Jun 17
Tuesday
Tech : Duncan Riley
6 Alternatives To Flickr Now Yahoo Is In Full Control

The sad news today: Flickr founders Caterina Fake and Stewart Butterfield are leaving Yahoo. Flickr has thrived despite being owned by Yahoo, and much of its ongoing success has been down to Fake and Butterfield keeping control over the layout and feature set on the site. If you’re like me, the only reason you actually have a Yahoo login or regularly use a Yahoo login is due to Flickr and nothing else. With both gone the site will be left to a Yahoo design team that.. well…creates stuff like this. Many users kept using Flickr post Yahoo acquisition in loyalty to Butterfield and Fake, but with both gone some users will be looking elsewhere. So what’s on offer?

Smugmug

Smugmug is a leader in the Flickr alternatives space. Great looks are combined with good traffic and a strong community to deliver a viable and attractive alternative. The one catch though: Smugmug is a paid service with only a free trial period, a speedhump for the majority of Flickr users on a free account, but premium Flickr users with pro accounts won’t mind paying $39.95/ yr for unlimited uploads and storage. Smugmug also offers video hosting for $59.95/ yr, although with a huge range of free options in the video space I don’t immediately see the appeal.

Zooomr

Zooomr was once the Flickr in waiting, but after uptime issues last year the site now calls itself a “social utility” that offers a Twitter style short message service. Founder Kristopher Tate has also been focusing on the Japanese market. Worth consideration as the traffic is reasonable and the user base fairly active.

Photobucket

Before you ask, the answer is yes, Photobucket. The MySpace (FIM) owned Photobucket has matured past its roots as a photo uploading site for social network profiles and is now a fully fledged photo sharing site with its own community. The selling point: stable, strong ownership means that you’ll never lose your photos. The downside: it’s still as ugly as sin. Great for 12 year olds with ADHD, bad for anyone older than 25 with 20/20 vision.

Picasa Web Albums

Google has long lagged in photo sharing, but more and more lately images hosted on Picasa Web Albums keep popping up. Focused on Google’s excellent Picasa photo editing tool, Google offers functional and easy to use photo hosting that will never go down. For Mac users there is a Picasa photo uploader which looks nearly identical to the Flickr equivalent, so the switch isn’t that big. My guess is that Picasa Web Albums is the next big service in photo sharing, although it won’t appeal to serious photographers. Also like most things Google, it’s not exactly pretty either.

Dot Mac/ Mobile Me

Apple’s Dot Mac (soon to be Mobile Me) service isn’t cheap, but the built in support for photo galleries within iPhoto creates seriously good looking photo galleries. The downside is a complete lack of social sharing or social anything really, it’s great looking photos and nothing else. I personally use this service for private galleries, or to be more precise photos my 5 year old son has taken that I want to share only with family and close friends.

23

23 is the smallest service we’ve put on this list, but it stands out as being a simple, well designed, attractive photo sharing site with a active community. The risk with smaller services is that they might not go the distance, however everything feels right about this site.

I’m not about to cancel my Flickr membership, but already I know I’m not alone in considering other services, so I hope the list helps. If there are any services not included that you’d recommend, leave a comment below, and also let us know why you use them.

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  • June 17, 2008 at 6:06 pm Shey
    stop scaring me!
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:10 pm Jake (aka Jawee)
    If I do switch, it will probably be to Zoomr or Picasa Web Albums.
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm Justin Korn
    I just paid my 1 year subscription...so I'm going to wait so see how things unfold (if anything)
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:12 pm Mike Doeff
    Believe it or not Duncan there are some people out there who don't just use Yahoo because of Flickr. I know, it's hard to believe.
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:14 pm McFrugal
    Mike, what else do you use?
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:15 pm Duncan Riley
    Mike, what should I be looking at?
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:18 pm Zach Landes
    I know Flickr is popular but I've always found Picasa Web Albums to get the job done simple and easily. And with my parents and sisters on it, its a no-brainer.
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:21 pm Jeremy Hall
    Big opportunity for Zooomr if they are ready for it. Just got the invite for Photrade but have yet to go check it out yet. Photrade has the commerce element to it too. Flickr has always been the social aspect for me though; Smugmug has been my serious/commerce photo resource.
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:21 pm Jake (aka Jawee)
    @Mike Doeff: Yeah, I use del.icio.us AND Flickr. ;)
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:26 pm Duncan Riley
    Jeremy, I wanted to be warmer about Zooomr but I'm not sure what's going on there. The front page is a complete mess, and it seems to have disappeared from the radar a bit, although their traffic seems to be holding.
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:34 pm Zach Landes
    @Jeremy I really don't see how this is a big opportunity. I am sure the VAST majority of users have never heard of these founders, or the fact that they are leaving Flickr. When/If Flickr starts heading in the wrong direction, then there will be new opportunities for other services to grab market share.
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:35 pm Jeremy Hall
    @Duncan I agree. I was obviously curious when Thomas made an seemingly obvious return to Flickr with most of his photos, particularly those hosted on his blog. When the primary evangelist for the site is suddenly much more quiet about it, makes you wonder. Any reasons you care to share TH (or that I missed)?
  • June 17, 2008 at 6:38 pm Jeremy Hall
    @Zach Perhaps a bit as you say, I view it as an indicator of the potential for an opportunity. Just as with any program that becomes huge, someone eventually comes along that just does it better or in a way. Flickr does a lot of things great, but they have also moved slowly on what many have pointed out as opportunities to evolve in features that are a natural improvement to what is already there. The current outflow of leadership typically leads to stagnation or negative change.
  • June 17, 2008 at 7:09 pm Tris Hussey
    You notice that SmugMug is offering 50% off your first year if you come from Flickr? Puts it smack dab within Flickr's price point and a wee cheaper. Yahoo watch it.
  • June 17, 2008 at 7:18 pm Noah David Simon
    the list fails to make mention of fileden... which while the interface is horrible.... allows you to post images without censorship. A must have to avoid the eMOMs (MailOurMilitary), Tiper Gores, Volvo Soccer Moms, and other moralists ilk. Censorship with photo sharing is a huge issue. Please address it to make your story truly relevant
  • June 17, 2008 at 7:25 pm Robert Scoble
    Zooomr never got funding and will never be able to deal with huge growth unless it does get funding.
  • June 17, 2008 at 7:34 pm Jeremy Hall
    Smugmug has the backbone and expertise to be much bigger in this market, but they have specialized in providing the features and flexibility to paying members that are more serious about managing their own "sandbox." I love Smugmug, but the social aspect has always been more difficult for me to get involved with over there vs flickr. I wonder how this could be improved.
  • June 17, 2008 at 7:37 pm Jeremy Toeman
    why on earth would i leave flickr just because the founders quit? the site works, hasn't changed from the value proposition i as a user signed up to. i'm perfectly happy paying for my pro account until they actually reduce my feature set, but could care less who is 'in control'. who knows, maybe the new team will actually improve the site?
  • June 17, 2008 at 7:40 pm Bwana McCall
    Jumping the gun is an understatement here.
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:03 pm Leon Westbrook
    flickr is just fine. one of these days I want to get a pro account and get more involved there.
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:31 pm Amit Patel
    I just renewed my Flickr Pro account. I'm too busy to worry about some future hypothetical calamity. I'll let y'all worry about it, figure out what to do, and then in a few years if disaster strikes, I can move then.
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:34 pm Kristopher Tate
    Flickr is a great site, and I'm sure that Stewart & Co. will be missed. RE: Zooomr, we're stronger than ever. Remember, Zooomr is free UNLIMITED photosharing. No limits. We've recently built-up a team in Japan and growing like crazy because Flickr cannot legally enter Japan at all. :) Article: http://jp.blognation.com/2007/12/09/zooomr-conquering-the-world-from-japan/
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:36 pm Mark Trapp
    Do any alternatives have a way to migrate from Flickr? That would be a killer feature.
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:37 pm Kristopher Tate
    Also, regarding our front page. It's shit, and we know it. The Japanese version is much better and we're going to update the english-front page soon. Japanese Zooomr Home: http://jp.zooomr.com/
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:40 pm Kristopher Tate
    Mark, you can migrate using an App called Migratr: http://www.callingshotgun.net/about/migratr/
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:43 pm Mark Trapp
    Kristopher, very nifty, thanks. Maybe I'll look into moving off of flickr to something more 2.0er.
  • June 17, 2008 at 8:44 pm Kristopher Tate
    Mark, sure -- If you're ever feeling like going Unlimited, give Zooomr a shot: http://www.zooomr.com/signup/
  • June 17, 2008 at 9:00 pm Baratunde Thurston
    how many products are forever managed by their original founders? everybody needs to calm down
  • June 17, 2008 at 9:01 pm Mike Doeff
    Jeremy, Bwana - I totally agree that people are jumping the gun here. No disrespect to Stuart and Caterina who built a great service but who cares if they're leaving. This service had been under Yahoo management for a long time now. The founders gave up control of Flickr the day they sold it.
  • June 17, 2008 at 9:51 pm Tris Hussey
    All things considered, it is a good idea to just to check out other options. SmugMug looks cool. I've uploaded some of my stuff http://trishussey.smugmug.com/gallery/5195150_kMMNJ#315169116_3TQCX . Will I switch from Flickr? Not right away. Will I will ready to if needed? Sure.
  • June 17, 2008 at 9:54 pm Bwana McCall
    Deja Vu - Yahoo buys Flickr. Everybody panics, exports their pictures. We see how that turned out.
  • June 17, 2008 at 9:54 pm Leo Laporte
    I use both Flickr and Smugmug. I love Smugmug's features, but Flickr is still where the community is. I've integrated Smugmug into my site - http://leolaporte.smugmug.com - that's one of its nicest features. Great support, too.
  • June 17, 2008 at 10:11 pm Mike Doeff
    Seems to me that SmugMug is best if you are sharing with family and close friends and Flickr makes it easier to share across a wider community. Both sites can co-exist and be very successful. Why do we always need to declare one winner in every cateogory? And I'll say it again. Base your decision on your requirements for photo sharing, the features of the site, and the performance/reliability. Don't base it on the names of the people who are running the site.
  • June 18, 2008 at 3:59 am Chris Nixon
    Good list. I think Ipernity should be on there too. It's a strong alternative.
  • June 18, 2008 at 8:18 am Krista Neher
    Duncan - Great post! I would also recommend (because I work there) photrade.com. We let users share protect and make money from their photos. (you actually wrote about our adnetwork back on Techcrunch).
  • June 18, 2008 at 8:51 am Amit Patel
    I have to agree with Mike Doeff. Despite having “photo hosting” in common, Flickr is a very different product from SmugMug. My friends & family aren't even viewing my Flickr photos; I use Flickr for the wider community, and other approaches for friends & family.
  • June 20, 2008 at 2:34 am kosmar
    check ipernity.com also.

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