is what happens when UC Chancellors order police onto our campuses to disperse peaceful protesters through the use of force: students get hurt. Faculty get hurt…. You are responsible for the police violence directed against students on the UC Davis quad on November 18, 2011. As I said, I am writing to hold you responsible and to demand your immediate resignation on these grounds.”

Should Katehi step down as Chancellor? Should the officer in the video be stripped of his badge?

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184 Responses to “UC Davis Pepper Spray Video Goes Viral, Chancellor Asked to Resign”

  1. Gail Ward Pindzia

    Does that officer have a problem with authority. Naw, he is sure he is the be all and end all. Obviously he is lost and cannot control him own behavior, Fire him immediatly, If you can't control yourself, you have no business pretending to control others.

  2. Jerry Erbe

    This incident is simply part of the "non-violent" protest demonstrations. The police, as it appears in this video clip, were only doing their job. The did not appear to be out of line, out of control or abusive. The gave the protesters sufficient warning to disperse and when they did not, the police did their job. This is part of the process and it was it's only logical conclusion given the events as they have been unfolding. There are certain civic rules that will have to be enforced at some point or another, what else would you have the city officials do? Don't get me wrong, I'm on the side of the Protesters, but this particular video clip is not what I would call inflammatory.

  3. Linda Sanders Spriggle

    This was totally unnecessary the students were not a threat to the officers the officers that used the spray should be in jail for assault. Yes and I think Congress should have limits just like the president.

  4. Stephen Crescenti

    The students should be kicked out of school for causing this whole scene. Last I looked, school was for learning, not for protesting. It's a right to be in the country, but that doesn't give you the right to disturb others… like the people wanting to learn. The boys in blue warned them and they didn't move. There wasn't any violence and they resorted to pepper spray… The only thing that concerns me is that it appears the pepper spray wasn't as potent as it should be. These kids got hosed and didn't move… need a stronger batch of pepper spray! All this "occupy" crap has got to go… get a life people!

  5. Larry Jansen

    Margarita Flores if you are disrupting the peace of others and disobeyed the law (the police warnings), then they deserve to be dismissed with whatever means are available. The problem with OCCUPIERS is they want to ignore the law and make their own!!

  6. Logan Hernandez

    You do realize that they could have just arrested them, right? There was no excuse for pepper spray. Under the guise of "protecting" the students, they harmed them. I don't see any justification for this.

  7. Don St John

    If you are ordered by the police to leave and you refuse then you should expect to have force used. The cop wasn't out of control and he wasn't the only one spraying. Pepper spray was used to make the protesters less able to fight back and more easily removed. Besides, it's just pepper spray. It's not like they were being clubbed to death and their bodies dragged away.

    Actions have consequences. If the police tell you to move and you don't, expect to get moved.

  8. Sam Owens

    Larry Jansen That's an outright bull faced lie. They aren't disrupting the peace of others at all. People like you and these cops are the oppressive sons of bitches who want to defend the shit system that has destroyed the world economy at the expense of those who would protest to force it to change.

  9. Mitchell Garcia

    these police are straight boss. I like how stuff like this doesn't even remotely happen here in Guatemala at all. Honestly, if you're trying to be part of a civil rights movement, you should expect to get wrecked by the police. Instead of crying about it, be proud of it.

  10. Larry Jansen

    Sam Owens Its the socialistic ways these people want that have ruined the world economy! look at the history of SOCIALISM, it has never worked! Read up on it and educate yourself!

  11. Mo Morgan

    "Last I looked, school was for learning, not for protesting."

    And you are the authority on this? Education is involved in politics, and even controlled by the political climate. In this world, everything, unfortunately, is political. Therefore, any human that feels wronged has the BORN RIGHT to protest for what they see wrong, even if it means breaking a law in order to get another changed. You need to (ironically) pick up a book and learn a little bit about the history of protest and how its shaped this world and even given you the right to voice your idiotic ideas and be an apologist for the police and a propagandist for the 1%. Get a life? Take your own advice, coward.

  12. Leanna Mattea

    so Larry, you want to take away our right to PEACEFUL demonstration. They were sitting, not breaking windows or looting.

  13. Mo Morgan

    I wonder who's side you would have been on during the revolutionary war

  14. Mo Morgan

    Larry Jansen – and even Mr. Capitalism himself, Alan Greenspan, admitted Capitalism has never worked and its current incarnation has failed, hence the global economy being on the verge of collapse. There is no "friendly" or "workable" version of Capitalism. Its inherent design is to allow the exploitation of others so a very small minority can accumulate all of the wealth, at any/all costs. I'm not saying Socialism works, but there needs to be more open mindedness to getting toward a workable set of sociopolitical/socioeconomic guidelines that allows for more income equality. Any arguments otherwise is just sound-bite politics and political polarization, usually perpetrated by propagandists on either spectrum that could care less about a solution, and more about creating conflict that keeps people divided and at odds. Which, by the way, is VERY Un-American. So, Larry, who are you? Someone who wants a solution? Or just another neo-con spouting "SOCIALISM!!!!" at anything they dont understand or agree with?

  15. Seussi Bright

    Larry Jansen no, we have the RIGHT to protest. Get your facts straight. If you do not like these constitutional rights being put in action, please leave. This is what America was founded on.

  16. Gwendolyn Walker

    Not sure she should resign….but for sure the COP…should be fired..just for being an IDIOT!

  17. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    First Amendment rights are limited on a school campus, just like the kid who can't wear a US flag t-shirt on Cinco de Mayo, the administration has the right to limit the place and times so as not to interfere with the learning of other students. Blocking the path limits the rights of students with disabilities and have to be kept open by law.

    Pepper spray was the safest thing to use for everyone involved. The students and police were more likely to face injuries having to just wade in there. The police officers involved were very professional they showed the students the consequences of their actions and gave them the opportunity to leave. The officer than applied the spray in a methodical manner.

  18. Seussi Bright

    I think he meant martial law, think about it for just one second.

  19. Tricia Morris Conner

    Larry Jansen I didnt see any disruption there. So if people are blocking a path at a park it is ok to pepper spray them to get them off the path? I think not. Same here in this instance, walk around them. DUH

  20. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    They were blocking the path it is actually serious fine and crime denying access to students with disabilities. They are required by law to keep the paths open.

  21. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Logan Hernandez it was safer for everybody to use the pepper spray. Students and police officers can sustain serious injury if they resist being moved. A group of them still hugged up and had to be pried apart.

  22. Mo Morgan

    Larry Jansen – I wonder who's side your ancestors were on during the Revolutionary War. I'm beginning to think they were the ones wearing the Red Coats..

  23. Seussi Bright

    Since when was peacefully protesting a crime punishable with pepperspray? Since when were people treated like cattle for excercising their American rights? And most of all, why are there so many "Americans" who don't know their history and think this is acceptable?

  24. Kevin Gianvito

    Schools are more then just a learning place. Sports, fundraisers, meeting, also protesting. These students pay to go there. What about Kent State.? You are just against the whole "occupy crap" ! Ballroom dancing . Dancing with the stars, Get a life .

  25. Seussi Bright

    Larry Jansen oh you're absolutely ridiculous! This is far from socialism, you would know that if you'd stop watching Fox News for 5 minutes and picked up the constitution. You're on what appears to be a witch burning crusade and it seems you're willing to turn Thomas Jefferson's dream into a police state for that sake of you delusion.

  26. Mo Morgan

    @ Joseph Fitzpatrick.
    So, is it up to you to make excuses for the police? To be an apologist for them? Hmm.
    And your legal/illegal argument hold no weight when CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is being used. Its the purposeful breaking of the law because you disagree with other laws. Politics 101, bub. And yes, one should expect state-sponsored brutality from the right arm of an oppressive governement, but that doesnt mean they have to tolerate it, or not expose it. Its people like you that really make me wonder if some lambs actually like being led to the slaughter….

  27. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – I see you making a lot of excuses for the police. Are you on their payroll?

  28. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – More excuses? You either dont understand protest at all, or you are on someone's payroll.

  29. Seussi Bright

    Mo Morgan -hey hey my ancestors were on that side and I don't act like that lol

  30. Seussi Bright

    Mitchell Garcia Well by the statement you made, I could never have guessed that you could have guessed that. So, yes. For realzies. ;)

  31. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan it is not an excuse they are doing their job in enforcing the law using the minimum amount of force required to safely removing the people who are creating a hazard.I have been pepper sprayed and tear gassed for training purposes, it is an irritant that is easily flushed away unlike if someone starts throwing punches or having to pry them apart.
    " legal/illegal argument hold no weight when CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is being used. Its the purposeful breaking of the law because you disagree with other laws." so by your logic all those occupy members committing rape and murder should have those laws not apply because they want to change some other law as well? or does that apply to everyone; I don't like the speed limit on my street does that give me the moral justification to murder the guy who cut in front of me at the coffee shop on the corner? I am the sheepdog, not a sheep or wolf.

  32. Judy Clue

    I don't think those cops are humans. No joke. They could be wicked ETs morphed into human bodies. Or they are officially nazis. Take your pick. I wonder about nazis as well.

  33. Jessica Beck

    In enforcing these students' "right" to protest, we are ignoring the rights of the other students to have a peaceful, safe, environment in which to go to school and learn.
    This "occupy crap" is getting in the way of the productive members of society trying to do their jobs.
    I agree with Stephen – get a life, people.

  34. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – Rape and murder are not acts of civil disobedience. You lack even the most basic reading comprehension skills. And your other comparisons are laughable. You obviously are grasping at straws.
    And YES, it IS an excuse. Following orders that go against PROTECTING people should be grounds for the Sargent/Lieutenant to be fired, and any captain that was at the helm that day. Policing has gotten out of control in this country and unjust laws are being enforced by heavy-handed bullies with no sense of patriotism and accountability whatsoever. "Just following orders" was what the SS officers said back in the 40's as well. Again I see you making an effort to be an apologist for these thugs that were not being threatened and noones safety or freedoms were at risk, except for the protesters. And the attackers were the police.

  35. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan I am on no one's payroll and I have been part of several protests that have been civil and made actual reform. I am tired of whiny little self-important jackasses think the world should revolve around them. When these babies want to stop acting like petulant children throwing temper tantrums and have an adult conversation with respect and listening to the many sides of an issue in a calm rational manner well then we can talk.

  36. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – is/was a cop. No wonder the jingoistic defense of these bullies

  37. Mitchell Garcia

    you're right. I should keep my trolling to total derisiveness rather than sarcasm, because sarcasm just goes right over people's heads. I forget how many tards are on the internet.

  38. Mo Morgan

    Seussi Bright – thats cool, I was just trying to draw a comparison to show how the critics of OWS think they aren't the 99% and that they think that somehow civil disobedience is Un-American. Its as American as Apple Pie and this country was founded using the same tactics.

  39. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – The other students weren't safe? The ones that the protesting students were standing up for? How were their "rights" being violated? How?
    America was founded on the concept of civil disobedience. Dont like that notion? Then move out. The only ones that need a life are the apologists for the 1% and the coddlers of the corporate state that you apparently love so much. I am part of the 99% and a responsible father that is self-employed. A dance instructor? Now who needs to get a life? Pathetic.

  40. Mo Morgan

    they should be FOR it, considering most of them get $38k a year. Thats a poor salary considering you are putting your life on the line every day

  41. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck -oh, and by "life" what do YOU mean? Check-to-check? Eeking your way through life? Some of us want LIFE, not SURVIVAL. So, actually, we ARE in the process of "getting a life" – meanwhile you just bend over you entire life and LOVE every minute of it, because, in fact, some people actually LIKE being wage-slaves. Uncertainty and dissent is too scary for their lazy minds to comprehend, so they react from a fear-based stance and bleat out BS like you just did. Get a life….indeed…

  42. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan so far your logical arguments are a string of red herring fallacies; straw man, ad hominem, judgmental language, and several of the appeal to emotion. BASED on YOUR OWN WORDS which I quoted that it is okay if laws are broken I used an example some would call an absurdium to show how your logic is entirely faulty and you reply with an attack on my intelligence (fyi I was reading at a college level before I left elementary school) so do you draw the line at felony or misdemeanor.
    As to the second point the officer was acting to protect the rights of other citizens. When you choose to break the law you become an outlaw. I will break it down further for you, historically an outlaw is not only acting outside the bounds of the law they are outside the protection of the law, we have amended that as a society to acknowledge some basic human rights. The students were blocking access to public space and paths that it is a felony with special circumstances as goes to blocking disabled access and the university can face severe legal repercussions to allow such activity. Could the other students go around, most of them yes, however the students could have formed their human chain along the path and they would not interfered with others; passive aggression is still aggression they they merely used their force to commit others to use other force to remove for their own political purposes.

  43. Jessica Beck

    I'm not talking about everyday people. I'm talking about those who stand outside all day during work hours holding up a sign like that's going to change anything. and America may have been founded on civil disobedience, but it survived because of big business and the ingenuity of the 2%. The 98% just road coattails to success. And frankly, you have no idea what I have or have not done my entire life – so I wouldn't presume anything about my motivations. Fear – definitely not. I like the way society is, because generally speaking, those who ACTUALLY work hard, get rewarded.
    To make a real change in the world, you start by changing your attitude and behavior, not being a general nuisance until someone finally either changes just to get you to shut up, or pepper sprays your ass.

  44. Mo Morgan

    Mitchell Garcia – CEO/Co-owner eh? I see, chasing that Carrot, eh? How you enjoying a life of debt?

  45. Ana Garcia

    Larry Jansen WHAT LAW WAS BROKEN?? None. Peaceful protest, doing nothing but seen. That is a little man with a weapon. He does not deserve a badge. Thank GOD for video cameras. Can't coward behind denial when it'son film. He need to go.

  46. Ana Garcia

    The whole point is that the sins of the 1% are keeping them from having a life…. Peaceful protest are a staple of a free society. It's meant to spark change. Those officers were not in harm's way. They were just little insecure men with weapons.

  47. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan “Let us read, and let us dance; these two amusements will never do any harm to the world.”
    ― Voltaire
    Well apparently they have also taught us to critically think and that has you all kinds of twisted up.

  48. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – And you were insulting people whom represent the 99% of people that live check-to-check.

    "I'm not talking about everyday people. I'm talking about those who stand outside all day during work hours holding up a sign like that's going to change anything"

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EVERYDAY PEOPLE.

    Your twisted notion that somehow these people dont represent the vast majority of Americans whom are SICK of the GROSS INCOME EQUALITY is just outright STUPID.

    Yeah, "work hard, get rewarded"

    Talk about not having a clue about what white privilege is, and not having a iota of a clue of the contextual economic history of this country is. Most "success" is built on OLD MONEY, trailing back to even the slavery days. Capitalism is about doing whatever it takes (even if that means moving your company overseas, while blaming regulation to boot, to countries that allow SLAVE LABOR) to get ahead. The rags-to-riches stories get pumped into our faces, even though they are incredibly rare and generally sheer luck. Talk about a fantasy world.

    Keep chasing that carrot, maybe you'll be able to retire when you are 75 or 80.

    Its people just like you that are apologists for the ruling classes, and have their heads up in the clouds when it comes to privilege and your position in society. Get out and about IN THE STREETS and see what reality is like.

    Hey, another tidbit: This country was formed by acts of civil disobedience. Dont like that notion? Get OUT.

  49. Matthew Fitzgerald

    Larry Jansen We are in America last time I checked. Ever hear of the right for peaceful protests. It was a peaceful protest and they were breaking no laws and did not provoke the police. What happened is an obvious abuse of power.

  50. Jessica Beck

    Okay, you got me there. What I meant was, I'm not talking about those who aren't actively protesting. Sorry I was misunderstood. Other than that though, I stand by what I've said, and I didn't need to hurl personal insults at you to make my point.

    I've seen reality, and I live in poverty, like many others. The only difference is, I take responsibility for my own life.

  51. Jessica Beck

    And as for saying, "if you don't like it, get out"
    it seems that in fact the protesters are the ones who "don't like it", now doesn't it.

    Just because I don't agree with the protest doesn't mean I don't have the right to politely voice my opinion in a public forum – and hey, look, I did it without hindering foot traffic :)

  52. Mitchell Garcia

    Mo Morgan Yup, own 2 companies and a textile import startup. I'm actually currently loving it, cuz my businesses pay for themselves and I'll be debt free within the next 2 months. Actually didn't realize FB attached that title to my name on every post, but I can't say that I don't like it. You're jealousy is showing though, so I'd try tucking it back in.

  53. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – from your facebook: "My secret to living a full life is my personal relationship with Jesus Christ." – I think Jesus must be on vacation from you, being that he was one of the first figures in history that engaged in civil (and sometimes not so civil, take the bread market scene for instance) disobedience. You are 20 years old, and you think being a dance instructor…uh….Yes, I'm getting personal. You insulted million of people and then pretend that you somehow have the intellectual/moral high ground? What was the last BOOK you read, hon? Ayn Rand? No wonder.. By the time I was your age (20) I'd been to several countries, homeless in those countries, volunteered, worked in the harvest fields, and had made real, human connections with the impoverished (which included me) as well. It wasn't a choice, I just liked to travel. I've seen poverty. I've seen income inequality, and I firmly believe that a young lady like yourself whom lives in Phoenix (Im up in Flag) is likely a product of that ultra-conservative climate that is pervasive there. Good luck in your endeavors, I would never wish ill against a fellow American, but apparently the same may not go for you, since you so aptly put it as "occupy crap" – I see you are a drop-out too. Get back in school, get educated, see the (real) world, do some volunteering, GIVE.

    THEN come back and we might have a conversation in which I dont unabashedly RUIN you in. ;)

  54. Diane Linn Allen

    Mo Morgan Idiot. They can protest but there are limits on everyone. Obey them. They were a safety infraction and blocked those with disabilities. Protest if you must but obey the damn law.

  55. Jessica Beck

    Really, you think you "ruined" me?
    I too have been to several countries – haven't been homeless there, but that's because I like to shower.
    Jesus also said "give ye to caesar that which is caesar's" – (ooh look, I can use biblical quotes out of context too)
    My goal in life personally is not money oriented, because I've found what I love to do, and am doing it, daily – so insulting me there is just arguing a side point that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

  56. Mo Morgan

    Mitchell Garcia – jealousy? I'm independently wealthy at 29, self-employed….which isn't really the important part.I have a loving and healthy family. That, is TRUE wealth. You seem to measure it in dollars. Jealously is not the first emotion that comes to mind, its more of a mix of hilarity and pity. You must like being "the boss" eh? It certainly shows. You must take out your pent-up anger (because you cant beat your employees that you likely pay minimum wage to make you wealthy) online.

  57. Jessica Beck

    Furthermore – yes, I dropped out of highschool, but I went back and got a GED, and even if I didn't, intelligence and education are not always positively correlated, and it doesn't mean that I cannot hold a conversation, or articulate myself just fine.

  58. Jessica Beck

    The "occupy crap" was in quotations because the first person to say it was Steve, not me, and I was quoting for the sake of shorter typing. I'll call it whatever you like.

  59. Matthew Fitzgerald

    Jessica Beck I know plenty of people who work hard who can barely survive. There is no reason for 1% of America having as much as the the other 99% combined. That is squandering money. The whole point of this movement is that the very people who caused our economy to crash were not held responsible for their actions. Most people who run a company into the ground get fired or lose their business, not get bailed out and then get bonuses for what they did. These people should be in jail and/or fired like anyone else who did such shady things that caused a whole country's economy to crash. By bailing out the companies, that is bypassing capitalism.

  60. Jessica Beck

    And for volunteering, I do it all the time. Quit making assumptions.

    @Matthew – the people with the money have the right to squander it, in my opinion.

    In conclusion – get off my lawn.

  61. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – Wisdom is what matters, I agree. Good for you on the GED. You like to shower? Thats rich. Talk about not contributing anything to the conversation. Another sound-bite that shows you dont have much goin' on upstairs. "My goal in life personally is not money oriented" – good for you, you are part of the 99%. "nd it doesn't mean that I cannot hold a conversation, or articulate myself just fine." – You see, thats not really up to you. Your arguments have no substance and are simply subjective in nature. You call millions of people "crap". Thats what shows your lack of understanding even the most basic of socioeconomic issues. Pick up some history books and learn a bit about a subject before you come an insult millions that are engaging directly in democracy and using civil disobedience to voice their opinions. As I mentioned, this tactic is as American as Apple Pie, and its NOT crap. Engage in your surroundings more than just dropping a ballot in a box (yes, I know, you've only had one chance at that, being 20) – then you might have something to stand on. Participating in democracy is more than just voting, and spewing Limbaugh-esque talking points online, FYI

  62. Mitchell Garcia

    so you're different from me how? I'm 25, am a private chef and caterer, own a bakery that is contracted with the Guatemalan Government, and have exclusive import contracts with several textile companies to the united states. You make vast judgements based on my calling a guy on the internet a dipshit for confusing Marital and Martial and on facebook attaching a title to my name because I own some businesses. You sound jealous is what I'm saying.

  63. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck -"And for volunteering, I do it all the time. Quit making assumptions." – You do? I thought you "Dance and Music are my life…mostly composition in my free time. I also do freelance web design/SEO." You also say you dont have time for friends. Where do you find time to volunteer? And with whom? Most folks have the organizations they (rightfully) are proud of volunteering WITH (not FOR) on their FB pages. Whom do you volunteer with and how many hours a week?

  64. Jessica Beck

    Because it's THEIRS.
    I have to make a joke now and then or I shut down – sorry if my sense of humor does not amuse you.
    Thanks for calling me dumb – that's always something I like to hear.
    I don't vote. Feel free to assume why, and/or insult me for that.
    And, several of our founding fathers actually thought democracy was a BAD idea – opting instead for the "republic" part of "democratic-republic" that we claim to be.

    My intent was not to insult anyone, but rather to voice an opinion that isn't being heard from much anymore.

    With that, I'm done with this, not because I'm giving in, but frankly because I have better things to do on a Sunday morning.

  65. Diane Linn Allen

    Mo Morgan Everyone has a right to protest and everyone has a right to not listen. People protesting or not have no right to infringe on anyone Else's rights like going to school in an uninterrupted atmosphere and being able to get to their classes unimpeded.

  66. Jessica Beck

    I didn't take the time to tear your profile to shreds – sorry if that makes me look like I don't care about attacking you personally. I'll try to be better next time :)

  67. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – Ah, and admitting failure. You were being personal when you coddled the police state and the 1%ers. Better? Guilty conscience a bit? I have no desire to assassinate your weak character, but if you cant keep up a conversation with people whom know what they are talking about, its best to quit while you are behind. Toodles, going to volunteer with an indigenous rights organization, feed some homeless folks, and take my son hiking. Whats on your plate? The Rumba? Juuuuuust kidding! I love dance. Again, I say read some books that are outside of your comfort zone, you might just learn something.

  68. Mo Morgan

    Diane Linn Allen -obviously you've had your head buried deep in the sand and dont realize that corporations buy lobbyists by the dozen. Corporatist BS.

  69. Matthew Fitzgerald

    Jessica Beck Since you love Jesus so much, if you follow everything Jesus taught, then you are a socialist. Jesus was the same man who said the rich would have a harder time getting into heaven than the poor. He also taught that the rich should help the poor, which they do not, they squander all the money for themselves. Very few of the 1% help the poor. Bill Gates is an exception, he even said the rich should pay more taxes.

  70. Diane Linn Allen

    Most law abiding Americans have no time for protests. There are other ways of achieving the same end without civil disobedience or protesters infringing on others rights.

  71. Jessica Beck

    I recognize the hypocrisies in my own beliefs, thank you.
    While I know what my beliefs are, they don't always fit together – I am a paradox, like most others.

    But, while I believe in morals, I think they have no place in government. That's why I'm a libertarian. I believe in the government, and other people, staying the hell out of my way.

    And I'll go ahead and call myself a selfish, racist, asswipe – just to save you or anyone else the time.

  72. Matthew Fitzgerald

    Jessica Beck You admit to being a hypocrite and selfish, which means you are a cunt. Just an observation. You still haven't answered why you believe people have a right to squander money while people die of starvation?

  73. Jessica Beck

    Yes I did – because the money is theirs. I'm not saying they should – I'm saying it is their legal right and should stay that way – morals aren't something that should be imposed.

  74. Jessica Beck

    Although – if they're protesting loudly and in my way, I won't hesitate to mow them down – or cheer on mass uses of pepper spray.

  75. Margie Cherena

    If they should be fired or not will not solved what happened, but whatever decision is made will affect future protesters and actions from the people and from the officials. I believe if there are protesters it is because they got tired of doing it quietly with phone calls, memos, letters and endorsement. Sometimes protesters are a necessary evil to solve problems.

  76. Terri Stewart

    Really, the tragedy isn't that the students were pepper-sprayed or that the police used force. The tragedy is that they are being pitted against each other while the people responsible for the entire movement sit behind closed doors–comfortable and warm. Unaffected by the tragedy that happens when faceless police confront faceless students. The ones that should be held accountable are far removed from this reality.

  77. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan Since you mentioned it FYI my reading comprehension was tested at a college level long before I left elementary school, to help you out though I am explaining the rationale not excusing the police officers actions. I find your statement about grasping at straws not only laughable, but a severe case of projection. Ad hominem attacks, straw men, appeals to emotion, you used so many logical fallacies I could not count them all, including trying Reductio ad Hitlerum.
    I used your own words which I will quote again " legal/illegal argument hold no weight when CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is being used. Its the purposeful breaking of the law because you disagree with other laws." and took it to an extreme conclusion, they are however YOUR OWN WORDS. Where do you draw the line then is it only misdemeanors and some felonies that are okay to break if you want to protest?
    Passive aggression is still aggression but is dishonest in its approach. The protesters did initiate force, they denied the safety and freedom of the public to access to public areas; the University was legal obligated to inform the police and the police were legally obligated to remove the protesters from the pathway. If the protesters had instead sat along the path allowing others to pass freely through them then they would have the legal right to do so. Instead the protesters denied others their rights committing an assault to the public at large and police responded in a cool calm manner that would result in the least injuries to all parties.

  78. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Diane Linn Allen not all of us from Cali are totally lost. Some of us are stubborn enough and have hope to reclaim this once great state from the morass of ignorance it has become. It may be a Sysphean task but we will still try to hold the line here.

  79. Linda Sanders Spriggle

    Sorry Joseph That was just plain abuse it was a peaceful demonstration I thought that was aloud in the USA. May be they were blocking the street did any one ask why? By the way I was married to a cop for years and I know he would of handled the situation differently. It was not necessary to hurt all the students one was going to have a baby. There are know excuses for the way the officer acted or the one that joined him.

  80. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan LOL telling others they can't argue that is hilarious. Mo you have committed almost every logical fallacy that is listed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Sir I am amazed and stand stupefied in your dedication to your incredible accomplishment. I think however if you were to quote Micheal Moore or George Soros you would be able to get the appeals to wealth and authority out of the way you might be able to get the full slate.

  81. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Jessica Beck You are right it is their money and they should have the full say in what to do with it. 80% of the millionaires in the U.S. are first generation, they got their wealth through hard work and dedication. Some did find that it much cheaper to buy a congress person than to do what is right, but the occupiers are taking the exact approach that those people want, increase the size and scope of government so it is even easier to keep people down and even cheaper to buy the congressmen.

  82. Mitchell Garcia

    Mo Morgan Actually, the companies my wife and I own are in the 3rd world, so we totally CAN beat our employees if we want to, as well as torture their families/have them shot if they displease my autocratic whims. You sound jealous because it seems like I've accomplished more than you at the age of 25 than you have at the age of 29. You're also making alot of assumptions base on the fact that I made fun of somebody confusing marital with martial and the fact that FB puts a title next to my name that I didn't know about. So you still sound like a jealous tool.

  83. Sam Owens

    Larry Jansen No you see, it's that right there that's the problem. Your ignorance and stupidity. I do read and educated myself, which is how I know better and you don't. So let me make this abundantly clear. I don't care if it was your grandfather who fought socialist Nazis, I don't give a crap if it was your Republican congressman who had a diatribe of conservative horse shit to spew from their mouth about socialism in Europe, nor do I give a rat's ass if it was the lying gasbag of an asshole Fox News anchor that may have had something to say on your tv about socialism in America; whatever the cause was for your current paranoid phobia of socialism, it does not excuse your laughably poor understanding of these Occupy Movements or their message of equality in the US. This never was, nor ever will be, an advocation for a new socialist economy. It has been, and always will be, an advocation for the reformation of our capitalist system into something fair and just. Until that day comes, our system will continue to corrode America's democracy into a plutocracy, continue to corrode our capitalism into a plutonomy, and will continue to rob 99% of Americans of the opportunity to succeed, instead spitting in the face of the American Dream that you believe still lives. Understand now, that you are aiding in this destruction; are you satisfied with the side you've chosen? Or are you going to be an American patriot and join our cause before it's too late?

  84. Randy Morris

    We are not on the fringe of martial law. We have been under martial law for at least 10 years. Please…..stop worshiping the textile and myth…..turn Lee Grreenwood down or off long enough to realize that your country does not love you back in the sick way some of you love and trust it. This is the shocking reality and harsh wake up some of you are experiencing after living with and hypnotized by Apple Pie fantasies for so long.

  85. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – thats hilarious that you'd look to wikipedia to try to attack me. Truly a testament to your level of intelligence. And then you go on to provide no substance to back up your claims, then you throw something out about Soros and Moore. Wow. As many others on here have suggested, turn off FOX "news" for a bit and you might manage to squeak out a thought that is your own.
    I've seen the most disgusting apologies come out of your brain into text on this comment area that it really makes me wonder if you are that jingoistic. You must be. And to boot, you go and try to bandwagon with your intellectual equal, a 20 year old dance instructor who says she is a libertarian when her comments point elsewhere. Typical "I want small government" BS (no, what you want is larger government in the areas that agree with your agendas. You are so transparent that its laughable!)

  86. Jessica Beck

    What I want is the government to leave me alone. And the fact that you have little but my age and profession to discredit me is just sad.

  87. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – sad? How so? Your comments speak multitudes about your lack of character. The statement "I just want my government to leave me alone" speaks to this. And frankly I've never seen such a subservient "Libertarian" in my entire life. You coddle the police, you make excuses for the rich, and obviously indulge in sound-bite politics…which ultimately led to you discrediting yourself. Good job, now CONGA!!!!!!!!!

  88. Jessica Beck

    then use them. not my age or my job.
    In my opinion, the problem with today's government, and society is that too many toes are stepped on, and those who have great ideas are hindered by government hoops.
    And "they can use their money however they want" is hardly an excuse. It's a fact.
    The police are doing their job – if you don't like it, stop paying their salary.
    and in order for me to "discredit" myself, I would have to be accredited in the first place, which, as you well know, I am not.
    I'm just a peon on a free website who may (or may not) be who I claim to be. For all anyone knows I'm a fat old guy in his mom's basement flipping windows between this one and midget porn. And so are you.

  89. Jessica Beck

    The best part is, you have wasted the better part of a Sunday afternoon arguing with a 20 year old highschool dropout who doesn't know which way is up.

  90. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – Where were you 6 years ago? Its pretty interesting that all of the neo-cons (because thats what your opinions lean toward, they are what we call self evident) have come out of the woodworks with their populist rhetoric about "that dern government" conveniently when a Black guy (who actually has been bowing to the right wing his entire presidency, ironically) comes into the white house. Again, you come out with asinine comments like "stop paying their salary" – how much of a short-sighted absolutist can you be? And now you are cherry-picking your OWN statements? Man! get a grip- didnt mommy ever tell you that you cant control how you are interpreted by the world around you? Geez. And your last comment, well, shows the outright lack of anything else tangible that can come out of your "peon" brain. Good, I think I've thrown up enough today. A true Libertarian would say that the cops could have the right to pepperspray, but the people would also have the right to do the same, and to outright get the proverbial "Choppa" out and mow down the cops. Then again, living in a world of silly absolutism (unfortunately many do) – rarely you find anyone whom is humble enough to admit that there is no set-in-stone system that works, and we need to take another look at vertically structured socioeconomic societies. Because a lot of the world out there right now (Dubai anyone?) thinks that its just "tits" to be like America, and they want to enjoy the ridiculous (NON SUSTAINABLE) orgy of wealth and quality of life that America had for 70+ years. The thing is, that not everone can be rich in a Capitalist society, it REQUIRES the exploitation of others in order to gain massive amounts of wealth. REQUIRES.

  91. Jessica Beck

    where was i 6 years ago?…14 – I'm guessing, the mall.
    And as I said, I don't vote – so you don't have to worry about it.
    I know capitalism requires the exploitation of others – that's what's great about it. It allows for it.
    Freedom is a beautiful thing.

  92. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – you said it. I actually had a nice workout, went out with my son on a hike. Also volunteered a couple hours down the street. Even helped this band I saw last night push their van onto a trailer because it had broken down. So, the best part is that you made yourself look a fool and you are too stubborn to admit that you (whoever you are) were completely, utterly, smashed. Yes, I'll say it. Again and again. And in about an hour and a half I go to the Orpheum to see "Exhumed" (look it up, that'll give you something to do) with my friends. I wont stand down nor not reply to propagandists (paid or not) like you, its simply really hilarious to see you struggle like a bug in a radiator

  93. Mo Morgan

    Jessica Beck – you seem to be a very confused person. Murder, rape, and torture of children in terrible working conditions is ok, huh? The outsourcing of all of our jobs to countries that allow this is ok huh? And dont blame regulation, any Moral, sensible company would rather close up shop due to over-regulation than ship jobs overseas so they can afford a gold-plated mercedes rather than the silver-plated one. Jessica Beck, are you perhaps related to Glenn?

  94. Lee Nichols

    The pepper spray should be used as defensive tool, and not an aggressive tool. The protestors where not being aggressive and he used a weapon on them for no reason!!!

  95. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan Since you mentioned it FYI my reading comprehension was tested at a college level long before I left elementary school, to help you out though I am explaining the rationale not excusing the police officers actions. I find your statement about grasping at straws not only laughable, but a severe case of projection. Ad hominem attacks, straw men, appeals to emotion, you used so many logical fallacies I could not count them all, including trying Reductio ad Hitlerum.
    I used your own words which I will quote again " legal/illegal argument hold no weight when CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is being used. Its the purposeful breaking of the law because you disagree with other laws." and took it to an extreme conclusion, they are however YOUR OWN WORDS. Where do you draw the line then is it only misdemeanors and some felonies that are okay to break if you want to protest?
    Passive aggression is still aggression but is dishonest in its approach. The protesters did initiate force, they denied the safety and freedom of the public to access to public areas; the University was legal obligated to inform the police and the police were legally obligated to remove the protesters from the pathway. If the protesters had instead sat along the path allowing others to pass freely through them then they would have the legal right to do so. Instead the protesters denied others their rights committing an assault to the public at large and police responded in a cool calm manner that would result in the least injuries to all parties

  96. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – You sound like a lot of sociopaths I've met. "FYI my reading comprehension was tested at a college level long before I left elementary school" – yeah. Proof? And taking 6 hours to put together a weak reply that tries in vain to sound cerebral is pretty silly. You also further expose yourself (because you are now attempting to detract from the fact that you are a balls-coddling-card-carrying member of some law enforcement agency…Campus Security? lol) as just another scummy neo-con that'd rather live in a fascist police state where people cant peaceably protest their government than in a society that is free to express itself. Your statement "Instead the protesters denied others their rights committing an assault to the public at large" is absolutely insane. And those that want to cherry-pick incidents of violence perpetrated by the 99%, they expose themselves for their agenda by ringing their bell and shining their spotlights on a statistically normal occurrence, and then make excuses for those that are tasked to protect us (whom are held to a higher standard) when they engage in state-sponsored brutality.

    Save the dime-store psychoanalysis for your wife/husband/cat/whatever- they really hold no real-world weight and trying to frame or otherwise hijack my words and/or purpose is pretty fruitless, especially when the person you are attempting to attack is happy to lean back and let out a gut laugh at your pseudo-intellectual disaster of a paragraph…

  97. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan I used wikipedia as it is an easy to find source that removed from politics is relatively reliable place to begin research. I did not want to strain your intellectual prowess, but to begin your logical arguments are a string of red herring fallacies; straw man, ad hominem, judgmental language, and several of the appeal to emotion you consistently attack the messenger since you can not argue against the message.
    BASED on YOUR OWN WORDS which I quoted that it is okay if laws are broken I used an example some would call an absurdium to show how your logic is entirely faulty and you reply with an attack on my intelligence and do not respond with which other laws it is okay to break if you don't like and want to protest a law.
    Frankly I am flabbergasted because I have not attacked you I have attacked your failure to provide a reasonable argument yet you continue to denigrate other poster's lives and occupations, yet you claim moral superiority based on the life you have lived and choices you made, that is not a valid argument.

  98. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – Oh, and if you could read advanced calculus books when you were in 3rd grade, whats the deal with your spelling and punctuation? Normally I don't really care, because it's all about getting a point across and not nitpicking (which by the way you've done your share, and detracted from my point that you are an apologist for the police state). So, whats up, boy genius? I'll check back later, going out. And besides, I know it takes you awhile to do some googling and wikipedia'ing to gather some more pseudo-intellectual babble to attempt to one-up me again. Wink.

    And to address your other statement/question "Where do you draw the line then is it only misdemeanors and some felonies that are okay to break if you want to protest?"

    Where do I? Well, its definitely a fluid situation. Read a little of the history of protest/direct action/etc and you might learn that each situation has its own context and written/unwritten rules of engagement. I just see gross abuse of power and it disgusts me. I think that a slew of tactics are always needed within effective movements. Thats what I think. But, your question really begs more, doesn't it? You dont really care about an answer, you are stuck in the absolutist bubble, that little world where "EVERYTHING MUST HAVE A RULE, EVERYTHING MUST BE ABSOLUTE" – and until you come out of that fantasy world, theres really no arguing with you.

    And since you likely disagree with anti-capitalist thought, any explanation or opinion on protesting a FAILED economic model would just sound asinine in your ears. You have the blinders on. And again, this is why its fruitless to argue with people like you. So, say what you must, but I'm not wasting any more time with you, you are one of those people who DESERVE to be a slave.

  99. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Matthew Fitzgerald actually they were breaking many laws. Stopping access along public pathways infringes on others rights to access the area. Universities must especially abide by the disability access laws. The protesters blocking the pathway was no different than those actions taken by the anti-segregationists trying to stop Ruby Bridge from going to school.

  100. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – there you go again- repeating what you said above. And look at you, so sweet. Coming to the rescue of the fellow compatriot cop-lover. Moral superiority? How did I claim that exactly? Yet again trying to hijack my words and purpose. And you claim my "argument" (??) isn't "valid" – wow, I didnt know you were the AUTHENTICATOR GENERAL here. Gee. Quaint. You claimed your reading comprehension was "above college level" "Long before you got out of elementary school" – you are a liar and a complete pseudo-intellectual troll. Spare me your dime-store psychoanalysis- I'm sure you've already driven everyone close to you away in your life with that psycho-babble. Took you awhile…had to "look up em' big werds" on the internet, eh?

  101. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – making more excuses for the cops. Cant wait until they are knocking your door down so i can go on the internet and make fun of you and make up stuff to justify why they beat and maced you. Just look at you! Law this, Law that. You are stuck in a fantasy world where big change in government needs to be clean and sanitary, that "NO LAWS MUST BE BROKEN" – man, how do you stand yourself?

  102. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan All you have posted is an angry rant, again you accuse me of working for law enforcement which is false, insult my intelligence, and my character. As for my spelling I do use some Latin words and they don't show up in your spell check but they are correctly spelled. Punctuation wise the use of a semicolon is to show relation between sentences this might be close to your level. http://theoatmeal.com/comics/semicolon As to why it took me so long to reply, it finally stopped raining and it turned into a nice afternoon and I went out which I will shortly do again. I ask quite sincerely can you and will you actually post a reply that is not insulting to others?
    I do not like crony capitalism which our system has become because of government overreach and hyper-regulation. I work in protests to bring about the change we need to restore our republic to the system of government and capitalism that made our country great. You can see the greatness of capitalism every time you go to the grocery store; go down the bread aisle and look at all the choices this is what capitalism has provided you. Well besides cell phones, electric razors, computers, and all the other electric doodads. I refuse to be anyone's slave that is why fight against socialism and overspending that will put not only myself and future generations into economic bondage.

  103. Sam Owens

    Larry Jansen No you see, it's that right there that's the problem. Your ignorance and stupidity. I do read and educated myself, which is how I know better and you don't. So let me make this abundantly clear. I don't care if it was your grandfather who fought socialist Nazis, I don't give a crap if it was your Republican congressman who had a diatribe of conservative horse shit to spew from their mouth about socialism in Europe, nor do I give a rat's ass if it was the lying gasbag of an asshole Fox News anchor that may have had something to say on your tv about socialism in America; whatever the cause was for your current paranoid phobia of socialism, it does not excuse your laughably poor understanding of these Occupy Movements or their message of equality in the US. This never was, nor ever will be, an advocation for a new socialist economy. It has been, and always will be, an advocation for the reformation of our capitalist system into something fair and just. Until that day comes, our system will continue to corrode America's democracy into a plutocracy, continue to corrode our capitalism into a plutonomy, and will continue to rob 99% of Americans of the opportunity to succeed, instead spitting in the face of the American Dream that you believe still lives. Understand now, that you are aiding in this destruction; are you satisfied with the side you've chosen? Or are you going to be an American patriot and join our cause before it's too late?

  104. Seussi Bright

    Diane Linn Allen – How are these people infringing on other people's rights?

  105. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan unlike the written/unwritten rules of acceptable protest you alone have access to inside your head there are actually rules to debate in a civil society it's not that hard to find. By citing your experience in multiple countries and being homeless you made that claim, i.e. that you are an authority on such subjects and an appeal to poor. I have not disputed that claim because like my claim of higher reading comprehension that is reasonable claim and is difficult to affirm or refute, however my claim was brought up in a specific response to rebut your ad hominem attack. Now again you attack me personally as you seem unable or unwilling to rebut my argument.

  106. Seussi Bright

    Diane Linn Allen – Pick up your constitution; if you don't have your own copy I'm sure you can buy one on Amazon or elsewhere. You know nothing about me so please don't accuse me of being left wing. I own no TV set and I check my sources, thanks. I'm not waltzing around pointing torches at people and shouting "OMG SOCIALIST!" every time someone says something that slightly questions my own opinions and truths. The TRUTH IS that people can't find work and an extreme minority of this nation is holding the overwhelming majority of the wealth.. look back in history and see how many times THAT has worked out.. you may come across a few surprises. These people, as well as myself, are trying to open people's eyes. We cannot live like this. You think it's bad now? Wait until the EBT and WIC programs are cut. Wait until people no longer have access to at LEAST the opportunity to rise above poverty.. you know, by continuing to cut education funding. You don't haven't seen violence until you take away people's food. The greatest empire in human history fell when it failed to either feed it's people or provide people with the opportunity to feed themselves. We're trying to avoid this situation. We're protesting NOW. I'm honestly scared to see what may come of this PEACEFUL protest if people like you keep ignoring the reality of the situation.

  107. Seussi Bright

    Diane Linn Allen – So.. we're not law abiding if we're protesting? That's backwards but ok. And I do what I can, I am a student who is pulling overtime credits, and I still show up at the protest here in San Diego every opportunity that I get. What you are insinuating seems almost "caste" ish. Let me tell you what I've told many others- peaceful protests are our right. If you don't like it, leave the country. There are several places in this world where making sure you're not stepped on isn't permitted.

  108. Larry Jansen

    Ana Garcia Evidently if the university called in the police, they were doing something wrong, and no I do not know all of the facts, but unless you were there you don't either, I fought for our country so that you could all protest as did my two sons, so protest all you want. Just don't try to change the laws and make your own as you go. Now the OWS want to print their own money, come on people get a life!

  109. Mo Morgan

    Larry Jansen – really? You engage in civil disobedience? I thought that was Un-American, as far as you were concerned. You are delusional buddy

  110. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – Me alone? Wrong again. You are just an apologist for the police state that spouts talking points from far-right extremist websites. And the notion you say that you could read at an above-college level "long before you were out of elementary school" – points to you being extremely delusional. I bet you were "Long-range recon" and "special forces" too? I bet you also think those late-night AM radio stations report facts instead of tin-foil conspiracy BS. Again, your responses are evident that you have an agenda for making excuses for heavy-handed tactics. You alluded that you were somehow "trained" and that further proves my notion that you are just a pathetic apologist for the police state.

  111. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – ooooooo Joe boy bringing a lot to the table there. Nice try at detracting from the topic, which you've done. I guess when you are backed into a corner, all you can try to do it nitpick. Google must be your best friend (literally).

  112. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – and your persistence is very very telling about your AGENDA. You also just try to detract from the topic with nonsensical BS about grammar. Your sad attempts at one-upping and your pathetic lies about "I could read at an above-college level long before I was out of elementary school" just show that you are a very lonely, possibly schizophrenic person. And there you go, defending a failed economic system because in your eyes, it "works" (yeah, works for the 1%). Latin words, what the…? Man, get your head checked. Your talking points are right out of the Rush/Beck playbook and you aren't fooling anyone but yourself. Congrats.

  113. Mo Morgan

    Joey Fitz has shown her/himself to be an apologist for actions like these. When someone comes online to vigorously defend state-sponsored violence against its own citizens, you'd think that dissent and holding the criminals accountable would be the American thing to do. But nope, Joey here has gone all lengths to make excuses, justifications, and then outright detracted from the issue once all of his/her points were beaten to pulp by sensible logic that states police should be there to protect, not harm non-violent demonstrators. Alas, when you are dealing with propagandists for the police state, you might as well be talking to a brick wall. If you support police brutality like this, you may not be so happy when they finally come for you. Don't think they will? Just sit back on your arse (shouldn't be too hard for the already apathetic) and wait.

  114. Chriss Hester

    what a weak ass officer to react this way. does your dick feel any bigger? if he had any balls to begin with, he'd have been sitting at some Occupy camp somewhere. What if those were his kids? or HIS son was peacefully demonstrating? They should both be fired. Occupy is taking over no matter what. So let them have their last pittiful control of the nation. And they are pittiful!

  115. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan no it points to me being really intelligent, and again I point out that I brought it up only to refute your angry attack. Since you have so much interest in my personal life I will tell you I was in the U.S. Army for eight years as a communications specialist. I was not special forces but I did serve with some in Gardez, Afghanistan at the first Provincial Reconstruction Team and six months hanging out with some in a place where you live in an old goat stable and have no showers, until you can find enough wood to build some, you have the chance to talk and pick up some knowledge. On my return I moved units and was deployed to Iraq for a year, I spent a month being an auxiliary to a temporary detention facility and everyone got training there as well. The MPs I were with were very professional and understood that not everyone was guilty.

    In real life unlike the movies when people start throwing punches and rolling around some one is getting hurt and it can be life threatening serious or lead to debilitating injuries. The only proper response is such overwhelming force that the other person stops fighting. You can see this in the techniques in dealing with severely autistic children when they get upset you grab them up in a hug and hold them tight until they calm down, if you let them flail around they will end up hurting themselves and anyone trying to calm them down.

    After they removed the protesters from the walking path, OMG the horror they visited upon was so reminiscent of a police state were they shipped to Siberia, shoved feet first into wood chippers, shoot dead in the street, beat to death in the street, beat and tortured in massive prisons, umm no they were cited and released and they had to go home and shower. Pepper spray hurts a lot the effects however are not long lasting that is why it's use is sooner in the police escalation of force than physical force.

    NONE of your vitriolic rants attacking myself and others have changed the fundamental issue "Were the police wrong to use pepper spray?". My answer is no they were not. The protesters were illegally blocking the path in violation of equal access state and federal laws. If they had sat along side the path they would have been good, as long as there was disabled access. The University did what was required of them and called the police. The police attempted to use verbal commands to get them to leave the path they refused and the police used the safest and most effective way to clear the protesters. If you watch the eight minute video you can see that they were solely concerned with opening up the path and ignored those on the far wings and after they had cleared the path they deescalate by moving off. They then took the miscreants to jail and cited and released. I don't see that they did anything wrong, in the future maybe the protesters will respect other peoples rights enough to work within the law.

    I await your next scathing remarks impugning my life and character since sadly that is all you seem to have, why do you have so much hate? Where is the love?

  116. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan you were the one who brought up my reading skills, spelling, punctuation, and intelligence I have only replied to these patently false statements with facts. I am not talking about any ones playbook and being unemployed while I finish my degree I am not being payed by anyone. I do find it fascinating how you project these delusional fantasies about me you have a very fetid imagination, either that or you have received a similar diagnosis in your own life, which coupled with your angry rants would indicate you have and are currently not taking your medication.

    My only agenda was to counteract the emotional responses with real facts about the legality and safety of the actions to disperse an unruly mob, there is an eight minute video that puts this action into much better context.The police were very professional in dealing with some spoiled brats who wanted to get their way and didn't care about anybody else.

  117. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – quack quack quack. I'm not even reading your replies at this time, as you've solidified yourself as a troll with going on tangents and (poorly) attempting to psycho-analyze random people on the internet. You've shown who you are- for the police state- and anything and everything else is irrelevant.

  118. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – bad people serve in the military as well, just because you say you were, even if you actually were, doesn't mean the military is devoid of bad apples. This man has clearly made himself out to be someone JUST like you, Joseph, cheering on America's descent into a Corporatist Autocracy. You only said that to just counter me, further proving my theory that you are a sociopath

  119. Mo Morgan

    Joseph Fitzpatrick – bwaaaaahahaha. you ADORE Miley Cyrus, huh?! And you have FOX NEWS on your FB Page. WOW!!! This conversation is over. You are just a FOX DRONE. Hah! Spoon-fed your programming every day. I should have known! There goes about an hour of my life I'll never get back. Creep who digs Miley and likes FOX "News" so much he puts it on his Facebook. *shudder*

  120. Joseph Fitzpatrick

    Mo Morgan ROFLMAO
    Really you mean you read my post since you are referring to things in it and want to disguise the facts that when presented with facts and every time I tried to get you to actually address the issue you can only respond with angry rants and character attacks.
    Luckily this internet thing keeps you from rewriting history, except in your own mind, so anyone who cares to read this thread can see how patently false and pathetic are your reasoning skills.

  121. Diane Linn Allen

    Seussi Bright You my dear can kiss my ass. I am a decorated war veteran and born here. Show some damn respect. Thi9s is what I mean dear heart. If you cannot speak with respect then shut up. You're just protesting to be belligerent. If you were protesting and in my way I would not walk around you I assure you. Try lobbying…. You'll get farther. Petitions are good and contacting your congressmen and senators and oh yeah,voting. Get a life. I say good for the cops if this is the disrespect they encountered.

  122. Seussi Bright

    Excuse me? Wow little miss holier than thou, step right up and make a fool of yourself! lol You do not know me, and I do not appreciate your blatant disrespect to me, not one bit. I am being civil to you and simply expressing an opinion Miss War Veteran. I'm protesting to be belligerent? Oh and I suppose you can read minds now too? You know nothing about me, nor do you know why, so please remove your foot from your mouth and stop being so presumptuous. I don't care who you are, who you were, who you THINK you are, but YOU need to have a little respect yourself. I did vote. I do write my congressmen, I do sign petitions, and I fight back toward ignoramus morons such as yourself. Don't poke at the water then when you get bothered hop in throwing your weight around. I don't care who you are or what you've done, YOU are the only one acting like an ass here, thankyouverymuch. I may not be in the military but by WORKING and paying my TAXES (regardless of whether or not I agree with where they are going) in one way or another I am fighting as well, so keep your little attitude to yourself, no one cares. Grow up. Thanks for the giggle by the way.

  123. The Sting

    Stephen, perhaps you should volunteer as a test subject when they create that more "potent" pepper spray. Hopefully the spice will jump-start your brain.

  124. Laura Luster

    Mo, with your reasoning is it okay for me to block the way into an abortion clinic and stop women from going in and killign their babies? I would be breaking the law but to save lives.