Presidential Polls Show ‘Gallup Against The World,’ Nate Silver Observes, Romney Win Unlikely
Presidential polls are a hot, hot topic in the news right now as interested voters try to gauge their candidate’s success via polling — but whether Obama leads or Romney is gaining traction will depend on which polling entity is supplying your numbers.
Presidential polls are only one (very stark) example of our currently divided media, with outlets presenting a narrative based on their party of preference. Earlier on in the race, when polls showed a clear Obama lead, many conservative outlets outright rejected the polls, saying that “skewed polling” by a “liberal media” that was “in the tank for Obama” had sullied the data.
As of today (October 19), New York Times polling blog FiveThirtyEight is forecasting a still solid lead for President Obama over Mitt Romney, projecting that the incumbent candidate will earn 291.6 electoral votes to Romney’s predicted 246.4. Silver pegs Obama at a 70.4 percent chance of winning over Romney’s projected chance of 29.6 percent, in line with projections from other major polling outlets predicting an Obama win in November.
Silver, who stopped by The Daily Show the night prior to Obama to discuss his work on FiveThirtyEight for the New York Times (and wryly apologized to the President for having to follow his appearance on the show), has addressed the break Gallup has made from other polls in projecting a Romney win, saying:
“The Gallup national tracking poll now shows a very strong lead for Mitt Romney. As of Wednesday, he was ahead by six points among likely voters. Mr. Romney’s advantage grew further, to seven points, when Gallup updated its numbers on Thursday afternoon.”
Silver adds that Gallup is included in the model along with other major polls, and continues:
“However, its results are deeply inconsistent with the results that other polling firms are showing in the presidential race, and the Gallup poll has a history of performing very poorly when that is the case.”
Silver goes on to explain how presidential polls like his and Gallup make their prognostications, but he says that when an outlet like Gallup breaks from the rest, chances are good their predictions won’t bear out:
“Usually, when a poll is an outlier relative to the consensus, its results turn out badly … You do not need to look any further than Gallup’s track record over the past two election cycles to find a demonstration of this.”
Silver concludes:
“It’s much more likely that Gallup is wrong and everyone else is right than the other way around.”
What do you think about the presidential polls disparity seen in major outlets?
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Posted: October 19, 2012
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Oct 19, 2012
I don't believe your polls…We have been bombarded with political calls no one answers the phone if they have caller ID and who doesn't…..you probaby could just make an educated guess and be just as close…
Oct 19, 2012
I think Obama is done despite the media desperately trying to get him re-elected. This isn't 2008.
Oct 19, 2012
what a blather article… how did I get directed here…. Dude Romney is pulling away as the administration is wilting under duress…..
Oct 19, 2012
The person commenting on the polls and/or Presidential election should be required to declare whom they plan to vote for. Professional neutraility is now a myth.
Oct 19, 2012
I think these polls aren't asking a huge bulk of people that have dropped from middle to lower class the last 4 years. Those that have a problem with a straight man that says he believes in gay marriage? Get real, President Obama has sold his soul to satan to be president again?
Oct 19, 2012
NO ONE can trust the NY Times on anything. Romney will win regardless of the spin here. No rational people want a dictatorship to remain in power…we have seen what a destructive force the last four years have been.
Oct 19, 2012
I don't think there are enough stupid, ignorant, racist haters out there to elect the lying, tax cheat Romney. But I could be wrong.
Oct 19, 2012
This comment is false.
Oct 19, 2012
If that isn't a loaded, hate ridden comment. It is that attitude that has gotten this country in the mess its in. That if you don't believe in what I believe in then you are a "stupid, ignorant, racist haters" that lies and cheats on your taxes.
Oct 19, 2012
If Obama wins (and I hope he does), then everyone who hates him has to shut up about his birth certificate, that he's Christian and not a muslim and he's not a socialist nor a Communist. I want everyone who thinks that he is a socialist or Communist to take a good look at themselves and look at your life in reality and tell me how your life has changed that Socialism or Communism has is an integral part of your life. Be honest with yourselves. I can easily say that my life does not show any signs of Socialism or Communism is affecting my life whatsoever. I bet yours hasn't been either. So get real people.
Oct 19, 2012
give it 4 more years = hope you are right but guessing you are wrong!
Oct 19, 2012
You don't have to agree with me, but it won't change the fact that he is a lying, tax cheat. If you continue to vote for the party that has never done anything for you, it does call your intelligence level into question. And take the ignorant and racist votes away and there would never be another Republican elected. Sorry if the truth offends.
Oct 19, 2012
You're pretty ignorant to think people who vote Romney are all racist. That's an attitude that sets this country back, not forward, isn't that what Obama's motto is? Forward? Not Backwards? Move on and quit being hateful and filled with racism. This vote is about what is best for each person's interest. It's nothing personal for me against democrats or liberals or anyone who doesn't agree with my opinion. I'm just voting to defend my life and my rights, as well as you are. It's nothing racist for me, but certainly it is for you. I feel sorry for you, I truly do.
Follow your Presidential candidate, follow his Motto that you believe in. Forward, so quit thinking we're in the Civil war era. Yes there is discrimination and yes there are racist voters on both sides, but for you to call me a racist? No thank you, false. I have many democratic and liberal friends who are not racist and republican and independent friends. So don't think everyone is racist.
Remember, move on forward like your President tells you, you believe in it right? his motto? Isn't that why you vote for him? Because you believe in him? or is it just racial?
Hmm.
Oct 19, 2012
Below are the 10 battleground states that will determine the election. Romney will need to win MOST of these to get to 270 electoral votes to win the presidency.
Florida = Elec Votes: 29 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 57.0% chance of Obama win.
Ohio = Elec Votes: 18 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 73.5% chance of Obama win.
Virginia = E Votes 13 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 68.4% chance of Obama win.
North Carolina = EVs 15 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 74.8% chance of Romney win.
Colorado = EVs 9 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 61.5% chance of Obama win.
Iowa = EVs 6 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 70.5% chance of Obama win.
Nevada = EVs 6 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 82.9% chance of Obama win.
Wisconsin = EVs 10 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 82.5% chance of Obama win.
Michigan = EVs 16 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 94.6% chance of Obama win.
Pennsylvania = EVs 20 Nate Silver Probability Analysis: 92.8% chance of Obama win.
Now before my Republican neophyte friends out their bash Nate Silver for being some no nothing liberal propaganda pusher you should know a few things about him and you should research him.
He is pretty widely considered to be a genius at probability analysis. I would post his Bio, but why bother. You are going to bash him with vitriol in any case. And if you have any intellect at all you can research him for yourself.
Democrats: The only thing that could screw up this election for you is that you do not “take some responsibility for your lives” (as Mitt Romney would say), and go out to VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!
Keep the GOP from tanking the economy, your pensions, your 401ks. your home values, and your retirement plans all over again, while reaping obscene CEO Golden Parachute retirement severance packages AFTER tanking their own company earnings. Only insane people continue to repeat the same self destructive voting practices and expect a different result the next time.
Oct 19, 2012
tax cheaters: Remember 4 years ago, Obama did not even find someone who could do his own tax correctly. You want to elect obama who could not even tell the truth about 4 killed ammabassadors. What a respect for the 4 families! 3 years ago, they wanted to remove the word "terrorist" from our vocabulary just to not upset other countries. I think this president bowed too much, the blood still did not go back to his brain. His idea about the rich that they do not deserve anything is so weak! Romney religion welcomes everybody. A black can not be the priest but it is not different than other religion rules. He did not write his religion, he heritates values from his fathers. Strange religion if you look at the story, but not as bizare and brain washing like scientology. Obama should loose the election because his choices of nominees and just few things that upset people. The idea to tax more some rich has worked in Canada in the past but the message to the rich was not to upset them. if he looses his election then I can tell you that it is just because he attacked the rich instead of selling a message to the rich to be patriot to save the country from a financial burden that both parties are guilty for.
Oct 19, 2012
I think that so long as Monday Night's debate is not as bad as the first debate for Obama, he wins re-election on November 6, 2012. I also think that nearly all of those who had intended to vote for Obama six months ago have not changed their mind, and nor do I think that those who planned to vote against Obama four years ago like much of the congress and the republican party have changed from their committment to vote for any one who ran against the President. My hopes are simple: If President Obama gets re-elected that the republicans in our houses will try to work with him at least a little and not try to move the entire country against him as they have done over the last years. KEJ 101912–1420PM RRPL.
Oct 19, 2012
You said:
"Only insane people continue to repeat the same self destructive voting practices and expect a different result the next time."
So this is directed at those who in '08 voted for our current President?
Oct 19, 2012
Ian Lee is correct that not everyone who will vote for Romney is racist. However, what is apparent this election cycle is that there is a strong and active racist segment in this country and their votes will go to Romney by a very large percentage. Think of all the people who accuse Obama of being Kenyan, Muslim, etc., and those who announce they 'want their country back.' It's almost impossible to view them as anything but racists.
Oct 19, 2012
I also believe that if The Norquist Pledge is not abandoned by the republican party they will lose more and more seats in our houses of government. Bush Sr. asked the question a few months ago, 'Who in the hell is Grover Norquist' and so far I have not heard any of the signers answer his question. Grover Norquist called Bush Sr. a liar and his sons did not retaliate and for this reason I have lost some respect for Jeb and Jr Bush. You have Tagg Romney wanting to 'take a swing at the President for exposing Mitt Romney in debate, while the Bush sons do not attack Grover Norquist for calling their father a liar over the 'read my lips' thing….This is just another indication that the Norquist Pledge and the republican party have gone over-board with their pledges to lobbyists and have failed to stick up for the people of the USA. KEJ 101912–1425pm RRPL.
Oct 19, 2012
Gallup seems to ask broad questions that can be interpreted in nore than one way. Gallup and Rasmussen are two ajor pollers that I take with a grain of salt. Obama wins easily.
Oct 19, 2012
you full a liar.
Oct 19, 2012
repeating,you are not telling the truth.
Oct 19, 2012
William_boulware: And the farmer said of the sheep, "Sheep lie."
Oct 19, 2012
Andy: Want to bet ten thousand on that?
Oct 19, 2012
Brenda: That's what Church Lady thinks on SNL.
Oct 19, 2012
A dictator? President Obama? Have you ever lived in such a governement? They don't let you call them names and such and they would not allow guys like Hank Jr. to say vets hate the President and the President hates Vets.
Oct 19, 2012
dburn628: Facts and statistics will spoil the fun. Many still think Mitt Romney has a chance and they have been so very vigilant in their hatred of the liberal Satans and who seek to destroy the free world for the true Americans…..LOL KEJ 101912–155pm RRPL
Oct 19, 2012
I plan to vote for the President of the USA! President Obama!
Oct 19, 2012
J.h. Thurnher: Who is under-dressed? Not our President of the USA, President Obama!
Oct 19, 2012
strokeroll2000: Good for you! And make all who have said that if Obama is re-elected they will leave the USA…to make good on their promise. They promised four years ago they would leave if Obama was elected and they are still here with the same old bs..KEJ 101912–1600pm RRPL
Oct 19, 2012
National polls are meaningless- the only polls that matter are FLA, Virginia and Ohio- whoever wins 2 out of 3 wins the election.
Oct 19, 2012
I have tried to answer most who I have debated with over the last two years on the social media with respect and even humor….and for those from the right who I have called Koch suckers I apologize…LOL KEJ 101912–1605PM RRPL.
Oct 19, 2012
Brenda keep your religious beliefs OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT. I do NOT push mine on others. Freedom of religion is just that, the freedom to believe as YOU see fit not as the GOVERNMENT sees fit.
Oct 19, 2012
William, this was Kenny's OPINION. Not a LIE ! I mean really !
Oct 19, 2012
And Romney hasn't. His positions change every chance there is a way to possibly get more votes.
Oct 19, 2012
All you Romney voters…Tell me ONE large corporation that has worried about you in the past. Made sure you had a job, didn't downsize to protect their profits! Oil companies make billion dollar profits a QUATER and they have not built a new refinery in 30 years. You were sold sub prime mortgages that the financial companies knew some could not afford to get their profits. Did corporate America care about you when they foreclosed? WAKE UP. Romney's plan to let the free market work to create jobs just makes the rich richer!
Oct 19, 2012
Why does it seem that Obama people are so hateful?
Oct 19, 2012
Kenny yes I will bet $10K that it is not 2008–deal?
Oct 19, 2012
Chris Skidmore EXCUSE ME. It is not "hate ridden" to call a liar, "a liar". Is your point that Romney does lie, but we should all be more solicitous about it? There is no one left other than Lance Priboils who believes Romney is not the biggest liar who ever ran for office. We all saw it with our own eyes live on TV. And when he got caught, did he admit it? Did he apologize to the man he wronged (the President of the United States!!)? NAH. No integrity.
Oct 19, 2012
Ian Lee NO IT IS NOT RACIST. I believe the same. Not one Romney voter I know of can voice an actual policy position, they use code words like "those people" "Wouldn't vote for one of them" restore America, and other racist "We liked the days when white people ruled" adages. The guy you support is a liar, and even you know it. So what is there left to explain you would vote for a liar, chameleon, a ghost, an unknown quantity, over our currently successful President? There is only one explanation (other than "Maybe I a idiot who believes Romneys!!").
Oct 19, 2012
you're covered, I'm taking five of that action.
Oct 19, 2012
sorry, but there are lots of straight men who are wise enough to believe that who you marry is not their business. I am sure its been many years since you were on a college campus, but about 97% of college kids believe that. Got some bad news for you grandma. Gay was the last minority that it was acceptable to publicly hate. Those days are gone. In small part thanks to our beloved President. And no, Brenda; I am both white and straight.
Oct 19, 2012
problem, he is pulling way and leaving you watching his tailights. As he takes off for China. It's an easy Obamam victory, Wolf Blunders will announce it by 8:10 pm PST.
Oct 19, 2012
Glen, there are racist voters on both sides, this country is still racially divided. Why do you think we have such bad immigration problems?
but you know what I won't waste my time on someone who doesn't respect other's personal beliefs. My life is not yours, so don't tell me I'm an idiot for believing in Romney. I believe in some of Obama's opinions, but Romney in the end has a better plan that fits my family and myself better. If I were such an idiot, then why would I vote for Obama when my healthcare is more expensive than it was 4 years ago? Why would I vote for Obama when I can barely even afford health insurance with car insurance together? I can't even drive the car I want, I had to cut back to live within the right financial needs of mine.
I'm just going to let the polls and November 6th do the talking. Every unbiased website I checked Romney is in the lead, so enjoy Obama's last month while you can rather than being so bitter about him losing.
Oct 19, 2012
Why are we debating who will win the Presidency? This is a no brainer. This boils down to electoral votes. Mitt voters have you checked the polls on in the battle ground states. Obamas going to win this one easily. I don't agree with everything the president has done but Mittens scares the hell out of me…lol! This guy is the best professional chameleon I've seen. This is somebody that not even our allies like. This is a guy that would piss off the muslim world and then hide behind his advisors. Mitt is the guy that would push the lil red nuke button that says don't push unless its an immanent threat. He would push the button simply because his presidential ratings slipped…lmaooo! This dude is gaffe central… Seriously Mitt voters I'm not bashing just asking or at least trying to have a lil fun here. Honestly, Why would you want to vote for someone that has 10K gaffes on his campaign? In your mind does it not allude to how he would be as President? I'm just asking….lmaoo.
Oct 19, 2012
The same media you speak of has him Mitt ahead.. Me personally I'd rather pay close attention to the battle ground states cause that is what will determine the election. Unfortunately for Mitt voters its not to promising.
Oct 20, 2012
No the old media are trying to overlook/deny what the polls are saying– that Obama is fading and Romney is ahead. In 2008 Obama ran against an overmatched McCain, not so this time.
Oct 20, 2012
You and the DNC as in (Does Not Compute) are wrong on most things… Romney is a genuine, honest, good man and is completely opposite of what we have witnessed over the last 4 years. PRINT AND SPEND POLICIES, DUMB INVESTMENTS, FAST AND FURIOUS, BENGAZHI, NO BUDGET, OBAMACARE, CONSTANT SPIN, 100+ROUNGS OF GOLF and WOMEN IN THIS ADMINISTRATION MAKING SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN MEN… ALL HIPOCRITS AND DECEPTION… There really isn't anything else to say!!!
Oct 20, 2012
Your right, I,m sure people will vote multiple times in Ohio… Unfortunately, ACORN is busy!
Oct 20, 2012
Socialism does not exist in a truly free wold
Oct 20, 2012
Seriously People, the communism will start in his 2nd term. Wait till the mega inflation hits…
Oct 20, 2012
There is no working with OBAMA… Its his way or the highway… Arrogant and Self Centered
Oct 20, 2012
Dont be a drone… research it dude… He's a bad person
Oct 20, 2012
Romney is so sleezy I wouldn't buy a used car from him. His positions are readical, no one knows what his tax paln is, it is probably heavy loaded with more tax breaks for tehfilthy rich and guess who gets to pay for if you said the middle calss and the poor you win. His foreogn policy advisers 17 of 24 worked for the diasaasteeer named Bush/Cheney, which by the way we aare still paying for.
Oct 20, 2012
its getting to the point that all I have to do is look at the title of an article about the election and if its pro obama or attacking or insulting romney I can say"kimmy wrote that." hOPEY ftw huh kimmy.
Oct 20, 2012
Nine days ago, you berated me for HOURS for publicly commenting about your source. Then you said you didn't mind as long as I told you these things privately, and I agreed to always do that. I don't mind the criticism but I do mind the hypocrisy. Further, we select our topics. I select the ones within my areas of knowledge so as to most accurately write in topics.
I wrote something true and newsworthy, that Gallup polls are diverging from others. I cited a credible source, Nate Silver and the New York Times.
I'm sorry that my articles don't fit your narrative but there is an old heckler line I am thinking of here that I'm not going to say due to the vulgarity.
Again, if I cite a faulty source, please let me know. If I misquote, please let me know. But what I am hearing here is waaaaaah I don't like the news the way it happened. Which is delusional and whiny.
Oct 20, 2012
Gallup has only missed on 2 presidential elections since 1936. guess I'll go with the track record, especially since this article is already being overrun by the newest data.
Oct 20, 2012
The Gallup tracking poll was fine (tracking with most other polls) until they switched it to "likely" from "registered" voters.
Oct 20, 2012
When the Gallup poll was flipped the other way this is pretty much the same story that came from the conservative news feeds. I already read a Liberal article accusing the Gallup poll of being rigged. At the end of the day the final result will be on Election Day.
Oct 20, 2012
Obama did like the numbers Gallup was showing so they do what the do best use the DOJ to strong arm them.http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/06/is-doj-suit-against-gallup-retaliation-for-bad-obama-poll-numbers/
Oct 20, 2012
And Wolff, I suppose those partisan hacks over at Reuters (has anyone even ever HEARD of them?) are drinking the same wacky Kool-Aid I'm drinking, huh? http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/20/us-usa-campaign-gallup-idUSBRE89J02720121020
Oct 20, 2012
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/20/us-usa-campaign-gallup-idUSBRE89J02720121020
Oct 20, 2012
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/20/us-usa-campaign-gallup-idUSBRE89J02720121020
Oct 20, 2012
Dave Burge http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/20/us-usa-campaign-gallup-idUSBRE89J02720121020
Oct 20, 2012
That would be the one I worked for the last 33 years and have now retired. I'm getting a nice pension and a great healthcare package from them for my service. The company employs nearly 450,000 people worldwide.
Oct 20, 2012
Interestingly enough this poll lines up with Michael Berry and Kenneth Bicker, political science professors at the University of Colorado who predict a huge win from Romney and their formula predicted every election since 1980. http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/13223-romney-widens-lead-over-obama-in-electoral-college-cu-professors
Oct 20, 2012
Kim LaCapria – also remember the polls before the 2004 election showed it a dead heat.
Oct 20, 2012
Dave Burge http://xkcd.com/1122/
Oct 20, 2012
U nd 2 regrp…..who sign an agreemnt, while they were all voted n by the peps n suppose 2 b 4 the peps!!!! i wl keep u n prayr
Oct 20, 2012
interesting theory…guess we will see on the 6th.
Oct 20, 2012
Kenny J u sir shud b running 4 election of something….ur the most honest n ur demeanor n communicating is commendable! This is the america i grew up n…thk u sir.
Oct 20, 2012
OK, time for Obama jokes:….But first take a break and Poll this: I do not poll, but I vote.
“President Obama changed his slogan from ‘Yes we can,’ to ‘Yes we cave.’” –Jay Leno…
What does terrorist Bill Ayers think of his friend, Barack Obama? He thinks he’s the bomb.
Why won’t Obama drink Pepsi? He wrote in his book that he prefers Coke.
Obama's approval of bank bailouts:"Have you heard about McDonald’s new Obama Value Meal? Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it."
“President Obama should get a big refund this year because he has a lot of dependents. AIG, Citibank, Morgan Stanley — all dependents.” –Jay Leno.
Q. Why did Obama change his name from Barry to Barack?
A. He thought Barry sounded too American.
Why won’t Obama laugh at himself? He doesn't want to be accused of being a racist.
What happens when Obama mentions his relationship with Saul Alinsky? He turns red.
Leno takes this on and roasts Obama's penchant for unsavory characters. "What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon? A fundraiser."
What did Obama say when his Reverend Jeremiah Wright asked if he was listening during his sermons? “I’m all ears.”.
David Letterman: "What’s the difference between Obama’s Cabinet and a penitentiary? One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers and threats to society. The other is for housing prisoners."
“Over the weekend, President Obama announced that he was running for a second term as president of the United States.
There’s a brand-new campaign slogan — ‘Give me four more years to find my birth certificate.’” —David Letterman.
President Obama’s advisers have been working with him to keep his responses short.
In fact, the only words the president plans on saying are “bin Laden” and “dead.” That’s it. –Conan O’Brien
Oct 20, 2012
Crystal…it is extremely nice of you to believe that Romney is HONEST. He's a man with flaws…not God! I guess "flipping stances" every other day the wind blows in a different direction to appease the votes he needs to win is not considered "dishonesty" to some. But in the real world, whenever he starts flipping stances to most of us…a little white lie always accomodates the stuff that comes out of his mouth. And just to put this into perspective…when Romney made the comment at a Michigan rally in front of thousands of people "No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised"….he knows fully well there are millions of "birthers" out there (mind you ALL voting for him) that honestly believe the absurd notion that our President is not from this country and even worse because of this stupid belief further adds fuel to the already racial division our country endures. There is NOTHING (as you so eloquently stated) "genuine, honest, or good" about him playing that card! Be careful at throwing stones at someone else's glasshouse! Romney is NOT above Obama…he has his own skeletons in his closet!!!
Oct 20, 2012
Good post. You notice that there are quite a few more likes on your post than the Liberal ones. That says a lot on its own.
Oct 20, 2012
Don't be a dumb ass Brenda!! Romney, is satan for all but the 1%!!!
Oct 20, 2012
So what you are saying is that coincidentally Obama received 97% of the Black vote is totally devoid of racism?
Oct 20, 2012
Diana Wright They both have skeletons. I already know what Obama stands for. Division of America. Is Mitt the answer? I don't know, but i will give him a shot. Ron Paul was the best choice, however the main stream media chose to ignore him because he is for the people and not for George Soros and the Koch brothers.
Oct 20, 2012
I haven't found 1 person that voted for McCain that will vote for Obama this election. I have found numerous people that voted for Obama last time that are either not voting at all,voting 3rd party, or have changed allegiance to Romney. I live in Illinois for gods sake.
Oct 20, 2012
Obama has George Soros behind him. you don't get any closer to being Satan than that. Both candidates are doing bidding for the super wealthy. You don't actually think that Obama gets his campaign funds from the middle class or poor? He went to Mexico and Saudi Arabia to raise money as Romney did in England and Israel.
Oct 20, 2012
So Obama did not make the Solyndra executives filthy rich by taking tax payer money and putting it into businesses that all went bankrupt? He took my money and gave it to CEO's that recieved huge severances after these companies purposely failed.
Oct 20, 2012
You can thank Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Clinton, and Obama for the mortgage mess. I believe they are all Democrats if i remember right.
Oct 20, 2012
Clark: Thank you for your kind words.
Oct 20, 2012
Rasham: I think Mitt like so many like him does not really see just how wrong he is for politics. The new-age republican party was sold the idea that business leaders and world leaders were in fact the same skill-set and that being a CEO like Donald Trump or Mitt Romney is preparation enough to make decisions for the entire world and not just a group of stock holders, business partners, church members and lawyers and their been-counters. This reductionist model has taken the recent republican party by storm and then with the influx of MBA's and CPA's and Lawyers running things in our corporations the private sector has gained increased control of power and money…add the Norquist Pledge to protect the Bush Tax cuts from taxing more than say, 14% of the incomes from capital gains and you have power of politics and money owning the playing field….KEJ 102012–1320pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
Scott…I agree that they BOTH have skeletons in their closet, but opposite of you I believe Obama is the better choice just like you have your reasons why you feel Mitt is the answer. My point to Crystal was to point out even just a few of Mitt's flaws since she claimed he was "genuine, honest, and a good man" and made it seem like Obama is the freakin anti-christ. I never claimed that Obama was either of those things, but again, I believe he is the lesser evil of the two…just my preference. If I had it my way, I'd get rid of EVERYONE IN CONGRESS currently…including Mitt since he's not really a part of gov't but running for the highest gov't position. I actually think people on the Hill should only be able to serve 2yrs ONLY then be forced to find real jobs like the rest of us. They should not be able to spend their entire careers on the Hill…too much risk for big business incentives in which direction our country should go. I also believe that we should have equal number of conservatives, liberals, AND definitely independents in both houses….this way, maybe, just maybe they would all truly put OUR "the American people" interest FIRST and get something done on OUR "the American people" behalf…just for once!!! I'm sick and tired of all the bashing and finger-pointing…on both sides of the fence and I'm tired of not having enough "TRUE" independents on the Hill. Just my opinion….
Oct 20, 2012
Andy J: You called my bluff. I am so much a typical liberal where backing up my big mouth with real money is involved….I forgot I was signed in under my real bio name…usually I make my over-the-top bets with the pen name Pirate….He, Pirate must owe people millions over the last two years of big-talk. KEJ 102012–1325pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
Andy: We don't hate as much as we act like we do…and it comes from being hated by many over the last four years for supporting the sitting President of the USA. KEJ 102012–1330pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
Rhonda: I am just hoping for free medical weed and free boner-beans…LOL KEJ 102012–1330pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
Christine: I agree with you but there are many like Chris who have come out of corporate America with some skin left. I was one who was black-balled and sued and drug to court after fighting with my partners and their lawyers and their fancy bean-counters…but then I was among them and i made them money and helped them exploit and run their business based on greed and bottom-line profit. After I attacked them for the last seven years I have realized that I am getting what I desrerve for soldiering for them for twenty five years…I was and still am a great salesman and a good high-tech specialist who has now completed all non-competes and legal problems and I am ready to start businesses and create jobs which is my purpose for my remaining years, or months on the planet…I so want to leave with no enemies but that would involve a lot of being forgiven and a lot of forgiving. KEJ 102012–1337pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
The Monday debate is very important, but the fact remains that most who were going to vote for either guy six months ago has not changed…I am an example for the Obama fan who would vote for him (pretty much) no matter what…But I have had so many fights in business with the new-age republican mentality that I be water-boarded by Cheney and Bachman before I would vote for Mitt Romney or Donald Trump..LOL KEJ 102012–1345pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
Kim LaCapria : Nice job, Kim. Wolff has had the living crap beat out of him whether he knows it or not. Is he a writer or just a cry baby? KEJ 102012–1350pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
I completely agree. The republicans only embrace the polls if it favors their candidate. They're loving Gallup right now but of course all the others that put Obama ahead are just bogus. You tea baggers are such lying hypocrites.
Oct 20, 2012
Rick: So long as Obama at least ties in Monday nights debate I think he will win re-election. My question is this: If President Obama is re-elected will the republicans still try to make him look bad for the next four years as they have in the first four years…I mean when you Pledge to Grover Norquist and every Koch sucker in the world to do anything to make the President of the USA look bad so as to NOT get another term….where do you go with that? It seems sooooo un-American to me…and I'm a Veteran who served from 68-72 with Nixon as Commander and Chief. When Hank Jr. said President Obama hates Veterans and that we should (all–I assume) hate the President of the USA I nearly road-ragged a truck with a rebel flag…Just Kidding and LOL..We must unite or we will perish and do the world no good at all…7 billion of we humans on the planet and 1 billion do not have clean and safe water…to drink! KEJ 102012–1400pm RRPL
Oct 20, 2012
As we draw closer to the Monday Night Debate there are two thing which we may see that Annie Romney promised: 1) 'Everything You People need to see!' and 2) 'Mitt Unzipped!' KEJ 102012–1420PM RRPL.
Oct 20, 2012
Debate, when done well, seeks to dispell illusions which both sides hold, and convert them into shared and agreed upon truths. Open minds must be involved or both sides walk away holding fast to their illusions and although they may exchange one illusion for a more fashionable one, they are still illusions and therefore untrue…That is why if change is not seen as a good thing in the minds of the debaters and their fans…we may as well just have some fun and call each other names and talk about each other's Mammas and ask who their Daddy really is…oh and call them names like libtard, libturd, and commies; or on the other hand call them repubic-hairs, republiklan and Koch suckers. So let's get this out of the way before Monday and look for a meaningful debate where America looks to find our leadership once again and feel the responsibility which we have to help a world of 7 billion humans and the other life which we are entrusted to take care of…KEJ 102012–1435pm RRPL.
Oct 20, 2012
Kenny Jaeger I know plenty of people who have changed their intended vote from 6 months ago in either direction. I also know some undecided voters who are no longer undecided. The final debate is the final chance to sway the undecided vote. Now that it is this close to Election Day, whether a person switched their vote from 6 months ago or not, they will most likely maintain their current choice.
Oct 20, 2012
Your right Andy. this isn't 2008 and I don't see thousands of jobs being lost each month on Obama's term like the previous admin not to mention the Auto Industry. Wall street and Banks going under before they had yo be bailed out.
Oct 20, 2012
LOL @ Glen "easy" Fleetwood…… about as up to date on reality as the Fleetwood Cadillac!
Oct 21, 2012
Ian Lee , I agree W/Rod about the racist votes for Romney & that Romney is racist, a liar and huge tax evader… but I am curious, where did you read in Rod's post that "all" people who vote for Romney are racist"? One of the most common factors I've noticed in my phone banking, etc is every single one of the Romney supporters and undecided, I've spoken to, never heard of http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php or "Citizens United".
Oct 22, 2012
Crystal Younger, our off budget military complex is the large$t manmade socialized institution in the world… our air, water, all of nature, human rights, our Constitution, our common good infrastructure, taxes, are also examples of socialism…and we aren't free w/out sustainability…socialsm should not be confused w/socialistic dictatorships…nor should it distract anyone from being vigilant about blatant local to global corporate rule/fascism. see facts on our very own corporate representativeS: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php
Oct 22, 2012
facts on our forces, consinregress vs forwardcongress: http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.php
Oct 22, 2012
Brenda, I'm straight and I believe in the human right to love, have a family or not and the legal rights to these choices…the Jesus I know, was against discrimination:) Discrimination is very painful & destructive to the soul and civilized society:( http://gawker.com/5953357/missouri-pastors-fiery-speech-against-equal-rights-for-homosexuals-has-stunning-twist-ending
Oct 22, 2012
Crystal Younger, how do you feel about global fascism?
Oct 22, 2012
Scott Freese TARP (trillions to global banksters that got us in this mess) & Solyndra ( money invested in USA economy) didn't have oversite under Bush…under Obama they got some:)
Oct 22, 2012
On the "hate" comments, we need to stop hating people on both sides…it is OK to honestly disagree, not OK to call someone a "moron" for voicing an opinion. I am not in agreement with Mr. Obama on much, but I pray for him.
Oct 22, 2012
Kenny Jaeger ~ I don't think we have met.
Therefore you really have no right to speak about me and speculate what I may have been through or escaped from.
For that matter, please do not use me as a drum for you to pound your platform. " many like Chris to have some skin left" ~ did you read my BIO on LinkedIn…no, you didn't! (but it sure gave you an intro for your BIO – Mr. "G" Salesman)
Maybe Christine cares about the little crusade that you have waged against the big, bad corporations.
Perhaps she will feel a need to let the world know what a great guy you have become after overcoming the greed and the exploiting of others. (The guilt of it all until you found the company could be your patsy for falling into temptation).
For myself, I didn't sign up for your whining.
It's weak, very weak.
You seem to be looking for a shoulder to cry on or at the least a handkerchief to wipe the tears away from your Joan of Arc victimization. (Except you made others victims because you chose to do their bidding)
Your story has a happy ending as you have purged yourself, lil buddy and now you are butterfly free. Good for you, but show some manners and speak of what you know and you don't know me.
Nice Rage Against the Machine fairytale to read as you lick your wounds of alleged injustice.
If you need forgiveness ~ get on your knees and say a prayer.
Christine asked a question about a corporation.
I answered her.
Oct 22, 2012
Bryan , I'm volunteering here in Fla so we can get the Pres back in to keep the country moving forward not backward!
Oct 23, 2012
I could'nt agree with Clark more.Well said Kenny.I would like to give a big thank you to Gov Romney for his service to this country for his yrs on the political front.Because I disagree with him by no means do I not respect him.I believe the President has a stronger knowledge of the country and for the needs of the majority of it's people.
Oct 23, 2012
@Rasham I totally agree and have expressed my opinions to my grown kids.This is the first election where I actually fear for this country should the Gov win.This coming from a retired 65yr vietnam vet.Anyway enjoyed reading your post.
Oct 24, 2012
Chris Dolan So I guess you are not impressed by our brief meeting on this social media site. I do thank you for the feedback and the warnings. I forget that the social media is a place to publish thoughts and ideas and opinions to strangers who may not like the things said. And that some may be angry and serious and maybe even dangerous. I am not easily made to become afraid of anyone, but you kind of scare me. Why? Well because I don't think I said anything that should have been taken so negatively, yet you all but said you hate me….and all because I said you came out of corporate America in better shape than I did….Maybe you feel guilty of turning on friends or partners or customers so that you could make it in better shape in your retirement. In short, maybe you are part of the problem that I and many like me see with the new-age republicans and the corporate culture. And you sounded like a real el-creepo with the statement of me needing to be more mannerly with people like you. Well, I don't care if you are Grover Norquist's brother, I will say what I want on the social media in anyway in which the forum allows…KEJ 102412–1710pm RRPL
Nov 1, 2012
Next Tuesday, we can't let Obama win
Nov 5, 2012
I can not believe there are people who would reelect a pompous individual who is turning our nation into a socialist mess
Nov 8, 2012
Thank you.