Atheists have written their own version of the ten commandments. These commandments were chosen from submissions to Atheist Mind Humanist Heart’s (AMHH) Re-Think Prize, a crowdsourcing project.
Previously reported by the Inquisitr, in November Adam Savage announced he would be a judge in the ReThink Project, the host of MythBusters (one of only two, these days), caused a new surge of interest and awareness for the contest — so much that the contest website crashed shortly after his tweet.
I’ve been asked to judge a contest called the Re-Think Prize. Submit your 10 Commandments alternative to win $10K! http://t.co/Z8CRfXgKJh
— Adam Savage (@donttrythis) November 21, 2014
As part of the crowdsourcing project, submissions were submitted to Atheist Mind Humanist Heart’s website. The submissions for new commandments were reviewed by the contest judges — Adam Savage was one of 13 judges — and ten submissions were chosen that were deemed worthy of being called commandments. The ten writers of the chosen submissions split a prize of 10,000 dollars.
- Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.
- Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true.
- The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.
- Every person has the right to control over their body.
- God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life.
- Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them.
- Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective.
- We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations.
- There is no one right way to live.
- Leave the world a better place than you found it.
The question may be asked why it was decided to hold such a contest to rewrite the ten commandments. Lex Bayer, an executive at AirBnB, and John Figdor, a humanist chaplain at Stanford University, had created their own 10 “non-commandments” in a book they co-wrote: “Atheist Heart, Humanist Mind.” Bayer said the book forced him to clarify and articulate his own beliefs, and he thought others could benefit from doing the same.
In their Reddit AMA, they explained there was a need to establish what atheists believe as there is a growing percentage who count themselves as non-religious.
“Did you know that polling shows forty-five million Americans consider themselves non-religious? This number is on the rise, with a third of adults under the age of thirty self-identifying as non-believers. With atheism replacing religion for so many, the question arises: what do atheists believe in?”
“We used a philosophical approach grounded in logic and evidence to determine how to live a reasonable, ethical, and happy life without God, and we wrote a book about it.”
The ten chosen were among 2,800 total submissions. What do you think of them? You can read the original Ten Commandments here.
Good try but I feel the answers are nebulous.
Ten Commandments. Why ten? Why not nine or eleven? BECAUSE TEN SOUNDS IMPORTANT. Ten sounds official. Ten is the basis of our numbering system.
We miss you, George Carlin.
dumbass.s theres only 10
Atheists are always re-writing the Ten Commandments. Funny how every one of them comes up with a different version.
Why is that funny, or weird, or surprising? I mean, we're all different people…
What a joke….Atheism: the belief in nothing….Why have any commandments at all if nothing matters because there is no afterlife…..no God….you only go around once…..may as well party and do as you please until you die……This mentality explains a lot about our abomination of a society.
Murderer gets 10 years, cause some nuts think, they will live eternally in heaven, the dead guy would tell you its a lie, if he existed anymore.
Don't worry about whats done to you peasant, you will have eternity in heaven and that big old bad guy will get punished then
Hey go fight this war, you get heaven or virgins, it's cool
I see a problem here…
How be it in vain they worship me teaching for doctrine the commandments of man.
It is amazing how much control we Christians have over atheists. And we really don't have to do anything. We don't have to rewrite the 10 commandments. Or protest, or pay for lawyers! Due to the atheists suing this one and that one! Merry Christmas everyone!
That's because you're a narrow-minded twat. Why do you think it is necessary to believe in sky fairies to be capable of being a good human. Sure we are only here briefly, but that doesn't mean that entitles us to be dicks….dick.
You clearly know nothing at all about about Atheists.
Your control over us is waning with every court win in our favor.
Ted Chu Your are still controlled. Win or loose in court.
What a joke…..talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking eagles, virgins giving birth, satyrs, giants, unicorns, a perfect all-knowing all-loving jealous god that couldn't forgive Eve for eating an apple, thinking you are going to heaven because someone thsat could be resurrected actually sacrificed anything. Pathetic….I'll take the 72 virgins myself. It's beautiful here in reality you should try it sometime.
And even the lame ones are better
H Charles Bell: Congrats you just described nihilism (watch The Big Lebowski for a fun lesson), with a dash of hedonism–atheism is just a disbelief/nonbelief in god/s, nothing more, nothing less. How could you possibly think life means less if it's the only shot you get? That should (and does for many people) make it seem all the more worthwhile. Your straw man is so ignorant it makes me want to puke.
It's apparently a joke you do not get. Allow me:
1) Atheism is not the belief in nothing. It's the disbelief in any sort of divine entity. Think about the thousands of Gods you reject: Zeus, Odin, Horus, Thor, Jupiter… the list goes on into the thousands. An atheist only extends his disbelief one more God than you do.
2) Who says nothing matters? What matters to you? We're not nullists. Think of it this way: If life is all you have, and it's not going to last forever, it damned well BETTER matter.
3) Atheists are not responsible for the "abomination of a society." To say such a thing, you'd have to forget such niceties from our history such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Thirty Years' War, The Crusades, The Salem Witch Trials, and the Holocaust. Leaving Christians alone for a moment, we'd also have to forget how the Twin Towers went down. That wasn't us, either.
4) "Liberal" isn't a bad word. It's just a word.
5) Empathy. That's the word you're looking for. More of that, and maybe discussions like this won't need to happen.
Wanda Branham Yeager, we will never be controlled. Just because Christians want to turn this country into Iran means nothing. The rest of us (along with that amazing Constitution you fuckers like to refer to so often), won't allow it. If you want an entire country to be ruled by fairy tales then the Middle East is just your sort of place, and we welcome you to move.
Wanda Branham Yeager Woah, woah, woah… that is an illusion of control. Many of you are just now finding out as your favoritism dwindles, and reactionary calls of "persecution" are a good indicator of not knowing what was really going on to begin with.
Matthew Crocker It's almost as if he doesn't realize there are 30,000+ different sects of Christianity alone, that all interpret the bible differently
Interesting that u believe in a 10 commandments, written in the bronze age.
Jeremy Edwards Being atheists is a fairy tale. That is your constitutional right. You atheists go through a lot of trouble trying to make a point. Time, money ,energy & attorney fees. That is how you are controlled. You do it to yourselves.
Jeremy Edwards I feel sorry for you and the apparent hate and misunderstanding you have . Open up a book or two and learn where the Constitution came from. I believe in God and I don't hate you or want to control you. The bibles teaches we all have free will to choose. I don't want to take away your rights to not believe and I don't want you to do that to me. I will tell you this, i don't believe that our society is mature enough to handle believing there is no reason for our existence. If you Atheists managed to force a No God policy on America and the world then it would lead to total chaos and misery. That is just the way things are right now. May you find peace to live with everyone around you.
Wanda Branham Yeager You are the one controlled by a 2000 year old book based on plagiarism. It's an anthology of mythology and your religion is failing at an astronomical rate. You can't get anyone to go to your 300,000+ churches anymore, so you are trying to bully your way into the schools. It won't work. The kids these days have too much access to information at their fingertips and can see through all the fear based B.S.
Matthew Crocker We're more likely to abide by all of them as well.
@Steve: Know what's funnier. Christians seem to say, "God damn," "By God," "Oh Jesus," a lot, yet seem to forget, "Thou shalt not take thy lord's name in vain." Let's not forget, "Thou shalt not Steal, Purger, Murder," yet most criminals in prison are Christian. Then there's, "Thou shalt not curse thy parents, covet, or commit adultery," yet Christians often insult their parents, cheat on lovers, and often subject to greed. Go figure.
Zachary Heil You just need to accept the fact that you are controlled. Illusion or not. Call of persecution. I don't think so. Maybe you should find a hobby. Instead of worrying about persecution. Seems to me you persecute yourselves.
I think it is sad that even though we have overwhelming reproducible proof that there is no god (As must be reproduced to call yourself a Realist) Atheist who just believe there is no God are the same as having a religion.
I notice there's nothing in there about prohibitions of lying, or stealing, or killing, just to name three that were covered in the original Ten Commandments. So I guess as far as atheists are concerned I can lie to them, steal from them, and then kill them — so long as I "think about their perspective" (second part of atheist commandment #7) while doing this and truly accept and believe their tenet that "there is no right way to live" (atheist commandment #9). And by eliminating an atheist or two, perhaps I am also "leaving the world a better place than when I found it" (atheist commandment #10).
I recognize that maybe I am violating the bit about "treating others as you would want them to treat you" (the first part of atheist commandment #7), but I'm willing to accept that because, after all, I am only human and undoubtedly a fallible being.
Ken Strejc One of your atheist commandments CLEARLY is a shot at pro-lifers. If I HAD to believe in talking donkeys in order to follow the teachings of Christ, WHICH I DON'T, I would do it in a heartbeat if it placed me squarely on the side of pro-lifers. I don't believe in butchering babies. You do. So spare me your "righteous" indignation.
Pagans were people who did not accept God, so they created statues to worship, Now they Call themselves Atheists, they just refuse to accept God, Knowing that He exists. But since Atheists did not create this world, they should not have the right to Make the rules. God did create this world, & He made rules for us to go by. God gave us the bible, the history of the world. Atheists go by a theory (a guess) made by some genius that probably had no common sense.
What irks me about "atheists" the most is that they care so much about something they claim to not believe in… I don't believe in time travel, but you don't see me out there constantly trying to degrade scientists for trying to figure out a way to do it … Seriously people … grow up.
Please … show what proof you have that there is no God. …I'll wait ..
#1 is hilarious, there is no more closed minded people than atheists, if they were so "open minded" then they wouldn't mind if there was a nativity scene in front of city hall or any other public place. So how open minded is a group of people who want every Christian and Jewish religious symbol in America torn down? However atheists never say a thing about Islam, why is that?
You don't actually know what an atheist is, do you? Don't even bother responding if you aren't going to look it up and give me a definition directly taken from the dictionary, because I want you to not be ignorant about this.
Hands up you believers who don't know your 10 commandments is an edited list?
It's not that people don't want those up there, it's that we don't want 1 religion being payed for and supported by the government BECAUSE THAT IS IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION and we are all taxpayers here. Would you think it ok if you were suddenly getting taxed to put images and statues of satan and zeus and krishna in your capital, and nothing that represented you was there?
#9 contradicts all of the others.
Ken Strejc Yes, and it is the best control have ever had. Don't you wish being christian is failing at an astronomical rate. Bully schools? That is up to the parents how they raise their kids. Schools can accept religious literature. Or reject it. Everyone has the right to listen to the gospel.
300,000+ is a large congregation. So maybe we need to build more churches. If kids want to research different beliefs. That is a good thing. My church started out with a small congregation. Now we have approximately 1,000 members. My elderly friend of age 92. She has been attending our church for 60 yrs. So apparently they are doing something right. So, have a good day Dec. 25th. Merry Christmas!
Ken Strejc It wasn't an apple. The snake was a metaphor for temptation, the eagle is a metaphor for God, never read about a unicorn, unless you are referring to the demonic beast of Revelations (and the satyr too). And while I understand your position towards believers, and am respectful of your decision not to believe (though not the intolerance you give believers), what if you're wrong? If I am wrong, then I lived a conserved life. But what if I am not?
Christopher Lynn Comer Please…show what proof you have that there is no magical teapot orbiting the sun…I'll wait…
You just don't get it? If you'd stop trying to shove religion down our throats, we wouldn't give a shit about this "god" character. I mean, that's why, at least in America, we don't get upset about Odin worship – because we're not constantly having Norse mythology dick-slapping us. Seriously, where ever you are in this country, take a week and just look around you at how often religion comes up.
If it came to a time where you could lose custody of your child over your disbelief in time-travel, you'd probably get pissed off about it. If you could be denied a job because you weren't a tempus-transit aficionado, be denied housing, have your family disown you, be ordered in court to take a time-travelling class, have your city government spend your tax dollars on future-memorabilia… Yeah, you'd be pretty hacked off, I betcha.
Here is one: Don't be so arrogant and self important as to discount the possibility of a God.
No matter what belief system you have (Even being an Atheist is a belief.) When you take your final last breaths you will prey to what ever deity that you might think man answer.
I have a problem with number 2 because the truth is subjected to the victor. whoever has the power to control the truth can make the truth.
I couldn't help but notice how these commandments contradict each other.
Commandment #9 contradicts commandments 2,3, 6, 8 and 10.
Commandment #7 contradicts commandment 1 and 5
•Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.
•Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true.
•The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.
•Every person has the right to control over their body.
•God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life.
•Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them.
•Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective.
•We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations.
•There is no one right way to live.
•Leave the world a better place than you found it.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1692212/atheists-rewrite-ten-commandments-mythbusters-adam-savage-judged-new-commands/#rJVZTO5egMxDDc1A.99
Who created the heavens and earth. It wasn't tinker bell!
Charles, you are confusing Atheism and Nihilism. The difference is the altruism inherent in Atheists who choose to do good, something which Christians do not, cannot, have. Let me explain: If you believe, truly believe, that you do good things to get an eternal reward, then you never do anything just because it is the right thing to do, you do it to get something, which makes it inherently selfish at least on some small level.
When a person who does not believe in an eternal reward does something good, they do it simply to do the right thing which inherently makes it more good, more pure, and more altruistic.
Wanda Branham Yeager no group is persecuted by Atheists. If they own a business and say "Happy Holidays" in their stores we wind up on FOX News being screamed at that they are instituting a War on Christmas.
They are so afraid of God that they are constantly trying to disprove Him and get rid of Him. They think this will make Him non existent and in the end make them fell better about themselves and not be so scared of the afterlife. Misery loves company. I know that Superman and Batman do not exist. So I do run around and devote all my time to hating them or trying to disprove their existence. They do not know for a fact that God does not exist. Out of sight, out of mind. I know he lives and is real. He lives in my heart
Drew Jensen, that isn't a matter of being open minded. That is a legal concern, our government isn't allowed to show any one religion favoritism over another. That is known as the separation of church and state. It is the same reason why Christians were right to freak out when the CoS put up a giant statue of Baphomet (Satan) outside of a courthouse.
Christopher Lynn Comer Not a fair question, as scientifically you cannot prove the non-existence of something that does not exist. If you think you can then I want you to prove that there isn't an invisible, intangible, statue of a unicorn behind you right now. Go ahead… I'll wait…
Henry Walsh Atheists think they are being persecuted.
Leo Geiger Man are you ignorant. Pagans are called pagans, by the Christians. The prior cultures had deities that were, in the Mediterranean cultures, usually an extended family. With a chief God and those around them. They were responsible for different aspects of nature or learning. Your Gospels can't even keep the events surrounding the last 48 hours and resurrection straight. Each one has a different order, who was there, what they did, what was said, and these are not slight differences either. Add to that, NONE of the Gospel writers even knew Jesus or his disciples. They were written between 75 and 125 years after the events, by 3 different authors. And as for Christmas and Easter,. Dec 25th is the date that at least 25 different 'pagan' deities were born by immaculate conception in the 3000 years prior to Jesus. Many of these deities, walked on water, healed the sick, raised the dead, resurrected themselves three days later. The 25th was taken by the Catholic Church, to take over the celebration of Saturnalia, where gifts are given, a pine tree with the testicles of sacrificed bulls were hung in the temple, with a high feast in celebration. The Spring Equinox was taken by the Church to again rob the 'pagans' of the various celebrations. The easter bunny and eggs come from different cultures over time that were adopted in Rome. Know shit before you spew it.
James Clarke Ferguson Most people don't agree with aborting sentient human beings. Luckily, science and medicine provide knowledge as to when a human fetus becomes sentient, so we don't have to go by the whims and emotions of people. To those who do want to abort a non-sentient human that hasn't developed yet, it is their decision to do so, not yours.
Except christbots force their beliefs on everyone else. Keep your silly fantasy to yourself and no one would give a sheet. You people have been indoctrinated into a cult. Welcome to the internet, where silly god myths come to die. You believe in magic and superstition. Your beliefs are as relevant as Zeus worshipers.
Not true Drew, if Zeus rode down from Olympus on a big lightning bolt and started zapping world leaders, I'd be totally open minded to the possibility that he is real. If you mean close-minded as in not accepting imaginary stuff, well, then you got me there…
And we do say things about Islam. It's just as ridiculous and crazy as any other religion out there. Not "special" in any way in that regard.
Wanda Branham Yeager Hey Dec. 25th that's Dionysus, Horus and Attis' birthday. You remember those guys right. That;s where Paul got the Jesus's story to begin with. Have a lovely Winter Solstice with your family. And a glorious secular New Year.
Refuse to accept your silly fantasy is more like it. Religion is man made to control the most ignorant of our society. Check which side of the equation your on. You bought the invisible product, indoctrinated into a cult.
1 .Be open-minded & willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence.
I am. But no "new evidence" is persuasive proof that God doesn't exist.
2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not what you wish to be true.
I do. Atheists don't. I don't believe in God b/c I want to. I believe b/c the evidence is overwhelming in favor of His existence. If atheists would really examine the evidence with an open mind, instead of deciding the answer in advance & adding everything up to this pre-determined conclusion, hen they'd see this.
3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world.
The scientific method requires a controlled environment in which the experimenter can control all the variables. For example, how do you apply the scientific method to supernatural events? You can't. You're left with using historical testimony to explain things like the parting of the Red Sea or the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima, & with using medical science to address things like "miraculous" cures. But atheists reject historical testimony when it conflcits with their beliefs, & they reject medical science when it reaches conclusions they don't agree with.
4. Every person has the right to control over their body.
This is just as much a dogmatic assertion as anything found in religion. Furthermore, it's ridiculous. We don't allow convicted murderers or psych patients or even children control over their own bodies, so obviously this "right" has limits. This "right" is evidently aimed at abortion, but if the fetus is a new & separate human life then doesn't IT have the right to control over its own body?
5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full & meaningful life.
Interesting. The term God implies "that which is necessary to be a good person", so the statement– another dogmatic assertion– is self-contradictory nonsense. If God exists at all, then the statement is untrue, b/c a God Who DOES exist IS necessary. So the only sense of the statement must be "that which does NOT exist is not necessary"– a tautology.
6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions.
I am, all Christians are, & most likely all religious people are. What's your point?
7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you.
This was stolen from the Golden Rule, a core value of Christianity. So what you SHOULD be asking is where & how did such a sublime doctrine come about? Is it human or divine?
8. We have a responsibility to consider others, including future generations.
Very few people would dispute this, but upon what transcendant principle is it based? Why should we care about others at all? Why not grab everything we can form ourselves while we can? Isn't that a purer atheistic principle? The value is fundamentally Christian.
9. There is no one right way to live.
Another dogmatic assertion with zero evidence in its favor. If God exists, & if He's specified a right way to live, then there IS one. So once again the 1st step shouldn't be to formulate a dogmatic atheistic principle, but instead to discover whether or not God truly– or even probably– exists.
10. Leave the world a better placer than you found it.
This is a re-statement of Principle #8, & very few people would dispute it. But upon what transcendant principle is it based? WHY should we do this? The principle doesn't say.
Thruout these rewritten Commandments we find appeals to "good", "better", & "right" (#4, #5,
#9., & #10, & implied in all the rest). But "good", "better", or "right" according to what overarching principles? The implied values are all Christian. Prior to Christianity the pagans thought nothing of poisoning their own parents or children. It was Christianity which instituted morality– a sense of right & wrong. This atheistic manifesto tries to appropriate the morality without its doctrinal underpinnings– without the evidence or the reasoning on which it is based. Thus the atheistic manifesto hangs in mid-air, based on nothing.
Right, the belief of not accepting invisible sky daddy myths. How religion's overwhelming evidence shakes my belief to its core. Welcome to the internet, where silly god myths come to die.
What irks me about christbots is that they're so gullible.I mean, you buy an invisible product, because some guy in magic robes tells you to. How about you guys keep your silly fantasy to yourselves, and stop trying to force it on the rest of society?
Replace "god" in your unintelligible rant with "mystical fairy lord", and maybe you'll realize how dumb you sound to atheists, and every other religion not your own.
sorry brain dead. EPIC FAIL. People do NOT need religion to have morals. GASP!!!!!!!
Replace "god" in your unintelligible rant with "mystical fairy lord", and maybe you'll realize how dumb you sound to atheists, and every other religion not your own.
sorry brain dead. EPIC FAIL. People do NOT need religion to have morals. GASP!!!!!!!
Oh, you want to play that game? How many versions of the bible are there Einstein?
Oh, you want to play that game? How many versions of the bible are there Einstein?
sorry brain dead. EPIC FAIL. Atheists are more into proof, nust just taking someone's word at it. like a religion INVENTED in 1700-1800 BC based on egyptian gods. (surprise). Bother leaning REAL history, like, for example, what is THE oldest religion. (hint: NOT yours).
sorry brain dead. EPIC FAIL. Atheists are more into proof, nust just taking someone's word at it. like a religion INVENTED in 1700-1800 BC based on egyptian gods. (surprise). Bother leaning REAL history, like, for example, what is THE oldest religion. (hint: NOT yours).
(always have proof before believing in a god, not the word of men).
(always have proof before believing in a god, not the word of men).
brain dead, atheist means they do NOT believe in ANY god… PERIOD. you proved you're too stupid to make comments.
brain dead, atheist means they do NOT believe in ANY god… PERIOD. you proved you're too stupid to make comments.
brain dead, atheist means they do NOT believe in ANY god… PERIOD. you proved you're too stupid to make comments.
And sorry, brain dead, MAN gave you the bible, not a fake god invented in 1700 1800bc
Casey Wade You are a prime example of my above post … How does me having faith, cram it down your throat?
Ted Chu you are clearly lost my dear and i don't care . God is love God is truth God is justice God is vengence God is life God is light God is good get to know and with all your heart and you will have a sign or miracle like many , many i have had and others.
How is it arrogant to say, "I don't know?"
Zoltan Fazekas dumbo it will outlive you too and all the people on this page. ha ha ha ha ha. your stupid smile will disappear too. ha ha ha ha ha ha the bible outlives any who think its out dated . you skeleton will be carbon dated and it gets on ticking ha ha ha ha
rheinfrankkathy The Bible ticks? Like a bomb? How apt…
Jeremy Edwards How do christians want to turn america into iran? You do know iran is a muslim country right?
Joseph VanSandt all i can say is give it time. look up george washington when all else failed…. get on your knee's . humble your self. don't be too cocky . your a smart guy
Joseph VanSandt i have a feeling some day your going to have a experience that is going to change your view…. when there is no where else to go … his door is always open… try praying for a sign he's there……. seek himwith all your heart…….
Henry Walsh It is a very fair question based on his comment above … He claims to have "overwhelming reproducible proof that there is no god" So it is fair of me to ask him to share his proof. And if you truly want to go the scientific route, Scientists have maintained for years that you can not disprove the existence of something that you can not prove exists, therefore making any scientific explanation null and void. My faith tells me that he does exist. The fact that I have 3 wonderful children tells me that he does exist. My wife surviving 2 separate medical incidents that she never should have survived, tells me that God exists. The amount of people who do not believe in him, yet try and argue and fight to remove all mention of him, tells me that he does exist …..Now, you tell me… … What makes you say that he doesn't exist.
Wanda Branham Yeager You keep using words that don't mean what you think they mean. In the age of the internet, with dozens of free dictionaries available, it's just pathetic and unacceptable. However, I'm more inclined to believe you're just trolling.
rheinfrankkathy Which god?
Christopher Lynn Comer …. i have cd's stacks of them …… that one after another eventually tells a story of someone's life that has a God miracle in them. and all you can say is wow !!!!if interested i will sent you a copy.i read the miracle of the sun ….. looked up the shroud of turin …howard storms descent into death… mickey robinson….. fatima…… on and on …. everything i have research.. read .. and listened to all comes together and fatima is really , really interested…. these people won't even put 2 % into anything . so what did God say… seek me with all your heart and you will find me. look up mickey robinson he's fantastic . miracle for jen is a great read as miracle after miracle occurs in her life. i feel great when i talk about God. i myself experience many miracles and that's another story. well, it will take a war or catastrophe before people get on there knee's. death is at your doorstep is when you give it a second thought. thanks
rheinfrankkathy The idea that because something is popular or traditional it is therefore good or useful is nonsense. Do you condone the act of slavery or the subjugation of women?
You'll be hard-pressed to find an atheist that identifies as Gnostic. Not believing in something (because of a lack of evidence), is just not believing something. It's no more arrogant for an atheist to not believe in god than it is for you to not believe in talking hamsters.
rheinfrankkathy Would you mind explaining what GW has to do with this? It doesn't matter what he believed in.
One has to believe in something to be afraid of it. You are aware, right, that atheists are responding to the encroachment of religion into their personal lives (whether directly or indirectly)? If millions of people started believing in Superman and tried passing legislation based on those beliefs, in a manner that prevents others from enjoying their civil rights, then you better bet people will fight against it. Why is this so hard to understand?
"I know he lives and is real. he lives in my heart". No, you believe he is real, knowledge is something that can be shared. It is demonstrable and verifiable. By what method do or can you demonstrate that your god is real?
Here is another one: Don't be so arrogant and self important that you think you know another person's position when you clearly do not.
1. You don't know what a pagan is.
2. You don't know what an atheist is.
3. You don't know what an atheist is.
4. Many men wrote the books of the bible and contextually it's clear there was no divine inspiration as it's riddled with misogyny, slavery, murder, subjugation of women, and so on. A direct reflection of the primitive, mostly illiterate populace of its time.
5. You still don't know what an atheist is.
It's funny how many Christian posters are starting threads to insult atheists. And then they cry about it when atheists call them out on their stupidity.
they write 10 and believe not their own for if they had they believe , in God according to their 10 commandments
They really didn't need number five. Why mention God at all if it commandments written by atheists?
You, yourself, might not be doing it but look at how many Christians are trying to get laws passed based of their own religious beliefs. Look at all various ways they've tried using their position in politics to influence public policy. If more Christians weren't constantly trying to interfere with the lives of others, atheists wouldn't have to speak out against your ignorance.
these statements shouldn't be called commandments… that implies religion. these are simply ideas that describe the way we should treat each other
as for religion… it is a shackle on humanity that keeps us from advancing and being what it we could be
I know God has helped me out in everything I have achieved. Atheists sure believe in science but seem to forget the science on energy, dark matter, things that we don't know/ can't see. If you read the Bible you will find out God is Pure light, strong unimaginable energy that we as humans can not perceive. Remember that energy is all around us always.
Zachary Heil "By what method do or can you demonstrate that your god is real?" The fact that if I believe in achieving something hard enough and and just mention God and ask him for help that he gives me what I asked for and if I become too arrogant it is taken away from me. Proof enough?
Alan Rockets The people you are talking about, such as Michael's, are trying to keep laws from interfering in their beliefs. How is them fighting laws imposed against them, that go against beliefs, cramming it down someones throat?
Christopher Lynn Comer Your individual faith isn't the issue, and it might not even be you at all. However, religion as a collective, and especially Christianity in America has been encroaching for years on the civil rights of citizens who don't share particular theistic beliefs, or any at all. Whether I do anything about it or not, Christianity directly and indirectly affects my daily life. I, and many alike, even religious humanists, don't like it and we speak up. I could care less about anything lacking in evidence that you happen to believe in (although I'd prefer reasonable skepticism), I do however have a problem when that belief begins to dictate what I can and cannot do.
The atheists on there death bed will all of a sudden start praying to God, like they were there for him all along. He has feelings just like the next guy, ignore him your whole life and he will ignore you at your time of need too.
ATHEIST do not believe in GOD………, But that's Okay!………. God does not believe in Atheists.
Christopher Lynn Comer You got Satan up there mad. Leave him alone to give him your energy.
Zachary Heil Please give one example of how Christianity encroaches on your daily life, and how it dictates what you can and can not do. And please, share how it violates peoples civil rights.
going to bed … check back in the morning '
Sorry, but that's not a tenable position. As it stands, there is no credible, demonstrable evidence for any god, but there also isn't "proof" that there isn't one. In all likelihood and probability, it's no leap to say there is no Abrahamic god and a host of others (thousands), when you understand the derivative nature of most the world religions.
A study done in the late 90's showed that more than 90% of Atheists were raised religious. It also showed that most people who were raised religious, stayed religious. What you end up with in that scenario is that a large majority of Atheists know about religion, while a very small number of religious people know about Atheism. Most of these comments reflect that conclusion.
I'm assuming I'm not alone here when I say: I have no idea what you just said.
I'm assuming I'm not alone here when I say: I have no idea what you just said.
Another reason NOT to watch Mythbusters.
I'm pretty sure it's just a philosophical clarification to counteract the countless claims by theists that atheists can't be moral if they don't believe in god.
commandment 7 "Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective"
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"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;" (Love others and treat them how you want to be treated)
atheists sure like to copy the Bible for "their" commandments
It sounds like the devil is trying everything at his power to lead people astray. Oh satan what a pathetic POS you are and all of your worthless pathetic useless followers.
Christopher Lynn Comer Because whenever anybody says anything about atheism, or challenges the Christian hold on American society, you will always, ALWAYS, scream about it.
James Clarke Ferguson Dividing cells are not yet babies. Think how many "babies" you killed the last time you jerked-off.
hello235 People don't believe in science, they accept scientific findings or they don't. Things not understood by science don't necessarily equate to: God did it. That used to be the accepted premise, especially when scientific methods weren't even around or when they were in their infancy, however, the more we've utilized it and begun to understand the natural world, the world of the supernatural diminishes at every step. Convulsions and epilepsy used to be demonic possession, lightning used to be anger of the gods, and a ridiculous amount of other things misunderstood by our ancestors. Given the track record of what was once believed to be supernatural, it's not too far fetched to suggest the future findings will again be natural explanations.
Steve, the funny thing is that all most all of them are better then the ones listed in the bible.
rheinfrankkathy You mean George Washington, who was, at most, a deist?
hello235 No, that's not proof enough. I don't think you understand what I mean by demonstrable, especially given the fact that many nonbelievers, and believers that don't worship the same god as you can achieve their goals on their own. Forget that for now, the main concern is what can be shown. Where is the evidence? Where is the verifiability, the credibility, the independent corroboration, the predictability? How can you actually demonstrate your claim? How can you differentiate, and show that you achieving or failing in your goals is something more than your own hard work or lack thereof, or any other host of chance variables (like getting sick or finding a twenty dollar bill on the ground)? Do you use the same skeptical inquiry if you go shopping for a used car, that you would for any supernatural claim? Why would/should your methods be any different?
Ya, that sounds like a good bit. I however didn't see them quote this passage from the bible.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Christopher Lynn Comer Sundays. Many businesses are closed on Sundays, because it's the day of "worship." (In mainstream Christianity, at any rate.) Even if the individual business owner doesn't believe, many stay closed as part of the societal norm.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.” Mark Twain
That was a profound and enlightening statement for its time, and to me it's even more profound since we have the ability to travel the world now without leaving our house thanks to the internet (although I highly recommend actual travel as well). Living in bubbles serves only to diminish the potential for love, learning, and living a healthy cohesive life with the rest of the world.
If he's as pathetic as you say, WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING AFRAID?
Todd Nussbaumer A lot of things changed from the old testament in the new testament. It was very common to have slaves back in those days. Also if you think you are not a slave to the system yourself than you are kidding yourself. We are all still slaves, but in a different way.
Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of one–a non-belief. I won't pray to any god because i don't believe in any–much in the same way that I won't be thinking about unicorns or invisible dragons. I will, unwillingly (cause who wants to die?) accept my fate and hopefully spend my remaining time with people that matter to me.
In a scientific sense (which is more than likely the intention), truth isn't a spoil that goes to victors, it's universal position that applies to everyone. That is why there's no such thing as German science, or Japanese science. What is factual, in science, is that which is evidenced. It's why an outright appeal to scientific authority isn't needed or useful, because anyone, from anywhere can do the science.
Matthew Crocker Afraid of who?
hello235 You seem to be under the impression that ignoring something is equatable to not believing in something, when in fact, they're quite distinguishable. I won't be praying, 1. because I see it as nothing more than meditation, and 2. most importantly, as an atheist, I don't believe in god.
hello235 Ah, so you're cool with slavery, then? With owning your wife as property? Forcing your rape victim to marry you? Killing children for teasing a priest?
Like I said in the other blog this appeared in, this sounds more like Logical Positivism than atheism. Atheism means: Not believing in God. Which as Leonard Peikoff pointed out once, leaves a large variable on what you DO believe in; an atheist can very well be a spiritual person who believes in spirits and afterlives…all they have to do is not believe in God.
The kind of atheist you see in this article is the new age atheism that're taking atheist and shaping it to mean: Not belief in ANYTHING supernatural. I suggest Webster change its definitions if this keeps up.
hello235 This Satan you refer to. Xtians are always weeping and wailing about Satan's powers, and "the devil made me do it" and all that. But you say he's pathetic. Which is it?
hello235 This Satan you refer to. Xtians are always weeping and wailing about Satan's powers, and "the devil made me do it" and all that. But you say he's pathetic. Which is it?
Its funny, Atheists don't believe in God, or any deity for that matter, and here they are, bringin up God and religion. Once again. Instead of trying to erase the concept of God from reality, try to get yourself some equal rights. Take a note from the gays. You don't see them hating a god "who doesn't exist" just because the bible. Sure, some do.. but that's no different than having a few worthless bigots. Nobody gives a shit about 'em cuz theyre prejudiced. Focus on what matters. Instead of thinking, "Your god wants me dead because I don't worship him?" try focusing on the stories from the bible that demonstrate strength, courage, love, dedication, determination, perseverance in the face of overwhelming obstacles. That's what the bible is about. You want yourselves a God-less existence? Buy a compound. Live there. Leave the rest of us the fuck alone, and we'll leave you the fuck alone. Not everyone has to be a mindless bible thumper to believe in God. You believe in the universe? How about the Big Bang? Laws of nature?? Those are your Gods. That's your religion. Now shut the fuck up please.
Then your god is a fucking idiot. There is empirical proof that atheists exist.
Actually there are 613 Commandments. Every society has the basic 10 Commandments otherwise there would be chaos.
plated.drake Thats because its human nature..for we humans are all born into sin…and not one human is perferct like Jesus is was and will always be…yes christians do make mistakes also..its by grace that we are forgiven by
Jesus that saves us yes even athiests have that chance too …..religion is just a name to catorgorize what faith you believe in…hind -buddaism islam..etc The churches are there to point you to our savior who died on the cross for all of humans sins.. and believing in Jesus is a personal relationship for all who believe…
Matthew Crocker "I don't know" would be agnostic, not atheist.
Yes, believing that God impregnated a 12 year old while she was sleeping (rape and pedophilia) forcing her to marry a 90 year old man (pedophilia) allowing that child to be tortured and executed to prove that He forgives me for a sin committed by others, that is a real super belief.
Believe in Zeus, he was a better God. He only impregnated grown women whose husbands were out of town and he never tortured or harmed anyone of his numerous Human children. He produced more than one child unlike your God who could only do it once,
Being superstitious is so much better.
Casey Wade And how is Atheism not a cult. If you people had hundreds of years to organize like The Catholic Church has, im sure you people would look an awful lot like a cult yourselves. You believe in science. Science answers everything. Ok, im cool with that. You don't believe in the existence of any kind of supreme being? That's fine too. But you see, you people push your values JUST THE SAME. Look at what you did to Ground Zero. Having a piece of metal, placed meaningfully for a reason, in remembrance of thousands of people, JUST BECAUSE SOME ATHEIST FUCKS WERE OFFENDED. How is that not forcing your beliefs, or rather, a lack thereof, on other people just the same way you claim Christians do it? Can you say "Hypocrite?" Just shut the fuck up and sit quietly in the background please.
I sure do hope you guys are right about there is no God. Then we both have lost nothing. If we stupid Christ Bots are right. I feel for you.
God gave us the commandments. The Catholic church is where the Bible came from.. Manmade.
Christopher Lynn Comer I didn't say Christianity encroaches on my daily life, I said it affects it both directly and indirectly. As an open atheist, I am frequently looked at with distrust. Normal casual conversations have turned sour many a times once my lack of belief was mentioned–believe you me, I'm far from the only atheist that this happens to, especially in the state of Missouri. I'm affected by the legislation that is passed or fails to pass due to the science denial that seems to hover over the religious right like there's no tomorrow.
As a proponent of science and education I'm constantly having to explain to people why interjecting creationism/Intelligent design in the science classroom is unscientific, is clearly religiously motivated, and hence unconstitutional. If I were to attempt to run for office in some states, I would be prohibited, simply because I don't believe in god. In my state, I'm not prohibited, but without a doubt my chances of being successful will be severely diminished if I openly run as an atheist–for no other reason.
Only very recently has the same-sex marriage ban in Missouri been overruled, although I'm willing to bet it will actively be fought over for years to come–all the while other states still ban it. I'm constantly reminded with billboards and marquees (hell, even bumper stickers) that my life is meaningless, devoid, immoral, and unjustifiable since I don't accept Jesus into my heart. Because of these things, I am vocal about the affects of religion on the population. Were the religious to keep their religion to themselves, in their churches and homes and consensual conversations, then I'd just ignore it. But that clearly isn't the case, and to deny the profound affect that religion has on people (especially when it's not wanted) is to be obtuse, oblivious, ignorant or disingenuous. I don't suspect you to be any of these things.
Zachary Heil so your saying if you dont see it you wont believe it…the jewish rabbis and pharissees did the same thing and yet Jesus was there and showed them that he is the great -I AM-..anf theres lots of evidence of God look at life in itself umless science might be able to clone animals and humans but it takes another human or animail to help make that clone…God took nothing and made dirt..science cant do that…and do you know that there are more books written about Jesus than they are of Alexzander the great…and it was athiests that wrote them…but hey ..Athiests might not believe in God but God nows you and loves all of us no matter how sinnful we are…its the sin that he doesnt like
Matthew Crocker Yes for leading people astray when he feels the pressure… IS that not pathetic?
Alan Rockets And look at how many Atheists are trying to have laws passed based of their lack of religion! Hypocrisy! You people are cowards and hide your non beliefs when in power positions regarding the government and lawmaking. Just like gays in government. You hide your true nature because you fear the opinion of the public. Then when something bad happens its ONLY at the fault of religious zealots and bigots, right? How about this, work your way into power, and just do the right thing based off of reality and what society needs. NOT YOUR OWN PERSONAL BELIEFS. THAT is the exact problem with the government. and its not because of Christianity. Its because of greed and petty selfishness. A cross doesn't HAVE to signify God. Symbols are only what YOU make of them. What YOU take them as meaning. If you atheists are offending by a letter t just because it means something to Christians, then you yourselves are just as big of bigots as you claim Christians are. Good day to you.
Joseph VanSandt George Washington never existed hes a fairy tellin a book written by a bunch of losers that are trying to change the history of the nation
Zachary Heil if you study the scriptures it all there in the bible…
I think that is as poor a representation of atheists as it is for a theist to contend that atheists believe in nothing (generally said without understanding what a nihilist is). To me new atheism is just a more vocal group, instilling solidarity because we have the capability and means to (that wasn't available in the past).
Any belief or outlook on life is completely separable from the atheist position of not believing in a god, simply because an atheist is just someone that doesn't believe in a god. Any other views they may have, whether with any scientific muster or not, is essentially irrelevant to their position on god. However, it a commonality for an atheist to be of a more skeptical nature, although it isn't necessitated. After all, there are atheists that believe in ghosts and an efficacy for alternative medicines. What I gather from the list, especially since it's from a humanist organization, is that the idea of religion being a requirement for morality and living a good life in solidarity with your fellow humans, is a false premise. To me it's just a promotion of secular humanism and skeptical inquiry.
You mean like how the golden rule was derivative of other culture's philosophy that preceded the bible?
Zachary Heil Lee has answered you –ya'll are non-belivers of Jesus and yoa"ll guess and theorize on things..and Athiest also believe that man came form monkeyfish
Slavery was just as common during the time of the new testament, in fact, never once was the practice admonished or condemned in the bible. The closest thing there was was forbidding a master from beating their slave too harshly–not condemning the master for OWNING another human being.
I think it's just an interesting way to conceptualize the notion that most people could have written better commandments, or at the very least, made them better than a supposed omni-benevolent god. Like: Don't rape people, don't practice slavery, etc.
So Christians cant be kind-hearted or good-natured people just because they believe in something that may not exist? I believe that, sir, is called prejudice and bigotry. You are a hypocrite, just the like the rest of the world's trash. So should Christians see Atheists as godless savages just because they DONT believe in religion? Go lay on train tracks, my friend.
Why do you care what an atheist believes or not believes. I can tell you I am not afraid of your God How can I be when he don't exist. I don't hate you are any other Christian. Just because someone does not believe the way you do does not make them hate. Why can't you accept that there are people who do not believe. You cannot prove that God does exist and you know it. If you are so comfortable with your faith then why do you care what anyone believes. Out of sight out of mind exactly I have never saw God because he does not exist. So why would I go around thinking about if he exists, You just assume that an atheist is thinking that way. I don't care what you believe that is your right. Just as it is my right to believe he does not exist.
So youre best evidence is a study that's well over a decade old? Just go away please. Take your dusty, out-dated information with you.
Mitch Tillman Yea! Pascal's Wager!
Are you implying that atheists and secular humanists are followers of the devil? Are you suggesting that these people aren't operating on their own volition?
Democrats and Atheists always break number 1. They are never open-minded and willing to alter their beliefs. They think of themselves as Superior.
And… God told you this?
I'm sure Adam and Jamie will be heart-broken.
I'm sure Adam and Jamie will be heart-broken.
Todd Nussbaumer how is that so..when the ones in the Bible have never changed ..with the exception of the catholic bible …and the non believers are made for self and are always changing to fit thier needs
Henry Walsh, I you actually read the Constitution you will discover that the Government is not allowed to require you to be a member of any specific religion. Nothing is said about favoring one over another, that was the decision of bigot judges who can't read.
Casey Wade it depends on what website your on …
It reinforces the skeptical nature of the list (i.e., being skeptical ensures a more comprehensive understanding of life, but don't take my word for it). I could see it as possibly being redundant, but that's a bit of a stretch.
Except Christians don't go around murdering innocent men, women, and children in the name of their god. Beheading people publicly. Oh, don't forget about the Christians that ISIS trapped on a mountaintop until they began dying from exposure and malnourishment. But of course, everything HAS to be politically correct, or else youre just ramming ideas down other people's throats? So, yes, Islam is "just as ridiculous and crazy as any other religions…" Orrr how about you just go live your life away from humanity. Take your people with you. If you think Islam is just the same as all the others, you deserve to die for all the atrocities they continue to commit. "Radicallized" or not. Terrorism will always rise from Islam. Christians gave up their fucked up crusades and attempted religious genocides centuries ago. Theyre just as civilized and uncivilized as you atheists. No more evil or good than the average person. The ONLY difference is a simple belief system. Quit being immature and acting superior. What happens if God doesn't exist? Nothing. Nothing happens and life goes on. What happens if he does? Then all non-devout Christians, catholics, and jews will suffer eternal torture. . This means everyone you love and care for, all the innocents you've managed to sway over to atheism will all suffer the same fate because of your ill-meant efforts. How about just live and let live? Shut the fuck up about Christians being crazy and believing in dragons and unicorns and fairy gods. And they'll shut the fuck up about you people believing in.. nothingness.
To learn more about Jesus and the ten commandments here is a nice web site for everyone –http://www.amazingfacts.tv/ and also — Amazing Facts, Inc (Media Ministry)
Like I said earlier, I hope you are right about your faith of no God and I am wrong. Then we just simply cease to exist after death. You are welcome to believe what you like. I was simply addressing this article and what faith is. It seams that every time I try and read the news Christians and our faith are under attack. Report after report derogatory about us. I am simply responding to this. We all have a free will.
Atheists, closed minded? Not even close. Believing everything in a book, written 2k + years ago by a bunch of very questionable men, who by the way never met Jesus is as closed minded as you can get. One thing that religious people of all faith's do is that they do not look at the whole picture, everything is black and white to them, the same goes for your hardcore Republican's and Democrats. We as humans have come a long way since biblical times, we no more about the world starting with that it isn't flat. Science, Medicine, Technology ect. have actually proven why some if not most of what Christians call Gods miracles or his wrath happened. I was brought up religious and got tired of the fear, lies, guilt, judgment, manipulation and ignorance that was instilled on me growing up. I also found that most of the negativity, hate, judgment and intolerance come from people who claim to be religious, Christians being the most popular religion. Religion is all about control, look at the Duggar family, that idiot father controls every aspect of his families lives even well, into adulthood, that is only one small example. This country is not a Christian nation, it never was but that doesn't stop many Christians from trying to shove there views down everyone's throat. We are a very diverse country with many religions. We are based on the Constitution not the bible. Separation of Church and State is why as a nation we are not like Iran or Saudi Arabia. Atheists don't say much about Islam because Muslims in this country do not shove there twisted views down everyone's throat. They are not out trying to put the Koran in public schools, they are not out to violate the laws of the land because they don't like someone's lifestyle.
Christopher Cole Sorry, but the separation of church and state is explicitly implied by our constitution being a secular document, founding the nation as such. It was a point of contention when the constitution was ratified that we not allow a church state (such as what happened in the early colonies where Catholics and Quakers among others, were oppressed). Jefferson and Madison, and other founding fathers wrote about this and clarified this point because they understood that any government favoring any religion will necessarily cease to represent the rest of the population that doesn't cater to that religion.
And Christians are always changing the bible to fit there own agenda.
God and religion are two different things. Organized religion is nothing more than a club that you pay dues and are told what to believe and what rules to follow.
Jon Fuller What's in the scriptures?
Mitch Tillman There is no faith involved in an atheistic position, it is moot because no positive claim is being made. It requires just as much faith for me to not believe in flying horses, that is, none. In what news reports are Christians under attack? Criticizing theistic faith is simply just that, criticizing. In what other aspect of life is a belief without evidence not criticized or called in to question?
What do atheists believe? Ask ten atheists and get ten answers. "They" have no standard to go by but their own experiences, learnings, feelings and understandings. Hence, there are no atheist standards, merely the individual feelings of each atheist.
Zachary Heil You are correct in saying that atheism is nothing more than disbelief. How, then would there be atheists commandments? There is no belief system to base it on. Everyone has different experiences, understandings and feelings….hence everyone will have a different sense of right and wrong.
Two things, Hello: the concept of a loving and forgiving god that demands fealty and acknowledgement is a ridiculous oxymoron. And as to your bible quote, the ethic of reciprocity was around long before the bible and is present in nearly every religion. It is common sense, not the word of a deity.
Jon Fuller 1. I didn't ask Lee a question, I pointed out that they have no clue what a pagan or atheist is. A simply peek into a dictionary or encyclopedia would confirm this.
2. Everyone guesses and theorizes about the world, what of it?
3. What an atheist believes about the origins of man or life is irrelevant to their atheism. That being said, as an atheist myself, yes, I also do accept the evolutionary theory of biology, much as I accept other independently corroborated scientific theories. And my (rudimentary as it is) understanding of evolution in no scenario leaves me under the impression that "man came from monkeyfish".
To read anything from an atheist is to see a super "evangelist" for himself Narcissistically promoting selfishness and ridiculously denying any spirituality evident in their self-deluded, know-it-all, arrogance and juvenile obnoxiousness. They should read on the Web: NATURE AND NATURE'S GOD–UNIVERSITY OF NOTRE DAME…and enjoy the highest level of intelligence instead of their wacko primitive ipsedixits. Teilhard de Chardin would help too…but they would, evangelical-like, just revel in their dirty school boy satanism idiocy and abortive scientific "evangelizing" also. In a way, they are more dogmatically imposing than real Evangelists.
I think atheists are just jealous people who lost there soul. Maybe they just need a hug.
There is only one that pertains to how to live. Treat others as you want to be treated. what about lying, stealing, cheating on your spouse, killing, This isn't a guide on how to live a good decent life. It's a guide on how to be self center, self seeking and this is what the younger generation is doing and becoming.
Matthew Crocker Agnostics say "I don't know".
Atheists say, "i do know there is no God".
Zachary Heil interesting..I do understand in what you are saying…and no I am not picking on anyones belief..that is a personal thing either people do believe or they dont believe trhat is our choice as humans..and I also undersatand why people dont really care for christians who are out there protesting and trying to cram their beliefs down ones throat…that is not how theywe are suppose to be or act.. and I do apologize to you and everyone else that I have unknowingly offened
Jon Fuller Independent corroboration is an important part of an evidence based understanding of the world. The divine claims of the bible are not independently corroborated, so when it's referred to as a source of evidence it's as useful as an anecdote. Your premise that because science can't do something or explain something, therefore god did it, is an indicator that a muster of evidence isn't a concern for you. There are no contemporary accounts of Jesus, and more importantly none that verify the divine claims associated with him. Although no contemporary accounts of Alexander exist, we do have independent corroborators that based their works off of originals, however, you won't find a historian claiming that any of the supernatural claims attested to Alexander are true, let alone corroborated in his historiography. In addition, his life and campaigns left behind a wake and legacy that is corroborated.
It is a truly sad reflection on society, especially when you see the ratio of vindictive and hateful comments made here compared to those with love or logic behind them. Exponentially speaking, it's a lot of haters out there., even sadder that so many claim to be striving to live up to a loving example. Just the fact that these commenters are here rather proves many atheists' points.
The Atheists, Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot agreed that religion was a shackle on humanity. They outlawed religion and went on to murder tens of millions of innocents.
My bad, christian commenters
Jon Fuller Do you believe in Mohammed or Allah?
Yeah, because the height of arrogance is not accepting extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence, let alone any evidence at all. Nice catchy keywords there, buddy. The irony is overwhelming.
Now we can tell Atheist that they break their 2nd commandment consistently with their arguments. Also, golden rule…come on that's just plagiarism. I love Mythbusters, sad to see Mr Savage involved in this but not surprising I guess. I'd say a lot more but rarely do I find an atheist honest enough to hold a conversation with. Atheism is a world view choice not a conclusion rooted in evidence or logic. It's not that GOD isn't a reasonable conclusion given the evidence, it's that GOD is an inconvenience to how they want to live.
Me thinks your reading comprehension has run afoul. Perhaps you should try again, in full, and mull over what each one explicitly implies. No projection.
Thanks for the sweeping generalizations. Care to elaborate?
axixic2 Lol, do you actually think people follow the 10 commandments? Only 2 or 3 of them are of any use, and they are followed regardless of their religion, and were followed before christianity was a thing; those 2 or 3 are completely independent of religion. Why don't you list off the 10 and tell us one US law for each of them.
Do not kill: Obvious. This is basic and generally followed by everyone everywhere.
Do not steal: Same as above:
Don't bear false witness: same.
The rest are garbage designed to enslave you to the religion, and have no bearing on secular law, and are hardly followed any more by the christians that claim there would be chaos without them. Keep the sabbath holy, that one is even meaningless to nearly all christians!
And atheists do ALL of these SAME THINGS. WE'RE ALL HUMAN. WE ALL FUCK UP. Some worse than others, and religion has no place in those decisions unless youre a terrorist or a psycho. Everything else is based on the desires of the individual. Don't base your opinion on religion by looking at the crazies. There's crazies EVERYWHERE you go in the world. Of all colors, races, and creeds. And that includes atheism whether you like it or not. Denying that fact is like demanding that grass grows blue instead of green then throwing a fit when it doesn't. It's absolutely absurd to form petty assumptions such as categorically defining all religions as nonsense and insanity because it doesn't fall within the parameters of what you find to be acceptable beliefs. That's called bigotry, asshole.
Jon Fuller I'm not offended by anything you've said (for that matter it takes a very great deal to offend me anyway). Maybe you're under the impression that I am because of point 2. Everyone guesses and theorizes about the world, what of it? Was me trying to understand why you brought it up in a vague fashion. I'm just trying to clarify what "You'll guess and theorize on things" is supposed to mean.
Mitch Tillman Lol, ya the vast majority is under attack! That is hilarious. I love your persecution complex, it will really get you places. And are you seriously using Pascal's Wager as an argument? It is fundamentally flawed because it assumes a false dichotomy; It claims that either there is the christian god, or there is no god. What about all the other religions? If atheists hold the wrong belief (which is reasonable to hold, btw), that does NOT mean that YOU are right! It is not a 50/50 chance. Stop listening to idiots feed you that garbage and actually think about it.
For being atheists they sure like to use religion to further their cause. Ha ha. You are a loser.
In leu of evidence, a positive claim is untenable, so how does the onus fall on an atheist? Sorry, but the concept of the golden rule predates the bible, in many culture's, including areas in Asia and the Middle-East (one of plethora of indicators of Judeo-Christianity's derivative nature–something most religions share anyway). Atheism is a disbelief or non-belief in the positive claim that god/s exist. It is a default position inherent to everyone. It's no more a choice than not accepting any other claim not backed by evidence. Logic is essentially moot in the negation of an actual belief.
God is as irrelevant to how I live as is any thing that isn't supported by evidence. I don't think about it the same way you don't think about a human being that can jump a thousand feet in to the air, unaided. The problem here seems to be in how we determine who has the burden of proof, and more importantly, what constitutes as evidence. You seem pretty certain that god (your particular god) exists… so, by what method do you demonstrate this? By what rigor do you conclude god exists, but don't do the same for talking hamsters? Before you get the wrong impression, I'm not being facetious.
Its not arrogant to say you don't know, not in the least. It, however, IS arrogant to assume the world can properly run on the belief in nothing. As fucked up as religions CAN be, have they not brought the world into the working order it currently resides? Without Catholicism, Judaism, and shit like that, do you honestly believe that there'd be no slavery right now? No oppression? Nobody trying to dominate a weaker force? Its pretty much fact that Jews established one of the earliest banking methods, in a big way. You like your credit cards and your expensive toys, and all the freedoms and rights afforded to you by the government? Thank religion for forming the basis of modern society. Here's an afterthought. If it wasn't for belief in religion, this country would never have been created. England persecuted non-conformers(Christians, at the time) back then and taxed the fucking fuck out of them. Without the intolerance of said actions by the pilgrims, Western civilization would simply be british civilization. Were it not for our RELIGIOUS founding fathers, Britain probably would've began to rule the whole world. Do any of you realize just how much stronger they actually were than us? A lot. We only exist as a sovereign nation because of RELIGIOUS Frenchmen helping us against Britain's almighty navy at the end of the revolution. History has proven time and again, that you, your ways of life, and your right to believe in whatever you want has been saved from annihilation by RELIGIOUS men and women all throughout recorded time. And for you people who condemn religion as being racist, or believing in pedophilia, just remember, ALL OF OUR ANCESTORS have inbreeding in them. They all had or were slaves at one point in time. And marrying a youngin wasn't wrong. Back then, none of that was wrong. It was all normal, everyday, average shit they lived with just like we do now with different weird shit. And if it wasn't for those histories, an innumerable amount of people wouldn't exist to be able to make things right, and most of said people have all been what? RELIGIOUS. Abraham Lincoln was a Christian man. He ratified the Emancipation Proclamation, effectively ending the concept of legal slavery in this country. How many other politicians in other places of the world, all throughout time, has ever done that? I bet you cant even guess. I won't lie, I know I can't either. But I refuse to believe its been any more than a handful. Now, about the "pedophilia" of the bible. Do you realize what our average life span was back then? Far shorter than our current 60-80 years. Wouldn't you want to marry a person young and healthy enough to give you children that can actually survive? Imagine being a 40 year old Israelite back then. No children, no family, no legacy. So what do you do? You marry the youngest girl you can find, capable of making babies, and you pump out as many as you can. And that kind of lifestyle persisted for thousands of years, and still does in other countries to this day! They didn't have medicine. Imagine all the dead babies parents had to deal with because there was simply nothing there to cause any kind of real healing. Dead babies = bad. Big families with young girls ensures that your children will be looked after you've dropped dead of infection at age 41. It also ensures that your bloodline doesn't slip away into nothingness and its those very practices that have allowed us to do what we have with our intelligence and create what he have created in our time as being more than simple hunter-gatherers.
#9 is the only one that makes sense in a naturalistic worldview. Why does a person have a "right" to control their own body? Why should a person be open-minded or leave the world better than they found it? These can't be "commandments." At best this list should be called "10 tips for getting along with others."
To bad they don't keep their own commandments. Now they will be judged by 20 instead of 10 when they die and stand before GOD whom they don't believe in. They will give account for every idle word. There is no credible evidence of evolution, nor the big bang, nor climate change yet they believe in those man made religions. The fool hath said in his heart there is no GOD.
no thanks, i'll stick with the original 10. besides, several of the ones they listed are already referenced some way in Scripture as it is.
Joseph VanSandt actually our legal system would be based off of them. Most of them were illegal until recently, such as adultery..now its just punishable in divorce settlements in states that allow for fault divorces.
Sweeping generalizations covers it. They have to force their views on people that like the old traditions. Example Christmas. They don't believe in it and want to change things to wipe it away.
John Martin Ya if you play semantics you might be able to fit adultery in there under specific circumstances. What about the rest of them? You just named the one that MIGHT fit, and conveniently ignored the rest. Go on. What about the rest?
Ken Strejc The fool says in his heart 'there is no God' – Psalm 14:1
Gerry Michaud Silly Republicans and theists and their close-minded, unshakable beliefs and their arrogant sweeping generalizations. See what I did there? Yeah, I wasted everybody's time, including my own. Have you been watching Bill O'Reilly lately? Got your guns locked and loaded to take on the imagined "War On Christmas"? Before you get yourself too worked up, perhaps you should Google: Hypocritical and Ironic, and perhaps Hysteria and Paranoia.
Let us all pray for these sick souls.
Religion is a CURSE…PERIOD!
If we are around this long, FUTURE generations in the years 3000+, are going to laugh at us as if we were living in the middle ages.
They'll never understand how society (back then) could have survived with their constant wars, based on religious beliefs.
Imagine the future mindset…
"A 'god' made this planet and universe??? hahahahahaha…such arrogance, since they were unable to cure the common cold, YET, there's a SUPREME BEING that controls everything?!"
"CLASSIC! "
sure wish the world lived off these commandments instead of the ones in the ultimate fairytale book….
don't need commandments to live a good life in society.. doesn't matter how many there are or were or whatever….
According to Mel Brooks there re 15 but Moses dropped a table.
I think you are confused, the religious people are the ones that have beliefs that allow them to feel better about the afterlife. They believe if I follow what their god says, they will go to heaven or have 72 virgins or whatever. So the only reason they behave are so they will get rewarded in the after life. Good people atheist or not do what is right not out of fear but because it is the right thing to do. The funny thing with the religious folk is they don't want to die even though they believe their afterlife will be the greatest thing they could imagine.
Haluk Bilgen And a plethora of other religious texts says your god is wrong… now what?
Atheists are as self-righteous as the "holier-than-thou" Evangelicals. In both groups there is no gray area, it`s all black and white only.
only religious people see it as an obomination of a society…we also view you and your religion as abomination, as you put it… it is fairy tale nonsense…you don't need a book to be a good person and even with it, christians specifically but all religions are and have been at senseless wars for thousands of years. they hate, kill,and on and on and on…..your religious beliefs and commandments don't get followed….you live hypocritical lives and then go to your church to repent about all the terrible crap you did the saturday before.
hello235 What is right should always have been right, what is wrong should always have been wrong. An all knowing omnipotent presence shouldn't change it's mind because people have evolved to different standards.
Another sweeping generalization brought to the board. Care to stroke that brush any broader?
Another sweeping generalization brought to the board. Care to stroke that brush any broader?
Whose going to hold them accountable? If there is no God then why have commandments?
Well that wasn't condescending!
actually they do.. moron…i don't want any religion in any public office. particularly in school where my children go… they don't need a bunch of radical religous beliefs being shoved down their throats against what i teach them…but it also my belief they shouldn't teach politics,religion, nor one sided christian view of history…
Matthew Crocker – "Don't know" = agnostic.
"Feck God, it's a fairy-tale" = atheist. (and who claims to KNOW there is no God)
I will not start a flame war with you or anyone else. Because I don't really care about your or anyone else's opinion. Opinions are like A**holes, everyone's got one and they all stink. Me, I'm neither Republican or Democrat, or overly religious, or own a gun. I did spend 20 years in the Navy as a photographer. I happen to like traditions. I love the old masses in Latin in the Catholic churches I went to growing up in Maine. And as for your silly comments on hypocritical and ironic hysteria and paranoia I laugh at it. Ever hear about the dems comments on the war on women, there never was one but it makes good press. Stupid people. Please don't bother to reply. I'm set to watch Shogun Assassin with Tomisaburo Wakayama. I love that movie.
we don't have to disprove god because you can't prove god….and it is the symbalism of a false religion we want removed from our childrens view. they deserve better than a false god, false promises, and empty hopes of an afterlife after being a chitty person here… make the best with what you got to work with.
Not to mention you can get a hearty helping of infanticide, slavery and the subjugation of women. Such a fun book!
It was made by a humanist organization–that's the point of the list, that we're accountable to each other, cause we're in this together.
I really don't care one way or the other. Since they got rid of the better cast members, I am not in the minority. Thanks for your "opinion" Zachie.
Some of the greatest scientific minds, past and contemporary are religious or at least agnostic so I don't see how your statement is true. Now please be a cliche and label me a religious person.
William Clifford True, but they are worthwhile considerations… the ones in the article, I mean.
Adults identifying as non-believers does not mean they identify as atheists. For ones who want to approach this matter in a scientific way, they should consider modifying their terms.
Every time I interview someone for my work and they say they are "non-religious" I follow up with questions. I have only ever once been told that the answer means atheist. Most people simply mean they are spiritual but do not follow any organized religion, or have merely stopped going to church and have not been going for a long while.
The term "religious" is loaded these days. Best not to confuse "non-religious" with "atheist".
a scientific theory as you put it, has fact. you don't sound so bright….your bible was written by man at a time we didn't understand the world. seeing a hurricane or tornado would have been written very different then than today, your bible writers also used to think the world was flat….if god wrote the commandments why did he need mosses? and why did he let other followers go up the hill? you have created all your statues and symbals to worship as well, all falsehoods with no backing. i know of your bible and actually tried to believe in the nonsense, until it was my turn, lol…..
There are more than 10! Carefully read the Bible!
Why do non-believers spend so much time on something they claim not to believe?
William Clifford I do not understand. According to the atheist doctrine mentioned in the article, all of you are, live and let live and peaceful. Yet you swear that anyone who believes differently than you do is an "abomination". Would that not go against your claim of peaceful and non judgmental?
Laura Lena Wans Were you clarifying what an Gnostic Atheist is, or are you implying that's what all atheists are?
seriously? this is your argument???my children can't go anywhere in this country without christian symbalism being in sight. you come to my door, churches on every corner, they get out of school for xmas, and on and on and on…..in my home christians are the sick evil ones trying to trick us to believing nonsense, and trying to get us to live their terrible hypocritical way of life and believe nonsense….they try to get our money and our welfare.
keep it in your own fucking household
William Clifford Yet you find it okay if your school teaches Islam and communism? Would It not make more sense to just start a school strictly for atheists and end the argument instead of demanding every child be indoctrinated as yours are? Or would that defeat the purpose of changing everyone to your ay of thinking?
Anti-Christ are too lazy and Unholy to follow the REL 10 Commandments…..
sounds like hocus pocus a christian would say and believe.
Haluk Bilgen And the fool reads the Bible and believes that God created Adam and Eve who had two sons Cain and Able one murders the other one……….then mankind without any women began. ………..but one can still believe in God or wonder about a sacred spirit with out believing in a religion. Isn't a little weird to quote scripture if people don't believe in the texts or the contributors etc.
Atheists are some of the most ignorant and close minded people I have ever met. It's almost funny they came up with this list.
Casey Wade Not true. Atheists are the ones who make demands to destroy every vestage of God even in private businesses. You are only proving what Christians say about you is true.
Glanda Widger It's no an "atheist doctrine" it's a humanist reworking of the commandments–a guideline for being accountable to each other. You're aware that many humanists are religious, right?
vauschrekab and you never argue or scream your side is right do you?
3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world. REALLY? How come someone is willing to accept the hypothesis of someone like Stephen Hawking but not the authors of the Bible? Especially considering every one of his major hypothesis have been disproven. What we learn from science only proves that God exists.
Zachary Heil shows just how little you understand. doesn't sound like you have ever REALLY studied the Bible….i heartily recommend it.
William Clifford just move to another country. Problem solved and stop trying to change the principals this country was founded on. America is not going to change to suit you nor its it going to bow down to your demands.
Alan Rockets I agree so stop trying to tell everyone to believe the way you do and get over your god complex.
plated.drake Highly unlikely if the posts put forth by atheists in this forum are anything to go by.
well if you read the main article and all the way down you would see i was referring to the original comment of
Glanda Widger Do you mean like private businesses that try to discriminate on religious grounds while being held accountable to the same federal anti-discrimination laws that other businesses adhere to? What demands are being made to destroy every vestige of god?
Glanda Widger And what principals would those be?
Glanda Widger Are you responding to something Alan said in a different thread? How is it a god complex and trying to tell everyone to believe the way he does, by telling the OP to stop assuming what he doesn't know about other's?
keyboard quit working. was referring to original comment on abomination
You think ISIS is pure evil? Let's see what the Bible god told his “chosen people” to do to their enemies:
"And Moses said unto them, ‘Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But of the virgin girl children you may keep these for yourselves.’”. Numbers 31:17
Samuel also said unto Saul, "…slay both man and woman, infant and suckling." 1 Samuel 15:1-3
"Their pregnant women shall be ripped up!" Hosea 13:16
“A curse on anyone who is lax in doing the LORD’s work! A curse on anyone who keeps their sword from bloodshed!” Jeremiah 48:10
Nothing much changes, does it? RELIGION is the root of all evil.
Atheists already violate the first twoof their own commanments.
.# 6,7,8 are Judeo -Christian principles. If they don't want to believe in God or follow a religion, nobody is forcing them to. It just seems like they are filled with animosity .
Patrick Cox Yes, I have, actually. No greater way to turn a theist into an atheist than by reading the bible, comprehensively–and more importantly, in a context of understanding ancient culture, ancient writers, and the other religions that influenced each other.
communism isn't religion, and they don't islam in schools here. kind of seems hypocritical doesn't it…do you even know the difference between socialism and communism?
If you want to know what the REAL BIBLICAL 10 are, watch a Youtube video "Ten Commandments" by 43Alley. VERY informative–and TRUE!!
Quick question: Do you believe religion exists in a vacuum?
Zachary Heil really? sounds more like someone who simply refused to believe the truths found in Scripture because i too have read the Bible in the same way you have and have fully accepted Jesus Christ as Savior. no atheism for me, thanks…it's the easy way out. i'll stick with God.
H. Charles,You obviously didn't really read it or you wouldn't have made such a ridiculous statement. Atheists are good without god. We don't need the fear of eternal damnation to live good lives and to respect others. That is the reason a lot of us dislike religions, because they are so intolerant of others' beliefs. When believers tell me that I have nothing to live for if I don't believe in a god, I tell them I have everything to live for, I have nothing to die for.
Ken Strejc what a joke, the entire universe and all life came from NOTHING. 'Science is stumped and can not come up with an explanation or a missing link,but you laugh at other peoples beliefs. ,Atheists non beliefs are just as funny
How do I violate the first two of those commandments? Are you extrapolating animosity from this Humanist commandment list or is it from somewhere else? Why are 6,7, and 8 Judeo-Christian principles? Do you have reason to believe they wouldn't have existed prior to its formation, in other cultures?
supporting abortion on demand and government forcing working people to feed clothe house and provide condoms for able bodied folks who don't wish to work …violate at least 9 of 'atheist ten commandments..
James Howery yet atheists believe in the imaginary nothingness as the creator and sustainer of life
if you say I have a right to do whatever i desire with my body, then I refuse to work to support people who don't want to work…. the hours I work are for me and my family only calling it selfish behavior is not very scientific..
John Criscione What science hasn't figured out, it does not proclaim to know, especially with absolute, unwavering certainty. We don't know the full story of our universe, but that does not equal: God did it, let alone your specific god. And what missing link are you talking about?
Casey Wade Deal, and please atheists, go about your business and let believers believe, why do you non believersfeel compelled to criticize and ridicule believers?
John Criscione It's quite easy to knock a straw man down, isn't it?
Zachary Heil Lack of principals for atheist's. You need to stop day dreaming and read the history or move.
John Criscione I don't criticize believers, unless they're being deliberately obtuse (a rarity), i criticize untenable beliefs though. Not because I find pleasure in it, but because unsubstantiated beliefs can have negative impacts on us all.
Tom Wiley So you admit that you dislike those who practice religion and yet say you are not intolerant of other's beliefs. I have no problem with Christians or atheists so I guess that makes me different than you.
Zachary Heil you
You seemed to miss the point about it being a humanist organization making the list–there are many religious humanists.
Don't confuse guidelines with labor and tax laws… that's just silly.
William Clifford no but it is a way of life that you just admitted you condone. It seems that any thing that defeats religion is okay with you. You and I have been down this road before dear and I am not a practicing Christian but I will not falter in my belief that your way is not a dangerous road as long as you are willing to embrace the loss of freedom for everyone else in order to enhance your own freedoms.
This article and the atheist are hilarious…. Their ten commandants sound like a five year old thought them up. Good luck with them. How about a reality check!!! Go tell ISIS AND THE TAILIBAN and I'm sure they'll listen and follow your new religion!!! No one but self absorbed leftist will even seriously consider them to be anything other than PC correctness! Good one guys… needed that Saturday morning live humor!!!
William Clifford you better check again because they most certainly do teach the fundamentals of Islam in some schools as well as Muslim in public schools. You are so intent on your desire to erase any sign of religion that you have willingly allowed destructive and dangerous things to be taught to your children. Is that in the name of atheism or ignorance?
Things are so bad for atheists, they even have to invent their own scripture.
Katje Hansen actually you were right when you said atheist points
If you are an atheist, you drop the first three Commandments and follow the rest. The remaining seven delineate the cause of every and all problems people create for themselves and others on the earth.
Zachary Heil Honey I gave up on your obnoxious renderings many threads back. So speak only when spoken to how about it.
Christopher Lynn Comer You're incorrect. These people are trying to get laws passed that give them a more privileged position. You want examples? Look at all the Christians trying to get creationism crammed into science classes at public school. Look at all the Christians that try to pass laws preventing gays from marrying. Look at all the Christians that try to pass laws against women getting an abortion. Look at all the Christians that continue to try to get government sponsored prayer into public events and settings. Are you really not seeing these multiple examples of Christians trying to impose their beliefs on others?
Patrick Cox This might be where we differ. You see, I don't accept the bible because the bible tells me I should, and I also don't because it isn't independently corroborated to verify its "truths". I didn't take the easy way out, you took the easy way in (whether through confirmation bias or some other misappropriated standard of evidence). There's next to nothing in the bible that isn't derivative of other religions and cultures that preceded and existed alongside the formations of both "testaments". It's no more believable than any other text of its time, before or after.
good and about time. Lets get it carved out of marble and placed on the courthouse steps in every county in this country. At least it is well thought out, and not the inner ravings of a bunch of uneducated and delusional goat herders.
Glanda Widger That doesn't answer his question at all. What "principals" was this country founded on? You made the argument, let's see you defend it.
John Criscione Have you read this news story at all? Look at all the believers who start posts flat out insulting atheists. Why aren't you telling them to not criticize & ridicule? Even if you followed this thread, you'd see some people mention why we criticize: believers continue to try to force their belief on others.
The word atheists means-a person who believes there is No God. With a capital G. Have any atheists explained how the world began-was created, etc. Do they believe in the Big Bang 'theory'? Do they subscribe to Darwin's 'theory' of evolution?
Notice I italicize the word theory. Because a theory is not provable-just one mans idea of how something happened.
Why would a true atheists need any Commandments? Commandments are imperatives-beliefs to live by. Do atheists just live their lives on a day to day basis with NO need or desire to live by certain commandments? Kinda silly to have a contest to write a set of superfluous commandment(s) for atheists, dontcha know! Another exercise in futility. But go ahead, you mindless atheists need something-particularly at this time of year-to debunk the Bible.
Scripture… right. It's called making a point about the common tactic of saying atheists can't do good without god, as well as the idea that almost anyone could write a more comprehensive guideline than the original 10 commandments, to live a good and healthy life, while holding yourself accountable to the rest of the people you share the world with.
Christopher Lynn Comer Scientist's and religious people at odds which is OK .But I hearing being an atheist or agnostic or secular and you're not a good American .It just don't make sense except if you want power and adoration not respect……….. but adoration.
Glanda Widger what?
It's heartbreaking to see that so many people don't believe in Jesus. People get the misconception that following Christ is a death sentence. But think about it. Do people who bash Christ by saying horrific things seem like a happy person? On the other hand true christians are extremely happy. That is because once you truly let Christ come into your heart he actually makes himself known. The thing is that those who don't accept him can't experience this so they don't believe. Jesus bless those who don't believe. I pray that people will at least give him a chance. He is extremely real and l can't live without him.
Okay, so now they want people to pray to the head of the Atheist group. Yeah, that'll work. You know religion issues had pretty much died down until these idiots brought religion to the forefront again. And why? Well, usually it means they are out there looking for money to advance their cause.
doesn't seem much different from religion. Pretty soon you'll have your own set of prayers to your master atheist.
When there is the love of God, there is no need for law.
When there is no God, there are no laws sufficient enough.
No God, No Peace. Know God, KNOW Peace. No matter what the non-believers think/claim/believe/don't believe… those of us who know God lives, know one day all will kneel before Him. And then, it will be too late for some.
Ted Chu Who wrote your 10 commandments Ted
is it coincidence that people tend to stay with whatever religion they were raised in, and this religion tends to be whatever religion is dominant in the community/nation where they live? If people were genuinely convinced by the arguments which apologists offered, shouldn't the distribution of religions around the globe be a bit more even? The high and consistent degree of religious concentrations suggests that people believe their religion because that's the one they were indoctrinated into and which is consistently reinforced around them. People acquire a religion before critical thinking skills and that religion is promoted without most people noticing. That's really not a very good reason to believe that a religion is true, is it?
Zachary Heil well then, have a nice life which means you go your way and i'll go mine. merry Christmas.
Glanda Widger Actually I love history… so what part of the constitution has to do with "Lack of principles for atheists"? Whatever that means.
Sorry guys, just ain't buyin' the "We're good too!" angle. Mao and Stalin ruined it for ya…
Glanda Widger You're the one that commented on a public forum. If you only want to converse with Alan, then send them a private message, otherwise be prepared to be called out on your shenanigans.
Glanda Widger It's one thing to teach the fundamentals of the major religions in a Religious Studies/Humanities/World History class. It's a completely different topic to proselytize on those religions being correct and give them special treatment in the curriculum. I'm sure there have been classes where Islam has been given special treatment, but for every instance of this that you give me, I can show you 20 instances of Christianity getting special treatment in the classrooms.
Glanda Widger Read it again, I didn't say I disliked those that practice religion, I said I disliked religions. Most of my friends and relatives are believers. Religions try to control people with false statements and fear. And yes, you are different than me, we are all different from each other, isn't that cool?
Glanda Widger Nope, she was right with atheists' points. Look at all the ignorant Christian commenters so far on this board.
So by your poor logic, all the religious atrocities means that you're not good either? Way to engage in logical fallacies instead of making coherent arguments.
Joseph VanSandt
having one God who says we originate from a common man and woman originally..
means we are all created equal in His likeness ie. our soul..deserving of the dignity that
descends to equally royal neighbors of any color race etc..
the injunction of sabbath if followed..
gives rest to your household including you and your servants..and your farm animals
what an amazing introduction into the world given 3300 years ago..
.. take/give a day off per weekand give it to all who labor..
are you saying 'honor thy parents' is meaningless
to a social darwinist a parent is closer to the apes so
why honor them…
but then your child will not honor you and your vast secular knowledge and wisdom either..
don't steal in ten C's actually means don't kidnap.. so you want to keep that one ok
how about don't commit adultery.. wish to throw loyalty and faithfulness out the window ?
often same secular group demanding equal right to marry a biological copy of themself…
do so on the basis of swearing loyalty to one spouse..
to gain dignity and tax exemption and rights of inheritence etc..
want to ignore the law against adultery in biblical big 10 ?
Do you approve of coveting ?
do you desire what your neighbor has ..
meaning his/her treasures as opposed to similiar treasure but in faithfulness by the fruits of your own labor..
again.. how many of them make sense to you in today's society ..
And you can claim that you have such certainty until the cows come home, but until you can provide valid evidence for why your beliefs are true, don't be surprised when others dismiss them as nothing more than wishful thinking.
“The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality of happiness, and by no means a necessity of life.”
― George Bernard Shaw
It's great that you believe, but do you ever wonder why people criticize religious belief?
@Ken strejc..what amazes me is that atheist make fun of the Bible because they're talking snakes and donkeys but yet believe that we're walking talking primates. Lol!
These Fifteen*crash* These Ten commandments!
An atheist is someone that's doesn't believe in deities or has a non-belief about deities (regardless of whether you acknowledge them or not, mankind has thousands of "gods" to contend with).
You're conflating the colloquial use of the word theory (which means guess or supposition) with the actual definition of a scientific theory (which is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomena, using observation of facts, analyzing data, and importantly making prediction within a potentially falsifiable hypothesis). You couldn't be any more wrong about what a scientific theory is. And belief in these theories is irrelevant, what matters is whether or not you accept them as credible (which to the best of our current understanding, they are).
It's not an exercise in futility, it's making a point about how the notion that God/s is required for an atheist or nonbeliever to do good and be moral is nonsensical. It's a guideline for a humanistic outlook, where we recognize and accept how accountable we all are to each other. There are many religious humanists. All secular humanism is, is the removal of religion from influence in specific sociological spheres, like government, education, criminal justice, etc.
Honestly, there's so much incorrect information on this post that I don't even know where to start. I guess let's start from the beginning shall we?
– Your definition of atheist isn't complete. It also defines those who lack a belief in a god. It's not just the people who belief there is no god. You got 50% of it correct.
– To be an atheist, you don't have to explain how the world began, you just have to lack a belief in god or believe that no gods exist. That's all.
– With regards to how the world began, several atheists do follow the scientific evidence and accept the position that the scientific community has reached based off of evidence.
– You don't know what a theory is in science and it's embarrassing to see how you rationalize it. You know what else is a theory in science? Germ disease, gravity, plate tectonics, etc. I DARE you to say "BUT GRAVITY IS A FACT@!!@!" because that will just prove how clueless you are you what scientific theories are.
– You're correct that atheists don't "need" any Commandments. This exercise that this article is based on it is just trying to wrap around some general positions that atheists in Western countries hold and show people that we do have standards on which we base our lives. It's partly an attempt to educate the multitudes of Christians and other religious people who incorrectly scream stupid stuff like "ATHEISTS BELIEVE IN NOTHING!!"
– We'll go ahead with this mindless activity as you Christians mindlessly go about attacking us without actually learning about any of the positions we hold.
Ken Strejc << This guy believes in talking snakes! XD What do you call a deceiver? I'll help you out: snake. Be wise as ______? Serpents
Do you have the misconception that following Zeus or Apollonius of Tyana is a death sentence? When you fully understand why you don't believe in those religious leaders, you'll understand why many others don't believe in Jesus.
i was raised to believe. but the older i became the less it seemed true.
I question everything that cannot be seen or tested to see if it is true.
FACTS are my guide in life.
I treat people well . i love the world . i would help anyone i can .
BUT we do not need to be religious to be moral . Morality is found in the prefrontal cortex of the brain.
It is called the Super ego.
Meaning it superimoses itself onto the ego, to prevent us from stealing, because we want money.
We know it is wrong.
Psychopaths have very low, or nonexistant super ego function.
That is why they kill with impunity.
They lack the super ego that tells us it is wrong.
Mr Heil, this will be my only reply…I apologize but I have mostly retired from 15 years worth of hearing the debate and participating in them. I stand by my statement, this has NOTHING to do with evidence or lack there of but is rooted in a choice to filter the evidence to fit a world view, breaking the listed 2nd commandment by not following the evidence to its most reasonable conclusion. The best we can do is, like in court, present the evidence to come to the most reasonable conclusion. Apply Occam's razor to the evidence, a creator makes a lot more sense than relying on purposeless chance to create the super complex universe and biological systems we can observe. I can sit here and list tons of evidence but online it is mostly pointless as I have observed that when I have made this commitment of my time and energy I reach the same conclusion, this is about world view not an honest search for the truth.
Last word, truth is universal so when different religions or different philosophies share some truths it makes perfect sense. We did not use the term golden rule until CHRISTIAN Europe coined it around the 1670's.
I'm done now, enjoy your day.
Something that is particular about science is that hypotheses are/potentially falsifiable. By what method would you go about confirming or denying biblical claims? What is it that we've learned from science that proves God (a particular one) exists?
Dear religious people, don't worry, when atheists become the majority,(and it will happen sooner than you think) we will treat you far better than you have historically treated us when you were the majority.
To know something is extremely different than just believing something.
Glanda Widger Aww, do you not like it when people call you out on your BS? I'm sorry that you can't formulate actually arguments and have to resort to petty retorts.
Glanda Widger Aww, do you not like it when people call you out on your BS? I'm sorry that you can't formulate actually arguments and have to resort to petty retorts.
Atheists get their inspiration from God and Christians. Were it not for them, atheists wouldn't have any reference point.
I think 9 clarifies that the list is a guideline, not a blueprint. I also see the entire effort as making a point about the nonsensical claim that atheists, non-believers, humanists can't do good and be moral without interjecting God into the equation.
mitch-god lives in your heart–must be awful crowded in there!!!!
Watch this video if you want to learn how religions really got started;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50&sns=em
And Christians get their inspiration from the ancient mysteries and their plethora of gods, were it not for them, Christians wouldn't have any reference point. See what i did there? For what it's worth Judeo-Christianity is as much as a derivative religion as it is an original one. My inspiration and reference points come from all walks of life.
Jon Fuller So, to your mind "Athiest also believe that man came form monkeyfish" is not offensive? BS, but you do back peddle nicely.
There's a great documentary about Mel Brooks out now… on Netflix if you got it. Can't remember the name right off hand.
kad_ima having one god is meaningless until you demonstrate the existence of that god.
– forced to take a day off per week? really? i love my work and love being around the people who frequent my business. why would i be forced to take off because your deity also took off a day?
– honor thy parents? why? how about herbert and catherine schiable…they killed two of their children by praying for their health to improve instead of bringing them to the hosipital where they would have been cured. honor and respect is not given instantly, it must be earned.
– theft is a no-no in every culture and is not original to christianity nor did it originate with christi8anity. read the egyptian book of the dead (funny how christianity has the ninth commandment, thou shalt not steal, yet stole most of their commandments from the book of the dead and other cultures).
– adultery is bad? it is bad because of religion. humans are not monogamous animals. the idea that sex with someone other than your partner is taught as bad by religion only. I am in an open marriage along with thousand of other couples and we are happy and very comfortable. how is that bad?
– coveting is very important. i will quote George Carlin here, that's what keeps the economy rolling. Your neighbor gets a new state of the art dildo, you wanna get one too!
– how about the nonsensical rule of not taking the lord's name in vain? is he that insecure?
– how about god being a jealous god and not having any other gods?
the only on the list of 10 brought down by Moses are not bearing false witness and not stealing. I will exempt the 'thou shalt not kill' because there are circumstances when killing is a moral thing to do (assisted suicide, self defense, neutralizing a threat to others, protecting a child are just a few examples). so even the big one, thou shalt not kill is kinda out the window
kad_ima having one god is meaningless until you demonstrate the existence of that god.
– forced to take a day off per week? really? i love my work and love being around the people who frequent my business. why would i be forced to take off because your deity also took off a day?
– honor thy parents? why? how about herbert and catherine schiable…they killed two of their children by praying for their health to improve instead of bringing them to the hosipital where they would have been cured. honor and respect is not given instantly, it must be earned.
– theft is a no-no in every culture and is not original to christianity nor did it originate with christi8anity. read the egyptian book of the dead (funny how christianity has the ninth commandment, thou shalt not steal, yet stole most of their commandments from the book of the dead and other cultures).
– adultery is bad? it is bad because of religion. humans are not monogamous animals. the idea that sex with someone other than your partner is taught as bad by religion only. I am in an open marriage along with thousand of other couples and we are happy and very comfortable. how is that bad?
– coveting is very important. i will quote George Carlin here, that's what keeps the economy rolling. Your neighbor gets a new state of the art dildo, you wanna get one too!
– how about the nonsensical rule of not taking the lord's name in vain? is he that insecure?
– how about god being a jealous god and not having any other gods?
the only on the list of 10 brought down by Moses are not bearing false witness and not stealing. I will exempt the 'thou shalt not kill' because there are circumstances when killing is a moral thing to do (assisted suicide, self defense, neutralizing a threat to others, protecting a child are just a few examples). so even the big one, thou shalt not kill is kinda out the window
One example to answer both your questions is the study of macro evolution. Scientist have yet to prove evolution and those that have studied it say that if evolution were true we would have turned out much differently. That nature would have come up with a vastly different being than the current human model. So science in so facto proves that God created man.
When Lord Jesus comes every knee shell bow before Him ,even atheists but will be too late for them .Today if you hear the word of God repent to Him that you may have life.
I like it when you call me stupid. It puts me in same box as the other 94% of stupid Americans that believe in some kind of deity; and not in the 6% of the country who may be atheists..The ones doing all the name calling because the rest of the country doesn't pay much attention to them…
Ken Strejc this is not pathetic. we are in reality. many things in the Bible are just symbolic and not meant to be taken literally. don't insult others' beliefs as yours can't be proven either. try a little biblical research and you will see it's not what you think it is.
Can I add one commandment? Use your damned turn signals.
Jesus gave us just two commandments – love God and love one another. When we do this, all the other commandments take care of themselves.
Philippians 2:10-11
So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:11
For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”
Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn; from my mouth has gone out in righteousness a word that shall not return: ‘To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear allegiance.’
Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10
So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.
Revelation 5:13
And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
Revelation 1:18
And the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
Romans 11:36
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen.
Dan Keane: Aren't you here trying to do the same thing? Telling people what to believe; albeit with no dues that we believers know about?
you're just as stupid if you're insulting the Christians too. you're being just like them!
Maria Wilson Thanks for not providing any logical arguments other than emotional pleas based off fear. It says a lot about your beliefs when you can't formulate a coherent defense and have to resort to fear tactics.
Isaac Suarez It isn't about a world view at all, save for adhering to standards of evidence. There is no reasonable conclusion other than "we don't know" concerning our current evidence. To come to your conclusion, is to base the scenario as a dichotomy, which you can't even do since you don't have sufficient evidence to know what all likelyhoods are. We can measure the act of the Big Bang, but don't know what goes beyond it, we don't know the implications, and you won't find a scientist that claims to know so.
I would just like to understand why when I see anything on an Atheist Article or news….it's always against Christianity? I mean call me crazy, but isn't atheism the belief of non-religion? This would count for all religions…..ALL. I would also like to point out why they feel the need to care what other people believe in? I for one don't care what they do, but most conversations that I've had with a Headstrong atheist is just them reading off passages of the Bible that are bloody, to then which i usually tell them to read the context of why there was a battle, or why there was death. Moral of the story, don't worry about what God or Higher being one believes in, Take it from their actions to what they hold you hold them too.
Gary Lee I should clarify: the stupidity I'm referring to is related to the dumb Christian posters on here who spout ignorance about atheists and atheism. I wasn't saying that all religious people are stupid.
Lisa Vitagliano I should clarify: the stupidity I'm referring to is related to the dumb Christian posters on here who spout ignorance about atheists and atheism. I wasn't saying that all religious people are stupid.
Joseph VanSandt Whenever you open your own business you can put whatever you want in the front of it. If you want to put the evolution sign of a monkey turning into a man in front that's your choice but I wouldn't shop there.
1. I hope no one provides any "evidence" regarding health benefits obtained via sex with 12 years olds.
2. If you don't know what the truth is how do you really know what is more likely to be true? How many people defied common knowledge and pursued something "everyone" else said was false. What's more likely, we came in to existence from an eternal conscience or everything exists for no reason at all? Does not 2 and 1 contradict one another?
3. If you don't want "us" abusing terminology then please don't do it yourself. The scientific method is a procedural checklist (for lack of better phrasing) and nothing more. It does nothing regarding whether the information is factual, only that the information was processed accordingly.
4. Until rich people coerce you in to signing a document making you their slave. And young people are going to feel the brunt of this because when they don't get whey they want out of life suicide becomes a great alternative to living.
5. Says people who have been influenced by the very God they reject. Why even mention "God"? Interesting.
6. Finally a good one.
7. mimicking the good book again I C.
8. I can agree with that, so when are you guys going to promote theism? Atheism has had 5,000+ years to take root in a culture… it hasn't. Why? What horrible fate awaits those cultures that embrace atheism?
9. What does this even mean? You don't support child molestation I'm sure so what are you going to do? Eliminate all the things we can't do and whatever left is fine? How is that any different than what people already believe? You might as well had wrote, "Do you whatever you wish so long as I don't disagree with it".
10. Good idea.
4 our of 10.
Frankly, I only need one commandment: Live with honor, honesty and respect for all things.
Desmond Shervington That's because we are primates… it doesn't matter whether you or I believe it or not. A cursory study of biology and taxonomy might clear up some things for you.
Joseph VanSandt If you knew what you were talking about you'd know that the 10 Commandments were given to the Jews. When Jesus came to the Earth He created He came with the commandment to "Love each other" (John 15:17) because He knew that if people really loved one another then they would not kill each other, rob from each other, or even judge each other. But since you atheist don't believe in God or Jesus you wouldn't understand that and you wouldn't be so hypocritical in you small minded thinking. Maybe you should read a Bible sometime instead of a book by Richard Dawkins, Charles Darwin or Stephen Hawkin and yes I have read their books and they are all opinionated pieces of drivel with no REAL evidence to support them.
This is not the first time oneone trying to rewrite/redefine what God has already set for humans.
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5“For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 3:4
Zachary Heil: Well it stands to reason in a country that is predominantly christian that you will see signs of that faith wherever you go, from churches on every other block to utterances of faith on all manner of blogs and the media. It looks like you'll have to move to another country for piece of mind. I hear China is nice; they're 47 % atheist…
Alan Rockets: If a majority of anyone wants laws passed, can get the support, and these laws are not in violation of the Constitution; that is their right..
Zachary Heil: Why do you think you can apply the social mores of the 21st century to the world 2000 or more years ago?
Casey Wade Buying an invisible product??? It takes more faith to believe in something as foolish as evolution and the big bang then it does to believe in creation. There is no REAL scientific evidence for the THEORIES. That is why the are called theories because they can't be proven. What would you say if I told you I took a bunch of metal and stuck some dynamite under it and when I set the explosive off the car I drive suddenly appeared?
I'm in – I like the new 10 – makes so much more sense – just ask George Carlin – if we could – he'd like this
Said by someone who truly has no moral compass and needs threats of burning for eternty to be good person. If your gullible belief in god is the only thing keeping you from going on a mass murder spree then keep believing.
Zoltan Fazekas: Ya' come up with anything better yet; and that would not be counting the "poor cousin" of the original 10 commandments as shown in this article? You're atheists and don't believe in an afterlife; so what's the point? Why do you feel you need commandments anyway? You can do what you want; justify it to yourself as "right and moral", and then lambast others when they call you on it, saying: "Keep your religion out of my life, I'll do what i want."
I still wonder why Christians ignore the other 603 commandments.
Atheists never say anything about Islam? Under which rock in the Sahara have you been hiding lol? Try Google before showing your ignorance next time, but it was worth the 45 minute laugh. Oy my sides!
Joseph VanSandt The law wasn't given because it wasn't known. The law was given to make it plan. The law was accepted because Israel, like you, thought that it was so obvious and doable that it wouldn't impeded their claims of self righteousness which you think you have.
Lose the 5th Commandment and think up another. When you're an atheist and you have "God" in one of your commandments you sound strident. Like you're still protesting, rather than codifying your rules for living. (And I'm a devout and happy Catholic…a big God fan. So it makes no difference to me what you select as commandments…just a suggestion as to how it struck me as I read them. And in the end, God either exists or He doesn't. So I'm right or you are. So if He doesn't exist, then the "laugh" is on me. If He does exist, then please, when you die, don't try to argue with Him that He's actually not there.)
For Bible students who have difficulty interpreting verses, here's a quick study tip. THEY MADE IT UP!!!
Gary Lee Yes, that's their right, but you mentioned the big qualifier "not in violation of the Constitution". The Christians who want their religion to get special preference don't think about this all important qualifier.
Gary Lee it is also our right to speak and try to convince religious people that their beliefs and positions are unfounded. Why do we have to move just so Christians can live in a bubble?
1. Yeah, because justifying criminal behavior is what they were shooting for. I really hope you don't need this one explained.
2. It's about calculating compulsory evidence, and not letting beliefs or preconceived notions get in the way of reasonable deductions. 1 and 2 complement each other, and are great starting points for skeptical inquiry.
3. Your stretching it real thin here. The scientific method produces data, that data is extrapolated and worked out, like in 1 and 2 to provide us with the best understanding we currently know to have about the world. It's not just a checklist of procedure, it's a checklist and consideration of results as well.
4. It's pretty simple, you are your keeper. Nobody gets to say what you can and cannot imbibe into or otherwise do with your body. Numerous laws and regulations come to mind.
5. Is a direct response to the oft nonsensical argument that an atheist, non-believer, humanist can't be moral or good unless they believe in/have a fear of God or otherwise attempt to interject god/belief into the social landscape.
6. Just a reasonable as the others
7. The good book? Except that philosophical concept predates the good book from numerous cultures.
8. Nice tangent, stick to the point. Considering others means that you don't disregard them, outright. It doesn't mean you have to accept or promote any of their ideas, it just means being cohesive and trying to maintain that cohesiveness.
9. Meaning that absolutism and dogma aren't required, and more importantly, that the guideline/list itself isn't a blueprint. Life is dynamic, scenarios and circumstances are different. It's do as you wish so long as you aren't hurting others.
10. Again, as reasonable as the others.
All I could say is that you follow an atheist page or news source more frequently, religions in general are discussed all the time, especially when it comes to international news.
Questions to pose to the Wise guys of Atheism
1) Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence – Can you explain what is being open minded. And how do we rely on new evidence. This will lead to anarchy as 6 billion people will have six billion different open minds
2) Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true – If the evidence points to be most likely that God (Allah) really exists then are you supposed to reject it because you wish God (Allah) did not exist
3) The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world – Can you define the scientific method and how can you link it up with understanding the natural world
4) Every person has the right to control over their body – already we are witnessing the negative consequences of this stupid right in society where family life and childcare is being devalued leading delinquency and drug addiction
5) God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life – how do you define or judge the standard of being good and atheism is itself leads to a life with no meaning that is live according to our animal instincts
6) Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them – Your point 4) will itself scuttle all attempts at achieving this – for you will be behaving most probably like the apes and baboons found in the African jungles
7) Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective – well if all become free thinkers like it is being suggest this will lead to chaos as there will be no defined standard
8) We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations – After observing the said commandments we will not consider others because every one has the right to think themselves as a know all
9) There is no one right way to live – Well this is same as 6) and will lead to chaos and anarchy
10) Leave the world a better place than you found it – Well if the above commands are followed we will all leave the place in a worst condition than we found it
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1692212/atheists-rewrite-ten-commandments-mythbusters-adam-savage-judged-new-commands/#ISgCY8ydG1VYkoCB.99
I am an atheist. I believe there is no god. What you believe is fine with me, as long as it doesn't impose on me. I have loads of Christian friends who post Christian memes and such, and I dont mind a bit. They can have church in the front yard if they like, I don't mind. Ill even park cars for them if they like. They can say Merry Christmas all they like, and tell me how Jesus loves me. That's Ok with me. Because I have every right to respond. That is civilized society. What NOBODY wants if for government to be subsidizing any religion with taxpayer money. Senators and congressmen, and presidents can all say prayers on TV. No problem! But when they start spending my taxes on their religious displays, to the exclusion of any others, then theres a problem. Best bet is NOT to use taxpayer money to subsidize ANY religion. That's freedom of religion. YOU are free to pay for your OWN, without using MY money.
So why do we need commandments? They are the rules for a civilized society. Thou shalt not kill. thou shalt not steal, honor thy father and mother, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, love ty neighbor as thyself. Care for the sick and poor. Be tolerant of others views, but not necessarily their actions. You don't need god to reward you with everlasting life for these commandments to benefit you. They are the key to a happy bountiful life. To follow these laws is to benefit civilization, and civilization benefits everyone except psychopaths. Without any commandments, it would be every man for himself.
Those other ten commandments are pretty basic, and mostly commanding you to keep that particular faith or you go to hell forever! And most Christians I know don't follow most of those. Caught a guy cheating the insurance company once, asked him how he can call himself a preacher and steal from the insurance company. He said he can pretty much do as he wants, as long as he begs forgiveness afterwards. Oh, and promise not to do it again…
Although I can't speak for the organization, I believe it was to make a point/clarification against the nonsensical argument that atheists, non-believers and humanists can't be good/moral without interjecting God.
I'm sure this won't be disseminated into a, but, but, but Pol Pot! and Stalin! kind of argument.
We should follow the original 15 (crash), uh, 10 commandments.
Zachary Heil – Sir, my reply was to Matthew's comment. My son is a self-declared agnostic. Look up the meaning. As for me, I don't know about talking hamsters but I do see plenty of talking monkeys, so there is a God.
Zachary Heil Seriously? That is your argument for how Christianity affects your life on a daily basis? Businesses are closed on Sunday, and Churches use billboards? Are you so weak minded that things like that take a toll on you? No one tells these businesses to close on Sunday, that is a choice that they make, and how about throwing a fit over the sex shops buying up billboard space, and the liquor companies advertising .. Yes, Christians gripe about abortion, and rightly so, but they also are not the only ones. There are several non religious people that gripe about it as well. Abortion is taking a life, and will always be a hotbed of discussion and dissent… And no one will look down you and not vote for you based on your belief in religion if you decided to run for office.. Religion is never brought up in an election except by the choice of the candidate, mostly because it can't be used for political gain, by law. I personally have several friends that are agnostic or atheist, my brother included .. It does not cause problems with us, so if it is causing you issues in conversation, maybe you should find new friends … Now explain to me why you think that it is ok for people with your lack of beliefs, to have any say what so ever about my right to beliefs, and my right to celebrate religious holidays, but it isn't ok for the majority of people to publicly be Christian. This seems to be a relatively new fight (last 10-15 years) Where atheists fight to stop all displays of Christmas, and Easter, and throw a fit any time there is a christian get together that they are not being forced to attend… You have yet to show me anything at all on how Christianity affects your life directly ..
Humanism is a religion now? What does that make religious humanists? Religious religious humanists? Hey, you stay classy though!
Sorry, what "religious atrocity" equated to 100 million exterminated in secular communism? The only atrocity brought by Christianity was the 50,000-dead, catholic inquisition, NOT guided by scripture, whatsoever. That's the point of this article, right? Adhering to a newly-made scripture.
Mark Mitchum Wow! More logical fallacies from Mark! First off, communism as seen in the Soviet Union was NOT secular. There's a difference between secular and atheistic. Secularism makes no comment on religious belief or the lack of religious belief whereas the Soviet Union was atheistic in that it didn't allow god belief. There's a difference.
Secondly, atrocities from Christianity include everything from the Atlantic slave trade, the genocide of native populations, the systematic oppression of women and other races based off religion, etc. Now, you might say "But those things had other reasons behind them too!" To which I would point out the same thing about the communism you mentioned: there were other factors behind it too, not just religious differences.
Thirdly, there's nothing in atheism that leads to the killing of others. Atheism is simply the lack of god-belief. The killings of the Soviets were not because of their lack of belief in a god but rather because their belief that other thoughts were dangerous to the state. THere again is a big difference.
Laura Lena Wans Incorrect. Also, are you serious with this reply "I do see plenty of talking monkeys, so there is a God?"
Atheism & theism are about positions of BELIEF. Whereas gnosticism and agnosticism are about positions of KNOLWEDGE. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist. Alternatively you can be a gnostic atheists, an agnostics theists and an gnostic theist.
Scott Milanowski Um, no… not even remotely so. The fact that you're using the term macro evolution as if it stands apart from the rest of the evolutionary process leads me to believe that you don't understand what the theory says, and that more than likely you're getting your keyword from some rehashed creationist/ID website or other media. Proofs/absolutes are for mathematics, science is in the business of confirming or falsifying.
Evolution theory is one of our most comprehensively confirmed theories (corroborated by dozens of independent fields of study)–and let's be clear here, I'm talking about a scientific theory, not the laymen, colloquially used term of theory (which just means guess or supposition). A scientific theory, like evolution, is an explanatory model that uses observational data (facts), analyzation, testing, retesting and prediction to either falsify or confirm a hypothesis. Micro and Macro evolution are just descriptives for different timescales, and the processes that happen within them. They're both evolution, they're inseparable in scope. Nature did in fact come up with a vast array of different hominids, and so far as we know, to date, we're the only ones to have survived. No where in our comprehensive, albeit incomplete, understanding of bio-diversity does the concept of man being created, least of all by a god, come into fruition.
That being said, don't take my word for it, actually study the science–and I mean the actual science, not the creationist/ID community that believes they can pass off non-scientific processes as scientific–their capitulation to forego the peer-review process and offer a functional hypothesis/theory.
There are thousands–even miliions of thomes on rules and regulations, but only God could have summarized so succinctly the essence of who He is into ten simple rules–He is love, and He is faithful. If we want to partake of His character, and one day live in His universe, we have to have the same spirit.
These ten, apparently cold, rules are anything but. Read each one and you'll see that behind each one is the principle of transparency, faithfulness and love. In heaven nobody cheats, steals, robs or is envious, and nobody is unfaithful. God is telling us–I am all those things. If you want to live with e forever, you have to understand this and let me change your heart.
Christopher Lynn Comer Weak minded? coming from the guy who bought the invisible product, believes in magic and superstition, indoctrinated into a bronze age cult. Time for you to have some self reflection.
I'm not comfortable with anyone thinking they have the right, authority or superiority to be issuing commandments to anyone much less myself…and while I agree with the 10 listed here…I find labeling them COMMANDMENTS a bit ironic…Reasonable Suggestions might be more apt.
Casey Wade I know where I am, and how strong my mind is. I am not the one on a message board insulting people for not believing in the same things I do.
Mitch Tillman Look up Pascals wager. That argument as lame as it is old and ignorant.
Interesting, Don't agree with no. 9, there is always a right way to do things. I see a lot of the same as the original 10. All people are good and we all make mistakes on a daily basis. Where do people think their goodness comes from? No. 1 says to keep an open mind, well from what I understand their minds are closed to the Idea of a God, so how does that work? If people can explain how we learned to feel compassion, love and goodness from a rock or ape, their reasoning may be a little more easier to understand…
Glanda Widger , what islam is destructive and dangerous and christianity or judaism are not, drink the kool aid much?
Desmond Shervington But…….we actually are walking talking primates. That's a simple fact which you can verify by looking in the mirror, or additionally by taking a biology class.
Christopher Lynn Comer I didn't say anything about businesses being closed, and what I said about billboards and marquees is that they tell me and others like me that I'm not good enough. It doesn't bother in a sense that I'm offended, it bothers in a sense that that mentality is divisive and incongruent. I don't know if you live in a bubble or not, but many legislative issues are streamlined predominately by religious groups. Also, I'm having those conversations will all kinds of people. Many of whom can be dicks and unaware of it because they don't know how to respond or interact with someone that doesn't cater to their beliefs. I'm friends with people of all backgrounds and am fine with open discussion, but religious people can and do treat me like shit at times just because they found out one trivial thing about me. I could give two shits if that's how it happens in your life or not. These are things I've experienced in the past, and I'm expecting them to happen in the future. If you don't think atheists have a hard time in elections, again, you're living in a bubble. It's no different than the "controversy" of a Catholic running for office in the past. People are dicks like that. I could care less what your beliefs are provided they don't infringe upon me. Explain to me how it's not okay for you to publicly be a Christian. You are THE favored group–you couldn't be anymore favored. The problem with said Christmas displays is they're using tax payer money and tax payer public land. Would you be content if displays were glowing bright with messages like "Satan is the best" or "Praise Vishnu"? I don't care if you would be or not, point is, it's unconstitutional. I can't help that your reading comprehension is off or that you're either living in a bubble or believe Christianity exists in a vacuum, possibly both. That's on you.
Laura Lena Wans I know what an agnostic means–without knowledge of. That wasn't my question.
Lisa Vitagliano Most believers decide which things in the bible are just symbolic and which are to be taken literally based on what is convenient or needs to be rationalized away at the moment. How do you determine or decide which are symbolic and you can therefore ignore, and which are mandatory? Seriously, I'd love to know.
Sooooo H. Charles Bell…. it's only the terror of punishment and going to Hell that keeps YOU honest and non-violent? Says a lot about YOU, buddy!
I'm honest and non-violent because it's THE RIGHT THING TO DO! *MY* value system does NOT depend on "Sky Daddy" thwapping me with a flaming stick.
If children are RAISED under threat and fright… the bonds that control their behaviour ONLY last as long as the fear is present. Once that fear fades…. well… they do not have an ethical framework to stand on.
More accurate headline: Useless adult-aged children, still desperate for attention.
Zachary Heil There are literally millions of documents and depictions dating back to cave man days that say that you are wrong .. Even Neanderthals depicted a higher being in their cave drawings .. But again, there is no proof that there is no God, because you can not prove what you do not believe in .. It is impossible .. But I can, and have proved that there is a God in my life, and the lives of millions of others.
Gary Lee I don't in the context of the cultures themselves, but when contextualizing the bible itself, supposed to be inspired by an omniscient and omni-benevolent god, I can make a fair comparison.
Zachary Heil Besides, I would rather believe in God, and find out I was wrong when I die, than not believe in God and find out I was wrong ..
Casey Wade,love the line, " Welcome to the internet, where silly god myths come to die.", I will have to remember it in the future.
Who cares what they want to do. Someday they will stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ and will have to explain their actions and beliefs or lack of them.
Psalm 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
Who cares what atheists think about the 10 Commandments? atheists contribute NOTHING to society and do NOTHING to promote peace and unity among all. They are the 1st to throw venom on religions and religious people but yet NEVER lift a finger to heal people hurt by adversity. atheists said NOTHING about the ills of drugs in the community, police brutality, lynchings, domestic violence, segregation, suffrage, … nothing. atheists are worthless loads. Go to H@ll you good for nothing atheists!!
You are thinking logically, there is no use for logic with people of faith.
Christopher Lynn Comer That people believed in a god 2,000 or 100,000 years ago doesn't grant and credibility or validity to the position. It doesn't matter if it's a thousand, million or a billion people believing in something, that doesn't necessarily make it true. What is this proof you speak of?
Will Pascal's Wager serve you if you die and find out Zeus is God? What about the thousands of other gods that you're not believing in? Or do you actually believe in them all? If you're going to hedge your bets, I'd go all in with every one of them. Better safe than sorry, right?
I would have listed 1) Stand up to injustice. and 2) Challenge absurdity.
plated.drake , even more ironic the bible plainly states that usury is forbidden don't see any Christians in America adhering to that either.
Gee.they sound just like the ten commandments
. I believe he theists are confused
Christopher Lynn Comer Because people like you keep trying to get laws passed to create a "christian nation" instead of a free nation….because people like you try to have books banned from my schools library because they don't fit into your religious world view….because people like you see fit to knock on my door and tell me how I'm not living my life right (when was the last time an atheist knocked on your door at dinner time to tell discus how your life is being lived wrong?)….because people like you seem to think your holidays are the only ones that matter, and if anyone disagrees, then you pretend there's some imaginary "war on christmas"…..shall I go on?
I totally enjoy reading the banter between alleged believers and Atheists, it's the whole "he said/she said" line of logic. Christians are afraid of Atheists due to lack of understanding and/or because they lack mental capacity to think freely on their own without the input from some individual standing behind a pulpit/desk/monitor telling them what to do, say, and think. It is truly sad that this "tug of war" between everyone on this matter is so enraging that the attacks start immediately upon someone who, according to the Bill of Rights, is practicing their freedom of speech and religious pursuit(or lack thereof). I am an Atheist, not Agnostic, or Satanist. I don't practice animal sacrifices and throw Hedonistic orgies(like most church freaks think we do), I don't throw virgins into volcano's(good luck finding a virgin above age 12 these days, religious zealots kids included), there are NO cross's in or upside down in my home. I think every form of religion is a farce, sham, scam, form of control. There could be two million commandments and I could find five million ways to disprove them all with common sense(I know, shocking right?) and logic. I could give a damn less about Evolution vs. Creationism, it is what it is and deal with it on face level. Oh, and as a parting shot, for all of you reading this that think the the world is only 2014 years old, explain dinosaurs, carbon dated ice samples, cockroach's, and any evolutionary toss backs we keep finding in the ocean and on land. Also, the missing chapters of YOUR bible and why the Dead Sea scrolls haven't been deciphered with all the new technology. Good luck on your answers. I have heard all the lame ones so far, so enthrall me with your rendition of them.
Lee….made up facts are fun aren't they.
I like it, these Ten Commandments. I'm Not an atheist, but reality is that those who are bible thumpers are the WORSE kinds of hypocrites, and most hateful, intolerant,
judgmental persons around. The God believers. Bill Maher said it a few times on his TV show: "religion leads to neurosis, produces neurotic people.'
The Judeo-Christian Ten Commandments are not original. We see commandments as far as the Code of Hammurabi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_legal_codes
The golden rule pre dates the bible, much of what Christ tried to teach you, and you still have not figured out existed in the eastern religions of the time, many religious scholars believe his time in the wilderness was actually spent with a group called the hessians where he learned eastern philosophies, hence the phrase born again, which Christianity has taken totally out of context.
Just as Jesus in his earthly existence never proclaimed himself to be the son of god, that was a cross foisted on him hundreds of years after his death to convert the pagans to Christianity.
Joseph VanSandt The correct translation is "Do not commit murder", not "do not kill" since there are occasions where killing is certainly acceptable.
These 10 are much better than the ten carried down the mountain by a man who never existed and written by a god who never existed. Just like today's Christians never read the book they love to thump, Moses never read the "thou shalt not kill" clause because he killed a bunch of people, usually saving the virgin women children as his boy toys.
"Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."
The words of man is flawed and corrupted by the things of this earth and WILL ALWAYS fall short to the wisdom of GOD!! For a man to live by his own words and wisdom……is a life of hate, greed, self-preservation, selfishness and love for thyself only. Those who follow these commandments will never enter the kingdom of God, but will suffer for all eternity at the hands of the devil. May God Bless humanity and open their eyes to the truth of God….that they may follow the path laid out by Jesus Christ and gain the grace to love and fear him. Life without God is no life at all and a person without Jesus in his/her heart is dead already. God Bless all of you, for he does love you despite your mockery or denial. But do understand……YOU WILL NEVER STOP GOD FOR HE WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL. DO ALL U WANT TO STOP GOD…BUT YOU NEVER WILL. YOU CAN DENY HIM, MOCK HIM…PRESENT EVIDENCE TO DISMISS HIS EXISTENCE BUT YOUR IDEAS AND THOUGHTS ARE THOSE OF FLAWED HUMAN REASONING AND THEREFORE MEAN NOTHING!!! GOD BLESS YOU AND HAVE A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!! I will pray for you and your children for they deserve to be loved by GOD.
Joseph VanSandt That might fly if it were not for the fact that people are constantly wanting privately funded symbols being taken down also.
axixic2 with out Gods guidance in this world, there would be no world. Man would destroy himself which they seem to be trying to do now in the middle east.
Glanda Widger Your Idea about a school strictly for Atheists is the best idea ever. Just think of all the advancements that would come from the students who attended a school that dealt with facts and science instead of religious propaganda and one sided history by closed minded individuals in positions of power who shun progress.
@Ted cho..evolution is a theory not a fact. Nothing's can't create everything it's a scientific impossibility! God is real weather you believe or not!
Gordon Martin Privately funded symbols places on private property OR privately funded symbols being established on public grounds?
Listen here all you atheists. You are terrible people because you do not believe in my imaginary friend zugu. Zugu is the answer beacause he tells me he is and I scared of him. Zugu only reason I am a good person and without zugu how are you good peoples? Youre not because its impossible to just be a good person with out fairy tales. At least that's what the Christians here are trying to tell me. All hail zugu, my god.
Romans 1:18-32 (KJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Joseph VanSandt Do you know what commandments means? THEY ARE GOD'S LAWS. Adultery was against God's laws back then. People decided to make a mortal law against it as well.
This is so ignorant, my response isn't directed to you, Desmond. I fear that you don't care about reality because you've found comfort in your own religious beliefs that you'll do everything to maintain that belief structure.
For everyone else who actually cares about the truth. Here's why this comment is ignorant:
1) Desmond does not know what a scientific theory is. Evolution is both fact and theory. He uses "theory" like it's a dig towards evolution. Does he also realize that gravity, germ disease, atomic energy are also theories? Of course not cause he doesn't know what a scientific theory is.
2) Evolution says nothing about nothing creating everything. This is a creationist canard that gets preached from the pulpit to the credulous. Evolution is about the genetic changes in populations over time. It comments nothing on how "everything" came to be.
3) That being said, there is examples of something coming from nothing in science. We have examples of virtual particles that have come about on their own from "nothing". So this statement from Desmond is far behind on the times as well.
4) Throwing in "God is real weather you believe or not" into a string of incorrect scientific statements is a non-sequitur. God can be real and evolution can be real. God can be false and evolution can be real. Etc. Desmond is trying to paint a false dichotomy because he doesn't understand the argument. He's using simplistic (but faulty) logic that was preached onto him from others.
Ken Strejc try reading the bible and find out WHY God punished Adam and Eve. and WHY He sent them out of the Garden of Eden. "replenish the Earth." if they hadn't partaken of the fruit of the KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL (until them they were innocent) (who said it was an apple?) they would still be there and NONE of us would be here.
I see you have no regard for the 2nd commandment of jesus.? You should actually read your bible once in a while, we need more atheists.
The atheistic developed nations of this world are the most peaceful, happiest, safest, give more to developing countries, enjoy higher standards of living and the lowest crime rates. One thing we do not contribute to is the prison population since atheists are extremely underrepresented in the prison.
The members of the National Academy of Science are 93% atheist, what do they contribute?
Funny you should mention lynchings. The Christian group the KKK lynched more than 1,000 blacks before any of them stood trial for a single murder. Give me an example of an American atheistic involved in a lynching.
Segregation, suffrage? Now you are talking about bible inspired slavery and subjugation of women. The rights that women and minorities enjoy in the U.S. today were all won in hard fought battles against religion.
Here is an interesting article about atheist charity:
“Charitable behavior gets big perks in the afterlife, according to Christian and Islamic theology. Philanthropy, in these creeds, is a highly profitable long-term investment, a down payment on ecstatic immortality. Quite the bargain!
But atheists? No heaven awaits them. No pearly gates, eager virgins, harping angels, fluffy clouds, or succulent oasis. No reward whatsoever. Atheists have no faith, no expectation of benefit from a deity. So, atheists are probably selfish, right? Pitiless, parsimonious. Totally stingy misers, not passing a penny off to the poor…correct?
WRONG! Atheists, non-believers, secular humanists, skeptics—the whole gamut of the godless have emerged in recent years as inarguably the most generous benefactors on the globe. That’s right. Hordes of heretics are the world’s biggest damned philanthropists. Both individually and in groups, heathen infidels are topping the fundraising charts.”
“First, the facts.
The current most charitable individuals in the United States, based on “Estimated Lifetime Giving,” are:
1) Warren Buffett (atheist, donated $40.785 billion to “health, education, humanitarian causes”)
2) Bill & Melinda Gates (Bill is agnostic, donated $27.602 billion to “global health and development, education”)
3) George Soros (atheist, donated $6.936 billion to “open and democratic societies”)”
Don't forget Mark Zuckerberg:
“On December 9, 2010, Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and investor Warren Buffett signed a promise they called "The Giving Pledge ", in which they promised to donate to charity at least half of their wealth over the course of time, and invited others among the wealthy to donate 50% or more of their wealth to charity.
Zuckerberg and his wife, pediatrician Priscilla Chan, ranked first among the nation's biggest donors in 2013, according to a report Monday by The Chronicle of Philanthropy, which tracks charitable giving trends.”
Zuckerberg was raised in New York in a Jewish family, even having a Bar Mitzvah. However, since age 13 he has described himself as an atheist and has never wavered from that position.
Zuckerberg isn't shy about his lack of belief, as he lists Atheist publicly on his very own Facebook page.”
This proves that religion is not required for good people to do good things. Religion is only required for good people to do bad things.
The fool hath said in his heart there is no god, the wise man says it to the world.
I'll probably be standing before Zeus or Poseidon, they are way cooler gods.
Zachary Heil 1. Its only illegal in this country (US) because society says it is. In some places you can marry a 12 year old. Or should we assume these all so important and wise 10 commandments were created in the context of the 10,000 laws already on the books.
2. Define "Reasonable Deduction"
3. We are standing on opposite sides of a thin line. Just because something passes the scientific method doesn't make it good science.
4. Ok
5. have you ever considered why people think that about atheist? You need to.
7. Where did they get it from?
8. I C no need to promote "ideas" that work.
9. So basically this was written in the context of the 10,000 other laws on the book in the US making it worthless.
Oooookay, let's systematically try to understand what you're saying here.
1) You argue that open mindedness leads to the collapse of government. That's simply a sad, absurd position to take. Under what circumstances has that ever occurred? Why would it happen now?
2) If there is evidence that something exists, you do not reject it, that's kinda the point of the second commandment here.
3) The scientific method is a process for gaining understanding of natural phenomena through a cycle of steps: Posing a question, doing background research of previous attempts to resolve the question, constructing a hypothesis, testing the hypothesis through observation and experimentation, analyzing the data, then communicating the results in a logically consistent manner.
4) So you think taking away the ability of others to enslave you, experiment upon you, and deny you medical and other care leads to the destruction of family life and leads to drug addiction? This is a pretty bold statement, please provide data that shows a statistically significant relationship between the right to one's own body and these effects and demonstrate the strength of any such correlation. Until such time, I assert you are making things up.
5) You are asserting things that atheism does not concern itself with. Animal instincts are not typically considered the source of morality to the vast majority of people, atheist or not. As Aristotle notes, it is societal mores and introspection that define what is good, not the gods.
6) On what basis do you say that atheists behave like apes and baboons? What connections do you draw between their behavior and those of those animals? Atheists are verifiably less likely to commit criminal acts and have one of the lowest incarceration rates of any social group. So please explain yourself.
7) The standard is defined within this commandment. It is often called the silver or golden rule and is essentially the same set of behavioral practices of Christianity. If it is an undefined standard for atheists, it is surely undefined for the religious.
8) If you think for yourself and follow the silver rule of the seventh commandment, your behaviors would be consistent with this commandment.
9) No it wouldn't, as previously stated.
10) Disagreed wholeheartedly.
Oh please, spare me your Darwin explanation. The fact is is schools allow to be taught this fairy tale called evolution without any concrete evidence. They want us to believe like we are animals for an excuse to behave like one. People make the silliest and stupidest mistakes everyday which is why I can never believe in evolution. Because It's a man's idea so it's more then likely wrong!
Scott Vineall
Unicorns and leprechauns deny your existence. Also, unicorns collectively HATE straight people.
Gerry Michaud
I am an atheist and I like Saturnalia, I mean Christmas.
This is why I say it in my head, not my heart. My heart is incapable of thought, it only pumps blood.
Organized Atheism is its own form of religion; it has its leaders, philosophers and even zealots, who try to "convert" others to their point of view. Codifying their beliefs, such as with these "ten commandments" is another way of establishing canon.
Did anyone actually read these ten? These are more common sense and something that everyone should have already had drilled into them. I find it interesting that religion is used as the scapegoat in many things. Especially number four. That is why women are constantly discriminated against in a majority of religions. And personally, I think that the first one applies to life as you live it, not just religion. A lot of thoughts that came to mind was that these ten promote the idea that you can be as different as you want and that will be okay because I am going to accept you without religious discrimination. That would make things a lot better in the world. Except for number three, these are quite honestly things that maybe religion needs to start thinking about teaching and religious leaders can call them 'manners'. Number nine is representative of life, the church is against that. It's funny how atheists manage to find things promoting individuality and true acceptance while religion does so with limitations. Do you really think that the world would be better without religion?
HAHAHAHAHA, I find this humorous, most atheists are beside themselves trying to make Christians think differently, You either get it or you don't and atheists don't. They are just stuck in their humanists religion. Why should they care about something they call a myth unless they actually know it is not. Keep trying I need some more laughable moments. hahahahah.
Number 5 is a superfluous commandment. If you follow the previous commandments. It is more of a comment or reaction to the present beliefs of the majority.
I don't think the number 5 commandment would stand the test of time.
Ever since creation man has tried to do his own thing, be his own boss, make his own destiny; however you wish to express it. The problem with this, is that what is being said, is that you are answerable to no one but yourself. NO ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE NO ONE IS GREATER THAN YOU!! What a sad way to live, because we most often fail to live up to our own expectations. We set the standard so high that we can never achieve it, or we have no standard. In this case, NO standard means anything goes; if it feels good do it! When we set the standard on the low side, we are only fooling ourselves into believing that nothing really matters any way, because "whatever will be, will be".
God set the standard quite simply through the words of Jesus when He was ask; what is the greatest of the commandments? His answer: THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH AND WITH ALL THY MIND; AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THY SELF! ON THESE TWO ARE BASED ALL THE COMMANDMENTS AND THE LAW! This really simplifies things unless you are an atheist/humanist because it makes us ACCOUNTABLE TO GOD!
Christians are too.
They make graven images and likenesses. Plenty of Christian realist artists out there.
The vast majority do not honor the sabbath and keep it holy consistent with Biblical principles.
A large number do not honor their mothers or their fathers. I know plenty of Christians who, gasp, do not keep in touch with their abusive parents at all!
Thou shalt not kill is just silly, isn't it? I mean think of all the wars over the millennia, and the Biblical demands of God to kill over and over in the Bible. Its no wonder Christians don't take that one seriously.
Thou shalt not commit adultery. Teen pregnancy, for example, is highest in the Bible belt and practicing Christians have the highest such numbers of ANY social group.
Bearing false witness? Most of the refutations of atheism on this page is a lie, so clearly Christians don't care about that. Lying for Jesus is still lying.
I'm not even going to get on coveting. Coveting is human nature and the very basis of capitalism.
Christians are too.
They make graven images and likenesses. Plenty of Christian realist artists out there.
The vast majority do not honor the sabbath and keep it holy consistent with Biblical principles.
A large number do not honor their mothers or their fathers. I know plenty of Christians who, gasp, do not keep in touch with their abusive parents at all!
Thou shalt not kill is just silly, isn't it? I mean think of all the wars over the millennia, and the Biblical demands of God to kill over and over in the Bible. Its no wonder Christians don't take that one seriously.
Thou shalt not commit adultery. Teen pregnancy, for example, is highest in the Bible belt and practicing Christians have the highest such numbers of ANY social group.
Bearing false witness? Most of the refutations of atheism on this page is a lie, so clearly Christians don't care about that. Lying for Jesus is still lying.
I'm not even going to get on coveting. Coveting is human nature and the very basis of capitalism.
American Citizens have to realize, God is far more powerful than any written document that mankind can come up with. He is just very patient and loving to his children giving them time to repent and turn towards him for his love and support. But there will be a day, when he says "enough is enough" and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will return for Gods faithful, leaving the Atheist, Agnostics and God haters behind, and one last chance to come to him and accepting his Only Begotten Son as their Lord and Savior. But that will only be 7 yrs (Tribulation) and at a very trying and hard times, Accept Jesus or Deny him, your choice,,,,reap the blessings for accepting or bear the consequence for rejecting him.
I agree, the poor religious are sick and most in this country follow a 7,000 year old bloodthirsty demon god.
Duane Terrell You do realize that Biblically, a girl is considered marriageable, and therefore able to have sex after her first period, right?
It is hard to beat the doctrine of Pastafarianism.
The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts:
1.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Act Like A Sanctimonious, Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really. I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject. OK?
2.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I don't require sacrifices and purity is for drinking water, not people.
3.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, and get this in your thick heads: Woman = Person. Man = Person. Samey-Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion. Then, I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.
4.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is, " Go f*** yourself," Unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.
5.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then, go after the B******.
6.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Build Multimillion-Dollar Churches/ Temples/Mosques/Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (take your pick)
1.Ending Poverty,
2.Curing Diseases,
3.Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable.
◾I might be a complex-carbohydrate, omniscient being, But I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the Creator.
7.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Go Around Telling People I Talk To You. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And, I told you to love your fellow man. Can't you take a hint?
8.I'd Really Rather You Didn't Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses A Lot Of Leather/Lubricant/Las Vegas. If the other person is into it, however (Pursuant To #4), then have at it. Take pictures. But for the love of Mike, wear A CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it, I would have added spikes or something.
Ramen.
Desmond Shervington LOL Yup, that's the typical response from creationists when they have no evidence of their own.
It seems the idea of satire is completely lost on you. Who is the loser?
"fact. Nothing's can't create everything" but that is the religious explanation of our origins. The evidence backed scientific explanations are concealed in libraries, museums and journals of science the world over. Small wonder you know nothing of it.
No scientist has ever said that life began from nothing but that is exactly what page 1 of your holy book says.