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Marines At US Embassy In Egypt Were Not Given Live Ammo, USMC Blogs Claim

Posted: September 13, 2012

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U.S. Marines who attempted to protect the American embassy in Egypt were faced with a big problem, they were not given access to live ammunition.

In multiple reports, including posts on several USMC blogs collected by kforcegov.com, Ambassador to Egypt Anne Patterson “did not permit U.S. Marine guards to carry live ammunition.” At least one report claims “She neutralized any U.S. military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy.”

When asked about the live ammunition situation Time magazine’s Battlefield blog reported:

 “Senior U.S. officials late Wednesday declined to discuss in detail the security at either Cairo or Benghazi, so answers may be slow in coming.”

If correct the move would be directly against the goal of protecting US sovereign soil. According to the report:

“She did not defend U.S. sovereign territory and betrayed her oath of office. She neutered the Marines posted to defend the embassy, trusting the Egyptians over the Marines.”

It is the right of U.S. ambassadors to determine if US Marines carry live ammunition. A course with the GOP national security advisers office tells the Free Beacon:

“In the end, the ambassador of any country has the final call on what to do in a country. The buck stops with you. You make every decision.”

That same source says security protocols typically change from one locale to another.

The Cairo informant quickly noted that the attack on the US embassy in Cairo took eight hours to complete and it would be hard to believe that nobody during that time questioned the chain of commands decision against live ammunition.

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Posted: September 13, 2012
James Johnson

By James Johnson









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39 Archived Responses to “ Marines At US Embassy In Egypt Were Not Given Live Ammo, USMC Blogs Claim ”

  1. Marines with no bullets! What incredible foeign policy! I guess the idea is to have our soldiers to say "sorry" real loud when facing terrorists..pathetic leadership.

  2. Once again, some nutless, gutless would-be politician (ambassador) screws the pooch. She should be tried for treason, and put up against the wall…

  3. Just think. People might of lived if those marines had live rounds. Should be tried for murder.

  4. OMG! WTF?!

  5. Lisa Stalcup
    Sep 14, 2012

    The Defense Department doesn’t play a leading role in embassy security. That’s a State Department responsibility, which State often supplements in conflict zones with contract guards. Marines are typically stationed inside embassies as security of last resort, and a core part of their responsibilities is to protect sensitive government documents, rather than repel assaults.

    And the State Department may reduce its reliance on the U.S. military even more. Paul McLeary reports for Defense News that the diplomats want to spend $1 billion over five years to purchase a fleet of small, unarmed surveillance drones like Ravens and Shadows to increase their situational awareness around embassies. The State Department’s Iraq embassy, the largest and most heavily fortified U.S. diplomatic installation in the world, already uses drones, and even has its own hired air force.

    Little said that the military stands ready to help secure embassies beyond Tripoli should State determine that demonstrations, whether spurred by bizarre anti-Islam films or otherwise, threaten diplomats. And he left the door open to aiding the hunt for the Benghazi killers at the FBI’s behest. “Rest assured that this department is going to work very closely with our interagency partners to help investigate if we’re called upon to assist,” Little said, “and we will play our part to get to the root of what happened here.”.

    Additionally, Little addressed a meme circulating online that the Marine guards at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo were not issued ammunition for their rifles during Tuesday’s raucous demonstration by Egyptian protesters. Little said he’d seen no evidence that there was any truth to the story. Now the Marines are firmly shooting the meme down as well.

    A Marine email circulating to lawmakers curious about the story — acquired by Danger Room and confirmed as authentic — says bluntly that the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group in Cairo “were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons.”.

    The security newsletter NightWatch published a claim that the U.S. ambassador in Cairo, Anne Patterson, prevented the Marines from loading their weapons. “Thus she neutralized any US military capability that was dedicated to preserve her life and protect the US Embassy,” the newsletter claimed.

    Untrue, the Marine email states: “The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.”.

  6. sooooooo….they dont repel assults, but protect sensative documents……from what would you protect the documents from,….rain….maybe moths……do you even listen to yourself…..what would security of the last result be doing to whom or what….protecting paper.. with rubber bullets…..funny thing on the way to reality, do you think the intruders will be armed with rubber bullets, and if you have to protect the documents with rubber bullets, do you think that will stop them,,,,,,,,moron……4 people are dead, because idiots like you think alike, librals and democrates…….

  7. The Marine Corps says that the Marines at the embassies have and can use live ammunition. By passing along the unsubsantiated rumor about unarmed Marines, you are likely jeopardizing the lives of people in U.S. embassies around the world. Terrorists and nuts might believe you and be encouraged to attack our diplomatic outposts. You feel good about that?

  8. then we need to ask politicaly correct people like you.. where the hell did I get the information ,maybe Im clairvoint, but I would have to assume that those morons attacking the embasy pretty much figured that out all on their own ,four dead americans, to no dead moslums….dahhhhh

  9. Aaron James Smith
    Sep 15, 2012

    @ steve clyburn I don't see obama confirming it or not kind of fishy wouldn't you say.

  10. Aaron James Smith
    Sep 15, 2012

    @ steve clyburn I don't see obama confirming it or not kind of fishy wouldn't you say.

  11. The claim that Marines had no ammo applies to Egypt. The deaths took place in Benghazi, Libya at the U.S. Consulate (not the embassy, which is in Tripoli). There were no Marines at the consulate. Facts help matters.

  12. Is that a pile of crap thats the way it is in all embassy's and if they have live ammo they have to get premission to open fire thats BS

  13. Obie Edwards- As has already been pointed out, the deaths took place in Libya not Egypt, which is where this story is talking about. I suggest you take basic courses in both geography and English so maybe you won't look like such a fool.

  14. I guess the question then is were the two retired navy seals unarmed? I find it hard to believe they could not have killed any of the attackers unless they were not allowed to carry weapons. In which case I think retired navy seals and other service men should stop taking jobs with the State Department.

  15. "Terrorists and nuts might believe you and be encouraged to attack our diplomatic outposts" I say bring it on. We'll weed em out.

  16. Will you weed out the terrorists before or after they kill more Americans overseas?

  17. Read what the Marine spokesman said. Do you have better facts?

  18. The story is about Egypt, the people that were killed were in Libya so your little rant makes no sense.

  19. David. H. Drake- Why don't you think before you post, this story is about Egypt and the people that were killed were in Libya.

  20. Rich Sarino
    Sep 16, 2012
  21. Rich Sarino
    Sep 16, 2012

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/cairo.asp
    read that first, numb nuts. had marines been in libya, they would have died fighting to protect those 4 people. marines were not assigned

  22. Rich Sarino
    Sep 16, 2012
  23. Rich Sarino
    Sep 16, 2012
  24. Aaron James Smith
    Sep 16, 2012

    Never stated a fact. Why didn't they use it then how come there are dead Americans is because another restriction in ROE that prohibited it.

  25. Aaron James Smith
    Sep 16, 2012

    Oh ya mr. Fact check that's talkin about the embassy in Egypt by lybia.

  26. Thanks for the effort, Rich. I don't believe some here grasp the concept of verification of facts.

  27. I say get out of the area and protect our borders with live ammo

  28. Why do you belive snopes they were found to be politically sensored last year making lies to fuel there causes

  29. Why were there no marines killed? can anybody tell me why the people put there to protect didnt die trying to do there job. I belive there was no ammo thats why no marines were killed. They are soldiers they are not stupid enough to show up at gun fight with a knife

  30. Escada Es
    Oct 12, 2012

    There is so many falures to protect America going on that it's overwhelming. I expect our enemies to conspire against us but not our own government and our own media. Deeply disappointed and angered.

  31. Yep. I was wrong dick face. Have a fucked up day. Oh wait. Im human. Not lib.