Lunch Lady Fined $600 For Feeding Needy Kids? Township Explains The Reasoning
The lunch lady fined $600 per day in her township in Pennsylvania has been garnering a lot of attention this week — we reported on the issue two days ago — and while a fine hasn’t kicked in yet for Angela Prattis, it seems the township is determined to shake her down one way or the other if she continues feeding needy kids.
The lunch lady fined $600 lives in Toby Farms community of Chester Township, and during the summer — when schools that often provide needy kids with much-appreciated breakfasts and lunches are closed — Prattis provides as many as 60 kids in the area with boxed lunches as part of a subsidized program. The lunch lady’s program is funded by the state department of education and administered by the archdiocese of Philadelphia, and she explains how vital the service is for some of the children in her vicinity:
“I’m not stopping. These kids are hungry. I’m not tearing down the community. I’m keeping the children out of harm’s way… Last Friday, I had 20 children walk to my house in the pouring rain for lunch, and at 2 pm they came back for a snack. Tell me this program is not needed.”
It seems the lunch lady’s fine was the typical tale of municipality bureaucracy gone wild, and, indeed, a lot of it comes down to money — Prattis says that she will either be fined $600 per day, or there’s an alternative: To pay $1,000 for a special permit that allows her to feed the hungry kids.
Since the lunch lady fined $600 story hit national news sources, Bill Pisarek, the Chester Township business manager, commented to a local NBC affiliate to explain why the township seeks to levy the hefty fine. Pisarek explains:
“Basically the property is in an R3 residential zone… We’re not here to go after her, to hurt her, to take money from her or to prevent her from feeding kids that need the food.”
The lunch lady says that, until she has a chance to appeal the fine or ordinance fee, she plans to keep feeding needy kids lunch.
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Tags : angela prattis, archdiocese of philadelphia, charitable, chester township, church of the overcomer, education department, hungry children, low income children, meals to hungry pennsylvania children, needy children, Pennsylvania, trainer pennsylvania, underprivileged children, zoning laws
Posted: August 16, 2012
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Aug 17, 2012
This country was founded on back yard businesses. Now the friggin government wants to take food out of the mouth of children that probably won't have anything else to eat how much lower can they get before we the people get rid of them a9government).
Aug 17, 2012
AMEN!
Aug 17, 2012
Something seems to be missing from this story.
Aug 17, 2012
Bureaucrats at their best! Heaven forbid that this wonderful woman feed children who have nothing. Be sure to tax her, shut her down, fine her and make her an example. Hopefully there are enough sane voters left in your close-minded little burg to make sure that you are removed from office in the next election. As for the fine, I am sure that the real people of the US will be sending her plenty of money to cover your extortion.
Aug 17, 2012
Sad day in America when you want to fine a kind woman feeding our hungry American children. Since you want to fine her for feeding the hungry children in America how about those being fed in 3rd world countries from Americans should you fine them Americans also?
Aug 17, 2012
Typical uber-liberal bureaucrats without conscience or a soul. They should go and fine their mothers for bringing garbage into the world.
Aug 17, 2012
all part of Obama and the progressives plan, if you need something you have to get it through government, that way you are reliant and they get the votes and the power.
Aug 17, 2012
its about government control, the Dems want it this way because if you rely on them, you have to vote for them.
Aug 17, 2012
This is Obama and the progressives plan, if you need something you have to get it through government, that way you are reliant and they get the votes and the power. I know you want to believe otherwise but here it is in front of your eyes.
Aug 17, 2012
It's not about the money, it's a zoning problem! Riiiggght! Let her feed the kids for God's sake. What have we become, a nation of me, me, me, me! Someone want to help and they get fined. American regulation at its best! Very nice Comradski!
Aug 17, 2012
how stupid is that
Aug 17, 2012
I find it hard to believe that "uber-liberal" people are responsible for this outrage.I have lived in Chester and there are very few non right wing people there.They probably didn't want poor people around.
Aug 17, 2012
someone with money needs to come forward and help her and those babies! and a lawyer needs to sue the fuck out of the idiots trying to screw her over! unfortunately, I have no job so I cant do anything except speak my mind at this time!
Aug 17, 2012
This is do frigging absurd.
Aug 17, 2012
So**
Aug 17, 2012
send the bill to Ofluffers wife…she wants to feed the children the right way. she threw a bitch on leno for the girl that went to MCD. while she eats barbque. spends money on expensive jackets flies her family to Spain or where ever on our nickel. this is over the line. common sense does not prevail in our country and people say we are civilized. that's TOTAL BS….we have people killing people…come on Americans..take back our country of THE UNITED STATES. AND HELP THIS LADY. lets not ignore our people. Jerry in Lamar Colorado USA.
Aug 17, 2012
@ Gregory You have to be a stupid Liberal…It's the SAME Regulations the Dems are using on Corp.'s that allow this. It's the Dems that Love Regulaions….. Watch the Five on Fox…..Jim Beckel (Liberal) offered 0$ to Help her while Eric Bolling (Conservative) is sending her the $1000 for the Stupid Permits! The Chester Township has 77% African American Population…still think it's full of Conservatives?…You are IGNORANT! Read….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Township,_Delaware_County,_Pennsylvania
Aug 17, 2012
Well said Jimmicks! Well said.
Aug 17, 2012
@ Gregory You have to be a stupid Liberal…It's the SAME Regulations the Dems are using on Corp.'s that allow this. It's the Dems that Love Regulaions….. Watch the Five on Fox…..Jim Beckel (Liberal) offered 0$ to Help her while Eric Bolling (Conservative) is sending her the $1000 for the Stupid Permits! The Chester Township has 73.33% African American Population…still think it's full of Conservatives?…You are IGNORANT! Read….http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Township,_Delaware_County,_Pennsylvania
Aug 17, 2012
Some bureaucrat SOMEWHERE in that hierarchy has the authority to waive that charge! How far up does it have to go? Where is the BRAVE BUREAUCRAT that will take this on. Come on, bureaucrats, earn your keep! Waive this charge!
Aug 17, 2012
Dear Lunch Lady,
I am sorry we live in a land of screw ups that we have elected in our government. Let me be the first to say, I am ashamed of what we have become. God is watching your good deeds. Your rewards are far greater than most of us will ever achieve. You keep the faith and keep feeding those hungry children that gather at your door and if you have a website to collect donations for your fines, food or any other stupid politician law that is trying to make you stop what you are doing, I will be first in line to sign up and donate.
Yours Truly,
Lunch Lady Supporter!
Aug 17, 2012
And just because I know Liberals are Lazy and won't look up FACTS….. Here's another about Delaware County where this happened…A small portion of the county, mostly consisting of the areas around CHESTER, Yeadon and Darby, is in the Philadelphia-based 1st district, represented by Democrat Bob Brady. Yes the Township of CHESTER is Right wing?….lmao…Learn to READ Gregory
Aug 17, 2012
And just because I know Liberals are Lazy and won't look up FACTS….. Here's another about Delaware County where this happened…A small portion of the county, mostly consisting of the areas around CHESTER, Yeadon and Darby, is in the Philadelphia-based 1st district, represented by Democrat Bob Brady. Yes the Township of CHESTER is Right wing?….lmao…Learn to READ Gregory
Aug 17, 2012
How low can they go? This is just not right, and anyone who can't see it must be blind. Instead of trying to explain the reason for the fine, why doesn't somebody in that government get it eliminated.
Aug 17, 2012
How low can they go? This is just not right, and anyone who can't see it must be blind. Instead of trying to explain the reason for the fine, why doesn't somebody in that government get it eliminated.
Aug 17, 2012
They should just worry about people doing harm to the others instead of helping. Idiots.
Aug 17, 2012
trying to do the right thing seems to be the wrong thing to do nowadays.
Aug 17, 2012
Sounds like some bureaucrats need to be taken out and shot. Maby if we did this to stupid public officials they would stop doing things like this. God bless this lady.
Aug 17, 2012
its food service employee not lunch lad gees media.
Aug 17, 2012
WHAT?! Omg, this is so stupid -___-
Aug 17, 2012
I know right! They won't fine big banks and finanace companies for their illegal derivative products that have put the squeeze on many American family budgets, but they'll fine those actually to help the victims of these criminal rich, fat cats! Sickening!
Aug 17, 2012
There is so much "red tape" in this country it is ridiculous to call this a "free country" at all anymore. God forbid someone would want to feed hungry children… The government is completely out of control anymore. Permits for everything, zoning for everything, I swear we have gone backward.
Aug 17, 2012
OK, how do you sheeple turn an article about a kindly woman getting the squeeze by her 'burg, back to the POTUS and the First Lady? Hey, when in doubt, and having lack of argument, I'm just gonna blame the guy in office? Really? How about you take the time to educate yourself on the matters of the economy, and the ideas and programs that Mrs. Obama is trying to initiate, obesity is an epidemic, so put down your krispy kreme and that 2 liter of soda sitting in front of you, pull your head out of your ass, and stop blaming them for the woes of the country. We were in trouble before Obama came into office, and we will be in even worse trouble if Romney is elected. Regardless, that isn't even the issue here, the issue is a kindly woman doing the right thing, and getting pinched for it. Shame on you.
Aug 17, 2012
The problem with your argument Eric is that you cite Fox News as a legitimate source of information. That is like using Wikipedia to write a thesis. Of course, if I had not stopped at the Fox bit, I'd have notice your citation of wikipedia, and in that my case should be rested. I too have lived in PA, and have found out the hard way just how difficult it is to cut through the red tape that the elected officials have put up to stop people from living their lives, and in this woman's case, doing the right thing.
Aug 17, 2012
This upset me, I set up an IndieGoGo fund to help her pay this fine http://www.indiegogo.com/Angelaprattis.
Aug 17, 2012
This upset me, I set up an IndieGoGo fund to help her pay this fine http://www.indiegogo.com/Angelaprattis.
Aug 17, 2012
Well…whom should I cite?…MSNBC?…..CNN?……and other Lame Streem Media?…They are all biased and Fox is the closest to center… No Chris Mathews… "He sends Shivers up My Leg"…No Candy…. The Ryan Pick is a Death wish….I could zGo on and on…Wake up
Aug 17, 2012
So We See Amanda Loves the Nanny State…Fascism…. Lots of things are Bad for us…Do We need the Gov telling us What We can and Cannot do?……… Should they make sure I am Tucked into Bed and asleep? A lack of sleep is harmful to You… You Ma'am are a Socialist at the VERY LEAST!
Aug 17, 2012
Maybe instead of looking for a way to penalize her, the bureaucrats could spend that time and energy looking for a way to change their regulations so that her good deeds don't go punished.
Aug 17, 2012
I read Your other post…You are a Believer that the Government should tell us What we should eat…drink……..what next? …. You are a Fascist.. Where in the Constitution does it give the Power that You state?….. You Woman are an Idiot and I was sworn by My military service as was my 4 sons To fight against enemies of the Constitution….Foreign and Domestic!
Aug 17, 2012
BTW Amanda…This site Better For You?…. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/42/4213208.html
Instead of Rebutting what I say You act all…pshhh…I won't listen to those sites…I have Many More You Lazy Liberal… Rebut My Arguement…as You Cannot!!
Aug 17, 2012
BTW Again Amanda did I site Fox News as just News Fact?…Or Did Eric Bolling Really Do That?….You can Here is Eric Bolling's exact Quote… ERIC BOLLING, CO-HOST: Two things, number one, Mayor Nutter, what he tried to do is he said no feeding homeless independently because he was trying to literally starve the homeless in to shelters to get other forms of assistance, whether they need medical care, psychiatric care, whatever — ridiculous program. Mayor Nutter should let this woman help kids who need help.
The other thing is does she still have to pay 1,000 bucks?
PERINO: For a permit.
BOLLING: I'll do it. Find out where it is, check is in the mail tomorrow morning
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/transcript/good-samaritan-faces-fine-feeding-hungry#ixzz23mexy4iU
Watch Him Say it….. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/transcript/good-samaritan-faces-fine-feeding-hungry
Aug 17, 2012
Why is this even being made a liberal or conservative issue? Instead of dividing ourselves over issues that probably don't effect most of us that much (would you disown a child or having different political views? If the answer is yes please don't have kids) we should unite and help each other. Republican and Democratic politicians don't need anymore of our money for their campaigns, causes that they only believe in to be elected, instead we should just donate money to smaller groups that do the right thing. I hope she gets plenty of donations so she can continue her work.
Aug 17, 2012
Mr Pisarik, if he truly is a manager, should void all fines and do what needs be done to make it possible for this woman to provide this important service. Children are our future and how we treat them as they mature will come back on us when they are the town managers deciding if senior citizens deserve access to food when incomes are poor. There is no honor in this action by this township and it is my fervant hope folks will get donations her way so she can pay her fines and provide the help these children need.
Respectfully,
C.
Aug 17, 2012
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Aug 17, 2012
woot…ass getting kicked Yet?…Watch this pls….then Tell me what's not FACTUAL!…….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ
Aug 17, 2012
crying shame
Aug 17, 2012
Sad so sad, someone should sart a fundraiser to get her the $1000 she needs. I would chip in, its sick when so many people do wrong and somebody does something positive and gets a fine?
Aug 17, 2012
another waste of tax dollers. there is always a grey area in the law, the ritch should not be the only ones that are alowwed to use it. just stupid on every level.
Aug 17, 2012
Ordinances smordinances! Let this woman do her kindness! Damn politicos! Pisarek is a douche bag. He wouldn't get voted back into office or hold his job much longer – the people should rally to get rid of him!
Aug 17, 2012
Why does the lunch lady have the commodity food at her home? Why not feed them at the school where the commodities are stored?
Aug 17, 2012
I used to live in PA. Those A holes will tax, fine, charge you for everything. We had a "right to work tax". Yeh we had to pay a tax for the right to work. Unbelievable. But yet the state is going bankrupt.
Aug 17, 2012
Is there any ways we can come together and pay the permit fee and tell the town to go puck off? God bless you lady!
Aug 17, 2012
Right on, Kathryn. Reminds me of the quote, "What principles are you willing to stand by, even if it means detriment to yourself?" -Farrokh Mistree
Aug 17, 2012
This is the worst thing I have ever read in my entire life. I am going to write them a letter to let them know exactly how bad this looks for their community. I am also going to see how we can donate money to her cause. This is a sad day in America when "rules" supercede feeding needy children.
Aug 17, 2012
This is the worst thing I have ever read in my entire life. I am going to write them a letter to let them know exactly how bad this looks for their community. I am also going to see how we can donate money to her cause. This is a sad day in America when "rules" supercede feeding needy children.
Aug 17, 2012
This is the worst thing I have ever read in my entire life. I am going to write them a letter to let them know exactly how bad this looks for their community. I am also going to see how we can donate money to her cause. This is a sad day in America when "rules" supercede feeding needy children.
Aug 17, 2012
I am a lot of things, it is true, but I am not a socialist. Since when did doing the right thing, and helping out our fellow country men & ladies, turn our leaders into Socialists? Does that mean that the Social Security Admin was created by Socialists? Does that mean that healthcare for everyone makes them a socialist? Absolutely not! Why is it so bad that the POTUS wants to help those who can't help themselves? I know his healthcare reform has issues, but what doesn't? Selfish, selfish man.. just because people need help doesn't mean that we're automatically strapping them into their pod ala The Matrix…Why is it that you only sit there and call me names, that I am sure some ill informed tea bagging brute put into your little mind? Why can't you back up your argument? I'd be more than willing to listen to you then..
Aug 17, 2012
You sir, need a hobby.
Aug 17, 2012
get over it and let her do her thing, unlike you she is actually helping someone.
Aug 17, 2012
What an angel she is….. I hope that someone can step up and stop making this lady's life difficult. We need more like her.
Aug 17, 2012
I saw that clip on Leno. If you think that's a "bitch" fest – you are way too sensitive and stupid for words. Then again, the rest of your rant comfirms your stupidity.
Aug 17, 2012
Amanda Leigh Nelson , Eric Deltoro "likes" Michelle Bachmann, it's proudly displayed on his FB page. Anyone who gives the 'thumbs up" to Bachmann has no brain in their head, so forget the idea he'll be able to logically debate you. Besides, check out all his weird capitalization in his responses. Clearly, you're dealing with an uneducated (an uneducated Teapublican?? Who woulda thunk it??) individual. Save your breath.
Aug 17, 2012
Please…YES Socialized HEALTH CARE RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT…….wait for it…………..IS SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!! And Having the Gubment run Your Life Sure ain't FREEDOM! You Tard! Wow… I pray You don't Vote.
Aug 17, 2012
Please…YES Socialized HEALTH CARE RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT…….wait for it…………..IS SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!! And Having the Gubment run Your Life Sure ain't FREEDOM! You Tard! Wow… I pray You don't Vote.
Aug 17, 2012
Woot…You Ma'am Have No Arguement!
Aug 17, 2012
Woot…You Ma'am Have No Arguement!
Aug 17, 2012
Woot…You Ma'am Have No Arguement!
Aug 17, 2012
Woot…You Ma'am Have No Arguement!
Aug 17, 2012
Woot…You Ma'am Have No Arguement!
Aug 17, 2012
I started a petition to let these 'people' know that we care more about the kids than what kind of zone this lady lives in. Please sign it and let's get these jackwagons to listen! http://www.change.org/petitions/delaware-county-township-officials-allow-angela-prattis-to-continue-to-distribute-food-to-needy-children#
Aug 17, 2012
Jolaine Richmond wow all your facts in your rebuttle seem to have been….ummmm…nonexistent……you like "The Colbert Report" and "The Daily Show"…2 very unbiased shows……lmao….. Next!
Please argue with facts , I know that is hard for a Libturd… but please try.
Aug 17, 2012
BTW Jolaine, Obama likes Reverand Wright, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko (list goes on and on), so by your logic…. Me liking Michelle Bachman……..hmmmmm. Oh I see it only works in your favor. I wish I could have a debate with a smart liberal, but that's an oxymoron.
Aug 17, 2012
I SAY LET THE TOWNSHIP SUE THE STATE. THEY WON'T OF COURSE BECAUSE THEY WON'T PICK ON SOMEONE THEIR OWN SIZE. WE NEED MORE WOMEN TO DO THIS. SHE IS A HERO.
Aug 17, 2012
Bless you Ma'am. You're a Saint!
Aug 17, 2012
Wait – when did trying to help someone who is starving make someone a "socialist libturd"? If that's the case, then I guess I am one too. I donate to charities and help out the homeless when I can. I regrettably say this because I don't like to discuss my charitable actions (not Christian like) and I hate that I have to even donate to a charity. If our society really worked, people and animals and the environment would be cared for already. But sadly, we have people who want $$ and only $$. You think Romney will be better? Don't you recall what W did? 8 years of his "leadership" destroyed our country – and you think Obama's to blame? Really? Well, if Romney wins, I'll be thrilled to see where we are come 2016. I hope to say we are better off, but I have a feeling it will be far, FAR worse.
Aug 17, 2012
You really have no clue what happened to the economy, look up Community Reinvestment Act… The economic collapse was a long time coming. With all this subprime lending tha the Democrats made banks do. Read the Act….Home loans are 30 years long, just when was hat law signed? You really don't want to get into an economic discussion as You will lose.Do you remember the republicans…Bush and McCain warning us of the mess???? Freddie Mac and Fannie May? And Barney Frank saying "nothing to see here… move along"????? You really are clueless.
I'm not saying it's Bad to help the homeless, as do I. What I am saying is that Democrats as liberals also think with their Hearts and not Brains. It might sound good but it's not fully thought out. Lets House the poor… Intentions are good, but……Somebody's got to pay for it. As we see today.
Aug 17, 2012
You really have no clue what happened to the economy, look up Community Reinvestment Act… The economic collapse was a long time coming. With all this subprime lending tha the Democrats made banks do. Read the Act….Home loans are 30 years long, just when was hat law signed? You really don't want to get into an economic discussion as You will lose.Do you remember the republicans…Bush and McCain warning us of the mess???? Freddie Mac and Fannie May? And Barney Frank saying "nothing to see here… move along"????? You really are clueless.
I'm not saying it's Bad to help the homeless, as do I. What I am saying is that Democrats as liberals also think with their Hearts and not Brains. It might sound good but it's not fully thought out. Lets House the poor… Intentions are good, but……Somebody's got to pay for it. As we see today.
Aug 17, 2012
I will not change Your mind as You will not change mine. I see the President as a threat to America and our "Freedoms" He has accumulated more debt than all other Presidents combined in not even 4 years.
What do we have to show for it? Just remember You were paing $1.87 for a gallon of Gas when Bush left office….what is it now? And yet the Democrats claimed Bush was for the Oil Industry…lol How soon we forget.
I am off for now as I am going to see the Movie 2016, maybe You should watch it then we can discuss it…lol God bless You for all You do to help the poor and Homeless, as He will me for the same…
Aug 17, 2012
These local bureaucrats need to be flogged and not fed for a while and you would see how quickly the laws change. NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED. I have great admiration for this lady. What the hell are these elected officials thinking. Zoning what a joke. Vote everyone of these losers out of office.
Aug 17, 2012
Also please watch this as it is informative and entertaining….look up the facts he lays out it is interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ
Aug 17, 2012
I know. The world is ending because stupid people are taking over!
Aug 17, 2012
Change the zoning law so she can feed the kids! Politicians do it everyday to fit their "personal" interests. Have a meeting, take a vote to add an exception and problem solved. What would our forefathers think of this? SHAME! I'd like to see one person that regulates the zoning law turn their back on a hungry child looking into their eyes.
Aug 17, 2012
Change the zoning law so she can feed the kids! Politicians do it everyday to fit their "personal" interests. Have a meeting, take a vote to add an exception and problem solved. What would our forefathers think of this? SHAME! I'd like to see one person that regulates the zoning law turn their back on a hungry child looking into their eyes.
Aug 17, 2012
"Please argue with facts , I know that is hard for a Libturd… but please try."
Why should anyone argue with you at all? You aren't providing any good reasons, and you sure as shit aren't being remotely civil with anyone who even MIGHT disagree with you.
I also find it kinda funny that someone screeching about facts goes on to talk about god and orders people to watch youtube video for proof that Obama himself is directly responsible for raising gas prices and blah blah blah. Which is pretty funny because that goes against the "free-market" idealism you claim to strut around with.
Likely, you'd say, "well that's because Obama is a socialist" (which you can't prove, though I'm sure you got some youtube videos that are proving everything to you, lol). And if Obama had turned the presidency into a socialist regime I'd sure like to see you actually prove it instead of deferring to someone else to make the argument for you while you keep yourself busy with personal insults and other forms of bullshit.
Aug 17, 2012
"Please argue with facts , I know that is hard for a Libturd… but please try."
Why should anyone argue with you at all? You aren't providing any good reasons, and you sure as shit aren't being remotely civil with anyone who even MIGHT disagree with you.
I also find it kinda funny that someone screeching about facts goes on to talk about god and orders people to watch youtube video for proof that Obama himself is directly responsible for raising gas prices and blah blah blah. Which is pretty funny because that goes against the "free-market" idealism you claim to strut around with.
Likely, you'd say, "well that's because Obama is a socialist" (which you can't prove, though I'm sure you got some youtube videos that are proving everything to you, lol). And if Obama had turned the presidency into a socialist regime I'd sure like to see you actually prove it instead of deferring to someone else to make the argument for you while you keep yourself busy with personal insults and other forms of bullshit.
Aug 17, 2012
Obozo, Uncle Jessie and Brother Al will be commenting on this VERY SOON…wait and see…
Aug 18, 2012
Isn't it ONE NATION? I guess its one look out for themselves, its not like she is giving them drugs or disrupting their minds. For heaven sake she is making sure they have a meal every day. Is it really that bad to help out our children? The children that are the next future and will probably make a difference in this country!
Aug 18, 2012
Ido have a question for all of You Obama Lovers….. Where are Obama's College records?…Since they demand Romney's Tax records?… Ever wonder why He has spent so much to Hide them?… Could it Be His Grades were worse that Bush's?…. Palin's?…. Well… I wanna know…hmmmm
Aug 18, 2012
What do college records have to do with following precedent and showing us your tax returns? Especially when Mitt's own father did it! There is sufficient reason to be suspect of Mitt and his tax shelters, his Swiss bank account, and 13% taxes? ON what, exactly? What about his income taxes? His ONE PARTIAL released tax return is a debacle in of itself. Especially for a Mormon, believe me, as someone who was raised Mormon (before my transition into atheism, and I suppose I'd be you're "enemy" as I'm a democratic-socialist-liberal.
I was a Ron Paul supporter for quite some time, I don't care if you believe me or not. I've read Ayn Rand, I've read Ron Paul's presidential reading list, and I'm one of the few supporters-former or otherwise-that I know personally that has done so)
As for you supporting Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, you're either styaing willfully ignorant as to their blatant lying and flip-flopping. Or your hatred for Obama is clouding your ability to see just how much worse they are for the country than Obama ever could be.
Aug 18, 2012
Eric Deltoro, And before you say it, YES showing us your tax returns IS important. Especially when you'll be overseeing tax policy and talking taxes, and especially if you're going to be following the Ryan budget! I don't know why you think Reaganomics is so awesome or that the rich deserve more tax loopholes and more tax cuts, but trickle-down economics do NOT work. The Clinton boom years are NOT an effect of Reaganomics and there is a reason why every republican we've had in office in the past 30 years has led us straight into a recession. Obama didn't lead us into the worst recession in this country's history, Bush did. Furthermore Paul Ryan is PROVEN to have said he would refuse taking any of Obama's stimulus money, yet there is crystal-clear evidence that he did! Yet he continued to lie about it up until today and his excuse for "not being aware" of it either means he's horrible at overseeing the policies he wants implemented, or he's a liar.
Romney has flip-flopped more times than I can count off the top off my head. He implemented Romneycare (aka Obamacare) with great success, probably his greatest success as Governor. He left Mass. with a horrible financial deficit and all of this is right there for anyone to look up. Y'know, I know you hate Rachel Maddow and think anyone who doesn't listen to who you listen to is an idiot and who doesn't think like you is an idiot, but the fact that you don't allow yourself to be open to the possibility of being proven wrong basically says there is no debate with you. You've insulted virtually everyone on here that you've had a disagreement with, which shows your general tact and ability to debate is infantile at best.
I can only conclude by your behavior that you really don't want to help provide any information to me and the very notion of changing someone's mind is rather ridiculous in the first place.
You should present the facts as you see them, with civility, and then allow the person you're debating to do the same. But you just want to hammer-in your ideas and berate people with insults, and belittle them as you do it. It's absurd, dude. If you can't even apologize for your behavior why should I show you any of the courtesies that you're DEMANDING from myself and others? Courtesies you refuse to grant us. It's not your position that I find deplorable, it's your attitude and unwillingness to be open-minded in a civil debate.
My friendly advice to you is to tone it down, please. If you are as well-informed as you claim, it should be no problems for the two of us to have a debate. But something tells me the only way I could get you to act remotely civil with me is I came out and said "you're right, I am wrong, thank you so much!" At which point-at best-you'd likely pat me on the back with an "atta-boy" type of statement about how we all get led astray or maybe a little personal anecdote about your "conversion" to your way of thinking.
So go ahead and insult me, belittle me and others, etc. If that is how you get off or how you want to spend your time, cool, but you yourself said "I will not change Your mind as You will not change mine." and not only is that a horribly divisive attitude to take right out the gate, but it begs to question what you are doing here insulting and berating people in the first place since you just admitted you are not accomplishing anything. So why do it? Rage? (because we all know how rational one is when they are pissed off
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Thor bless you
Aug 18, 2012
Eric Deltoro " Lets House the poor… Intentions are good, but……Somebody's got to pay for it."
Exactly, someone has to pay for it, and either way, we as a society pay for it. With homelessness comes desperation, and if you are the type of man to verbally shit on someone for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their family then you have no claim to rationally, well-thought ideas either. This one line proves it as well. With poverty comes crime, and with crime comes policing and more prisons, more jailing, and we can see how well that is going. There are plenty of working models of democratic socialist policies that work quite well in other countries. Why is it we have 5% of the world's total population yet 20% of the world's prison population?
Your generalizations don't add up any more than your judgements, the irony being that you claim to be rational while clearly showing a huge anger-streak. Scientifically we ALL "think with our heads," the question is, how muddled is that thinking when clouded with emotion, and does the murkiness of your thinking (one based on hatred for all-things socialist and all-thing liberal) outweigh or even equate to one of thinking with empathy and sympathy? It's pretty clear to me which one is the more destructive and which one is the more helpful.
Aug 18, 2012
"Woot…You Ma'am Have No Arguement!"
Neither do you, you just berate people with insults and make grandiose assumptions about who they are, and write off any piece of information that comes from a place you might not like as instantly false. Which is NOT the sign of a critically-thinking mind. I'm sure you are more than capable of thinking clearly and rationally, everyone here is… Contrary to what you believe, as demonstrated in your many posts. And I'll be really curious to see if you rebuke anything I said above or if you'll go with the "I don't have time for this shit" defense, when clearly you do have time as evidenced in you insulting and berating half the people here with your divisive drivel.
So, if you respond to me with an insult, that means you have no argument, right? Unless you're cool with double-standards or think you're exempt from your own behavior thrown back at you.
Aug 18, 2012
wow…No answer to where or what abou Obama in college…Whay if You found out he was a Marxist?….. His final theisis was on socialism?….Hell Yeah His College Transcripts mean something….Are You Stupid?….Ummm… yaeh…You are…….He has NEVER been vetted like any other POTUS…..u are an Idiot……..Really…….Watch this….Your Odumbo is so smart he can't speak unless given he Words….Watch…and answer….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU
and follow with…
I don't know about You…because you probably hate christians…..but watch this outrageous claim by right wingers that Odumbo is a Muslim……Outrageous….lmao…
Watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMhB-CwF4yc
Aug 18, 2012
lmao….Boxing…You are a comic fan…lmao….sorry still laughing…ask mommy to buy more for you and get the Fuck back in her basement….lmao… Pay taxes then Speak! Please take me on, You are like a Box of Chocolates…..You never know what you're gonna get…..lol
I'mma share your profile…It is amusing….to say the least
Aug 18, 2012
Flip Flopping…Did I read that?….lmao…Wasn't it three years ago Obama was against Gay Marriage?…Now?……..ahhh…I see…Now You Love him…Not Then…..Idiot!
Aug 18, 2012
Boxing… You Stae opinions as I give FACTS w/ varifiable sites..I have yet to see You back shit up….do igt…You Dumbass Idiot…..I have…rebut on them
Yet you do like ur God Odumbo and Accuse… Please if You haver anything to rebut….FACTS!!!
Aug 18, 2012
So she is zoned R3..Residential. She is giving kids food from her house. I feed people at my house all the time and haven't been fined. Every holiday I feed around 30 people at my home! She isn't charging them for them for the food. What permit does she need to feed people at her home? This is ridiculous! What if she delivered the food to them? Would she need a permit for that? What if she took food to a bake sale at the school? Does that require a permit? Why does the "permit" cost $1000? So that a government employee can have a Christmas party or attend an expensive dinner?
Aug 18, 2012
seems like everyone wants to make this a political issue I think it just a stupidity issue we need to get this story out to all true caring citizens if I lived closer I would picket city hall the dumb sh– has to stop god bless you angela keep up the great work I'm sure the children love you.
Aug 18, 2012
This woman is a saint and will win in the end! Praise God for people like her!
Aug 18, 2012
I got a simple solution! Reelect NOBODY! Nuff said!
Aug 18, 2012
YOU CAN SELL GUNS ANYWHERE BUT YOU CAN'T GIVE AWAY FOOD.
Aug 18, 2012
Amanda Leigh Nelson I am a Tea Party member. Tea bagger? Brute? I disagree with Obamacare because it is on its way to being socialized health care. Look at Canada for proof. They have been coming to the U.S for decades because of the crappy healthcare. They have to wait MONTHS for an MRI and sometimes longer than that to even be seen by a doctor. They have much higher taxes to pay for it as well. I am not listening to the media for this information. I lived at the Washington/Canada border for 5 years and was a witness. That is the real deal. That is why I disagree with any socialized healthcare. However, the insurance companies are to blame as well. It is almost not affordable to have. But, my rates went up 7% when Obamacare passed. So, one way or another I am having to pay more. The difference is that I don't have to depend on government to approve me to go to a doctor. Too much beaurocracy exists. Example…the story above. Too many regulations exist for this country to remain healthy financially for all income classes. Have a good day.
Aug 18, 2012
That's some b.s. Lets fine this woman who is doing a wonderful deed for these children who's parents cant afford the food the need to keep them healthy. She's a saint and shouldn't be fined but given blessing from the community. If it wasnt for her these kids may never know what kindness and generosity really is.
Aug 18, 2012
If the zoning is a problem then paying the $1000 fee shouldn't be an option! Day care centers are in residential neighborhoods: seems similar.
Aug 18, 2012
If the zoning is a problem then paying the $1000 fee shouldn't be an option! Day care centers are in residential neighborhoods: seems similar.
Aug 18, 2012
If the zoning is a problem then paying the $1000 fee shouldn't be an option! Day care centers are in residential neighborhoods: seems similar.
Aug 18, 2012
This is a DISGUSTING abuse of governmental power, and just another reason that things in this country need to change – and FAST! Would the Founding Fathers agree with her being fined? This country was founded upon Christian morals, and Jesus HIMSELF even took time to feed the hungry. God bless her!
Aug 18, 2012
wait wait wait wait wait..hold up… to starve a kid is a crime…and now to feed a group of kids is a crime as well? what's next? charge the mailman with trespassing?
Aug 18, 2012
RIGHT CUZIN! A trip!
Aug 18, 2012
I praise her efforts and that of the program to provide food to those hungry kids for it's not their fault they find themselves in this particular situation. What does enrage me is that the parents of these kids are not able to provide for their own children. I work. I struggle to provide for my own family but I do it and make every effort to ensure they are fed, clothed and have the best care I am able to provide. It's not about race, color, creed, heritage… It's about doing what you should for your own children.
Aug 18, 2012
I praise her efforts and that of the program to provide food to those hungry kids for it's not their fault they find themselves in this particular situation. What does enrage me is that the parents of these kids are not able to provide for their own children. I work. I struggle to provide for my own family but I do it and make every effort to ensure they are fed, clothed and have the best care I am able to provide. It's not about race, color, creed, heritage… It's about doing what you should for your own children.
Aug 18, 2012
Also Visit ABidthatGives.com Feeding hungry kids worldwide is our mission. If she needs help with the 1000.00 permit please let me know…..we could all help her. 224 Facebook people times 5.00 and its paid!
Aug 18, 2012
Also Visit ABidthatGives.com Feeding hungry kids worldwide is our mission. If she needs help with the 1000.00 permit please let me know…..we could all help her. 224 Facebook people times 5.00 and its paid!
Aug 18, 2012
Okay to all you MOVIE STARS that help other countries…here it is in your own backyard. What you going to do now?
Aug 18, 2012
What is less-sanitary, eating out of the home of a kind lady or having the kids be so hungry that they dig out of garbage cans? I am a ServeSafe-certified professional chef, and believe me-the answer is clear.
Aug 18, 2012
It oversimplifies things to say just let her do it. I wonder of parents would have that same sentiment if one of the kids gets some kind of food born illness? Then the same folks will be crying "why wasn't she properly licensed etc.
Aug 18, 2012
Thank You Angela Prattis, there is a special place in heaven for wonderful people like you..Please post some information on how some of us may donate some money for food..
Aug 18, 2012
Thank You Angela Prattis, there is a special place in heaven for wonderful people like you..Please post some information on how some of us may donate some money for food..
Aug 18, 2012
lol..i know this woman…she bought her house with the help of my housing program…a very kind soul!
Aug 18, 2012
Wow…small world!
Aug 18, 2012
agreed!!
Aug 18, 2012
agreed!!
Aug 18, 2012
The problem is safety. How do they know she's using proper temperatures, cooking techniques, etc. To have a "business" like that, you have to have a separate kitchen from your own kitchen, that has a completely different access. Also you have to go about getting inspecting by the USDA.The laws are for her safety, and for the safety of the children. I am in culinary arts, finishing up a catering degree. So I do know what the laws are concerning preparing food in your home.
Aug 18, 2012
The problem is safety. How do they know she's using proper temperatures, cooking techniques, etc. To have a "business" like that, you have to have a separate kitchen from your own kitchen, that has a completely different access. Also you have to go about getting inspecting by the USDA.The laws are for her safety, and for the safety of the children. I am in culinary arts, finishing up a catering degree. So I do know what the laws are concerning preparing food in your home.
Aug 18, 2012
Amanda Leigh Nelson it's a trip. wow. right in the article it says the problem isn't that she's doing it, it's that she doesn't have the permits to do so. Just like you couldn't just decide to open up a restaurant in your own home without the permits. but people don't want to see how it's the same
Aug 18, 2012
In SoCal the school sends home a form which asks how much income is the household in order to qualify pupils for free school lunches. There are so many cheaters. The lunches are stale anyway.
Aug 18, 2012
Anyone set up a fund to help pay for the permit to stay open? I'll gladly contribute.
Aug 18, 2012
The United Way has given kids back packs and pencils after the P.T. A had given them back packs and pencils. That's back packs and pencils all over again. The kids need a break!
Aug 18, 2012
Somewhere over Los Angeles are primary schools which have no crossing security guards. The burrito rules!
Aug 18, 2012
I see no stir like the Whiskey Rebellion here.
Aug 18, 2012
Forcing a child to their room without their supper is painful retribution.
Aug 18, 2012
In Vernon, CA, the city council would tow away cars and give themselves outrageous pensions and salaries.
Aug 18, 2012
In Vernon, CA, the city council would tow away cars and give themselves outrageous pensions and salaries.
Aug 18, 2012
Yeah well she is also backed by the archdiocese, why didn't they know about this rule? Yeah it does seem stupid.
Aug 18, 2012
what does your comment have to do with my point of view?
Aug 19, 2012
Amen, Farrah Dufrene! Unbelievable!!!
Aug 19, 2012
My question is about her being fined because she lives in a residential zone… aren't most SCHOOLS in a RESIDENTIAL zone?
Aug 19, 2012
WTF????…..seriously???
Aug 19, 2012
WTF????…..seriously???
Aug 20, 2012
Wowww! The people who fined this woman, should be FINED FOR ASSAULT AGAINST HUMANITY.
Aug 20, 2012
Wowww!!! The people who fined this woman should be FINED for ASSAULT AGAINST HUMANITY.
Aug 21, 2012
how stupid…(sigh)
Aug 22, 2012
Nice going, atheists!
Mar 24, 2013
I'm sure the 1000 will easily be covered by donations so this can be done legally..i feel she's showing off a little LOOK AT ME, I FEED CHILDREN..I'M A SAINT..so do it in quiet and God will reward you….