Presidential Polls: Obama And Romney Tied Heading Into Final Debate

Romney will WIN because I trust God to take CONTROL of the wheel and SET US Americans free from EVIL Obama and the WORST/FAILURE President in history.

Really? No one knows who is gonna win and frankly GOD isnt gonna tell u wow

Really….really Patricia. I find it hard to see how God is on the side of Mr. Romney considering his religion doesn't even worship Jesus………

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/15/breaking-romneys-bain-capitol-drug-front-for-bush-cartel-video/

What do Mormons believe about Jesus Christ? Do Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?

Jesus Christ is the literal Son of God. His birth, life, death, and resurrection fulfilled the many prophecies contained in the scriptures concerning the coming of a Savior. He was the Creator, He is our Savior, and He will be our Judge (see Isaiah 9:6, 53:3-7; Psalms 22:16-18).

Under the direction of our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ created the earth (John 1:10; Hebrews 1:2).

When Jesus lived on the earth (approximately 2,000 years ago), He led a perfect life. He taught by word and example how people should live in love of God and others.

Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and by giving His life on the cross—that is, by performing the Atonement —Jesus Christ saves us from our sins (1 Peter 2:21) as we follow Him. Because of the Atonement, you can be forgiven of your sins when you sincerely repent (Book of Mormon, Mosiah 26:30).

Through His Resurrection, Jesus Christ saved us from death. Because He overcame death, we will all be given the gift of resurrection, that is to say our spirits will be eternally re-united with our bodies (Acts 24:15; 1 Corinthians 15:22). When life on this earth is over, Jesus Christ will be the final Judge (Acts 17:31; John 5:21-22; Acts 10:42).

Bree it's advious you do not know anything about the Morman religion. They absolutely believe in Jesus, God and the holy spirit.

God won't tell me, BUT he hears and answers my prayers, not saying he will make Romney President, BUT if 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (When he heals our land He will remove Obama because he is Muslim/Islam/Marxist/Communist/Socialist…having pagan god … one of the ten commandments is we are NOT to have pagan gods.

THANK GOD YOU CAN SEE THROUGH OBAMA

Thanks Janice, I realized Bree was just a young "know it all" with no legitimate FACTS, and didn't care to debate her.

Patricia…i can do the same thing pray obama wins…but GOD the GOD i know has a plan for everyone however he answers when HE wants not when we want. So ur a christian? I am too but christians have ruined so much by their snobby ways that im embarased to b a quote christian and its cause they judge they hate and if thats what a chr

Christian is i guess im not one. But GOD still loves me and will never deny me because i im pro choice and womans rights r important to me

rights….christians have literally forgotten how to wun people to the lord cause i

http://carm.org/mormon-beliefs

Patricia Toney i would be petrified at the thought of some like Romney running our country and I'm not thoroughly impressed with Obama. In all actuality neither candidate really is credible 100 percent, but really what candidate is in this day and time. Once inaugurated into office they all become puppets of the invisible puppeteers. For your information putting someone down by calling names is not something I choose to do

Bee you need to get the facts right real fast! Romney is who we need to lead this country.

Really? All the research I've done scares me

Obama is not a marxist or a socialist/communist/ muslim…. u may want to access some news other than fox news. with all due respect, these fox journalists seem to give out gross misinformation on a regular basis. try listening to npr once in a while- not so sensationalistic, so it may not be as exciting, but it is good to listen to facts instead of emotions…

Thx e!

Bree Collar : You are right Bree, that was not a good choice of words, I apologize. I am a Baptist pastors wife and I want my words to reflect who I am. I am a conservative, not political, just feel that Obama has removed God out of everything he can in our country. We are a christian nation…Obama is Muslim/Islam and he intends for ALL of us to be of the Islam faith. Obama has had 4 years with nothing accomplished, so I am giving Romney a chance to save our country, four more years of Obama and we will have NO country. His father Frank Marshall Davis, also his mentor in his book is a communist,marxist,socialist. Google Frank Marshall Davis as Obamas real father and put their pictures side by side and you will quickly see who his father is, astounding resemblance, even dark spots on Davis's face Obama has. I lived in Chicago over 20 years and I am very familar with the thugs there, it is a very common thing that Obama frequented the gay bars in Chicago…there is a lot you need to research.

i dont think labelling others is very kind, just because someone doesn't have all the facts does not mean you should insult them. you can give the facts out without name calling… we are all equal here, and there is no need for belittling others

Bree Collar : the right usually resorts to name calling because they cannot win debates on factual arguments… it is all about emotion; just watch fox news— emotion, and more emotion

Elizabeth Hampton : If you would reread Bree statement you will see she started the name calling saying Romney's religion did not believe in Jesus. I apologized to Bree for my poor choice of words. So now it's Ok for you to insult Fox News…at least you can hear both sides from them and CNN. I presented Bree with FACTS from the Mormons beliefs. I don't choose to argue, debate with FACTS only. Show me where I presented anything but facts and I will correct it…not rhetoric.

"Mormons do not believe in the Trinity as we understand it. They believe that God and Jesus were separate physical people" who dwelled on the earth, Johnston said. God was Jesus' father, and both men died.
"They do have a 'Holy Ghost' that is very similar to our understanding of the Holy Spirit," Johnston said.

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/what-do-mormons-believe-ex-mormon-speaks-out-part-two-58494/#mXV3lgBVKqY7mG71.99.

Ms. Toney you are a true racist/bigot. Instead of putting God in the mix just say what you feel. Its not that Obama is evil or that he is a bad leader, but that you and your kind hate him because he is black. I know in my heart that God does not favor any one creature. If you truly believe in God, you would know that. Pick up your Bible (if you own one) and begin to read and understand the scriptures. You need prayer in your life.

My comment was a bit abrasive and not specific so easily misinterpreted. They obviously believe in Jesus, but not in the way Christians do

Bree Collar : You are right, there is some difference, but our President is not going to be our spiritual adviser, BUT he will be our President Commander-in-Chief.

patricia tooney: well its great that you also listen to cnn. npr is also a good news source, and if u listen to npr you will notice that there is no name calling or emotional reactions. its not sensationalized…. also, its great to read and watch (on the internet) from different countries (especially europe), it's wonderful to get that global feedback. you will be enlightened to hear what other countries think. God bless you

Bj Banks : You, my friend, are Racist…WHY is it when someone disagrees and presents only FACTS they are racist. I read my bible every day, and have served as a pastors wife for over 50 years and I LOVE the red, yellow, black and white because they are precious in God's sight. Obama has been a COMPLETE failure, NO jobs, NO economy, NOT American…just good at taking money from the working class and giving to the lazy class…the bible says if you don't work you don't eat. Also, a man that won't work and provide for his family is worse than an infidel and has denied the faith. Good night, I have nothing else to say to you as you just want to argue. God bless America and Israel. God is good all the time, Blessed be the name of the Lord.

Bree Collar: As I said before, you are right, there is some difference in our beliefs, but our President is not going to be our spiritual adviser, BUT he will be our President Commander-in-Chief. We did not vet Obama on being Muslim/Islam, or Kennedy as Catholic (good president) …all this doesn't matter, we NEED someone with good management skills to turn our country around and Romney has this experience.

Shannon Williams ; The bible says in Psalms 127:3 Loe, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the wombe is his reward. I am not your judge, God is and you will give account to Him for your actions. People that abort children are taking away God's reward. I try not to criticize people, but give them what Gods word says, if the word of God offends you, then you need to talk to God about it.. You say you are ashamed to call yourself a christian, Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. Goodnight and God bless America and Israel.

Elizabeth Hampton : Come on Ms. Hampton, let's not be naive , there is name calling from both sides…I have listened to NPR and they get get very nasty regarding politics. The names Romney has been called, I did not like him initially, UNTIL I heard him speak personally and realized he did no have horns, and really was a good man. Good night and God Bless:)

well if you listen to or watch National Public Broadcasting, at least we can both agree that it is much less sensationalized than fox news. and npb does not have any commentators that like to scream at the guests they bring on the show. it is less emotional… have a good night. God bless

and i'm not really interested in debating… i just want to reiterate that if you get a chance to read british or irish news, its enlightening. its good to read what europeans believe about american politics. it may shift your consciousness. Cheers!

Obama 2012 all yhe way!!!!!!

And you're an old know it all. She's simply making the point without all of the bible verses you put in your response that Mormons are not what you think of with a typical Christian person running for office. It was considered a big deal when Kennedy was elected because he was Catholic and Mormons are even further away from Catholics in terms of radicalism. They have their own book in addition to the bible which I would think the bible (and those who follow it) would consider blasphemous, they seem to worship a prophet (Joseph Smith) which is ironically similar to the faith of Islam (Muhammad), they used race as a reason for why African-Americans couldn't hold the priesthood until I believe 1979 and then when the government threatened to take away their tax-exempt status for meddling in politics (which they should have done with the prop 8 fiasco as well) the highest Mormon official came back with a "miraculous" statement from God that blacks were no longer considered inferior. By the way, Romney was in his early 20's when this issue within the church was taking place and he didn't condemn his church for waiting so long to take steps to remove their racism he instead let his church tell him what to think and when to change his thinking. Lastly, Mormons believe that the Native Americans are the lost tribe of Israel, have, in recent history, practiced polygamy, and believe the Garden of Eden will be in Missouri so they are a different kind of Christian. Some Christians (Protestants and Catholics) wouldn't even consider them Christian but would instead equate them to the circus faiths like Scientology as far as "out there" goes because depending on point of view, they seem to deviate enough from core tenants of Christianity as a religion.

Please tell me Patricia in your infinite wisdom and ability to understand a God that is "beyond our ways" is Obama the Anti-Christ?

Okay Patricia I want YOU to give a definition of what a Muslim, Marxist, Communist, and Socialist is without looking it up since you are making this claim, you should know what these words mean. Otherwise you are just posting buzz words that have been attached to Obama through right-wing journalism only understanding the scare factor that these words contain rather than the actual definitions.

Patricia Toney: We are not a Christian nation. If you read the founding father's quotes and their autobiographies you will see that the majority of them were either atheists (scary word I know), agnostics, or deists. Thomas Jefferson was quoted as saying this, "Christianity is the most perverted system that has ever shown on man." In fact Jefferson was particularly interesting because he wrote a book that took out ALL of the miracles and divine works of Jesus and put out a new book that kept in Jesus' teachings (as a philosopher) but not his supernatural powers because Jefferson believed those were all hoaxes. In the 1800s, Christianity hi-jacked the country so to speak. Did you know that "In God We Trust" did not appear on our coins until the late 1860's? And that it did not appear on paper money until the late 1950's (which you look like you're old enough to remember). This is all evidence of a transitional period within the country into Christianity. If we were a "Christian nation" there would be no need for the separation of church and state because putting the words "Christian" and "nation" together would mix church and state functionality. I know because you're a Christian you want so much to believe that this country is Christian but the fact is Christianity had a good run controlling this country, it is not giving up that control without a fight, but people have had enough of religion. It took thousands of years but people are sick of it and the tide is turning. Just like in Europe, Great Britain is becoming more and more secular as is France, Germany, and even Italy. Do some research please, challenge your pre-existing ideas, and stop painting yourself in such an ignorant light on your posts. – Sincerely, a "young know it all"

Im liberal…i believe in womens rights i believe in God…i was raised with very strict beliefs. Having raised 3 kids going to college and having worked i see the REAL world for myself. I was date raped twice and i am thankful that we have a president that if i had gotten pregnant from that rape that gives me as an american woman to decide for myself if i wanted to keep a baby from rape or abort it. I am not for abortion as a form of birth control but i am so thankful for my rights as a woman. Romney will take that right away…and that is just wrong…maybe u r rich idk…i know im not but we have our own business so we live comfortably. IT WILL BE AN INJUSTICE TO ALL WOMAN IF ROMNEY WINS…..STAND TOGETHER AMERICAN WOMEN!!!!

P.s. Pls dont quote the bible to me.

"Jesus wept"

Jessica Bingham : As I stated before, our President is not going to be our spiritual adviser, BUT he will be our President Commander-in-Chief. I don't care to hear your rhetoric/propaganda, I will not debate this with you no longer: Luke 9:3-5 He said to the apostles, "When you travel, don't take a walking stick. Also, don't carry a bag, food, or money. Take for your trip only the clothes you are wearing. When you go into a house, stay there until it is time to leave. If the people in the town will not welcome you, go outside the town and shake their dust off of your feet. This will be a warning to them." God bless America and Israel.

Elizabeth Hampton : God speed, and you have a blessed day.

Jessica Bingham : Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
I am a sinner saved by grace! And, as a Christian, I know that I am just an old sinner who was brought out of sin by the saving grace of Jesus Christ Who shed His blood and died for me and you.
Who am I? I am nothing! I don’t want to be remembered for any deed that I have done in the flesh of this world. I am an old sinner saved by grace (a gift of the Lord), therefore, “…by the grace of God I am what I am.” (I Cor. 15:10) Jesus Christ came into this world to save sinners (see I Timothy 1:15) Thank you Jesus
Jessicabecause of your attitude I will not debate with you anymore. God bless America and Israel.

Shannon Williams: I find this comment "very sad" that your most important concern is birth control, our country is bankrupt (owned by China), Economy in tank, Millions without jobs, children going to bed hungry and you think birth control is "most" important. It's an injustice that Obama has NOTHING to offer the people but free birth control and government handouts to the lazy that won't work to get their vote. An injustice the economy is so bad young college kids graduating can't get a job and moves back in with mom and dad. An injustice that 4 men were murdered and Obama called it a video/bump in the road, finally admitted it was a terrorist attack…Obama refused to supply our ambassador extra protection that he requested, and he died a violent death…this is what breaks my heart and makes me cry. I sympathetic with you being raped, don't understand the horror, but Romneys main objective is women using abortion for birth control. The bible says ONLY God can give and take life, I don't believe in abortion because there are so many women wanting babies that can't have them. Romney can't stop anyone from having an abortion, it's YOUR choice, and I really don't see what a little disagreement over abortion has to do with Romney running our country, he has the RECORD to do so…Obama's 4years has been disastrous and the America, as we know it, will be gone…his intentions is to make us all Muslim/Islam with him as King. God bless America and Israel and keep us safe. My consolation is that God ALWAYS has the last work…I trust Him!

Throwing out bible verses to think for you is not a debate, it's a pronouncement. It just makes you look like more and more of a fool with each post you make. I didn't present rhetoric to you I presented facts, which you were talking about above. But yes we can't truly debate if you don't know how.

In all honesty i didnt read all u wrote because u dont know me…its great to see u b such a NICE christian….abortion of course is not the facts here obama walked into a mess romney may talk a lot and he may right on some things but really? He is for the rich and honestly bush and bush left a mess for clinton…he cleaned a lot of it up…but the deficit school funding? Do u remember congress? His bills have to be passed first and here lys a lot of our problems..my son says the pledge of allegiance at school everyday and even says UNDER God….this is a right we have as americans and honestly….romney will no doubt get all the christians votes because it comes down to pro choice especially with the christians..or hey maybe ur racist?

Hey e….back me here lol this lady is um…well u know!

Jessica Bingham : The definitions I know, but are quite lengthy, but a better illustration is his friends: 1.William Ayers (weatherman underground), 2. Tony Rezko (tied to terror financing) , 3.Jeremiah Wright (militant/racist , 4. RailaOrdinga (Islamic cousin Kenya) 5.Louis Farakhan (anti-American racist) 6. Daniel Ortega (Marxist), 7. Raul Castro (communist), 8.Socialist Party USA (Marxist/Socialist Political party) 9. New Black Panthers Party (anti-American) and 10. Frank Marshall Davis, (member of communist party) ,who Obama refers to in his book as his mentor for years in" The Audacity of Truth " (mostly proven to be lies). I believe, after muchstudying and comparing Obama pictures with Frank Davis, plus his brother and sister from Davis first marriage, the resemblances are outstanding. Obama is eginning to get the dark spots on his face just like Davis has. Google it and put their pictures side by side, the SMILE is identical. Obama has a lot more Communist/Marxisst/Socialist friends from college and political connections. I am well read on Obama and I don't need to copy it. Our country and survival is at stake, I don't want to become a Islamic country, I have ONE God and that is my Heavenly Father the Creator of ALL. I would rather die than worship a Pagan god.

Shannon Williams : Why should I not quote the bible to you if you believe in God with strict beliefs. The word of God is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path to my path…I would get lost without it.

Patricia honestly u may NOT quote the bible to me. And do ya wanna know why? Chtistians like urself ruined that for me…i still have God he is always there…..im not gonna continue a fight with a very bitter person and if my son turns gay one day im gonna love him just as much…like i said CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITS…….oh dont forget the debate tonight and pls leave the bible fo the preachers!

Romney winning in the the polls in swing states, tied in Ohio now, in Pennsylvania 3 or 4 behind Obama. All the other swing states are Romney's, as of to date 10/22/12. The debate tonight should put the finishing touches on Romney, if something stupid doesn't happen, like another lie in the last debate, of which the moderator admitted she was wrong. God bless America and Israel.

Shannon Williams: My husband of 51 years is a Baptist preacher/pastor, retired. Shannon, you could not be further from the truth about me, I am not bitter, although I could of been if I let tragedies make me. #1 I lost my only daughter 5 years aogo , 32 years old, to suicide (shot herself in the mouth in my home) because of drugs/alcohol used by her husband, he raped her, beat a baby out of her…#2, I have a granddaughter who is gay, I am good to her and love and pray for her, but it does not change Gods word on homosexuals, or my son-in-law being a murderer, but God is a forgiving God and wants us to repent and turn to him for help. The word of God cuts ALL of us because God want us to try to be like him. I promise you, I do not think I am perfect, I ask myself all the time, what did I do wrong in raising my daughter tha she would die so tragically. Whether you believe it or not, my heart hurts for you right now, God gave me a heart of love and compassion to HELP people. I do not argue with anyone, this can be verified by the many church members we have pastored for almost 50 years. If your desire is for me to leave you along, I will, BUT I so enjoy helping girls, it kindas gives me motherly fulfillment. God bless you with happiness.

Shannon Williams; I'm so sorry you feel this way about me, I will leave you along. Blessings:)

Amen sister!..you tell em!..I am proud of you for standing up for yourself and your family!..

Hate to break this to you but God made homosexuals …. Yes some people are just born that way.

And all that alone is sad..but its about the land of the free…romney wins =no more freedom

Shannon I COMPLETLTY agree with you! And Patricia, you are the kind of bitter old lady who ruins lives by her bible thumping and self righteousness!

So Pat, Maybe we could just elect God or (Mitt and his LDS followers) as the president and we would all live happily ever after! Women like you give the rest of us a bad name! No opinion except what 'God' has told you is right! A bunch of crap! Women and gays deserve the same rights as you!

There is no freedom with Obama either.

@jennifer….amen! So true people dont recognize that much they think its a choice and this is not true..well said

Jennifer Brandt-May : Sorry, but you did not break anything new to me, God created ALL things good and what we choose to do with it is up to us.

Pamela K Davis : Davis is my maiden name, but I doubt there is any relation…just a little humor:) Call me what you choose, but I am happy with myself and people love me…that is the MOST important thing in life. I am leaving the thread, nothing is being accomplished with the hatred. May God bless America and Israel. God speed to all, and goodnight:)

Mormon does not equal Christian, but Mormons, and by reputation, Romney, have consistently shown a truer moral compass than Obama.

in all honesty i dont like debating. i feel like when we speak out of anger or "trying to be right" then everyone is in the wrong. … it is challenging, though, to debate with someone who is quoting the bible in a political debate. i can see quoting the constitution perhaps, but as there is clearly separation of church and state- why do people quote the bible when talking about politics? it's all fine and good to quote the bible to people, but it really is not appropriatein a political debate…… Can you imagine if romney or obama were quoting the book of mormon or the bible in order to win points in an argument?

Elizabeth, I believe Bree Collor started the religion conversation referring to Romney's religion not worshiping Jesus, and it keep escalating from there. I just want people to have jobs, food to eat and our country get back to what it used to be. The bible is much more a part of me than politics, I'm just worried about our country and want peace on earth. I truly believe you are a great lady and mean well. Blessings!

I have been around many children that have been born that way. I remember when my ex's 2 cousin was just a little boy he would speak and act very feminine and we probably knew before he did. Also my two boys attended an art high school where the student were open to be themselves and some of their closest friends are gay & I have had the privilege to be a part of their lives. They sleep over, go on family outings and we have never even considered it an issue at all! Matter of fact they were part of the gay straight alliance at their school.

In this day and age it should even be an issue!

Oh, Pat, is God voting now? Best of luck to him and Joseph Smith!

Bj Banks Who the fuck said anything about racism? Way to play the race card, you're the true bigot.

At no point do I see any racist comment by Ms. Toney, so how is she a racist/bigot! She just started a fact that he has been a failure a president! So how can you cast stones and call people names are you not acting as the racist that you advise her of being Ms. Banks, just because she its white you assume she judged him on skin color, when she was judging him on his actions!