Ron Paul Thinks Social Security is Unconstitutional, But Receives It Anyway [Video]

What a hit piece. Ron has every right to claim a portion of the money that was stolen from him in social security. Does the author suggest that everyone who supports liberty live in caves lest they be accused of a double standard?
Another point ignored in the article is that Ron has repeatedly said, including in this interview, that he would do more than any other politiican to preserve ss and food stamps in the short-term by first cutting money spent on the empire and Obama's military industrial complex. With that saved money, he would enable the younger generation to shitt to private alternatives.

Makes sense to me, he has paid into social security his whole life, he is owed that money. If this was suppose to be a gotcha moment it is pretty small.

If he's going to let young people opt out of social security, does that mean they aren't going to take out of their paychecks?

Yes

If he was a man of principal he would not cash the check and not pay the amount he contributes to social security when he cuts a check to the IRS for his income tax. But just like Ayn Rand, he is full of crap–you and I must be subject to these things, but not him. Scratch the surface of a libertarian and you'll underneath you'll find a hypocrite.

Ron paul should know the middle class and poor Need assistance saving for retirement.They would not save that money it would be used for better cars , homes and kids education.The rich are so disenfranchised on how we have to live….

typical republican attitude, what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. selfish attitude. yes he is entitled to it but don't try to take it away from the seniors like they are trying to do.

He is a man of principle. He takes his Social Security because it's "his" money that he "earned" that was "taken". His statement isn't "do as I say, not as I do" as this OpEd would like you to think. He's stating that we could, collectively, ween ourselves off of the program and allow the individual to invest their funds for themselves, removing the Governments ability to "ahem- borrow" from the Social Security funds for other projects and then claim shortages. Ron Paul, given the "option" does not take the perks offered in his official position, such as the medical and retirement benefits. Get your facts straight.

The above commentary belongs on Jay Leno's Tonight Show bit "Negative Ads". Try a little word called "context".

Ron Paul is right! Social Security enslaves you, but alas that's what the government wants after all.

I believe the man said he would NOT cut it. How is that selfish? Social Security is OUR money that WE put into it in the first place. The second part is…..he said he would like to see younger people opt out of it and save their OWN MONEY in a different vehicle. Your post makes absolutely no sense given the information in this article. Try a little reading comprehension, unless you enjoy looking stupid.

I still haven't heard anyone say how social security slaves or enslaves you? You all do realize S.S. takes out of your paycheck pennies on the dollar…right? You do know that, right? Pennies.

Second, how does sitting on your butt collecting a S.S. ck enslave you? Or when one has a disability and get's ck's for that disability? How does that enslave them?

So again, how does Soc. Sec. enslave one's self? Pennies don't matter to me and sitting on my butt getting ck's is the only way I would think enslaves someone from doing anything with their own life.

Last time enslave? How?

He probably thinks the GI BILL is welfare as well. I'm surprised he didn't try and remove that program. After all, it is a govt. handout. Yeah we pay into just like SS put its still a handout in this old kooks eyes.

Im for giving people a choice on wether or not they want SS. Sounds like a good idea but I doubt young people will save that extra money. When they are old they will regret it.

How about under 45, Ron? I'll gladly sign off my benefits if I can quit paying into this broken system.

Wow, are some of you people ignorant. Ron Paul has paid into HIS own SS for more years than I have been alive (37). He is collecting HIS own money! He is not saying to cut it entirely, just that it is against the Constitution to force people into paying for it. He wants people to have a CHOICE. Wow, some of you would rather have no freedom.

He and his supporters have done their best to "enlighten" the masses but "they" have spoken: Four More Years of "insanity" regardless who gets "voted" in. No matter how hard the "establishment" tries to discredit Dr. Paul, they always wind up "short" to those of us in "the know." Cash those checks Dr. Paul because you'll never get back what you paid in.

No he wants young people to have a better option than social security.

Larry Laimo you need to read Pauls books and learn what he is about before you spout off and prove your ignorance.

Tell it, man.

THAT IS NOT WHAT HE IS SAYING. WHAT HE SAYS IS IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TAKE YOU MONEY. HE HAS NEVER SAID SOCIAL SECURITY WAS A HANDOUT. HE THINKS YOUNG PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION TH OPT OUT AND PUT THEIR MONEY INTO A PROGRAM OF THEIR CHOICE.

HE IS NOT PLANNING ON TAKING IT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY ON IT.HE JUST DOESN'T THINK IT CAN BE SUSTAINED OR THE YOUNGER GENERATION AND THEY SHOULD HAVE OTHER OPTIONS.

I agree,it is his money and ours for that matter.He and all the other goverment employees should be held to the same rules as the public.His check should be based on his current earnings.They should not be able to receive 100% of what the benefits while making as much as he does.They should have to wait until they are the legal retirement age they have set for the taxpaying citizen to get full benefits and under the same regulations .

He rejected his congressional pension and other congressional benefits. He also rejected congressional pay.

Couple things 1.. hes a hyprcrite if hes against it but will still take it, it shows hes greedy and luckily wont be the next president…2.. I can understand why he feels that 25 and under should save thier own money instead of paying into something that wont be there( or will be so cut that we will get 15 dollars a week)when people my age retire….why is it legal for the gov to Ponzi Scheme us into a system tnt guaranteed to be there when we want it but guys like madoff get life.

A Definition of Slavery: submission to a dominating influence

Translation: government takes $$ from citizens against their will

Social Security is a good system that works but the gov cant keep stealing money from it or it wont be there…look at adult basic in PA it was completely paid for through cigarette tax and was supposed to be used by poor people that were unable to collect ssi…..the fund ended this year because it was used improperly.

pwshaw are you stupid???? seriously!!! you want him to not cash his checks that money that was taken away!!! do your research on ron paul hes not a flip flopper he knows his stuff hes not a money grubber , did you know he stated if elected president he'd get under $40,000 instead the normal pay other presidents get!! does that sound like a money grubber????

Context is the key word here. This program started during the Great Depression so old people wouldn't have to move in with their kids when they got too old to work. Money for the elderly is good. They contribute to the economy and make wise choices. Allow young people to opt out, and most will take that extra 6.25% and spend it as soon as it hits their hands, and we'll be right back where we were in the 30s. Adjustments, YES, (end crazy checks, raise age, look at raising cap) elimination no. btw…weren't IRAs supposed to be the great fix?

The govt. is forcing me to collect a paycheck when I retire, what a cruel govt. we have. Look, alot of young people aren't going to save that money. But I think the govt. should give us an option. with that said, I would still sign up for SS, does that make me a socialist? I still wouldn't vote him, hes an idealist and unrealistic.

mr ron paul if you don't need your ssa check send the cash to me or one of million of low income or homeless people od the disable or some who looseing there home who depend ssa.checks who work all there lives and end without a pension talk too them, there aslo a lot of rich people who cash them check too tell them to give up there? thank you

Saying that something is "unconstitutional" is questionable. After all, under the original constitution, blacks were slaves and women and non land owners couldn't vote. Should we revert to the original document or consider that it's a living document open to interpretation and addendums? Disagree with something, but stop saying that it's "unconstitutional." Saying that alone should be unconstitutional!

You DO realize that you contradicted yourself in the same sentence? Either SS is a good system that works, or the government is stealing from the fund. You can't disconnect the two in theory, because we don't live in theory – we live in reality. And the reality is that government steals from SS. Ergo, the system cannot work.

exactly, which kind of proves ron pauls point, you shouldn't trust the government to do something you can do yourself. It's not fair my money is just taken from me without my consent then used to fund stuff i don't want funded.

no but you should have a choice, that is what America is about, freedom of choice. they are taking the money you pay into social security and then use it for something else. The Amish don't pay into social security and they don't collect it. that is their choice…why should we be any different.

It's about economic freedom…it is part of what this country is about. You shouldn't have to pay into a program you don't want to use….the federal government was not suppose to have that power. I don't care if it is 1 dollar or a thousand dollars. They are using the money we pay into social security on other things thereby stealing our money from its intended use. by the time i am old enough to collect there won't be anything there..how is that fair? it should be my choice on how i save my money, not the federal governments

It's about economic freedom…it is part of what this country is about. You shouldn't have to pay into a program you don't want to use….the federal government was not suppose to have that power. I don't care if it is 1 dollar or a thousand dollars. They are using the money we pay into social security on other things thereby stealing our money from its intended use. by the time i am old enough to collect there won't be anything there..how is that fair? it should be my choice on how i save my money, not the federal governments

hey, freedom means responsibility. That is why people came to this country. that is why bailouts are wrong…if you screw up you should pay the consequences, not your neighbor. if we don't learn when we screw up then we don't evolve….we can't have government always there to bail us out because then they own us and we are not free.

hey, freedom means responsibility. That is why people came to this country. that is why bailouts are wrong…if you screw up you should pay the consequences, not your neighbor. if we don't learn when we screw up then we don't evolve….we can't have government always there to bail us out because then they own us and we are not free.

The Social Security Act was brought about to reduce risks to the American people. When people choose or cannot afford Health Care the TAX PAYERS foot the bill, before Social Security was around the TAX PAYERS footed those bills as well, these are acts put into place to protect Americans. Were not some nation that says ok buddy you decided not to pay for SS or Healthcare so you can go die in alley somewhere, no these people are put in homes, taken to emergency rooms or whatever and its footed by the TAX PAYERS, you people already pay for health care for the uninsured this is why I am so shocked everyone is against it, you already pay for it! Wake up people Social Security works and so will the health care plan. For the people who sit there and claim they can go without it, ya its easy to say that now wait till you have a severe illness or death in your family and the paychecks are gone now what? Ya that's right you become a leech on society and I guess we should let you die in an alley because you CHOSE not to get Social Security or Health Care.

Under the old constitution, slavery was legal. So, they went through the legal process of ratification, and changed the constitution to prohibit slavery.
Now, under the current constitution, SS is unconstitutional. So, if you would like, go through the legal process of ratification, and create an amendment allowing for entitlements such as Social Security. Until then, too bad.
Please don't make such ignorant comments…

And I really mean that in the most respectful way, I apologize if my comment about ignorance seemed rude.

If you want others to "opt" out then you should do the same. He has so much money and he knows the budget woes on this country. Yes he paid into it as did I and Millions of Americans as it should be. as for retirement benefits it should be paid out.based on your income and their spouses (as it is for the disability part of the program. If everyone had a choice weather to pay into it most would never do it. They may think they will never need it but if they get into a horrible accident or health problems they are going to be screwed! There are people truly unable to work and without those benefits what would they do? Yet Ron Paul thinks that's unconstitutional know wonder he didn't get enough votes.

If you want others to "opt" out then you should do the same. He has so much money and he knows the budget woes on this country. Yes he paid into it as did I and Millions of Americans as it should be. as for retirement benefits it should be paid out.based on your income and their spouses (as it is for the disability part of the program. If everyone had a choice weather to pay into it most would never do it. They may think they will never need it but if they get into a horrible accident or health problems they are going to be screwed! There are people truly unable to work and without those benefits what would they do? Yet Ron Paul thinks that's unconstitutional know wonder he didn't get enough votes.

better get some facts before you call others ignorant. Ron Paul's money was used to pay previous generations' SS. Current workers pay Ron Paul's…It's a Ponzi scheme.

Yes, it is a Ponzi scheme and why he wants people to have the choice. Your "facts" aren't new. He paid into SS, did he not? Does he deserve to get his money? Thanks for playing.

All I can tell you is I am in a hell of a lot of pain right now. I have paid into social security since I was a young teen at the age of twelve. If I did not have social security I would be homeless now. Nobody plans on getting sick and people leave you to die in your bed but it does happen. Yes Gail I am talking about you, no good con artist.

My choice is leave it alone as I sure don't want it in the hands of Wall Street crooks who lost millions their retirement in the crash of 2008, so if you want a choice go ahead put it your retiremnt ther and a good chance you'll never see a dime you put into it. Why no have the SSA set up a SS Type IRAwehich would be as safe as the Gov't. Ron ApPAULling is a nut case.

My choice is leave it alone as I sure don't want it in the hands of Wall Street crooks who lost millions their retirement in the crash of 2008, so if you want a choice go ahead put it your retiremnt ther and a good chance you'll never see a dime you put into it. Why no have the SSA set up a SS Type IRAwehich would be as safe as the Gov't. Ron ApPAULling is a nut case.

The only problem with the arguments about SS enslaving people is that most young people won't take that money and save it if they opt out. Luckily, I will be dead by the time those penniless shits try to steal what I have.

So, where does it say its unconstitutional? Is it "the government shall do nothing that will help the fools that can't help themselves". Article 31.

So, where does it say its unconstitutional? Is it "the government shall do nothing that will help the fools that can't help themselves". Article 31.

You are making two very wrong assumptions:
1) SS is a working and sustainable option. Even if you believe that the government should take care of irresponsible people SS will not be able to do it for much longer.
2) Government is the only vehicle of welfare for the needy. Taking the governments hands off people's money will in fact be better for the economy, and will put much more money in the hands of Charity.
I always hate the argument: A will never work so we need B. B isn't working now, what the hell do we need B for?

How can you say it's a Ponzi scheme, you republicans make me sick with this bs. Find truth in some of your statements before you shoot of your mouth.

The left-wing line of logic is "if you have ever attended government schools, if you have ever driven on a government highway, if you have ever received a government check you have NO RIGHT to criticize government programs and call for phasing them out. As a result, we have lousy government schools, paying too much for our highway system, and have multiple, wasteful government entitlement programs.

I wish my rental lease was a "living document" so I could get out of it.

The Republicans are still trying to overturn New Deal Programs. This stuff gets old.

How is a doctor, who refuses his congressional pay, greedy for cashing in on the social security checks hes been paying into for over 40 years? That makes no sense, the government stole his money all his life in the form of social security and now they are willing to slowly give a little back to him and you dont think he should take it? Idiot.

How is a doctor, who refuses his congressional pay, greedy for cashing in on the social security checks hes been paying into for over 40 years? That makes no sense, the government stole his money all his life in the form of social security and now they are willing to slowly give a little back to him and you dont think he should take it? Idiot.

I agree with the man. I've been paying for ss all my life… and I don't expect to benifit from it when I retire… why should I keeping having to pay?

If you think that a congressman refuses thier pay your the bigger idiot….idiot. He says that social security is a form of socialist welfare and would do away with it if he were president but still collects it….would you want a president that sets an example like that…

just fyi its your dems that stole from it…

Read the comments below, good discussion. Most were respectful, now why can't we get congress to do the same? I agree with Dr. Paul and I don't think it makes me a hypocrite to get SS when it comes time. My husband and me have paid much in over the last fourty some odd years. If we had that money in the bank we could retire now.

If he is a congressmen still and making money he will not get SS because of the just under SS income rule. This does not make sense. If he retired with less or no income, then he would get it.

The government takes 4.2% of your paycheck from you and 6.2% of it from your employer to pay for Social Security. If you make $50,000 per year than means that in a given year they take over $2,000 from your paycheck and take another $3,000 from your employer. Imagine if you didn't have to pay that $2,000 a year and your employer could give you that extra $3,000 instead of sending it to the government. $5,000 dollars per year at $50,000 is like getting a 10% raise. You could afford health insurance and put money back for retirement. The worst part is my generation will never receive any benefit from the social security program because it's going to be bankrupt long before we will be able to collect any benefit from it. So essentially the government is taking our money and won't be providing a service for it later on. (Stealing)

The government takes 4.2% of your paycheck from you and 6.2% of it from your employer to pay for Social Security. If you make $50,000 per year than means that in a given year they take over $2,000 from your paycheck and take another $3,000 from your employer. Imagine if you didn't have to pay that $2,000 a year and your employer could give you that extra $3,000 instead of sending it to the government. $5,000 dollars per year at $50,000 is like getting a 10% raise. You could afford health insurance and put money back for retirement. The worst part is my generation will never receive any benefit from the social security program because it's going to be bankrupt long before we will be able to collect any benefit from it. So essentially the government is taking our money and won't be providing a service for it later on. (Stealing)

So Sabin just in case you couldn't do the math it's more like nickels and dimes on the dollar for Social Security…

So Sabin just in case you couldn't do the math it's more like nickels and dimes on the dollar for Social Security…

I agree that it should be a choice. So, if I can just have all the money I've "invested" into SSI so I at least have a choice as to what stocks to buy; that way, if my stocks fail, it's 100% on me. With SSI, the gov't is basically purchasing failed stock for me. I guess I should thank them for not charging a broker fee, after all, they charge for everything else.

I agree that it should be a choice. So, if I can just have all the money I've "invested" into SSI so I at least have a choice as to what stocks to buy; that way, if my stocks fail, it's 100% on me. With SSI, the gov't is basically purchasing failed stock for me. I guess I should thank them for not charging a broker fee, after all, they charge for everything else.

if you ask younger people to pay into SS voluntarily they will never do it. They will find a thousand things to spend money on now instead of saving for the future. Yes they will have their freedom and they will be broke when they reach their 60's. The questions is as a society will we let them suffer and die in poverty or help them with another expensive govt program

if you listen past the part where he says he is on SS, he explains everything.

What Ron Paul doesn't realize is its impossible for most people in this economy to save for retirement. Social Security is needed or many people hit the streets.

What Ron Paul doesn't realize is its impossible for most people in this economy to save for retirement. Social Security is needed or many people hit the streets.

Why does anyone, whether they are rich or poor, have to give their money, against their will, to another. If an individual wants a retirement fund, that is their prerogative and not the governments. Programs for the disabled and the poor should certainty be in place, but I just don't see how its fair to pay into a program and not get out the full amount you put in.

Why does anyone, whether they are rich or poor, have to give their money, against their will, to another. If an individual wants a retirement fund, that is their prerogative and not the governments. Programs for the disabled and the poor should certainty be in place, but I just don't see how its fair to pay into a program and not get out the full amount you put in.

Jerry, it's their choice. If they regret not saving money for retirement, then clearly they only have themselves to blame. Culpability is good thing- shows others the consequence of irresponsibility.

Jerry, it's their choice. If they regret not saving money for retirement, then clearly they only have themselves to blame. Culpability is good thing- shows others the consequence of irresponsibility.

Wait social contract is no in the Constitution, hold on neither are the words free markets or capitalism.

Survival of the finesses Phil.

i'm 24. so i'm just under the 25 mark. i have 2 kids and it takes every penny i have to make it buy. saving isn't that easy! maybe if my parents wouldn't have been teenagers and were financially stable before raising me, i would have a better chance to save. but this is the real world and i'm happy as fuck my mom had me @ 17. i work 40 plus hours a week. i pay my taxes, unimplemented, ss, about 95-115 dollars comes out of my check EVERY WEEK. i do NOT mind paying for my grandparents to live off SS. or anyone else who needs it. that being said, when i'm 60 years old and ready to retire (of course my generation is going to have to be damn near 100) i would like to get a check back for all that money that i paid in too!!!!!

Susan Katherine Green i just read an article yesterday about a 3 year old boy named Dyrke diagnosed with terminal cancer, would you like to retract your comment? http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/Dallas-Fire-Rescue-baseball-team-to-play-for-tot-with-liver-cancer-124526154.html

There is another point to this. Social Security was set-up to be a private entity separate from the Government. But a few Presidents had some not so bright ideas to dip into it, to make there ends meet and to use for some bad decisions that they had made. It was never to be used or touched by the Government. But yet they can't keep there sticky fingers off any money! Our taxes are to be used for there spending and funding of projects. Social Security was to never be used in that fashion. If they would have kept there greedy paws off of the peoples hard earned money in that account it wouldn't be going broke. Government employees never paid into S.S. taxes. They are given a federal pension when they retire. And just to bring to peoples attention this Congress 112th has been in office for a total of 537 days and the house has only worked 237 days of that 537 and the Senate worked 227 days of 537 with the annual salary of 165.200 per person. Hmm good pay for not even part time work and all the days off and perks. They should cut this pay after all you wanted this job to service your country and for the love of your country! Not for the raping of the American workers or people!

Very simply you refuse to pay the IRS what they say you owe, you go to prison. Pwshaw you really shouldn't try to sound intelligent, it doesn't work for you, but nice try.

No. I'm not claiming death and illness isn't sad and I don't wish it on anyone including my enemies, but it is part of life. You get the cards you were drawn-and to reduce a patients quality of life to merely prolong it is unnatural and selfish. That money spent on the child could be used to save a thousand more who aren't suffering from a TERMINAL illness. Most I would do for a child in a terminal illness would be to make them comfortable as possible [i.e. painmeds] and fulfill all their wishes to the best of my ability. The fittest survive, it is what it is.

No. I'm not claiming death and illness isn't sad and I don't wish it on anyone including my enemies, but it is part of life. You get the cards you were drawn-and to reduce a patients quality of life to merely prolong it is unnatural and selfish. That money spent on the child could be used to save a thousand more who aren't suffering from a TERMINAL illness. Most I would do for a child in a terminal illness would be to make them comfortable as possible [i.e. painmeds] and fulfill all their wishes to the best of my ability. The fittest survive, it is what it is.

Gee Stephanie where is there the box to click opt out and no longer make Social Security payments? He is saying the young who have not yet secured the necessary 40 quarters should have the option. What is so scary about being able to choose what to do with the money you earn?

"Sam Stein on a "vendetta," yep and he was schooled by the BOSS! RON PAUL 2012… Restore America NOW!

He says he would slowly phase it out not "do away with it".

Larry, how do the Amish get out of paying social security?

some of us think we live in a society that has the common good as its goal… while people like you think you live in a vacuum, only have your own, immediate interests in mind and call it "defending your freedom". Every other industrialized country on the planet, ones with higher standards of living than ours, by the way, have a form of social safety net in place.

some of us think we live in a society that has the common good as its goal… while people like you think you live in a vacuum, only have your own, immediate interests in mind and call it "defending your freedom". Every other industrialized country on the planet, ones with higher standards of living than ours, by the way, have a form of social safety net in place.

some of us think we live in a society that has the common good as its goal… while people like you think you live in a vacuum, only have your own, immediate interests in mind and call it "defending your freedom". Every other industrialized country on the planet, ones with higher standards of living than ours, by the way, have a form of social safety net in place.

Ron Paul is a fool.Lets say a family of 5, husband and wife, and three young children. Both are working parents and suddenly the 49 father dies of a heart attack and leaves his family in serious financial difficulty now. Ron would say too bad for you lady, you didn't enrich the life insurance company rackets like you should have(whether they could afford to or not in the family budget) and if you go bankrupt or homeless due to the death of their loved one he doesn't give a shit. People don't buy life insurance because it is another expense. I for one am at ease knowing that my SS taxes go to hard working families that I don't even know, that come under extreme conditions(disability or death) sometimes. The selfishness of people saddens me.

Tom, it doesn't have to SAY it's unconstitutional – the federal government is given certain specific, spelled-out responsibilities within the document. By definition, everything else that they do outside of those boundaries is unconstitutional.

Paul wants us to control our own lives and make our own decisions. that's what a free society is and how it runs. in his day he didn't have a choice BUT to pay into social security, and after paying into it for 30 + yrs I'd want my money back to. what he wants to do for us is allow room for independent decision making without government interference IE: whether we want to use ss or not. this is a no brainier for me or anyone else that truly understands what the revolution movement is about. this is a good thing people, do what you want, if you can't make choices freely, you don't live in a free society. Ron Paul = consistent.

Did you even read the artical… he is taking it by "using highways" "using banks" "using the federal reserve" these are ways of using social security that most people don't even think about but we do.

Laura the only reason every other industrialized country can afford their socialist "safety net" is because we provide a large chunk of their security. I used to live in Italy, taxes are very high and competition is discouraged, which simply means absolute crappy customer service can survive and thrive. I hope you remember on 4th of July that you really don't care about the freedom that 25,000 freedom loving rebels laid their life down for.

Firstly, as a government employee, he paid no money into social security, so most of you are already too quick to spew your inanity while assisting a thief Now, he may be speaking of the money he made as a doctor, but we have no financial records of what he paid into the system, and we don't even know what his salary was in his lifetime while performing work as a physician. I'd love to know how much he's paid monthly by the government and what his total salary was when he was not a government employee. Then of course, we have the ethical side. Does he really think that after being part of a government that has borrowed, stolen, and in doing so, how much was returned in a prompt manner and how much interest was paid. All of the figures mentioned are public information and we have every right to know. Lastly, if you think it's ethical for a congressman to accept payments from a system he's doing his best to eliminate then all of you uninformed sheep should line up a march in his defense. I really hope it tickle your little hearts to help a man who doesn't need the money, while those who do may be cut off at anytime. LOL, according to the congressman from Pluto all we have to do is appeal to our nearest theocratic money mongers and I'm sure they'll pay what the government owed you. LOL. Good luck….

This is what inbreeding does to ones' thinkinking. He says he pays in more than he gets out. How? this moron doesn't tell you how big oil is being subsidized and where does he thinks that money comes from. And if this program is unconsttutional, all programs are unconstitutional. If this nut job thinks like this, how does he thinks Congress, judges, public servants, school teachers and even the dog catcher get their payroll from. If the New Deal is unconstitutional, then you are a fraud as a person running for president. What are you talking about anyway when you talk about government roads and other government establishments. YOU SOUND LIKE A COMMY BASTARD TO ME!

Yea, right- look at Germany, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Finland, Japan. We're not defending them from anything. And Germany kicks our asses in every respect – education, healthcare, economy. You're just using a tired excuse to defend the massive industrial military complex which has nothing to do with "defending our freedom" and everything about making billions of dollars off that meme. 59% of our budget goes to the military – the ultimate in government welfare – spending on defense contractors. We spend more money now (700 BILLION) than we ever did when we were in the Cold War against the Soviets. This isn't 1776 – time to look at the bigger, current picture, my friend.

Judy, I actually read Liberty Defined and I am a supporter of his. Im not sure where your comment came from. It just seems logical to me that if people opt out of social security then it wont be taken out of their paychecks as it is now. How is that ignorant?

youre a fucking tool

This Congress will go down in history as The Do Nothing Congress…What a waste of our tax payers dollars to pay these people…

This Congress will go down in history as The Do Nothing Congress…What a waste of our tax payers dollars to pay these people…

slowly phased out or fast he eventually wants to do away with it

RON PAUL for President 2012…… I love this guy…. He is so right and is not getting the votes this guy needs. Please America vote this guy in….. I know I will vote for him.

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I think whoever pays into SS should get a check every month until they die, it's their money! I have a real big problem w/ people who have never paid a dime into the system and are getting a "crazy"(lazy's more like it) check every month. Now when a parent has paid into the system and 1 or both pass away, I believe their children should get a check to help them maintain the lifestyle. I also think we should have a choice on if we want to contribute to SS or not. I'd be putting mine in my Roth acct.

Vince every adult I know (both left and right) under 50 knows perfectly well that Social Security will be bankrupt soon. Paul is offering a lifeboat to those who have no chance of getting it anyways. Would you rather they have to pay into a system that everyone knows will not be there for them anyways? I thought liberals were supposed to be compassionate…

Tom, I think the idea is you do have to invest/save it in something, you don't just get to keep it. Because yes, many people would just blow it. It's about choice though and not paying into a system that will be broke by the time maybe even I am retired…

Tom, I think the idea is you do have to invest/save it in something, you don't just get to keep it. Because yes, many people would just blow it. It's about choice though and not paying into a system that will be broke by the time maybe even I am retired…

Mary, nice way to come in and shoot off without saying anything of value. Please explain what to call a system that I am paying into and that younger people are paying into and they will not see a dime if changes aren't made? For the record, I think the whole 2 party system is what has destroyed this country. I am neither a republican or a democrat. Why do people have to be all one way or the other, black or white? There is middle ground, you know gray like the color of your brain. Think for yourself and stop doing what the TV told you to do. Do you really think there is much difference in what these presidents are doing and will do? Mitt or Obama. Just more of the same. Tanked economy. War and policing the world. Patriot Act will be extended again. Feel free to give up your rights, I'm going to try to keep mine.

Interesting story actually….they basically fought for the right now to pay into it and won eventually.
http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm

I mean "not to pay into it"

You only get social security if you pay into it. if they can pay into it they can pay into something of their own choosing. It shouldn't have to be mandated that we pay into something the government tells us to. it should be my choice because when the government fucks up and wastes the money I can't do anything about it.

Ron Paul is entitled to the money that was taken from his pay his whole life. I get a kick out of people who either write this tripe or believe it. The guy walks the walk and talks the talk like nobody I have ever seen. As for being Constitutional or not, as for most anything RP speaks against, it is not Constitutional as there is no provision in the Constitution for the Federal Gov to be involved in these things. This is the message of RP. The Federal govt job is to simply provide a national defense, coin money, and uphold the damn Constitution. So far they have done just the opposite on all counts. Go Ron Paul and his army of devoted supporters and delegates!

One day people will realize that all the warnings about SS from people like Ron Paul and others will be proven right but the sad thing is they will only realize that once the entire system collapses on itself and EVERYONE is left out in the cold. Ron Paul is the only who had a real plan to save those who were dependent on the system. What you pro SS people don't understand is that in theory SS is a good idea. But the very nature of Govt is to corrupt everything it touches. If people could keep more of their money they would have more of their money to be generous with and their would be more charities with more money to help people. believe in freedom not GOVT.

It's like when people rail on Ayn Rand for having collected SS. She and Ron were forced to pay into it their entire lives, so why should they not jump at the opportunity to reclaim some of their forcibly taken money?

Thank you! Great point.

Here is a relevant quote:

"The same moral principles and considerations apply to the issue of accepting social security, unemployment insurance or other payments of that kind. It is obvious, in such cases, that a man receives his own money which was taken from him by force, directly and specifically, without his consent, against his own choice. Those who advocated such laws are morally guilty, since they assumed the “right” to force employers and unwilling co-workers. But the victims, who opposed such laws, have a clear right to any refund of their own money—and they would not advance the cause of freedom if they left their money, unclaimed, for the benefit of the welfare-state administration." – Ayn Rand.

Of course, but Gov employees don't pay on ss so is tis magic? Then he gets all worried and panicky when it's solvent through 2037. Somebody should shove some of his hoard of gold down his throat and if he tries to vomit cut his hands off. Got it?

Yeah. I was amazed he has an ulterior motive to change to the gold and silver standard// Shocking…99.32967 of the world would be broke and he'd be a Gogolplexanior. That's 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 trillion squared. What do you want to bet he wouldn't pick up a coffee tab?

hey bobby… i may look stupid(in your eyes) but my stupid is still smarter than you.

Susan Katherine Green I hope that if someone in your family is faced with a terminal illness, you pull the plug as quickly as you made that statement.

Susan Katherine Green easy to say when it is not your child. This is also a country and a society that believes in miracles, I bet you are religious are you not? Does not every religion believe in miracles? I find it funny that you religious types love to boast about God and miracles yet here you sit and talk about giving up on a child. I will tell you a story Susan, my aunt was 39 years old when she was diagnosed with cancer and told she had 1 year to live, she ended up living 11 years, went through chemo 4 times and when asked to go through it a 5th time at age 50 she had finally had enough of being sick and died shortly after refusing treatment.

My point is we as a people fight to live, we fight for our children and our family and sometimes we even fight for strangers, giving up is not an option. I know my aunt and she was a fighter and I know no matter how hard it was to go through chemo 4 times and be sick for so long she got to see her neices and nephews grow up, she got to be with her family as long as she could and I don't think she had any regrets.

In the end ask yourself if this was your child what cost would be to much and how hard would you fight if you thought there was hope or at least the oppurtunity to spend time with your child. For me there is no question, if there is the slightest chance of a cure I would fight to the end for my family.

I think you guys are missing the point, the whole reason Social Security was put into place was to force people to provide for themselves so they do not become a drain on society, if people have options the odds are just like our health care system before Mr Obama's plan came around people will opt not to have health care and in the end they become a drain on the tax payers, this is the whole point of government enforced policy to take the human choice out of the equation. Even at the state level you are mandated to pay for unemployment, car insurance, home owners insurance, why? To protect tax payers, because if you do not have these things eventually it costs the tax payers more money and the whole point is that people take responsibility for themselves and not rely on tax payers to shell out for everyone who chooses not to have it.