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		<title>Google Wave &#8211; save your excitement</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 04:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br />Google Wave has been hyped as being the next great thing to hit the web. It is suppose to change the way we interact with each other and share information – all in a real-time fashion. When it was first announced I watched the videos and listened in on more than a few blog post [...]<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/40442/google-wave-save-your-excitement/">Google Wave &ndash; save your excitement</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com">The Inquisitr</a></p>
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<p>Google Wave has been hyped as being the next great thing to hit the web. It is suppose to change the way we interact with each other and share information – all in a real-time fashion. When it was first announced I watched the videos and listened in on more than a few blog post conversations about this next great game changer from Google and I signed up immediately to try and be one of the lucky ones to get in on the early testing.</p>
<p>Well as you can tell from the news that dominated the web today both on <a title="Twitter" href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a> and an increasing number of blogs Google opened up the floodgates for 100,000 lucky people to have a chance to play with the preview (read and alpha of an alpha). Like a lot of people I waited patiently for my invite to hit my inbox every time I would refresh my email client and like a lot of people it never showed up.</p>
<p>However I was lucky enough that a good friend managed to snag me a live invite, rather than one of those “take your place in line” invitations and have spent the last hour or so exploring what is suppose to be the brave new world of communication and information sharing.</p>
<p>Am I impressed?</p>
<p>Not yet. Not in the least. Sure the real time display of all the people in each of the waves you are involved in might be rather neat but I’m honestly not sure how long it will be before it gets old, boring and irritating. The other big problem I have is from the moment you log into Google Wave for the very first time because this is what you will find waiting:</p>
<p><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: block; float: none; margin-left: auto; border-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; border-right: 0px" title="virgin_Wave" border="0" alt="virgin_Wave" src="http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/virgin_Wave.png" width="504" height="358" /> </p>
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<p>Now what?</p>
<p>Look I don’t claim to be the smartest person in the world but neither am I the stupidest person either but my first reaction on see this was – now what?</p>
<p>You see, we don’t have a problem like that when it comes to starting up a new email client for the first time, or a new IM client for the first time, or even the majority of social media services for the first time – you use one and the rest pretty well follow suit. This isn’t the case with Google Wave because it is a totally new beast; and I’m sorry but a one single paragraph welcoming message isn’t going to help the confusion the majority of people will face with Google Wave.</p>
<p>It’s taken me the better part of an hour just to figure out the rudimentary ways you can use Google Wave so I can imagine an average computer user coming upon it for the first time will be even more confused.</p>
<p>Anyway this is just my first run through with it and maybe on subsequent testing when more people are around and more features come on line my feelings might change but like <a href="http://www.steverubel.com/google-wave-rss-the-sequel-in-other-words-doa">Steve Rubel asked in his post</a> – what problems is Google Wave solving?</p>
<p>In the meantime I wouldn’t get too excited over Wave and wait until it gets a wider audience of active users because right now – to be honest – I’m not seeing anything that will turn our information sharing world on its head.</p>
<p>I’ll be spending a lot of time exploring Google Wave over the next few days with the hope that unlike <a title="Robert Scoble" href="http://scobleizer.com/">Robert Scoble</a>, <a href="http://scobleizer.com/2009/10/01/google-wave-crashes-on-beach-of-overhype/">who doesn’t have to high of an opinion of Wave</a>, I will see what all the hype is about. I’ll be wrapping up that exploration up into a full post so you can have a better idea of what is coming your way – good and bad.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/40442/google-wave-save-your-excitement/">Google Wave &ndash; save your excitement</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com">The Inquisitr</a></p>
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		<title>Google already has a real-time search &#8211; of sorts</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br />I’ve been watching this growing discussion about the importance of the real-time web and how Twitter has the distinct advantage in this area that would make it a pearl of an acquisition based solely on its real-time nature. At the same time just about everyone and their brother is suggesting that Google needs to up [...]<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/24453/google-already-has-a-real-time-search-of-sorts/">Google already has a real-time search &ndash; of sorts</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com">The Inquisitr</a></p>
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<p>I’ve been watching this growing discussion about the importance of the real-time web and how <a title="Twitter" href="http://twitter.com">Twitter</a> has the distinct advantage in this area that would make it a pearl of an acquisition based solely on its real-time nature. At the same time just about everyone and their brother is suggesting that Google needs to up its game and get on the real-time search bandwagon.</p>
<p>While my personal feelings about the whole real-time web as being evangelized by all the heavy hitters in the tech blogosphere is still sitting on the fence it was nice to see <a href="http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3821476/The-Trouble-with-Real-Time-Search.htm">some sensible thoughts today from Mike Elgan</a> regarding Google and real-time search. The interesting take away from Mike’s post is that Google’s regular search is as good as it is because the company indexes almost everything on the web and that by tossing real-time search into the mix we would be in danger of ruining the results Google returns.</p>
<p>As Mike points out</p>
<blockquote><p>Google will not, cannot and should not try to offer real-time search for everything on the Internet. One reason is spam. You already can&#8217;t stand just the spam that comes flooding into your own personal e-mail inbox. You definitely don&#8217;t want all spam posted everywhere. </p>
<p>With real-time search, spammers can monitor existing sites to see what people are writing about or searching for. Let&#8217;s say there&#8217;s a giant earthquake in L.A. Everybody wants to jump on their real-time search engine to get updates. It&#8217;s trivially easy for spammers to start bombing the Internet with spam loaded with the &quot;earthquake&quot; keyword. </p>
<p>This is already happening, even on Twitter. The more people use real-time search, the more time and energy spammers will devote to exploiting it.</p>
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<p>In this I agree wholeheartedly with Mike but people seem to be forgetting one thing. Google already has the basis of real-time search up and running. It’s call <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/">Google Blog Search</a> and it is very good at returning extremely recent results of blogs posts. I’ve seen even my own posts from both here at <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/">The Inquisitr</a> and my home home blog, <a title="Shooting at Bubbles" href="http://www.shootingatbubbles.com/">Shooting at Bubbles</a>, show up within minutes of being posted.</p>
<p>Now granted this is only blog posts and to the real-time purists &lt;gag&gt; even five minutes is ancient but the fact is that with a little tweaking I’m sure that even that could be speeded up. Not too mention that it probably would take very little effort from Google engineers to add in services like Twitter, <a title="FriendFeed" href="http://friendfeed.com">Friendfeed</a> or any other so-called real-time service.</p>
<p>So rather than Google having to re-invent the wheel all they really have to do is tighten the spokes of what they already have. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/24453/google-already-has-a-real-time-search-of-sorts/">Google already has a real-time search &ndash; of sorts</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com">The Inquisitr</a></p>
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		<title>Someone is blowing a lot of hot air</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 19:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hodson</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<br />So, has everyone got their cue cards ready for the next generation of the web? What? you didn’t get the memo yet? Well just to catch you up we’re being told now that the next great thing that is going to have us all drooling is the arrival of the real-time web. Not sure what [...]<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/23295/someone-is-blowing-a-lot-of-hot-air/">Someone is blowing a lot of hot air</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com">The Inquisitr</a></p>
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<p>So, has everyone got their cue cards ready for the next generation of the web?</p>
<p>What? you didn’t get the memo yet?</p>
<p>Well just to catch you up we’re being told now that the next great thing that is going to have us all drooling is the arrival of the real-time web. Not sure what that means? chances are you aren’t alone but I’ll give you the short form description using an already famous web allegory.</p>
<p>Head down to your nearest firehouse, grab the hose and tell the nearest fireman to turn it on full blast.</p>
<p><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: block; float: none; margin-left: auto; border-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; border-right: 0px" title="firehose" border="0" alt="firehose" src="http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/firehose.jpg" width="387" height="219" /> </p>
<p>Yes folks we are being told that regardless of the fact that the majority of the stuff that streams by us daily in nothing but crap this non-stop flow of <strong>stuff</strong> is going to be the way of our future. Except the future according to some is actually already happening.</p>
<p>At the forefront of this rush to drown ourselves with information is of course the darling of the early adopters – <a title="FriendFeed" href="http://friendfeed.com">Friendfeed</a>. In this case the firehose got turned on when Friendfeed flipped the switch the other day and took their beta design of the site live for everyone to play with. I have already <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/23168/taking-a-hammer-to-friendfeed/">made my thoughts about this new design</a> of the service quite plain in a post here at <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/">The Inquisitr</a> and I’m not going to re-hash what is pretty well old news now – especially in this real-time Web world we are being thrust into.</p>
<p>What I am more interested in is all the hot air being pumped out about the idea of the real-time web and some of the things being written about one of the people behind the push for a real-time Web.</p>
<p><strong>A real-time Web isn’t so new</strong></p>
<p>It amazes me how much of the whole Web 2.0 kool-aid is drunk over supposed new ideas that our current crop of whiz kids are &lt;cough&gt; dreaming &lt;/cough&gt; up. Much is being made over at Friendfeed and in blog posts about how cool and breakthrough the instantaneous presentation of things like comments and the such is.</p>
<h3>How soon we forget.</h3>
<p>A few people have tried, valiantly, to point out that what Friendfeed is doing might be new in regards to the Web 2.0 world but in the larger scheme of the Internet it’s old hat. Yes people, I am talking about that old archaic service called IRC or as it is also known as – Internet Relay <strong>Chat</strong>. Get it – chat.</p>
<p>What Friendfeed has done is nothing more than put a web page interface to it. Now before you all start yammering about how the cranky old fart is off his rocker and doesn’t know what he is talking about I suggest you take an antidote to the Web 2.0 kool-aid and chill for a second.</p>
<p><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; margin: 0px 5px 0px 10px; display: inline; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="irc-chat" border="0" alt="irc-chat" align="right" src="http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/ircchat.jpg" width="244" height="184" /> I would be willing to bet that the large majority of people who are climbing on this Friendfeed is doing something new and it isn’t IRC bandwagon haven’t even been anywhere near an <a href="http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/networks/">IRC chat network or channel</a>. You think that what Friendfeed is doing is so new and different then I suggest you drop into one of the popular IRC channels on <a href="http://www.efnet.org/">EFNet</a>, <a href="http://freenode.info/">Freenode</a>, <a href="http://www.quakenet.org/">QuakeNet</a> or <a href="http://www.undernet.org/">Undernet</a> and see what real real-time conversation is all about. Discussions on any of those would make Friendfeed look like a garden hose with a kink in it.</p>
<p>I am sure that some will try and point to things like the Groups or private as a way to differentiate the service from such old school stuff. When you do that you only show either that you have never used IRC or it’s been a long time. On just about any IRC network you can setup permanent, or temporary, channels (Groups/Rooms) in less time that it would take you on Friendfeed. What a private conversation? it only takes a double click on the person’s name and bam – your private conversation.</p>
<p>There is nothing new about what Friendfeed is doing. It is only new because it has the Web 2.0 label attached to it. It is only new because in general people don’t want to admit that just maybe those of us who have been at this game for a long time may just have thought of this type of thing first. Sure you can add pretty pictures to your posts (but not on the comments) on Friendfeed but that is about the only thing that it allows for now that IRC doesn’t.</p>
<h3>The rewriting of Web history</h3>
<p>Of all the posts written about what Friendfeed has done the one <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_man_who_made_gmail_says_real-time_conversation.php">written by Marshall Kirkpatrick</a> at <a title="ReadWriteWeb" href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/">ReadWriteWeb</a> has to be the most effusive in it’s praise of this wonderful innovation. In the post Marshall piles on a lot of praise for Paul Buchheit one of the co-founders of Friendfeed. </p>
<p>Now just to clarify before the fanatics send out the lynch party Paul has had a great influence on the Web we use today from his time working at Google. After all his was the moving force behind Google GMail. However as <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/the_man_who_made_gmail_says_real-time_conversation.php#comment-136273">one commenter on Marshall’s post pointed out</a> this praise doesn’t include rewriting history in order to make Friendfeed even more world changing. The part the commenter was referring to was <img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: inline; margin-left: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; border-right: 0px" title="muglarge" border="0" alt="muglarge" align="right" src="http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/muglarge.jpg" width="240" height="240" />Marshall’s opening paragraph</p>
<blockquote><p>Paul Buchheit built the first version of Gmail in one day. Then, he built the first prototype of Google&#8217;s contextual advertising service, Adsense, in one day as well. Now, he&#8217;s working on a much-watched startup called <a href="http://friendfeed.com">FriendFeed</a> that he believes just brought to market the next big form of communication online: flowing, multi-person, real-time conversations</p>
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<p> The point of contention isn’t Paul’s contribution regarding GMail but rather that Marshall attributes the development of Adsense to Paul. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_AdSense">Well a quick check of Wikipedia</a>, as&#160; the commenter shows, proves otherwise</p>
<blockquote><p>The underlying technology behind AdSense was derived originally from WordNet, Simpli (a company started by the founder of Wordnet, George A. Miller), and a number of professors and graduate students from Brown University, including James A. Anderson, Jeff Stibel, and Steve Reiss. A variation of this technology utilizing WordNet was developed by Oingo, a small <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine">search engine</a> company based in Santa Monica founded in 1998 by Gilad Elbaz and Adam Weissman.<sup> </sup>Oingo changed its name to Applied Semantics in 2001, which was later acquired by Google in April 2003 for US$102 million.</p>
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<p>Nowhere on the Wikipedia page for Google Adsense does Paul’s name come into it so either a whole bunch of smart people who contributed to the entry are lying or Marshall is intentionally trying to puff up the importance of Paul – which doesn’t need to be. As a result for anyone who knows Web history Marshall’s post stopped being anything of substance by the end of the first paragraph.</p>
<h3>Not to diminish a cool feature</h3>
<p>I am not trying to diminish anything the Friendfeed team has accomplished, or will accomplish in the future. My only point is that before you start trying proclaim something as new and game changing you would be best to check your history. What Friendfeed has done is taken an already existing principal of Internet communication, added a few unique ideas to it and put it behind a web page. for that they deserve all the praise in the world.</p>
<p>However to suggest that real-time communication on the web is something revolutionary and game changing is misleading. Just as misleading is to write something that is provably incorrect in order to increase the readability of what is written.</p>
<p>In both cases it is nothing more than blowing a lot of hot air, something we already have enough of thank you very much.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/23295/someone-is-blowing-a-lot-of-hot-air/">Someone is blowing a lot of hot air</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com">The Inquisitr</a></p>
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