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Shroud of Turin A Fake ‘Like Bigfoot’ Says Skeptics Society Founder On Easter Sunday

Shroud of Turin fake like Bigfoot

The Shroud of Turin is a linen cloth, 14 feet long and three feet wide, that may be anywhere from 600 to about 2,000 years old. But what is unique and, for centuries, has remained mysterious is not how old it is, but the strange image somehow printed on its surface. The image appears to be of a crucified man — and that man may be Jesus.

At least that’s the belief of millions of Christians worldwide, who accept that the cloth is in fact the burial shroud of Jesus, placed over his body after he was taken down from the cross, as described in the books of the Bible’s New Testament.

Dozens of scientists over the years and, perhaps more than ever, today, have tried to figure out how the image was created, and most importantly to establish whether the Shroud of Turin is indeed what its faithful believe it to be.

But not everyone accepts that researching the Shroud of Turin, at this point, is even a worthwhile endeavor.

“It’s like Big Foot,” says Pat Linse, who co-founded The Skeptics Society, a 22-year old nonprofit group dedicated to debunking what its members see as pseudoscience. “Every time someone comes up with a new theory or whatnot, it’s gets a big flurry of attention.”

Other prominent Skeptics Society members include Neil deGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye “The Science Guy,” and about 55,000 more.

Linse says that science shows the Shroud of Turin to be “a highly stylized, somewhat amateur rubbing.” While Linse is aware that numerous scientists and researchers have devoted considerable effort to demonstrate the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, for every hundred facts that would seem to support the authenticity of Shroud, he says, “we can counter with one million that show it’s a fake.”

During the Easter holiday season, a period for Christians that commemorates the death and resurrection of Jesus as described in the New Testament, interest in the Shroud of Turin always runs high, possibly because outside of the New Testament texts themselves, the Shroud is seen as the only tangible evidence that the events they described actually happened.

Linse says that skeptics such as himself do not intend to question the religious beliefs of others. His only point of contention is when believers invoke science — falsely, say the skeptics — as evidence that their beliefs are real.

“Europe is full of stories and tales about icons like this,” says the Skeptics Society co-founder. “They’ve found enough crosses from the ‘real’ crucifix to build Noah’s Ark.”

Believers and skeptics worldwide will soon, much sooner than previously expected, get a chance to see for themselves. The Shroud of Turin has been allowed by the Vatican to go on public display very rarely. The last was in 2010.

But last December Pope Francis announced that the next scheduled Shroud of Turin exhibit would be pushed up by a decade, to next year. The Shroud goes on public view for three months starting April 19, 2015, at the Cathedral of St. John The Baptist in Turin, Italy.

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111 Responses to “Shroud of Turin A Fake ‘Like Bigfoot’ Says Skeptics Society Founder On Easter Sunday”

  1. Deborah Porter

    This is all a ploy to destroy Christianity and religion. The powers that be want a ONE WORLD FINANCIAL SYSTEM AND GOVERNMENT with a ONE WORLD RELIGION. The propaganda is out….. they hate Jesus. You can lie all you want PRESS MEDIA But you can't take an experience away of Christ that I have had in my life. Your lies can never create doubt, now matter how many fake NEW SCROLLS YOU PUT OUT ABOUT JESUS having a wife, which is not true. I KNOW what your New World Order is about and it CAN'T AND WON'T FOOL ME. Those who know their God will OVER COME YOUR NEW WORLD ORDER OF DECEPTION!!!

  2. Steve Gamblin

    I learned a lot during 21+ years as the NCOIC of combat medicine (physical and psychiatric – multiple instructor-qualified identifiers). One is there are miracles. I watched some people die with a near-ecstatic, smiling expression – one kid, about 20, actually said, "Hi Momma." I found out from his 1SG his mom had been dead about four years.

    This man has the right to beleive what he wishes as long as he does not infringe on my blood-soaked rights. If he chooses to take even the CHANCE there is an eternal, horrendous Hell where every soul begs forgiveness or termination of the endless ripping and tearing of flesh by demons … well, that's his choice.

    I am not prosteltyzing … just a glimpse into a once hedonistic, angry, alcoholic (DOS 8 Jan 1990), sexually abusive, etc, etc, etc, asshole who now worships God and Christ.

  3. Shawn Sanders

    Well no shit, Easter is Pagan anyway and Christianity stole like EVERYTHING from Paganism, a lot of this stuff is indisputable fact as well. Who are the blind ones here?

  4. Anonymous

    I could less if it was his shower slippers or jockstrap,,,sheeesh.

  5. Steve Lacava

    this guy has never had heart attack or been to war….did both…more than once…there is a God….its love/peace….you feel it…I did

  6. Ted Boczkowski

    While Linse is aware that numerous scientists and researchers have devoted considerable effort to demonstrate the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin, for every hundred facts that would seem to support the authenticity of Shroud, he says, “we can counter with one million that show it’s a fake.”
    I always thought that scientific proof was not prone to exaggeration, ergo proof. New scientific book, A Million Ways to Discredit the Shroud of Turin.

  7. Joe Scotto

    I believe the Shroud of Turin to be, indeed, the actual burial cloth of the only true God-man, Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah. See "The Real Face of Jesus" made by the History Channel. I believe it is physical evidence of the Resurrection of Jesus, the most important event in the history of humanity. Because He rose from the dead, He was who He said He was – God in human flesh… His work on the cross (to pray the price of sin for all those who put their trust in Him) was sufficient… everything He said is true… the book we call the Bible is authenticated… and so on. It's a 3-D data base – "amateur rubbings", indeed.

  8. Cousin Tad

    Worship the invisible man in the sky! Worship him! Pay tribute to Sky God with money. The Sky God loves when you bring him filthy amounts of cash. Yes that's it,pay the Sky God his tribute!!

  9. Cousin Tad

    When you can PROVE to me, scientifically there is a God, I'll believe. Til then you're WRONG!!!

  10. Alice Burrell

    Cousin Tad Be careful you don't put all your eggs in one basket. Science is good…in its place…but science cannot be the "be-all", "end-all" you so much want it to be. God is real…His son Jesus is real…heaven is real…hell is real. Science is not worthy of your worship.

  11. Alice Burrell

    Go away little one. You have no idea what you are talking about. None of your diatribe will put a dent in true faith. I guess you don't know what Jesus did when He entered the temple and began to toss out them that sold and bought in the temple and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers and the seats of them that sold doves. Mark 11:17 He taught "My house shall be called of all nations the House of Prayer, but ye have made it a den of thieves." 1st Timothy 6:10 "For the love of money is the root of all evil; which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." Acts 8:20 "thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money."
    Oh yeah God loves money, all right. Are you paying too much attention to false prophets and false teachers? Your attention would be best focused on God's Holy Word. Learn before you spout off your nonsense.

  12. Anonymous

    Cousin Tad : If you can prove to me that a hair style like yours still exists, I'll believe in anything.

  13. John King

    "…for every hundred facts that would seem to support the authenticity of Shroud, he says, “we can counter with one million that show it’s a fake.”…"

    Then show the proof it is not authentic!!!

    You can't, can you!!! That's because there isn't any scientific proof the Shroud is not authentic!!!

  14. Law Renault

    Alice Burrell You seem to be the one putting all of your eggs in one basket. You have no proof for your belief. You call it faith but you can have faith in many things, that doesn't make them true.

  15. Law Renault

    Hermione Volino . What makes you think that Tad lives a sad life? Because he doesn't believe in what you believe in? I think you may be the sad one as you didn't think for yourself and only believed what you were told of a story that has been written by men even before the idea of Christ. Pathetic one you are.

  16. Law Renault

    Alice Burrell Only one spuming nonsense is you. Prove any god exists. You can't.

  17. John M. Burnley

    Oaky, fake? Show me how. The image on the Shroud is a negative image, until the invention of photography no one could know what it would be revealed to be. Its easy to be a debunking fool but do your homework if you want to be taken seriously.

  18. Law Renault

    Really Deb? so it's some sort of conspiracy ? Get a clue.

  19. Alice Burrell

    Law Renault Can you prove He doesn't? There is only one God, and He is God. It may be fun to watch you try to explain to Jesus when He returns just how it is that He doesn't exist.

  20. Neil Clark

    Ignorance and paranoia are an unattractive combination…blatant ignorance and raging paranoia even more-so.

  21. Anonymous

    Where is proof TODAY that God is real? Sure, there are stories from 2,000 years ago that God visited believers all the time. Anyone have any photos…..tapes….. ANYTHING? Man needed God(s) during pre-history to explain lightning, eclipses, floods infestations of insects. Today we see other reasons than God sent a whole mess of bugs to eat your wheat. John

  22. Law Renault

    Alice Burrell You can't prove a negative Alice! Meaning I don't have to show proof YOU DO! If you make a claim you must show the evidence. You cannot. Done!

  23. Neil Clark

    Alice Burrell – we don't `worship' science…we use it to understand our world better every year. When we find a mistake has been made, we seek to correct it…unlike the faithful – who, when they are shown evidence of a flaw in their faith – simply kill the messenger, and go back to believing as they always have.

  24. Neil Clark

    Alice Burrell – pay attention, blissfully ignoring one…would you believe that I can show you not one-, not two, but four passages in the New Testament — all quoting Jesus himself – which prove that the last 90 generations of `true believers' have been duped? And it won't be my words…it will be those of the Son of God.

  25. Neil Clark

    Knowledge is the acceptance of an idea in light of the evidence…faith (and ignorance) is/are acceptance of an idea in spite of the evidence.

  26. Leyah Pruitt

    How I hate the internet! It has given every village idiot the ability to spout off nonsense. It takes the Lord Himself to love creeps like these.

  27. Alice Burrell

    Why do you depend on science and your own misunderstanding of God? Why do you require stupid "proofs" like photos, tapes, etc when you know in Jesus' time such things did not exist? 2nd Corinthians 5:7 "For we walk by faith, not by sight." St John 20:29 "because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed; blessed are they that have not seen, and yet believed."
    You know gravity exists because you experience it, yet you cannot see it. You know the air you breathe exists, yet you have not seen it. Without Faith, you really don't have much.

  28. Cousin Tad

    Hermione Volino Believe in whatever fantasy you wish. You obviously already do.

  29. Cousin Tad

    Alice Burrell I don't HAVE to prove he doesn't exist. You HAVE to prove HE DOES. You haven't met your burden of proof. Case CLOSED. Science wins again! (For the record Science's record vs. Religion is now 847-0)

  30. Anonymous

    You can see a clear image of a bird if someone told you it was the "Shroud of Pigeon"

  31. Law Renault

    Alice Burrell . Again you are wrong Alice. We know what and how the force of gravity is created. I cannot see the wind but I know it is there because I feel it, This is how my mother tried to explain faith to me as a child. But when I grew up there was an scientific explanation for this physical sensation. Faith is not physical it is metaphorical hence philosophical. It is a reasoning of ones self being not the literal sense of being. I have nothing against a belief, but when you teach it as fact without evidence you do no favor to anyone.

  32. Alice Burrell

    Cousin Tad God is real. Jesus is real. heaven is real. hell is real. satan is real and satan has you in a death grip. Too bad, so sad, but your soul is lost. I pray that you will be found before it is forever too late.

  33. Alice Burrell

    Cousin Tad The world you live in is proof. The air you breathe is proof. The beauty you are surrounded with is proof. The changing seasons are proof. The prayers answered are proof.

  34. Cousin Tad

    Alice Burrell Wrong wrong and more wrong. Science quite easily explains all we see on this earth. The sky, the seas, the life. Not one case of a prayer being answered has ever been scientifically proved. If wishes were horses beggars would ride.

  35. Deborah Porter

    Jesus is real…..and the Bible confirms it but I confirm him to be real because I have had a spiritual encounter with him and that nobody can tell me otherwise. God says in the Bible; when you seek me with all your heart …. then you will find me.

  36. Deborah Porter

    Cousin Tad Jesus is real…..and the Bible confirms it but I confirm him to be real because I have had a spiritual encounter with him and that nobody can tell me otherwise. God says in the Bible; (when you seek me with all your heart …. then you will find me.) Then and ONLY THEN you will find him.

  37. Alice Burrell

    Law Renault 1st Timothy 6:20 "Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings and oppositions of science falsely so called." Isn't it wonderful how God created all the things we need. Give credit where credit is due. Your worship of the false god of science is leading you astray.

  38. JD Friend

    Cousin Tad Go eat your double cheeseburgers you fat fuck calling people pathetic? Look at you.YOU GET A CLUE! you can believe all this pseudoscience bullshit but until we know whats at the bottom of our own oceans and know how space time actually exists then you explain to me why we don't have God's fuckin physical mailing address smatass. Attack someone attack me youll get more than you want believe me.Cousin Tad your just a typical kid of this generation you don't matter to anyone. Be an atheist that's cool but don't go bashing those who do believe and then cry when someone tells you what they believe.I'm done with both of you if you want to run your mouth bring it I can go all day.I'll believe what I believe and you do can also its called freedom but don't think for one second I wont throw my shots right back at you.

  39. Deborah Porter

    2 Peter Chapter 3

    3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

    4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.

  40. Deborah Porter

    THESE SIGNS WILL HAPPEN BEFORE CHRIST RETURNS

    Matthew 24 ►

    King James Bible

    Temple Destruction Foretold

    (Mark 13:1-9; Luke 21:5-9)

    1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

    3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

    False Christs

    5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    Witnessing to All Nations

    (Mark 13:10-13; Luke 21:10-19)

    9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    The Abomination of Desolation

    (Mark 13:14-23; Luke 21:20-24)

    15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

    The Return of the Son of Man

    (Mark 13:24-27; Luke 21:25-28)

    26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    The lesson of the Fig Tree

    (Mark 13:28-31; Luke 21:29-33)

    32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Be Ready at Any Hour

    (Genesis 6:1-7; Mark 13:32-37; Luke 12:35-48)

    36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. 48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; 49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; 50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

  41. Jacob Darius

    I would love to see what the millions of reasons are that show the Shroud is a fake, because, to be honest, if that's what we're trying to do here, scientists have spent hundreds of thousands of hours examining the Shroud over decades and still have no idea how the image was produced.

    I wish atheists would actually be intellectually honest on things like this instead of attacking straw man arguments that believers are not intending to claim.

  42. Deborah Porter

    Law Renault The Bible teaches it as fact. The bible says;
    Hebrews 11:6

    King James Version (KJV)

    6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him

  43. Roberto De León González

    I hope Ms. Linse isn't staking her credentials for her statements on the Shroud of Turin on the proven academics of Neil de Grasse and Bill Nye. You see, she is no scientist, but an illustrator. Even scientists can be wrong at times: for instance, McCrone wanted to prove that the image on the Shroud was composed of iron oxide, yet while that compound is present, its amounts are too small to account for the image. In fact, McCrone suppressed a statement to that effect by another scientist working for him!

  44. Alice Burrell

    Cousin Tad And your worship of the false god of science is pathetic. I have had many prayers answered and I do not need science to prove to me that God hears and answers His children. I have a secure faith in my Lord and Savior. Sorry you have missed out on that. 2nd Peter 3:3 "Knowing first that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts." And just look…here you are. v5 "they are willingly ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water." v8 "be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years one day. But you carry on….you are willfully blind to truth and nothing will change for you until Jesus Himself appears on your horizon. Luke 13:28 "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth…when ye shall see…all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out." Isaiah 45:23 "…That unto me, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess." That word "every" includes you cousin.

  45. Cousin Tad

    Alice Burrell Science isn't a false god as science isn't a god. Never has been. It's science. Provable facts come from science. It's the basis of a lot of what mankind has learned. I can clearly see this is upsetting you to have your faith laid bare like this so this will be my last post on this. But you have proved in just one day the words of Gandhi: ""First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." 848-0. Peace out.

  46. Alice Burrell

    Cousin Tad So why do you worship at the feet of science? You can clearly see nothing, because it does not upset me in the slightest to give my testimony. It is fulfilling to speak of God and His blessings. My faith is "laid bare" on a daily basis and is part of my worship of Almighty Father God. I will never deny Him. And I will witness for Him at His pleasure and thank Him for the opportunity. I pray that you will open your eyes and your heart and let Him in.

  47. Anonymous

    Deborah, the Bible "confirms" nothing. The Bible is a claim, not the proof of that claim. Claims need evidence to prove them.

  48. Noelle Fhj

    is there a paragraph missing from this story? specifically, the one containing proof the shroud is a fake? because a rubbing would have been revealed in 30 seconds. mr. linse does his little club no favor by merely asserting it is a fake. scientific results, please.

  49. Ethan Lee

    Alice Burrell can you prove to me a giant pink unicorn thats drinks tea in the center of the sun doesnt exist? or, for that matter, krishna? no- you cannot. [and its pretty amazing how every aspect of jesus-his apostles, his symbols, fish and bread, his cross, his teachings- was taken from OLDER gods. or i guess its just alllll coincidence]

  50. Ej Eleazar

    The problem lies in the fact that science cannot disprove God and Faith cannot disprove science. So which do you believe? one, the other, both or neither?

  51. Dennis Simpson

    Deborah Porter You are batting your head against the wall trying to even reason with fools like Cousin Tad and Law Renault. These are simple minded people who believe in fantasy recorded by Scientist whose whole purpose in life is to dispute Biblical teaching. More and more scientist all over the world are proving God does exist, and it is not only recorded in the Bible, but historical text from the early Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks and the Romans in all their ancient history books. The problem with these know it all's, is they won't take the time to read these historical factual books. Josephus, a Roman and the Author of early Roman History even records the Man Jesus Christ who was murdered and after three days in the grave arouse and ascended into Heaven. Still these two loud mouth and many others out there will never by able to prove God doesn't exist. You really can't blame them, because they descend from monkeys with little brains, that can't see the reality of the truth.

  52. Dennis Simpson

    Joe Scotto if you read the Bible and stop following traditions of men, you will come to know it is not the burial cloth of Jesus Christ. The Bible tells us the Roman Solders tore the beard of Jesus Christ off his face with their bare hands, before they led him to the cross. The Shroud of Turin clearly shows a man with his mustache and beard intact and clearly proving the image is not that of Jesus Christ. Further more the Bible tells us men were to keep their hair trimmed short, which Jesus did. This man has long hair, again proving this is NOT Jesus of Nazareth.

  53. Dennis Simpson

    jasonsannar The proof is all around you and all you have to do my friend is peer up into the night sky to see the proof that God does exist. If you truly believe it all just got there by itself you are fooling yourself. So by the same token, provide evidence that God doesn't exist.

  54. Dennis Simpson

    Susan you should read God's Holy Word the Bible and in it you will read that the Shroud is not the Burial Shroud of Jesus Christ. Yes it is real, but it is not the image of Jesus Christ.

  55. Ethan Lee

    you cant prove a negative. the burden of proof is on the claimee. -you. you havent proven he is, other han saying the bible says hes real. you do realize that if you HAD proof, then there would be proof, and there would be no use for any other religions. and if you DO have proof, why not go on tour, teaching people the proof you have? youd be loved, the world over. but no, you cant. fact is- you cant prove that theres no pink giant unicorn that drinks tea and lives in the middle of the sun. so im gonna worship him. HE is the real god. prove he isnt….:]

  56. Ej Eleazar

    I haven't claimed anything, merely stated two facts. 1) science cannot disprove God 2) Faith cannot disprove science. I agree with your other statement, I can't prove that there's no pink giant unicorn that drinks tea and lives in the middle of the sun. So what's the argument? Can you prove that there's no God?

  57. John Gravlee

    Cousin Tad, Sorry to hear your point of view. Since you obviously need to see touch or feel to acknowledge existence of something real….I guess you don't need to breath. Try 10 minutes without oxygen and then tell me about God that doesn't exist because You can't see touch or feel HIm! Your life proves Him!

  58. Elissa Taylor

    The more they dig and the more they test the more they verify the truth of the Bible. Amazing how for centuries ignorant people that have never even read the Bible criticize it and scoff. Every day around them its pages come to life in fulfilled prophesy.
    I know my savior lives because He lives inside of me!

  59. Ej Eleazar

    I'm also not quite sure what you mean by "You can't prove a negative.", I believe 2 people said that same exact statement in this comment thread. Well since we're using science as a basis to prove or disprove God, how bout a formula?: -1= x is that what you meant? I just proved the existence of negative one.

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  61. Rick Banas II

    Cousin Tad is correct. To me, The Bible is an assertion. As with any assertion, the Bible is fiction unless corroborated by independent observers and objective proof or evidence. If my neighbor says there's a unicorn in his backyard, it doesn't mean the unicorn exists until I disprove it. But logic, evidence, facts, and rationality means nothing to believers who want to believe. They've created a massive cult around a unicorn. Show me the unicorn first and I will believe it exists.

  62. Etienne Micallef Grimaud

    "numerous scientists and researchers have devoted considerable effort to demonstrate the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin" … wrong Pat Linse! the converse is true, actually… this line should read "numerous scientists and researchers have devoted considerable effort to try to demonstrate the Shroud of Turin is fake!" and till now despite fantastic strides forward and advances WAY beyond any medieval dude's wildest dreams, this supposedly fake medieval cloth HAS WITHSTOOD all that modern science can throw at it! My gosh, the skeptics are saying the medieval guru who faked this had knowledge of science that we still haven't got! Haha when you think that in medieval Europe they still believed the human body was made up of fire, water etc…, this stand of skeptics is preposterous and outrageous!

  63. Robert Talburt

    Jason, If the Bible is not the absolute truth to you what is? Have you actually read it or is this what you heard. I'll pray for you brother

  64. Gregg Foster

    The skeptics cannot disprove it. They simply rant and rant. If they can disprove it, why haven't they? The fact is, no one knows what the image is on the shroud. It appears to be some kind of a scorch mark. But the scientists are still not sure….even after so much study. It also appears to be like an x-ray….no one has been able to reproduce such an image. Some have produced images on a cloth, but those images are not like the image on the shroud!

  65. Noelle Fhj

    We know from Middle Eastern and Egyptian antiquities that Jewish men had beards and shoulder-length hair, whereas women had hair to the waist. St. Paul is thus speaking in relative terms when he cautions against men having hair the same length as women. Also, please cite the New Testament verse indicating Jesus' beard was torn from his face.

  66. Dennis Simpson

    jsarnow You want proof, what about the 500 men, women and children who witnessed the murder, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They saw it with their own eyes, let along the 12 disciples who actually followed Jesus Christ. Are you scientific clowns still so ignorant not to believe eye witness accounts?

  67. Neil Clark

    Sadly, you are one of the latest on 90-plus human generation to believe in- and be duped by this…if you truly believed your bible and Jesus, you would know that his Second Coming would have occurred while the last person to hear his Sermon on the Mount was still alive: Matt 16:28 & 24:34, Mark 9:1 & Luke 9:27. You are following a 'dud' Messiah.

  68. Dennis Simpson

    Cousin Tad the sad truth is you and your fellow scientifically cohorts can never PROVE to the world that God doesn't exist!.

  69. Dennis Simpson

    Apparently Neil Clark you haven't fully grasp the gospel of Christ Jesus, for no man knows the time of Jesus' return, not even him, but the Father only. The 'dud' you speak about is the Living Son of God, no man comes to the Father except through Christ. You very much sound like a one verse Charlie who reads a verse here and their not fully grasping what the verse is really all about. Start reading the entire contents then express your opinion.

  70. Dennis Simpson

    So I am viewing Law Renault's profile to see what kind of person I am commending about. A wild eyed screaming lost soul who should seriously consider getting into the word of God. In it he just might learn the truth of the gospel, instead of denying it. I challenge him to do so.

  71. Neil Clark

    Alice Burrell – I do not `worship' science, and I have no need to `love' it, as you evidently need to love your faith. And sorry to disappoint you, but I derive an immense sense of awe and delight in the natural world…and I take my sense of purpose from being good to- and of service of my fellow human beings.

  72. Neil Clark

    Jacob…the lack of a currently-identified explanation of the image doesn't automatically entitle you – or require me – to uncritically say `it MUST be a MIRACLE!' Because if humanity had applied that impotent reasoning to everything we encountered in the world, then thunder would still be the wrath of god(s)…and disease would still be the judgement / will of god(s).

  73. Neil Clark

    Susan Pottrock – yes the shroud is `real' in the sense that it has physical presence. But `real' in the sense that it is PROOF of the existence of Jesus or the resurrection.?..don't expect me to accept such monumental things on such flimsy `evidence'.

  74. Neil Clark

    Alice Burrell – The Greeks and Romans had 12 major gods apiece – and hundreds of minor gods… the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten tried to condense their panoply of gods into a single deity–his priests didn't let him get away with it for long. The Muslims supposedly worship the same god as you do…is god closer to `your god', or closer to `theirs'? Every civilization has had its "True god(s)" – but merely believing in god(s) doesn't make them real.

  75. Neil Clark

    To my knowledge, no external force has been able to destroy any religion (the Jews are living proof of this); rather, religions change – and disappear – when their followers find something better…more meaningful…to follow. Which is probably why you're so defensive…you see the overwhelming numerical advantage of christianity (at least here in the U.S.) `slipping away'.

  76. Neil Clark

    Dennis Simpson – how do you think I found these stark inaccuracies BUT by reading `the entire contents' – which is why I feel entitled to `express my opinion'. Now, lets play us a little game of `Put Up or Shut Up'. If the xtian bible as it is currently interpreted is 100% accurate and correct, then you've got some `splainin' to do… because the following verses suggest that this `jesus christ’ character was suffering form delusions – and you are being deceived into following a 'dud' Messiah.

    Matthew 16:28 – "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

    Matthew 24:34 – "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened."

    Mark 9:1 – "And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”

    Luke 9:27 I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God."

    And if you DO NOT believe that the bible as you follow it today is 100% accurate and correct, how can you follow it as the supposed work of a supposedly perfect god?

  77. Dennis Simpson

    Neil Clark, In response to your quotation of Matthew 16:34 – I give you Acts 7:55 – "But he <Stephen> being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God". Acts 7:56 – "and said, Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God." These verse clearly answer your remarks, because they clearly show Stephen was just one of many people who stood with Jesus and did not taste death before seeing Jesus coming in his kingdom. It also answers Mark 9:1 and Luke 9:27. Stephen saw the Kingdom of God and Christ Jesus was in his Kingdom, a Kingdom that will one day come to this planet at his second coming.

    The original King James is a translation of the original Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament. Granted there are some situations where the English interpretation is not the same as the original Hebrew manuscript. For instants there are no letter "J" in the Hebrew language, furthermore, there is not the word Easter used in the Hebrew Manuscripts, it is Passover. Easter comes from the Roman pagan practice of love making and orgies. Not anywhere will you find the word "rapture" mention in the Bible. The word and the practice of such teaching comes from a lady committed in a New York Insane Asylum back in the 1830's. True Christians walk by faith, not by sight.

    Atheist cannot understand such concept, because they cannot believe in something that is totally foreign to them. They want proof, which is understandable, as I always say in genealogy research, "there's no truth without the proof". But on the other hand, such people who put their faith and trust in science can never prove there is no God, no matter how they might try. Their only response is always the same, they don't have too prove anything, but then demand Christians to prove their belief. Their lies the problem, Atheist and non-believers can't disprove God's doesn't exist.

    Are you aware when Christ Jesus returns to this world, he will destroy all religions. Religion has been a thorn in Human history from the very beginning of time. Not many people especially Christians know that the first Christ that will appear standing on top of the Temple Mound will be the false Christ. He will show signs and wonders that will baffle the very elect, he will declare himself to be God himself, but Christ tells us don't be fooled. For these things must happened before he returns. When the true Christ returns, every man, woman and child living on the planet will see him coming in the clouds in glory. The Sun and Moon will no longer shine, all eyes will be fixed on the King of Kings as he will be our light.

    It may not be your time to know the truth, it may not be many atheist's time to know the things that baffle their minds, but that is perfectly okay. Don't let any false teachers teach you things that are contrary to God's Holy Word. For the Bible tells us there is a time and season for everything under the Sun. God loves you, and will be coming back to teach those who are blinded giving them the opportunity to know the truth. That is what the 1000 year reign is all about. No one that ever lived on this planet has or even been thrown in a fiery hell as many false preachers will misinform you. All will be given an opportunity to know the truth, at that time you either accept the truth or face judgment when God the Father comes to rule. Salvation is free, it is opened to all mankind. Nothing you can do and say to earn it, it is freely given to those who put their faith in God. God loves all his children. Many people say their will pray for you. I doubt that is true, because I can say it now, but tomorrow is another day, and truthfully, I won't even remember this conversation next week unless I write it down as a reminder. My hope is that you and those that don't believe will come to the realization that there is a Creator. The Bible is very clear on this matter Gen. 1:1 – "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

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  78. Neil Clark

    Dennis Simpson – you flippantly dismissed my original post as the work of a `one-verse Charlie'… I gave you not one, not two, but FOUR verses which all say the same thing… that your messiah was a self-deluded dud…and his bus (and yours) has come- and gone. You have had time- and opportunity to figure this out for yourself…why have you not?

  79. Ethan Lee

    ok, because of that x=-1 statment, you just proved how dumb you are. were not talking math here, hun.

  80. Ethan Lee

    Jay Martin ur saying its not real? haha. god no wonder ths country is so low in education

  81. Ej Eleazar

    Ethan Lee : Hun, science, most specifically Newtonian and Quantum Mechanics, are the study of the laws of the universe.. So the big bang theory, theory of relativity and everything else that your argument is based on mathematical equations. It doesn't take an astrophysicist to realize that the laws of the universe are expressed as formulas, here's one you might know of E=MC^2.

  82. Ej Eleazar

    Ethan Lee : Hun, science, most specifically Newtonian Physics and Quantum Mechanics, are the study of the laws of the universe.. So the big bang theory, theory of relativity and everything else that your argument is based on mathematical equations. It doesn't take an astrophysicist to realize that the laws of the universe are expressed as formulas, here's one you might know of E=MC^2.

  83. Ej Eleazar

    Ethan Lee I'm not even taking a position in the argument, but at least proponents of the scientific certainties should argue their case for bashing other people's beliefs in a manner that's intelligible.

  84. Alice Burrell

    Neil Clark I do indeed love and worship my Father God and His son Jesus, Lord and Jesus Christ Risen Savior. Things of this earth will not last, only the promises of God will do anybody any good. Being good to, and of service to fellow human beings is good and commendable…but we are told Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

  85. Alice Burrell

    Dennis Simpson I would really like to know the Bible reference where it says the shroud is not the image of Jesus Christ. Thank you.

  86. Ethan Lee

    youve read the bible and you think its the absolute truth? yikes