What do you do if your child wants to be a Girl Scout? You take your child to the troop leader to sign-up. This is a different case though because Bobby Montoya, a 7-year-old boy from Denver wants to be a Girl Scout.
Montoya’s mother Felisha Archuleta spoke with 9News in Denver and revealed her conversation with the Girl Scouts Troop Leader:
“What’s the big deal? She said, ‘It doesn’t matter how he looks; he has boy parts, he can’t be in Girl Scouts. Girl Scouts don’t allow that, and I don’t want to be in trouble by parents or my supervisor.”
Vice President of Communications at Girl Scouts of Colorado released their statement, saying:
“Girl Scouts is an inclusive organization, and we accept all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members. If a child lives life as a girl and the family brings the child to us to participate in Girl Scouts, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her. Girl Scouts of Colorado respects the privacy of all girls and families we work with. When a family requests membership for their daughter, we do not require proof of gender, we respect the decisions of families.”
Given that in this case it’s the decision of Bobby’s family to bring him in to Girl Scouts, then the child seems like he’s getting his wish.
How about you? Would you allow Bobby Montoya, a 7-year-old boy to become a Girl Scout?
No I don't think he should be allowed to attend girlscouts, Its intended fpor girls to bond and form friendships with other girls. what's this boy going to have in comin? he should attend something for young men first and also it should be up to the other girl scouts to see if they approave of a yound boy attending with them.
I was a Girl Scout from Brownies on up. My brother and male classmates were Boy Scouts, Eagle Scouts, etc. That is why there are two different groups. I think the mother is just fishing for publicity.
I don't think boys should be allowed in girls scouts either because the girls scouts teaches that you don't have to be with a boy on every activity. this helps teenager girls to realized that they can have separated activities and not be depended on males for everything..
Let him in if they are raising him as a girl and he feels like a girl-make the child happy.
I do not think a boy should be able to join Girl Scouts, they should have to join Boy Scouts…the two key words here are Girl….Boy!
what about the girls on the girls club? what if it makes them unahppy for a boy to attend. you have to think about their feelings as well!
MAN UP PARENTS! BOYS GO TO BOYSCOUTS GIRLS IN GIRLSCOUTS! BE A PARENT AND SAY NO TO THE KID THROWING A TANTRUM. WOULD YOU ALLOW YOUR CHILD TO STEAL IF IT MADE HIM HAPPY. HECK NO!
it's a very complicated situation for sure
I don't think so- the scouts exists for boys (Boy Scouts) and for girls (Girl Scouts)… Why does he want to join the girl scouts? Are his parents trying to make a "statement" by using him? Seriously that is what is wrong with the world. Kids need to be kids, and parents need to stop living their lives through them. Maybe mom didn't get to be a girl scout when she was little?
sorry gang, I can't agree..this is obviously a little girl trapped in a boy body…it will kill his self esteem if hes not allowed…hes different and they need to respect that, especially at this young delicate age.
The 'world' is trying to make everything acceptable and that's why our kids are growing up with no morals and self-worth. Sad part is..this may turn out like evrything else and go through for the fear of a lawsuit.
yep
What about a few years from now when he wants to go to Girl Scout camp? It doesn't matter one little bit if he "acts" like a girl, dresses like a girl, or plays like a girl, wouldn't want my daughter bunking, dressing (and possibly showering?) with HIM. It's inappropriate and would also, I'm sure, make some girls uncomfortable.
Gee doesn't seem that I saw a father or any form of male role model in this kids interview? lets see we live with mom hmmm wonder why acting like a girl seems normal? and who here really thinks a 7 yr old is pushing this issue that much? sounds to me like mom wants the attention that these issues bring her.
come on man! This is an out rage! This is crazy why would you OK for your child to go threw so many things at a young age? He has so many other things in life that he is going to have to deal with and this shouldn't be a war to fight! If you want a girl go adopt a girl or have another baby, and another thing they never showed his father! Where in the hell is his father in all of this? Teach him by the bible on what's right and what's wrong.
Absolutely not. What's wrong with Boy Scouts? They do great things! If this boy wants to do "girly stuff", Mom can do it with him. What if the girls are discussing issues like puberty, sexual development…boys? They are entitled to privacy amongst themselves. As I recall, talking with my girlfriends about such things was a huge part of growing up and understanding myself. These conversations deliberately excluded the boys. Girl Scouts is for girls. The rules are the rules.
I think the parents should get a grip on themselves. He is a BOY! Girlscouts are for GIRLS! Boyscouts are for BOYS. Does he think he's a girl? If so he still needs to be sat down, explain the differences between boys and girls and told that in life there are rules that need to be followed. I'm so sick of always being told to be politically correct!
The boy scouts have to accept girls. The same as VMI and the rest of the all boys schools but now these boys are getting even and want in these all girls places. So who's right and who's wrong. To me it should have been left alone but who am I to say.
That is just sick and twisted! The mother is disgusting for corrupting this boy. What a shame. The kid is growing his hair like a girl. Throw the mom in a nut house and give the BOY a good life. This kid is going to grow up being made fun of and shot. So sick! It's called Boy Scouts Bitch!
Oh why don't we just make all the scouts co-ed and then it wouldn't matter. (Sarcastically speaking) Come on people….he's a BOY and BOYS belong in BOY scouts. A girl in a boys body..oh please…only if his mama treats him like a girl. Yes there are (boys) men with more feminine qualities and traits….that does not make them FEMALE. There are girls who are tomboys…they are still GIRLS….equality of the sexes does not mean merging of the sexes. This is getting ridiculous.
And stuff not shot!
Come on! girls fight and go to court to play football, go to military academies and everything that set up gor boys. Why not let boys do the same thing. Put your child in his place and yourself in the place of a mother. You want what is best for the child and want them to learn. Is your pride so strong that you would make a child be unhappy to make yourself look good.
Kill his self esteem? You are kidding right? What about right and wrong? Proper and improper? You can't build his self esteem as a boy? He's different? How so? Because his mama treats him like a girl instead of a boy? Don't give me his sexuality crap either….at the delicate age of 7 sexuality isn't even an issue. Kids go by what they live and see and are taught.
does this mean they will have to add boys restrooms to all camps and add boys cabins and he would have to camp alone and have boys showers and locker rooms at camp
Just a thought but when I was little I was in Camp Fire and have been a Camp Fire leader for many years. Whenever I'm asked what Camp Fire is my reply is that Girl Scouts are for girls, Boy Scouts are for boys and Camp Fire is COED! We earn patches, have camps, go on outings, foster relationships that can last a lifetime, teach girls and boys to be strong self respecting individuals and sell the best dang candy on the planet…
they are born that way.
HIS SELF ESTEEM OR LACK OF IS OBVIOUSLY HIS PARENTS TO BLAME YOUR ONLY THINKING OF ONE CHILD, WHAT ABOUT THE GIRLS AND HOW THEY FEEL!
YOUR ONLY THINKING OF ONE CHILD, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER GIRLS THAT WOULD HAVE TO SPEND TIME WITH A LITTLE BOY? AND AS A MOTHER WE HAVE TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN THE WORD NO! FOR EXAMPLE WOULD IT BE OK FOR HIM TO GO TO A LITTLE GIRL RESTOOM AS WELL… I THINK NOT
I think he should be able to join….It would be good for the boy to…so what if he is a he…boys and girls play togeather all the time…this is no diffrent then that.
Get a life, holy crap you people, is this what the world is coming too? Girls belong in girl scouts, boys in boy scouts, give me a break, oh hell lets just go co-ed and end all this stupidity.
Norma Robins WHEN YOU GOTO A PUBLIC RESTROOM ARE YOU AWARE IF EVERY WOMEN OR CHILD IS ACTUALLY A GIRL? THIS LIL BOY HAS THE RIGHT TO SHOW HOW HE FEELS ABOUT HIMSELF.
My 22 year old son was living with only me and his sister as I was a single mom and my son didn't turn out to want to do girl things.
I didn't think that girls could join the boy scouts, I know that women have been den leaders (and actually knew one). I read that some boy scout troops have allowed females to participate with certain activities as "guests" because their own local girl scout troop didn't offer the activity or that it was easier to combine the two groups. In Australia, they are called scouts, as part of one organization and then broken down into whatever troop they should be in, cubs, brownies, girl, boys, etc. It's crazy. As far as VMI goes, it's a military school, and therefore, since females are allowed in the military, they should accept the women, and treat them the same as the men
Linda Jones I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU. KIDS DO KNOW WHO THEY ARE AT 7! I HAVE A 12 AND 9 YR OLD SONS AND THEY KNOW PERFECTLY WELL WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR LIFE. MY BOYS ARE IN CUB SCOUTS AND BOY SCOUTS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THE GIRLS DO IN GIRL SCOUTS ALSO. IF MY BOYS WOULD OF WANTED TO BE IN GIRL SCOUTS I WOULD OF LET THEM. PEOPLE NEED TO LOVE OTHER PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE, NOT FOR WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE!!!
If this little boy was put in boy scouts the other boys would bully him and treat him badly, I don't see what the big deal is. Let him be who he is, and if he wants to be a girl scout… then let him!
Jenni Nicewanner in response to your last statement, so where does the line need to be drawn? he is 7 he should be in boyscouts not girlscouts. and also i seen small children with their mothers in the womans restroom, HOWEVER THEIR NOT 7 OR OLDER… And the boy is just that a boy! Who is he to say? why arent you giving the other girls who attend a voice? what if thry dont want a boy sharing their group or thoughts? sounds to me like maybe he needs some couseling!
I wanted to be a boy scout. I thought they got to do more fun stuff than the girls
I feel for the little guy but he is a boy and just because he wants to be a girl does not entitle him to the perks that go with being a girl. So no, he shouldn't be allowed to join the Girl Scouts.
I'm sure if he is a girl trapped in a boys body, he isn't going to pay one bit of attention to your daughters, nieces, or any other girl. I see nothing wrong with letting HER in. So much for understanding and equality in this nation. Teaching him by the bible? That has nothing to do with it, Jesus said love everyone, duh. How his mom treats him? Nothing either. Its WHO he is. Find a different excuse to cover your bigotry and hate.
I think he should be allowed, when I was in boy scouts the exact opposite happened and she was allowed to be in boy scouts-women and men are supposed to be equals… so he better be let in.
Virginia Bell Really it's about the same.
so sick on so many levels!
There are women firefighters and cops. Before this wasn't allowed because they were seen as men's work. I don't think its harmful for a boy to do arts and crafts with girls. Lots of boys across the country are more interested in girly things. They suffer and even committ suicide when they hide it. There have been stories of 5 year olds who talk about sucide. I dont think its a parents influence.
Let the girls decide than Norma
Okay first of all Norma, I don't think the girl scouts would want to be percieved as uninclusive in today's world. There shouldn't be a boy scouts orginization or a girl scouts orginization, It should just be "The Scouts." An group of both genders that enjoy the same things as gender specific groups, 4-H sound familiar? Secondly Brad, What's wrong with having to build more buildings to accomodate people? It would increase American jobs in construction, Architecture and many other job industries, Advertising companies would have more products to sell to people. What you people need to realize is what it means to be a true American, UNITED on ALL fronts. Inclusive as a people we would be stronger, How about you focus on actual PROBLEMS that pertain to our countries safety such as terrorism. Or even the economy, NOT a transgender boy who just wants to be himself, And when did you two become so entitled? It's not your life and it doesnt hurt you in any way shape or form, Get off your high horse and embrace life, love & people. Otherwise go to 1950's soviet Russia where your ideals are more appropriate. It's disgusting and truly pathetic to believe you would deny someone of just being themselves. Ever been told to grow up? Well here you go, GROW THE FUCK UP.
couldn't of said it better myself jenni..my sons are big, burley,hunters, athletes, love women, and also knew who they were by age 7..its not about sex, its about how you feel , and whats in your BRAIN..already!!…..at this age too!
Sorry but I was in the girl scouts. There was no way they would let a boy sleep in the same tent with us. That's the way that it should be. You really think his delicacy will be better protected by girls? You don't think they will harass him just as bad as the boys, when they discover he is gender confused?
Norma Robins when i was questioning about the women and children in the restrooms i was talking about transsexuals. There are a lot out there and you would not even know even if they were standing right next to you. Kids this age usuaually don't mind playing and hanging out with other kids their age no matter what
sex they are. Kids she be brought up to respect how others live. That includes transsexuals, or gay people!
No, he should not be able to join girlscouts, he is a boy he needs to learn boy things go join boy scouts. What kind of parent alows there 7yr old son to dress and act like a girl. I think by the parent doing this you are asking for a hard upbringing on your child. He was born a boy treat him like a boy raise him like a boy. Not only that you can not expect all the girl in girlscouts to just be ok with a boy in there group what about there morals, I beleave they learn right from wrong in girlscouts and there is a bilble base teaching in girlscouts. If god wanted this boy to be a girl he would have made him one.
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Let that boy base who he is on what everyone around him thinks. And children at that age just regurgitate what their parents say and think, so if that troupe has parents like you, he will be judged and ostracised just because he's interested in girl things. He probably has everything in common with those girls and nothing in common with young men. It still amazes me the stupidity and ignorance that is out there. Thanks for reminding me.
You're a moron if you think that joining an organization is the same as letting your child steal.
Sexual identity crisis. Look it up and be informed before you speak, becaue you're ignorance preceeds you.
YES TO ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.
Jenni Nicewanner My whole point to this comment is this. your sticking up for one boy, what about the girls! what if they dont want to share their camp with a boy,, and i personally think the boys mom just wants attention! so my opnion is he should give the boy scouts a chance and then go from tgheir, why is he or his mom discriminating against that first without giving it a chance? o well enuff time spent on this! he is a boy he is 7 i think he shouldnt be allowed in girlscouts. good day to you all
OMG! SELF ESTEEM..REALLY??? and I suppose the cub scouts would then have to start letting girls in too? Good luck with that! There is a purpose for these programs..to teach self esteem and team work…one for GIRLS and one for BOYS! Are you telling me a parent should pack his p.j.s because he wants to go to a girl slumber party? Perhaps someone should sign their daughter up for football practice with the guys too! I was a tomboy myself and loved football…I didn't understand completely why as a child.. but I'm glad my parents did what was best for me so I could become the woman I was and be proud of it! It's these wimpy parents who can't seem to teach appropriate things to children..he needs to go to a doctor for help..not girl scouts.
so what happens when your stuck in between a boy and a girl?…do you feel they shouldn't belong anywhere?
Dennis Nissen your a moron if you didnt understand my statement! get a clue he is a child, wheres the parenting at? sounds like a attention getter to me
Linda Jones – it amazes me how people try to make other's views just like theirs. Your sense of right and wrong was obviously distorted by bigotry and judgements. Sexuality crap. Everything in your life from the moment you are born fuel who you are as a person and how you identify yourself sexually. People tend to feel who they are at an early age and choose to go with it or ignore it based on the reaction they get from the outside world…mainly their family. I thank God that boy has an understanding mother that wants whats best for him instead of someone like you who would just try to change them into something else.
Dennis Nissen like wise!
Wow…bigotry and hate huh? Because someone points out anatomical diffrence? Wow. The bible teaches us to love everyone, yes. It teaches us to love everyone not everyone's actions. You go ahead and love the actions of rapists, murderers, ect. The Bible has nothing to do with it? That seems to be the problem. That being said, everyone has a right to free will, but in this situation you're forcing will on the other girls and you're infringing on their rights as it is an exclusive club.If he researches he'll find there are co-ed alternatives such as 4H. Noone is saying he shouldn't be able to live as a girl. That is the freedom he and his mother deserve to have. The other children in the group also deserve freedom and to let him in would force it upon them. Sexual orientation in America is accepted by the general public for an individual to be homosexual, heterosexual, or bisexual, that's not a problem and not the debate here. The fact that he is a boy is and last time I checked I couldn't use the women's restroom. Should I be enraged because I couldn't use the women's restroom when the men's was full? Does the fact that I'm not allowed to go into the the women's restroom translate to inequality? Would he not feel excluded when he has to shower,use restroom, discuss human development,ect.?
that was fantastic dennis..god bless you for accepting people the way they are..regardless.
Dennis Nissen who are to say its a sexually identity crises? geeeeezus where will this end?
Norma Robins. I understood your comment. And it seems like the parenting there is fine and she's defineitly involved enough to know her child and support him no matter if he's different. Your statement is still stupid no matter how you look at it. He throws a fit because social norms don't include him in what he likes compared to throwing a fit because he wants to steal. Stupidest comparison ever and you're the ignorant a$$ defending it!!
Amy Fikes for the record there are boy scout groups that have allowed girls to join. Plus there are diffrent sports that were originally "boy" sprts like foodball that girls are now excepted in also. I think it's awful for parents to tell their children that they're not allowed to do something just because of what sex they are. That makes the parent no better than a racisit saying someone of one color of skin is better than another!!!
Norma Robins. Thanks for agreeing you're ignornant and stupid.
Norma Robins who are to say there isn't. Where WILL this absurdity end?!?! Certainly not with you because you are going to defend your ignorant point of view until you die. And the news report started talking about transgender issues, dumb a$$
..especially in the eyes of a child.
Norma Robins what you mean to say is, what about the other parents who don't understand and don't want to understand? Down with anyone who isn't the same as everyone else.
Norma Robins I think Dennis is correct. A young boy who feels like a girl wanting to join girl scouts is hugely different than stealing! Stealing is a crime. Joining an organization is a fun activity that is supossed to be offerered. They're not supposed to discreminate.
Norma Robins wants to give a voice to the majority, because they aren't heard loud enough. Nevermind the minority. Stomp them out because what they want doesn't matter! The majority counts and that's all!
Amethyst G. Blackstone Not that I think he should be in girl scouts. I don't have any issues with transgendered people, but at the same time it's a gray area that would be really confusing to try to explain to other children, and that's not a position that scout leaders should be put into. Unfortunately, the kid is odd-man-out so to speak. He doesn't belong in either group, because 1) he doesn't identify with other boys, and 2) he's not actually a girl. No matter where he ended up, the outcome would be less than stellar. He'd catch all kinds of cruelty in either group, because he just wouldn't fit. Kids are mean, no way around it. Then, the mother would have ample fodder for another media fishing trip, because naturally she'd pin the blame for her child's abuse at the hands of other children on the the scout leaders and organization, the other children, children's parents, etc. etc. ad nauseum, when in fact the blame would be no one's but her own for not recognizing the potential for things to turn sour for her child.
I didn't say that YOU did sherry. I think they need treated for the problem with medicines that could help balance out the hormones or whatever causes them to feel that way. Talk about self esteem..what about how its going to make him feel if he's allowed in girl scouts and the girls whisper to each other and laugh at him..like children will do? Is that what he needs? Just because he's allowed in doesn't mean he'll be accepted anyway. Take the olympics for example…there's a reason there are women's and men's events. Our bodies are what distiguishes what we are as far as male or female…just because our feelings may not be what it should be doesn't make that person a female if they were born male or a male if born female. These people can attach parts or take them off and take hormone pills whatever..it STILL doesn't change what they are…just in appearance or personality.
Virginia Bell Hear, Hear! I have to agree with you on that.
I have to say I agree with you Dennis well at least on your first and last comment there
Jenni Nicewanner for the record..I'm aware of these occasional times where they have to give in to keep from hurting somebody's little feelings. This has nothing to do with race! To say that parents who don't allow their kids to do anything they want is the same as racist is the most outrageous thing i've ever heard. Whatever! ( I can see it now..at football practice…It's so hot and some of the guys start taking their shirts and stuff off…ah c'mon susie…its ok..you can take your shirt off too!) oh and by all means it should be ok to be a female high school football coach ladies…you could hang out in the boys locker rooms when their running around taking showers and such..don't forget to tell em' "good job" as you slap them on the ass! No need trying to explain anymore to some of you foolish people!
with a bit of respect, becuase we ALL deserve it, you should do some research, you'll find actual facts amazing.
I have to say that I agree with Norma with the "Boys join Boy scouts" & "Girls join Girl Scouts"…That's just how it is. I can understand a young boy maybe feeling like a little girl on the inside, and playing with dolls at home, etc., and more power to them! But in certain situations/senarios there is Girls or Boys..If a boy feels like a woman on the inside he can't use the women's restroom…if he feels like a girl on the inside in HS he can't be in the girls Gym class just because that's how he is feeling on the inside, to just name two things. If you are born with a penis (u are a boy) wheather u feel like a woman on the inside or not. I would never judge someone on how they choose to live there life, but Girl Scouts has never been Coed, nor has Boy scouts and the name's basically speak for themselves.
I have to say that I agree with Norma with the "Boys join Boy scouts" & "Girls join Girl Scouts"…That's just how it is. I can understand a young boy maybe feeling like a little girl on the inside, and playing with dolls at home, etc., and more power to them! But in certain situations/senarios there is Girls or Boys..If a boy feels like a woman on the inside he can't use the women's restroom…if he feels like a girl on the inside in HS he can't be in the girls Gym class just because that's how he is feeling on the inside, to just name two things. If you are born with a penis (u are a boy) wheather u feel like a woman on the inside or not. I would never judge someone on how they choose to live there life, but Girl Scouts has never been Coed, nor has Boy scouts and the name's basically speak for themselves.
Let the boy do what he wants…if he wants to be a girl scout let him it is better than being beat up or killed in boy scouts…haven't we learned anything from that horrible Larry King tragedy in Oxnard , CA? come on people….
Norma Robins he will be their BFF…believe me..boys like him end up being bullied
the line needs to be drawn at prejudice people and at prudes. People like this are what gives other countries the thoughts that they can take advantage of The USA. If everyone thought the way the prudes do we would be in one hell of a mess. But you don't think about that. Boys have rights just like girls do. And there was a case where a girl fought to join the boyscouts and she won.
I have to say that I agree with Norma with the "Boys join Boy scouts" & "Girls join Girl Scouts"…That's just how it is. I can understand a young boy maybe feeling like a little girl on the inside, and playing with dolls at home, etc., and… more power to them! But in certain situations/senarios there is Girls or Boys..If a boy feels like a woman on the inside he can't use the women's restroom…if he feels like a girl on the inside in HS he can't be in the girls Gym class just because that's how he is feeling on the inside, to just name two things. If you are born with a penis (u are a boy) wheather u feel like a woman on the inside or not. I would never judge someone on how they choose to live there life, but Girl Scouts has never been Coed, nor has Boy scouts and the name's basically speak for themselves.
Jenni I agree with you. Like I said prudes and prejudice are ruining our country. so is supporting other countries when we can't even take care of our own. BTW you're welcome to add me on Facebook.
It's one thing for young boys to wonder what it's like to be someone of the opposite gender, but it's something else for them to act like one and identify oneself as such.
Are you kidding? ABSOLUTLY NOT! He should NOT be allowed to join girlscouts, he is a boy. And shame on his mother for even considering it! Children are and do as they are taught. Who cares if he cried because he was told no. Children need to be told no sometimes. Thank GOD that woman said no. Someone needed to say that some things are just not appropriate.
Sherry Miller Mccready I think you need to read the Bible.
Jenni Nicewanner Its not discrimination. Its GIRLSCOUTS!!! Last time I checked that means girls, not boys. He is not a girl, no matter how much his mother would like for him to be a girl, he is not a girl. If the child is not ever told "no" then he will grow up thinking he can do anything he wants to with no consequences. would you want your daughter having sleep overs with boys? Some things are just not appropriate.
Dennis Nissen I think you need to stop and look in the mirror. While you are sitting here calling everyone who disagrees with YOU names, you just stated YOURSELF that children at that age just regurgitate what their parents say and think. So where do you think this little boy, who is still too young to even really KNOW who he is, got the idea that he's a girl. From his mother. She should be ashamed of herself and so should you.
AMEN!!
Sick
Take that poor boy out of that home.
Dennis Nissen : Everyone has a right 2 their own opinion and if it differs from yours and you comment, why don't you do this in a pleasant way instead of name calling and being rude & sarcastic?
oh i know what it says…its also said jesus loves the children..regardless of their diffferences.
Sherry Miller Mccready yes he does. But GOD did not create adam & adam or eve & eve. It was adam & eve. And I will assume that you know the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. In case you don't, you can read it in Genesis.
sooo what about sitting in judgement?..see it gets pretty twisted, depends on how you want to interpret the bible ma'am.
The bible would just screw him up even worse. He has enough problems without the goddamn bible.
I have gay/lesbian/transgendered/ect friends, all of whom I am extremely CLOSE with. I myself am straight, but I do not judge anyone based on their sexual orientation or whom they love. With that being said first and foremost, and as I live in America, I am entitled to MY OPINION. I believe this little boy(whether he is a girl trapped in a boy's body or not) should be allowed into the Girl Scouts. They teach different things than Boy Scouts(such as cooking, domestic things, cleaning, HomeEc, sewing, to the Boy Scouts camping, survival things, ect)But I also agree with the woman below me, Linda Jones. People should co-ed this whole Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts thing(I know the obvious problems((merging older Boy Scouts and older Girl Scouts on camping trips. Let's not be stupid here.)) but teach Girl Scouts what you teach Boy Scouts and vice versa, so there's NO reason why there should be a huge problem) It'll teach young Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts valuable lessons of respecting each other as a gender instead of this ridiculous immense divide between boys and girls and there's this gigantic problem of the genders being separated. We as a society pride ourselves now on equality of the sexes, so frigging act like it.
Dennis Nissen You won't get anywhere with people by calling them ignorant and stupid. It makes you look like a royal ass.
What so many of you are neglecting to realize is that sex and gender association are 2 different things. Who decided that just because you have a penis that you cannot like pink or want to play with dolls or other traditionally female activities? Gender roles are dictated by society, and we all know that there are people that just don't fit in with the general "norm" for many reasons. This child, like all children, just wants to find a place to fit in. All anyone thinks about is how they feel about this situation, not about how difficult it is for people like this kid that cannot be accepted as they are.
Norma Robins Did you blame your parents for everything. do your children blame you. You probably believe it is the teachers place to rear the child and not the parent. Lay I hav pity on you ignorange and prejudice. You want to teach him that he isn't wanted because of his gender. I wouldn't want a prejudice and prude like you in any organization I belong to
Dennis Nissen lol, you amuse me! my opinion is my opinion and your is yours. no points in argueing with a stranger who is just as hard headed as my self!
Dennis Nissen again i think she is just seeking attention! my view is mine and no one can change it with out good justification and i havnt seen it yet lol
good day
Dennis Nissen and i find it more amuseing you feel free to comment on all my post on here, again my view is my view you and no one else will change it! and leave your potty mouth to someone else please! i didnt need to incluse that language with you so please dont incluse it with me!
June Baldwin Jeter thank you june! iam glad someone else seen that besides me
does not need the girl scouts, needs a psychiatrists – it and its parents for allowing this
Dennis Nissen dont switch my words dennis save that for someone else you try that on!
First of all Norma, I'm pretty sure that in today's world the Girl Scouts wouldn't want to be percieved as uninclusive, It goes against a LOT of what they believe in, There shouldn't be a girl scouts or a boy scouts they should just simply be called, "The Scouts" A place for girls and boys to enjoy the same things. I don't see a probpem with the way 4-H runs their programs. Secondly Brad what is so bad about building more buildings to accomodate people? It would create more jobs for the unemployed so unless you have a problem with that then.we could always hire some illegal immigrant right? The primary thing you two have to take away from this is what it means to be a true American, United on ALL fronts we are a stronger people. Not to mention we should focus on really important problems that pertain to this country, sucu as terrorism and the economy. NOT a little transgender boy who just wants to be like everyone else. Let her be! Its not your life and it actually doesn't hurt you in any way shape or form. So get off your high horse and learn something called Respect. No one wants to be treated like they are less than anyone else. And if you don't like the UNITED states of America then travel back to 1950's soviet russia where your ideals are more appropriate. Geesh!
Who are norma and brad?…
Two extremely uneducated bigots on this page.
Being a parent of two boys, I must say, WTF is going on with this kids parents? Take that child to a doctor and make sure their isn't some kind of a hormone imbalance or something if this 7 year old boy is persistent on acting more femanine. At least they might get some questions about this child answered. It is the parents who teach kids about what boys are like and what girls are like. What is this boys mother teaching him? She could let him grow up a little more before she starts confusing the child.
Nowadays I don't think it much matters your gender to participate in any activity. They have let girls play all types of sports that boys were only aloud to play. Also I if a girl wanted to join boyscouts I bet ppl won't be making such a fuss. Is it bc its a boy who wants to join girl scouts? I mean really if the situation was reversed I bet it would be allowed. I don't believe there should be any discrimination shown to our children bc of their gender. What does that teach them bc your not a certain, gender age, race, height, weight etc…. You can't do something?? As a parent/ role model you should encourage your children to do anything that they choose too. Isn't that what we always say to them….when you grow up you can be anything you want to be but….wait except for this…..
you might also worry about the girls who may be interested in your girl scout for more than just first aid! lol
Most sports are coed these days and have been. I agree with telling & encouraging your children they can be whatever they want to be when they grow up, but I highly dought they would choose to be a scout as a profession…but maybe. When it is an organization like the scouts, there is a boys & a girls. Like the redhat society…that is a club for woman… I don't really see how it is discrimination when it is a girls "club" and they are saying no you can not join…sometimes life is tough & there is certain things in life that you can not do if you are not a certain age, gender, height, weight…. sometimes that's life.
I agree with the first person. Girl souts are for girls boy scouts are for boys. They set up girls scouts after boy scouts was started. The reason being is to impower WOMEN!!! If you want to be a scout go to the boys scouts.
Nobody is perfect! Might be a lot of kids out there like Bobby, but he's the only one who speaks up, People has to be accept the way they are without any inconvenience, and really is not nobody's fault. If on any documents stipulate the GENDER of the individual even though is making sense, it wouldn't be any problems…
June Baldwin Jeter. The two things aren't the same. Regurgitating what your parents say and think about other people is very different from a child feeling different on the inside because of a sexual identity crisis. I will look in the mirror and be proud. My anger arises because I see the ignorance and hate that that little boy has to deal with and it reminds me of what my daughter goes through. She is a girl who wants to be a boy. She's not a tomboy, she actually beleives she should have been a boy, and it doesn't come from anything but her own view about herself and her body. So when people like Norma talk smack about something they truely don't know anything about, it really gets to me. All in all, I stand by my analysis of her statement: her comparison is retarded and doesn't make any sense. His mother shouldn't be ashamed, you should be. You look down your nose at people who aren't the same or different, and she doesn't. What shold she be ashamed of, supporting her son and loving him unconditionally? Or fighting for his rights as a transgendered youth? I don't know why I'm trying to convince someone like you to be understanding and compassionate. But, if it weren't for your tunnel vision, you wouldn't have any vision at all.
Norma Robins You amuse me as well, or else I wouldn't have bothered fighting with you. It's good to fight for something you're truely passionate about. My opinion is well educated about the issue because I, as I mentioned before to June, am going through what that parent is going through. I handle it much like that woman because I believe my daughter shouldn't be judged. I also believe she has the right to do the things that she likes. I have three children and she's the only one like that, and both parents are in the home, so it's not a parenting issue. It's easy to blame that boy's mom because she's a single parent, but how do you explain my daughter then? You and June's opinion comes from judement and ignorance, so excuse me if I don't put much stock in what either of you think.
Susan Vallow McCauley. You're right, everyone is allowed their opinion no matter how wrong they might be. I'm allowed my anger as well, and that doesn't allow me to be congenial to those I find repugnant. I find it impossible to be anything but rude and sarcastic when I encounter people as judgemental as Norma. I feel like a broken record talking about ignorance, but that's all I see. Opinions fueled by the lack of knowledge replaced by bigotry and judgement. I refuse to be nice to ignorance!!!
Susan Murphy yay for you! We should all teach tolerance and fight ignorance!
Norma Robins, as I said in a previous comment to June, your biggest advocate…without tunnel vision, you wouldn't have any vision at all. How can you see anything to change your mind when you can't see anything but yourself and what you believe in? The only reason I fight so hard against you is because I believe people like you are EVERYTHING that's wrong with society. You hide behind your bigotry and call them 'opinions'. You make judgments about the situation and call them your 'beliefs.' And you're right, you will never change and nothing I can say will matter. But if I stop fighting then you and everyone like you wins.
Teach him by the Bible. Where in the Bible does it teach PREJUDICE? And that is exactly what this is. It is sexual prejudice. I read a post on Facebook today about a girl being allowed to play flag football with boys. I don't see any of you saying that it is wrong for her to play in a sport with boys. What about them having to share a lockerroom with a girl? Same issue as what is going on here. But you prudes and prejudice people will think this is alright. Don't try to tell me that there is something in the Bible about a little boy being wrong for wanting to be in the girl scouts. I won;t debaye the Bible with you. My grandfather was a minister for 60 yrs. I know my Bible. And have probably read it backwards more than you will forwards.
June Baldwin Jeter…There is a difference between regurgitating the opinions of others and feeling dysphoric. You have no idea what it's like to be trapped in a body you don't identify with. And you don't know what it's like to be a parent to a child like that. I can look in the mirrow and be proud to know that I stood up to bigotry. You should be ashamed of yourself to judge. It's easy to look at that woman and judge her. She has nothing to be ashamed of. All she did was love her child unconditionally and support him no matter how different he is. I'm glad he has her as a parent instead of someone like you who would berate him and make him feel bad for who he is.
You're right, we should say no more. No to hate! No to bigots! No to anyone who justifies their judgements! And yes, we have to say no to ignorance! Say no to intolerance! No to those without compassion and understanding! No! No! No! No to you!
Dennis Nissen , you dont know me or my vision? you know i only disagree to have a boy in a girlscouts! you call me a bigot, i think that you hide behing your bigotry.and you judge what i can see or beleive in! And so you have judged me based on your beleifs! please save your useless words and sentences for others. because your no differant than me just your opinion is!
Norma Robins. We are so much more different than just our opinions. I don't make snap judgments about a complicated issue and blame parenting and say, "They're just seeking attention." Your anger must be clouding your judgement, because you don't make any sense. I'm a bigot because I believe you are one? So what you're saying, in other words is, "I know you are but what am I?" I believe in compassion, and that's why I defend anyone who has the courage to stand up and be who they are no matter who believes otherwise. You want to stop someone from doing something because of what YOU believe, and you call me the bigot? The definition of a bigot is; one who is narrrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices. The keyword here is INTOLLERANT! My views on the issue don't stem from intollerance, yours does. I'm vehemently appauled that you have the audacity to say we are the same!!!
Susan Murphy susan yet your the one be predudice against me and my beleifs! And i dont care what you think! and why would it be the terachers place to rear him???? your just being a idiot of your own words! so dont twist mine to satisify your own twisted judgemnts of the boy who wants to be in girlscouts…your just a idiot as well…
It doesn't matter what anyone says. They will except him in weather anyone agrees or disagrees, because he "lives his life as a girl " He is 7, he is a boy and should be made to go to the boys scouts as a trial as well, so their ISn't ANY JUDMENT AGAINST ANY SEXUALITY! that way BOTH organizations and both GENDERS GET A EQUAL CHANCE they deserve!
Norma Robins, we are way more different that just our opinions. I'm not the one who makes snaps judgements about a complicated issue and blame parenting and say things like, "I think they're doing it just for attention." I think your anger is clouding your judgment because you're not making sense anymore. I'm a bigot becausee I think you're one. You might as well say, "I know you are but what am I?" Your 'beliefs' want to prevent someone from doing something just because YOU think it's wrong, but you're calling me the bigot? The defintion of bigot; One who is narrrowly or intolerantly devoted to his or her opinions and prejudices. The keyword is INTOLLERANCE. Your views and opinions are coming from a place of intolerance, not mine. I am vehemently appauled that you had the audacity to say we are the same!!!
Coby Chason The reason you would go into a women's restroom would be alot different than the reasons of a transsexual. Hate and bigotry are the issue. You say you don't have to tolerate people's actions. All right, good point. But what harm is his actions really causing other than making people feel uncomfortable because he's different? Going against social norms isn't anything like rape and murder and that's a problem with people's thinking. They automatically refer to the worst things possible to compare it to to justify a point. Just because the boy scouts and girl scouts have been seperate for so long doesn't mean it's right or should be accepted. Bobby shouldn't have to go to a co-ed group if it's not what he wants to do. That's like saying local dinner theatre is just as good as Broadway. Or going to a college game is just as good as the NFL.
SUSAN, first what we are going to do is have an intelligent debate! Second the Bible will never teach prejudice but it does however speaks of prejudice and how it brings about confusion, and since you know your Bible you know anything that brings about confusion it's not of GOD. You probably did read something about a girl playing FLAG football or football for that matter, but that is a sport not where the backing of the SPORT is to teach little girls (IN THE GIRL SCOUT) and boys (IN BOYSCOUT) HOW TO SURVIVE WHEN THEY BECOME AN ADULT. In Girlscout the girls sit around a camp fire in their intimate time and talk about girl things, they also teach girls to become young productive women by other women, and the same for the boy scouts for men and boys! No, in the Bible it doesn't speak of "a little boy being wrong for wanting to be in the girl scouts" but it does speak of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah so if your Uncle forgot to leave that part of the Bible out; here is the scripture for YOU TO GO BACK AND STUDY SINCE YOUR AN ADULT NOW AND YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOW KNOWING THE REAL WORD!
…sorry I couldn't possibly leave without giving you the scriptures Genesis 14:1-3, 14:8-10, 34:3, oh yeah by the way blessings be unto you and who surrounds you!!!!!
Susan Murphy SUSAN, first what we are going to do is have an intelligent debate! Second the Bible will never teach prejudice but it does however speaks of prejudice and how it brings about confusion, and since you know your Bible you know anything that brings about confusion it's not of GOD. You probably did read something about a girl playing FLAG football or football for that matter, but that is a sport not where the backing of the SPORT is to teach little girls (IN THE GIRL SCOUT) and boys (IN BOYSCOUT) HOW TO SURVIVE WHEN THEY BECOME AN ADULT. In Girlscout the girls sit around a camp fire in their intimate time and talk about girl things, they also teach girls to become young productive women by other women, and the same for the boy scouts for men and boys! No, in the Bible it doesn't speak of "a little boy being wrong for wanting to be in the girl scouts" but it does speak of the city of Sodom and Gomorrah so if your Uncle forgot to leave that part of the Bible out; here is the scripture for YOU TO GO BACK AND STUDY SINCE YOUR AN ADULT NOW AND YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOW KNOWING THE REAL WORD!
…sorry I couldn't possibly leave without giving you the scriptures Genesis 14:1-3, 14:8-10, 34:3, oh yeah by the way blessings be unto you and who surrounds you!!!!!
Tarshalovenme Watts Hagan well obviously you didn't pay attention to the post or you would have seen that it was my grandfather that was the minister. I'm not going to get into a pissing match with anyone. this is the future of our nation and people that don't let children learn are the ones that will suffer in the end. You raise your children to be prejudice if you want and deal with the consequences later. And people wonder why so many kids ger in trouble. They buy them video games and never let them expierence life.
Eric Whisee Sanders yes it is about bonding. it is also teaching them how to get along. no wonder men and women divorce like they do. they are taught to be jerks and witches by their parents. Have a good day all and enjoy your life. let this kid enjoy his.
Susan Murphy I think you make good sence in some respect,and I think you have a good heart,but the girl scouts is not what the boy needl,for that he should be placed in an invironment that would be more appropriate to his needs as a boy!!!remember you claim to know the bible backwards so say somthing that would make biblical sence.
When r u leaving to go to Colette's for 'Dinner'? Can I ride with u?
Dennis Nissen . There is a difference between arguing and debating. The only way to have people respect your opinions is to debate rather than argue. In a debate, you need to be civil and not attack other people's opinions. I'm not saying this to down your views or the way you express your opinions, but rather to encourage you to express your thoughts in a way that cause people to focus on the issue at hand rather than on your language and approach. More will get done that way.
In addition, I'd like to express my opinion on this subject.
Point #1: Clothes are made by man. Man decided who would wear what clothes. Man markets sparkley things to girls and dark clothes to boys. What we accept as clothing is entirely up to the society as a whole, so I don't think there is anything wrong with the boy dressing with the style of a girl.
When it comes to children, my question is always this: If we we lived in a 3rd world country where men and women dressed similarily, would children have this much of an identity crisis? If we lived in a country where women were required to cover their hair and faces, would men still want to cross dress? When it comes to the child's feelings, is the issue that he only enjoys dressing in girl styles and playing with girl toys or is it deeper to the point where if all of those things were taken away he still would want to be a girl?
If we lived in a country where men had the majority power and women were submissive, would he still want to be a girl? If we lived in a country where women were frequently and acceptedly raped by men, would he still want to be a girl?
If a person can answer yes to those questions, I feel that they might be truly transgendered….but the desire has to go past the physical things….the man made things….the things society says 'this is for boys and this is for girls' ……Even for transgendered status, it has to go past the sexual things….
Especially in children of a young age, who I hope don't even know what sex is yet…..But really….I think that the focus of this particular family should be less about trying to get there boy into girl scouts and more about trying to make boyscouts more accepting of boys who like girly things.
At this point, I feel that parents in society are so confused that they are pushing their children to go ahead and take on the identity of the opposite gender….but really I feel they should just be teaching their children that it is okay to be a boy and like girly things and push for more tolerance that way rather than having them switch identities….because at a young age the only thing kids know is the physical stuff.
The way girl scouts responded is that the boy will have to have the identity of a girl before he can join. So I feel that they should have him join boy scouts as the boy he is, liking what he likes, and dressing like he dresses.
Stacie Layne Jones you put that perfectly. I think everyone should read this because then it will make them think. That was worded beautifully. I appreciate the way that you have stated this. I am sure others will appreciate it also. Thank you.
I feel sorry for the child. But I do not think he belongs in the girl scouts. @ Dennis Nissen, you are a rude man. Everyone has right to their opinions yes even you. But why don't you bring your manners with you next time you post instead of your bad attitude towards women!
Dennis Nissen That no way to treat a lady! It is no wonder that you are still single. You probably in closet guy hiding computer accusing smart people of ignorant.
Dennis Nissen is still single and don't have kindness for lady.
Sherry Miller Mccready- SERIOUSLY? so your telling me nature made a mistake when he was given male genitalia but a female spirit? This is exactly why we are in this mess. NO child should even be concerned with their "sexual" identity at age 7, and the parents need to grow a backbone and get his little behind in order. When he asked that, it should have been explained why he shouldnt be allowed, and why it is an organization for girls, then they should have drove him to the boy scouts.
Tarsha Watts Hagan Obviously you didn't read the post. My grandfather was the minister. And he preached long before you and I were both old enough to know alot of things. Each person worships differently and interpets differently. Who are we to even say what Christ looked like. None of us were around when He was alive but yet everyone seems to know. I see pictures all the time of what people say he looked like. It is people that stereotype others that cause alot of problems. You say I am wrong. Who put you on this earth to judge me. It surely wasn't God.
Being confused about your sexual identity does not have to do with sex in the way most people are looking at it. They are confused with their sexual identity as in being male or female not with what sex they want to have sex with. Yes, I believe "nature" can make mistakes as human beings do as well. We have progressed immensely as human beings and we have the knowledge and technology to change things in the world. Just because something has always been a certain way does not make it right. How is it right to tell a child to bury their head in the sand and ignore who they really are and go in living their lives in pain just to humor the ignorance and fear of the world.
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I hate the entire human race.
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