Inquisitr Interviews Pamela Geller On Political Islam, Israel and Obama

Wolff Bachner

Two days ago, the United Sates Embassy in Cairo was attacked by an enraged mob that tore the American flag to shreds and raised the ancient black flag of Islamic conquest in its place. Yesterday, the American Ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, and three embassy staffers, were assassinated by fanatical killers. A rocket propelled grenade was fired into his car as he was being rushed to safety during an attack on our Libyan embassy.

The latest wave of violence against American interests in the region was led by angry crowds who were protesting an anti-Muslim film. The rather amateurish film crudely insults the morality and sincerity of Muhammad and his followers. Known as "Innocence of Muslims" or "Muhammad, Prophet of the Muslims," the controversial film depicts Islam's founder as a womanizer, criminal and mass murderer, while portraying his Muslim followers as homosexuals, child molesters and madmen. Making matters even worse, evidence has surfaced that the movie may have been a gigantic hoax, according to new reports from Inquisitr, CNN and AP. It now appears that embassies were violated, and innocent people where murdered because people took offense to a lunatics idea of a sick joke.

The resulting explosion of rage even reached the nation Indonesia, home to the world's largest population of Muslims. A rally was held at the American Embassy that mocked the United States and hailed Osama Bin Ladin as a hero. Protesters carried banners that read "It is time for Islamic revolution" and "Democracy brings oppression." A spokesman for Sharia for Indonesia, the group the organized the rally, said, "They (the hijackers) sacrificed their lives to defend fellow Muslims in Palestine. What they did was a reminder to the American government to stop oppression against Muslims and support for the Israeli government."

The Middle East is exploding in a wave of Islamic revival. The ruling Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has called for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a worldwide caliphate that would make Islam the only religion for all of mankind. More and more voices are being heard calling for Jihad against non-Muslims and the imposition of Sharia as the governing authority in every Muslim Nation.

US Embassy In Indonesia Surrounded By Amgry Mob

Here at home in the United States, we mourned the 11 year anniversary of 9/11 on Tuesday. Since the Twin Towers fell, America's five million Muslims have come under increasing suspicion. Citizen groups have risen up in many cities to block the construction of new mosques, and there have been controversial billboards posted on buses, and in subway kiosks, that call for the support of Israel, while protesting against the 19,000+ acts of terror committed in the name of Islam since September 11, 2001.

There are two sides to the discussion of Islam. One side, led by President Obama, says that Islam is a religion of peace. Islam deserves to be celebrated and welcomed as a vital part of American life. They point out that Muslims have lived peacefully in America for many decades, and contributed to every aspect of American life.

The other side proclaims Islam is more than a religion. They say it is a cradle to grave, all encompassing way of thinking, that seeks to dominate every second of every individual's entire life. Islam, according to its critics, sets rigid rules for politics, religion, economics, morality, civil law, and criminal justice. It is all brought together under one powerful system, called Sharia, that make up Islam's guiding doctrine.

The critics point out that Sharia is enforced in Muslim majority countries by a series of draconian punishments, including amputation of limbs, stoning and beheading. Detractors insist that women are subjected to a set of rigid restrictive principles that lowers their worth and makes them little more than property of the males in Islamic society. Every aspect of daily life is governed by powerful clerics and Sharia councils, that dictate the social standards of their nation. Violators are publicly whipped, imprisoned and executed for breaking the rules. Anyone who wants to leave Islam is declared an Apostate and subject to the death penalty.

There are many who believe there are subversive forces at work in the United States that are actively engaged in an effort to replace our Constitution with Sharia. They believe organizations like CAIR and The Muslim Students Association have infiltrated government agencies and college campus to slowly indoctrinate American society to accept Sharia.

The voices against Islamic supremacism cite the fact that no organized movement of Muslims exists in America to proclaim support for our constitution, and our way of life. They point out that "moderate Muslims" rarely speak out against acts of jihadi terror and often refuse to co-operate with the FBI in their attempts to root out foreign Islamist recruiters in their communities.

There are several prominent leaders at the forefront of the movement against political Islam and Sharia. Pamela Geller is one of those people. She first came to prominence as the organizer of the movement to stop the construction of the "Ground Zero Mosque." She lead the protests against the towering Islamic center and mosque that was to be built near the ruins of the fallen World Trade Center.

Ms. Geller has dedicated her life to speaking out against the aspects of Islam that, in her opinion, go beyond simple freedom of worship and seek to dominate and control human life. She has been a strong voice for a growing movement in America to educate the public about the dangers of political Islam. She lives under several Fatwa's calling for her execution for insulting Islam. Despite the threats, she continues to travel the world as a powerful voice against the growing Islamic Supremacist movement that is slowly spreading to Europe and America from the Middle East.

Pamela Geller is the founder, editor and publisher of Atlas and executive director of the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) and Stop Islamization of America (SIOA). She is the author of Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance (WND Books) and The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration's War on America with Robert Spencer (foreword by Ambassador John Bolton), (Simon Schuster). She is also a regular columnist for World Net Daily, Andrew Breitbart's Big Government and Big Journalism, the American Thinker, and other publications.

As the fires burn in Cairo, and taps is sounded in Libya over our fallen Ambassador, Inquisitor's Wolff Bachner reached out to Ms. Geller and asked her to respond to several questions.

We present Pamela Geller for another powerful Inquisitr interview:

Wolff Bachner: Pamela, lets establish some background for Inquisitr's readers.

What first led you to believe that radical Islam, and Islamic supremacy, was a threat to our Constitutional Republic? Did you have a gradual awakening to the threats posed by Islamists, and Sharia, or was there a particular event that inspired you to speak out?

Pamela Geller: I was dressing for the gym when my phone rang. "Turn on the TV." And so I did. I watched in horror as the second plane hit. Paralyzed, I watched New York's beloved twin icons, symbols of unparalleled capitalist greatness, disintegrate into ash and blood. From the dock (where I could see lower Manhattan burning), my world disintegrated, too. Everything I believed in, everything I took for granted was shattered. Freedom was not free.

The infrastructure of my thinking, the basic premise of my very existence, lavish freedom, disintegrated with the Islamic attack on America, ten years ago today. I always assumed my freedom. It was the air I breathed. I never questioned its permanence. "It's a free country" was my mantra as a child. And it was. I could do anything, be anything, say anything. Everything was possible.

That forever changed. And for the first time the unthinkable dawned on me: perhaps America was not forever. This had never crossed my mind, ever, in the four decades of my life. Everything changed. The American idea and all that that meant was under mortal threat from a brutal and oppressive ideology that hated everything we stood for and held dear -- life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

America, America, worth fighting for, worth dying for. I felt guilty that I didn't know who had attacked my country. And when I found out, I felt guilty that I didn't know why they attacked my country, my identity, my family. I spent the ensuing years studying Islam, Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye'or, Robert Spencer, etc. The media was absent on jihad and increasingly I found myself on the net ......... the rest is history.

Wolff Bachner: Despite the massive amount of documented evidence to back up what you say, you have certainly become one of the most vilified, and lied about, public figures on the American political scene.

How do you deal with the threats against your safety, and the constant, often distasteful insults? How do you manage to continue on day after day, in what is a very difficult struggle, against a formidable and implacable opponent?

Pamela Geller: I know that I am telling the truth. I fight for a vision of a beautiful society. I fight for art, for music, and for love -- all the things that make life beautiful and that authoritarian systems deny. I fight for individual rights. I know that is right. And that sustains me.

Wolff Bachner: Granted that many Americans are just not interested in taking the time to become educated about the world of politics and religion, but one would think that after 9/11, more Americans would want to learn all they could about Islam, and the ideology that led to the destruction of the World Trade Center.

Why do you think so many Americans are turning a blind eye to the truth about Islam?

Why are they so resistant to your message, and so quick to call you an Islamophobe?

Pamela Geller: They turn a blind eye because the media tells them to. They've been constantly lied to for eleven years now -- that Islam is a Religion of Peace and that anyone who says otherwise is a racistislamophobicantimuslimbigot. They're constantly admonished that "Islamophobia" is a big problem, when actually Jews are victims of hate crimes eight times more often than Muslims are. Of course they turn a blind eye.

Wolff Bachner: You have been quoted as saying, "I have no problem with Islam. I have a problem with political Islam?" In view of all the recent violence, and the resurgence of calls for the establishment of the caliphate, do you still stand behind the statement?

Pamela Geller: What I meant was that I don't mind if people want to pray to Allah five times a day and read the Qur'an, as long as they leave the political and supremacist aspects of Islam out of this country. I don't care if you worship a stone, just don't stone me with it.

Wolff Bachner: How do respond to those who say that you shouldn't criticize the Qur'an for it's violence, because similar violence is also found in the Old Testament and New Testament?

Pamela Geller: There is actually not similar violence in the Old or New Testaments. Only the Qur'an contains calls for all believers to make war upon and subjugate all unbelievers. And all the sects and schools of Islamic law teach that. There are Islamic jihadis worldwide quoting chapter and verse to justify their actions. Where are the Jewish and Christian terrorists quoting their Scriptures while cutting throats? Where are people killing in the name of HaShem, or shouting "Jesus akbar" and blowing themselves up?

Wolff Bachner: You have been rather outspoken about the failings of many of America's political leaders in their dealings with Islamic tyrants in the Middle East, and what some describe as their willful ignorance of the threat of Islamic supremacy. You have not been shy about criticizing President Obama. You have said that Obama is appeasing Islamic extremists, empowering the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and throwing Israel under the bus.

Are you of the opinion that there are powerful political figures who are working actively to empower Islam and Sharia in America?

Are we being betrayed, or are we being sacrificed on the multi-cultural altar of political correctness?

How much damage do you think Obama has done to America, and the free world, with his policy of embracing Islamists, and pressuring long standing American allies?

Pamela Geller: I don't see this as an either/or. We are being betrayed by those who are sacrificing our national security to political correctness. Obama has done incalculable damage.

Wolff Bachner: You have expressed great concern about CAIR, The Islamic Society Of North America, The Muslim Students Association, The Islamic Supreme Council Of North America, and other organizations that are very vocal supporters of Islam in America. You have singled out CAIR as one of the most subversive organizations in our country, and you have expressed outrage at the Muslim Student Associations campaign of Jew hate, and their constant assault on Israel's right to exist as the Nation of the Jewish people.

Why is The Muslim Student Association able to attract so many young, non-Muslim Americans to its incessant message of hatred for Israel? Do you feel these groups have an actual plan in place to undermine the Constitution of the United States, and eventually install Sharia in America?

Pamela Geller: They lie to non-Muslim students and give them false accounts of trumped-up Israeli atrocities. That's how they turn their heads. And yes, they have a plan to undermine the Constitution -- the Muslim Brotherhood itself, according to a captured internal document, said that its work in America was "a kind of grand jihad" aimed at "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within, and sabotaging its miserable house."

Wolff Bachner: Why do so many of our leaders, and our elected officials tolerate, and even work with, subversive organizations that wish to destroy our way of life?

Pamela Geller: Our leaders are so cowed by Muslim Brotherhood groups' charging that any and all of their opponents are all racists and bigots that they give the Brotherhood groups whatever they want.

Wolff Bachner: The conflict between Islam and the Jewish people has been going on for 1400 years, ever since the Jews of Medina rejected Muhammad and refused to consider him as the Messiah. The Qur'an has many verses that express hatred of the Jewish people, yet we are led to believe that the entire situation in the Middle East could be resolved if Israel would just give more land to the Palestinians.

Is the dispute between Israel and the Arab world really just about land, or is it because the Islamic world will never tolerate a free, independent Jewish nation in their midst?

Pamela Geller: Islamic law forbids non-Muslims to hold authority over Muslims on land that belongs (they believe) to the Muslims. Thus they will never, ever accept a Jewish state in the Middle East.

Wolff Bachner: When he was campaigning for the White House in 2008, Obama said he was a strong supporter of Israel and that Jerusalem was the undivided capital of Israel. Since he became President, Obama has demanded Israel return to what her leaders call indefensible "Auschwitz" borders, as the basis for negotiations between Israel and Palestinian leaders. He still hasn't moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, and members of his administration have publicly declined to acknowledge Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

On Tuesday, the relationship between Israel and The United States reached a new low. President Obama refused to meet with Prime Minister Netanyahu when the Israeli leader visits the U.S. at the end of September.

Are the American people being subtly prepared for the abandonment of Israel by the Obama Administration? If Obama is re-elected, how bad will things get for Israel? Can you conceive of Obama voting in favor of The United Nations Security Council unilaterally creating a Palestinian state, with East Jerusalem as its capital, if he gets a second term?

Pamela Geller: Obama is hardly being subtle about abandoning Israel -- anyone who can't see that is willfully blind to an astonishing degree. If Obama is reelected, I can see Obama betraying Israel openly in all the ways you suggest and more.

Wolff Bachner: In the Middle East, and other countries that have Muslim majorities, non-Muslims are often brutally oppressed. A Christian pastor was finally released after being held on death row in Iran since 2009, for refusing to convert to Islam. Last month, we saw an 11 year old girl with Downs Syndrome imprisoned, and charged with blasphemy in Pakistan. In Egypt, 10 million Coptic Christians are living in fear for their lives, and in Nigeria, Boko Haram has openly said that they will not stop killing Christians until there are no more Christians left in Nigeria and the country is an Islamic state. Yet, if you speak out about any of these horrible examples of oppression, and terror, you are slandered and called Islamophobic.

Why are so many people unwilling to acknowledge the elephant in the room, despite mountains of evidence the lives of non-Muslims are in jeopardy in many parts of the Muslim world? Is it fear, abject dishonesty, or total ignorance that allows so many Americans to have such an unrealistic picture of Islam?

Pamela Geller: Here again, the media is lying to them. So the media is dishonest, and their audiences are ignorant.

Wolff Bachner: We hear people talk all the time about moderate Muslims, and how they should not be lumped together, and discriminated against, because of the crimes of a few crazy terrorists who are misrepresenting Islam. But it isn't the suicide bombers, and a handful of lunatics, who are speaking the loudest in favor of Islamic supremacy, and the destruction of non-Muslims societies. It is the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, the highest authority in all of Islam, who is saying that all the churches in the Arabian Peninsula must be destroyed. It is the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamic group that now rules Egypt, who is calling for "a rightly guided caliphate and finally mastership of the world." It is one ranking Islamic cleric after the other, including Ayatollah Khamenei, the leader of Iran, calling for the destruction of Israel, and the total genocide of the Jewish people. These are not fringe characters or mad men in caves, like Bin Ladin and Mullah Omar. These are leaders of the Islamic world, and according to the doctrine set down in the Holy Qur'an, they speak with authority over every Muslim on earth.

We are told that it is only a tiny fraction of Muslims who support these insane ambitions. Here in America, when was the last time 500,000 or 50,000 or 5,000, or even 500 Muslims, marched against Jihad, in support of gay rights, in support of women's rights, or in support of Israel's right to exist? Is it really unfair to say that silence in the face of tyranny is acceptance of tyranny?

Pamela Geller: 11 years after 9/11, and there is still no large-scale movement of Muslims against Islamic supremacism and jihad. That is telling.

Wolff Bachner: Geert Wilders has been a beacon of light and hope for your cause; for those Europeans who still believe in traditional nation states, a free market, and democracy. He has given up his personal liberty, and he lives under the constant threat of death for daring to speak out against Islamists and Islamic supremacy. It is often said that he may be the most despised man in Europe today.

What would you like to say about your friend Geert Wilders, and what can we learn from his example?

Pamela Geller: Geert Wilders has been fearless and outspoken in his work exposing the jihad and Islamic supremacism. We all need to act, without fear, and never allow ourselves to be intimidated or bullied.

Wolff Bachner:Is there any hope left for a free Europe, that respects equal rights for all human beings, no matter their race, religion, gender, or sexual preference? A Europe that also demands civilized behavior, and respect for the laws of a civil society. A Europe that celebrates the lives and works of great artists like Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Rembrandt and Van Gogh; Great musicians like Mozart, Bach, Brahms, and Beethoven; Great writers like Dickens, Hugo, Cervantes, Shakespeare, and Rushdie; Great thinkers like Descartes, Nietzsche, Sartre, and Kant. Or will Europe be doomed to the darkness of a totalitarian world? Has Europe surrendered its soul to a multi-cultural hell, and allowed the age of enlightenment to stumble backwards into a new dark age or can it return to a happier day, when no-go zones didn't exist, and cars didn't burn in French cities, night after night?

Pamela Geller: Yes, Europe is over. Europe has surrendered.

Final Comments By Wolff Bachner:

As we wrap up our interview with Ms. Geller, we are reminded of the vast gulf that exists between Islam, and Western democratic societies. It is as if we have once again retreated to an age when powerful religious authorities hold sway over the lives of every single human being. An age when speaking out against their doctrine may lead to a person's imprisonment, torture or death by decapitation.

Most of us in the West have rejected the overreaching authority of the Church, and placed religion where it belongs; as a matter of personal faith. Some of us have rejected religion altogether and chosen to embrace Humanism in its place.

It is a sad truth that there are still many places on earth where tyrants rule and a system of religious authority is in place that controls the lives and freedom of the masses. It is a matter of debate as to whether the people are oppressed victims of poverty or if they have willingly chosen to embrace a version of Islam that seeks to rule the planet and make Allah's law supreme over all mankind.

I will leave it to you to form your own opinion. I will tell you that a storm is coming, and you need to make the effort to learn all you can about the religion followed by 1.5 billion human beings. Read the Qur'an, study the Hadith's and the religious teachings of Sharia. Ask yourself if it represents a way of life you would like your own family to follow.

Pamela Geller is an outspoken, passionate critic of an ideology she feels is trying to change our entire way of life. She is taking a stand against anyone who seeks to tell people how they should worship. She rejects anything that attempts to control our thinking and punish us for failing to obey the laws of God, as interpreted and imposed by mortal human beings.

It is too easy to simply call Pamela Geller a hater of Muslims. She has never once attacked anyone for their personal faith. Instead, she has repeatedly stated that she seeks to oppose anything that would replace our Constitution with an oppressive religious ideology.

We need to ask ourselves why we are so protective of any religion, even when some of its teachings are anti-human, and anti-freedom. The free world stood untied and conquered Communism, after long decades of struggle. Now we are facing a clash of cultures; one of which is based on a religion that is often foreign to our way of life. Must we adjust to accept Islam, or should Islam adjust to be compatible with our way of life?

Personally I prefer the freedoms we have come to cherish in our familiar Western society. I do not wish to live under the control of any religious authority that endorses violence against non-believers, discrimination against women, hatred of other religions or that seeks to impose itself on all of humanity.

Like Pamela Geller, I have nothing against Muslims. I oppose any teaching that wants to control my thinking. I reject the closed minded ideas of Scientology, the rigid division between men and women in many Christian churches, and the very concept that I must follow any human being as an infallible representative of a higher power.

No matter who you are, you have a right to freedom from fear and to enjoy your life without other human beings trying to tell you what to think and how to live. The brave individuals who wrote America's Declaration of Independence started with one simple line that stands above all others as the most basic concept of human freedom:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.