Category: Technology Author : Duncan Riley Posted: October 15, 2008
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Seesmic: someone has to defend Web 2.0’s most popular whipping boy


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As the global economic crisis continues its merry ride of ups, downs, foreclosures and in the case of Iceland, possible starvation, the startup world of dreams and grand ideas has been replaced by one that is quickly turning on itself, with a nasty dose Darwinian capitalism that sees competitors turn on each other in an attempt to gain an advantage.

Long term, negative campaigns don’t work. Just ask John McCain. Negativity is a sure sign of desperation, praying for salvation as Rome burns. It is however representative of human nature, and nothing will change that. But there’s one strange thing that’s come out of these bad times, and that’s the use of Seesmic as a noun to describe a bad startup.

Seesmic bashing is all the rage. I do understand why the company is being targeted: it’s different, it doesn’t have a clear monetization strategy yet, and they’ve already done two rounds of layoffs.

But that doesn’t make the attacks fair.

Is Seesmic really the worst startup out there? What, because they’re already laying off staff, does that mean somehow that they are poorly equipped to handle the downturn, before the worst of it is clear?

Seemsic does have a niche appeal, but there’s a lot to like about the company. They’ve led in the field of video microblogging, person to person discussions that offer a dose of real life beyond the limited text of Twitter. I saw one site this week describe Seesmic as nothing more than a blog video commenting service and totally ignore the strong and interesting community on Seesmic itself.

Seesmic does have an interesting risk profile, but so does Seesmic’s competitors. Any existing video site could easily extend themselves into this space, but although we’ve seen the inclusion of direct video recording on sites such as YouTube, I’ve not seen any of the broader video providers compete head on in threaded discussion.

CEO Loic LeMeur has been willing to make cuts now to slow the money burn for the site so as to decrease their costs coming into the recession, where few Bay Area startups are yet to act; I’m sorry, but planning ahead isn’t a bad thing, that’s sound management, and a positive business step. Seesmic may have been the first, but many others will be forced to follow, presuming that cutting staff will keep many of them afloat at all.

Some like to reminisce about how the last web crash resulted in smarter, more innovative startups, and companies like 37signals, Flickr and Delicious are mentioned. There is a serious problem in the space today, as a direct result of the second web boom, that has seen an army of clones get funding. Here’s the thing: Seesmic is different. They’re not the only player in the space, but they are the biggest, and were one of the first. They’re not just another clone of 20 other sites, they actually went out and tried something new. Sometimes those risks fail, sometimes they work, but at least Seesmic has (aside from a handful of smaller competitors) something strongly unique about it.

Seesmic may end up with an EPIC FAIL stamp in the not to distant future, and I’m not suggesting that they won’t. But I also don’t believe using Seesmic as a noun to describe a bad startup is anywhere close to justified or fair either.

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  • stephan Schwarz
    the whole Lemeur bashing is ridiculous. Have you seen the Sequoia group presentation ? Well those guys know a things or 2 about biz. And Loic is in that vein, that breed of entrepreneur. Well done to him, to be realist, while most of "us" are still out there chasing cars.
  • They've already got "EPIC FAIL" in my book.

    Why?

    I emailed Loic in June about a potential hookup with Seesmic and the then-OneSwirl, and maybe even something more (think "cash")...

    He emailed me back two weeks ago.

    Didn't notice the timestamp. No apologies. Nothing.

    And when I mentioned the epic time delay, he found it amusing.

    That's EPIC FAIL right there.

    --Kyle
  • Nice post Duncan. With all my respect for Loic, my only concern about Seemic is on how they are spending their money. They got a lot of money from investors and maybe this is why others are attaching them. There is much buzz, but still can't see the big picture. Disclosure: my company runs Hictu.com, considered a Seemic competitor... but it's a side project for us, developed with a few "cents" and with a couple of smart developers. Far from getting the same numbers of Seemic, but my name is not Loic Le Meur and I dont' / can't have the same visibility/followers Loic has.
  • dom
    @Duncan: I really miss you on Techcrunch. The new writters are totally disconnected to the market they are supposed to analyze....
  • konal
    Today so many sites are just copies of existing concepts. Seesmic is a totaly new one. No matter the final success, it would have introduced new features to the web.
    Finally it's not so far than Twitter situation, a lot of people spits on it but everybody uses it.
  • "totally a new one"... for those who are not aware on what is going on
  • seb
    congrats for this post...so true...

    there is obviously a need for a target and seesmic can be this one ....
    for sure the personnality of loic le meur is a reason why people target this company, he speaks a lot, is seen , is a bit egocentric...but isn't it the fact for all the people who have success...and obviously he tries to be interviewed and seen everywhere so that people speak and hear about seesmic...and that works !!!
    so today, people find a good reason to target him as he decided long time before the others to fire some people from his staff....
    as far as i understand , and as far as i have understodd the advices from all the vc's in the place sending .ppt presentations about this crisis, it will be a LOONg time during which the startup will have to have a real look at their spend and certainly cuts some heads to stay alive...loic did this in advance and then ? isbn't it a good decision ? isn't it an adult decision in those times ?

    the différence between loic and the other startup ceo's is that seesmic is not the 1st startup he is funding oh nooo, he has a long experience in business, in the internet business and i think he is making the good decision..
    as for the monetization of his startup, i may understand that he is not the only startup that hasn't found his way yet, so why use this argument especially for this company then ??

    cheers
  • Not sure why I came back to this page, but...

    This sounds suspiciously like Loic, given that I had similar rants from him, in the same language style, via email when he was bitching about my comment two scrolls up from here.

    Good move, Loic. Very clever. I wish I'd thought to post anon about myself... maybe that's the secret to your "success"!

    --Kyle
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