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Marley Lion Murder Draws Comparisons To Trayvon Martin

Marley Lion Murder Draws Comparisons To Trayvon Martin

Marley Lion and Trayvon Martin were both 17 years old when they were shot to death, both unarmed, and both doing nothing illegal.

The difference — Marley Lion is white, and some people claim that race is the reason Martin’s killing was national news but Lion’s is not.

Lion was killed in Charleston, South Carolina, at around 4 am on June 16, 2012. Police found him lying on the ground outside his Nissan Pathfinder, bleeding to death. Before dying he told police that two black males approached his car, one of them shooting him several times.

Charleston police would later arrest four people in connection with the shooting. The Charleston Police Department said they came across the suspects when one of them tried to sell the gun that had been used in Marley’s murder.

Though many have bemoaned the fact that Marley Lion’s murder has not garnered even a fraction of the attention that Trayvon Martin did, others point out that beneath the surface the cases are not at all alike. Martin was killed because George Zimmerman assumed that he was up to no good in the Sanford, Florida, gated community where Martin was staying.

Though Zimmerman and his family members have maintained that he is not racist, critics believe he assumed that young, black, hoodie-wearing Trayvon Martin was a criminal based on his appearance.

There were no such racial overtones in Marley Lion’s murder. Ryan Deleston, a 30-year-old black man charged Lion’s murder, was reportedly planning to rob a nearby bar when he came across Lion instead.

Lion’s murder also brought a swift investigation and charges, while Sanford police released Zimmerman the night of the shooting, deeming it was self-defense and no other investigation was needed.

On Tuesday, a leader of the Charleston branch of the NAACP made note of these distinctions.

“On the one hand, they were two young men who were minding their own business when it occurred. On the other hand, I think the problem in the Trayvon case is that the aftermath was different,” said Rev. Joseph Darby. “In the case of Marley Lion, there was an immediate search for the killer, fairly rapid apprehension, rapid action. With Trayvon Martin… the police were aware of the killing, but there was no charge until there was national pressure. I think the reason the Trayvon Martin case made national news was the level of inaction in Florida.”

Dot Scott, Charleston’s NAACP president, said the difference in police action highlights exactly why the Trayvon Martin case was so noteworthy. She said investigators “did what they should have done” after the murder of Marley Lion, but that “doesn’t happen the same way with the life of a black child.”

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110 Responses to “Marley Lion Murder Draws Comparisons To Trayvon Martin”

  1. Lindsay Conrad

    Possession of marijuana and aggregated assault are illegal.

  2. Louis DeVries

    The story says: "Martin was killed because George Zimmerman assumed that he was up to no good in the Sanford, Florida, gated community where Martin was staying."

    Uh, no. Martin was killed because he had assaulted Zimmerman, knocked him to the ground, and was on top of him pummeling him MMA style, causing Zimmerman's head to bang into the sidewalk, and getting Zimmerman two black eyes, a broken nose, cuts on his face, and lacerations on the back of his head. Screaming for help and fearing for his life, Zimmerman then shot Martin. That's what the evidence showed at the trial and that's why Martin was killed.

  3. Geek chic

    yea the difference is lion was killed in a robbery by a thug and martin was killed by a neighborhood watchman that's why he wasnt immediately arrested because someone who is just trying to keep their neighbors safe got into a fight with him. which if trayvon was the innocent man you make him out to be he would not have done in the first place he would have answered zimmermans questions and gone about his night.

  4. Joey Knight

    Well if the NAACP wants to be as smart as they think they are they should learn the law. The self defense & SYG law both state, arrest are not required if evidence supports self defense. unless there are suspicions, no arrests are required. THAT'S why they didn't do anything immediately.

  5. Leslie Elaine Cunningham Schulze

    But if four white guys held up and killed an unarmed black kid they would say it was racist even if it was a ro bery

  6. Aay Jay H

    The Rev. Darby speculated that “In the case of Marley Lion, there was an immediate search for the killer, fairly rapid apprehension, rapid action. With Trayvon Martin… the police were aware of the killing, but there was no charge until there was national pressure. I think the reason the Trayvon Martin case made national news was the level of inaction in Florida.”.

    The reason the police did not arrest and charge Zimmerman was because they determined he acted in self defense according to the Stand your Ground law. The trial and jury validated that decision. The police got it right the first time but this determination simply was not accepted by the black community.

  7. Monica Harris

    So if any person walks up to you, you have to answer their question? He ddidn't even identify himself. Do your children talk to strangers?

  8. Dana Winn

    The problem here is that the NAACP and followers will ALWAYS think that whites are Racist no matter what! I am SICK of hearing all of this crap about how Trayvon Martin was killed because George Zimmerman was Racist! I don't think he should've followed Martin that night, he should've stayed in his car and let the police handle it. Unfortunately he did not yield. What the NAACP and followers must realize is that Zimmerman's actions do NOT reflect what the rest of "whites, Hispanics, American Indians, Asians..etc" of this nation would have done! I have never spoken against any organization in my life but I'm getting SICK of how people think they are owed something because their ancestors were enslaved 200 years ago. I am an AMERICAN and I went to college that I paid for myself, sent my children to college (which I paid for), and There are people's Ancestors that were thrown off their land and forced to walk in horrible conditions to a "new place" so that settlers could take over what is now called the United States of America. History is history. Without the happenings of our forefathers, there would be NO history! Imagine that! So build a bridge and GET OVER IT!

  9. Jim Youngblood

    no you don't. However you don't commence to beating the crap out of them either.

  10. Teniqua D'Shay Grimsley

    The REAL evidence shows that there was NONE of zimmermans dna found ANYWHERE on Trayvon. Not supporting Zimmermans claim that Trayvon covered his "bloody face" to muffle "his screams" and if trayvon was on top how was it that forensics show that Trayvon's clothes where muddy and dirty in the front ( showing signs of being pinned down ) but Zimmerman had NOTHING. witness say that the "bigger" person was on top fighting MMA style…Zimmerman had 18+ months experience in Mixed Martial Arts. The list goes on but who cares about any of that. George followed his attorney directions on not to take the stand, why couldnt he follow directions of the 911 dispatcher not to follow trayvon? None of this would be happening if he kept his fatass in the car.

  11. Alex Reyes

    Teniqua D'Shay Grimsley But, there were several witnesses that testified that Martin was on top, so your argument is invalid. Regardless, I've never heard of a White Hispanic before. If that's the case when Oscar Pistorius murdered his girlfriend, he was white , but why didn't the mainstream media label him White African American? Truth is these liberal mainstream "presstitutes" are using color to divide this nation. Al Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters are doing exactly what Martin Luther King was against. Yet, nobody can see past collectivism. This case was self defense. Nothing more, nothing less.

  12. James Whitfield

    Teniqua D'Shay Grimsley None of it needed to happen if the mini thug would have just said fuck you and walked away instead. Both of them are complete fucking morons. Both of them trying to be their own little Hercules the little thug just decided to bring fist to a gun fight we all know how that turns out every time a group of pussy thugs decide to drive by shooting randomly and end up killing an innocent person that they weren't even aiming at. but it's ok for the black community to be wreck less with their weapons. but don't let a hispanic guy do it cause then the whole white race get's blamed for it.

  13. Juwan D. Hodge

    At the end of the day we don't know what EXACTLY happened that night. I pray that Zimmerman is telling truth, but if not only God can be the judge of that. Race will forever be an issue no matter if you're black or white. Regardless of what anyway has to say WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH. Zimmerman could be lying or Trayvon could have acted in a criminal like matter. Either way lets please leave it up to God to decide Zimmerman's true faith.

  14. Monica Harris

    What about after you see the person following you? After you speed up? Do you want to find out why they're chasing you after they run tocatch up with you? Something like that happen to my girls 17&13yrs old. They're both 5'1. The one time in the mall they started respectfully answering questions. When the realized the adult had another man summoned by phone follow them also to cut them off @the restrooms they walk them straight to me. I guess I could have stood my ground then. They couldn't answer me, I was ready.They Went straight to the exit without knowing that I could injury or take they're life. I did not pursue. I'm 5'4.

  15. Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson

    Alex Reyes Oscar was not an American. White people are the only race in America that didn't and don't have to deal with race issues so you will always be oblivious to what brown people have to deal with. You will always jump to say… why are they always throwing race cards … because race matters. It might not matter to privileged white America because your people are the ones who enslaved blacks from Africa. I know that slavery was everywhere else in the world but not to the level as in the US. Hanging, cutting off body parts, raping their women and everything else thinkable. Emmitt till was murdered only for what whistling at a white woman and he was MURDERED. His murdered got away too … so stop being one side…but then again … I wouldn't expect for you to understand.

  16. Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson

    James Whitfield Nope fat boy should have just stayed in the car and not followed. He is not a cop. He was not hired security. He had a bullet in the chamber ready for anything. Any black male that walked through his neighborhood would have been a target … Since the white girl on stand stated that two black men robbed their house … so every black male Zimboy saw he thought was a criminal. He had no right to do that. Trayvon had a right to stand his ground as well after being FOLLOWED and CHASED.

  17. Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson

    No, usually we say it's racisit when 4 white guys drag a black man on the back of a pick up truck … so don't compare apples and oranges because you only look stupid doing so.

  18. Sean Hellier

    One thing that Zimmerman's supporters say is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman when Zimmerman went up to ask him who he was.

    We only have Zimmerman's word for that. The truth is that all we know is that:

    1. Zimmerman saw Martin, deemed him suspicious, called the police, and then got out of his car armed with a gun and followed him.

    2. Some kind of altercation began, and at some point Martin was on top of Zimmerman.

    3. Zimmerman killed Martin.

    Now, to my mind, the real culpability for this has to lie with a man who ignored his Neighborhood Watch guidelines to follow and confront a person. All of this while armed with a deadly weapon.

    I don't think Zimmerman is racist. I think he has a Napoleon complex. He was sick of crime and wasn't going to let this A-hole, as he put it, get away.

    And he didn't, did he?

  19. William Glenn Wagner

    If Treyvo Martin hadn't been suspended from school for procession of marijuana and fighting he would have been back in Miami and not in Stanford in the first place.

  20. Josh Mullin

    How on earth is it self defense when a KID and stalked by an ADULT who has a GUN then the adult starts a confrontation………

  21. Jemar Smith

    The only evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman was from Zimmerman's side of the story for which I don't understand why people think is so credible. People ignore his demeanor on the phone call forgetting he already built hatred towards Martin based on Martin's appearance. We know martin was profiled and followed but we don't know how the altercation went down and who was screaming. (Although the screaming stopped immediately after the gun shot).

  22. William Ingramm

    People keep saying "MMA style" as if that means something…..well it does mean something, it means the person saying it had made up their mind regardless of the facts.

  23. Adam Meshaw

    Only evidence? So Zimmerman did all of those injuries to himself? Ohhhhh,so it was like Jim Carrey in Liar Liar….I gotcha now. Good talk

  24. Anonymous

    Who let these anthropoids loose in this country anyway. Was it a dope named Abe Lincolon. I admit, I have a lot of hatred for all neegears nowadays.

  25. Megan Riley-Ayers

    "He built hatred towards martin based on his appearance"?! There is absolutely no evidence which supports that ridiculous statement… it's a FEELING that you made up in your head!

  26. Gary Davis

    We expect thugs to kill people. What makes the Zimmerman case special, is here we see a "law-abiding citizen" killing someone and fully admitting it. And because he admitted the killing on police video, his version of the story was allowed as evidence, without Zimmerman ever being cross-examined.

  27. Michael Szadis

    I've never felt racist in my life until the aftermath of this trial and all the justification that people used to go public and act like assholes. I appreciate so much that you as a black man made this post, I started to think in my head that all blacks were cynical asses even though I knew that thought was wrong. I'm glad that you see past the media crap and understand this man had a fair trial under U.S. law. The jurors simply did not have enough to convict based on the charges the state of Florida brought forth. I believed then and still believe today this man needs to serve time but can we all admit whether you like the outcome or not he was tried by a jury of his peers (no matter how much you want to profile this panel of jurors, 6 women, 5 white, 1 Hispanic, all mothers, did not see fit to convict and all agreed upon by both sides of the case in pretrial confirmation) and had a very public trial and was found not guilty. You cannot go into a case with media bias and then make a predetermined outcome. Both sides of the story came out in testimony and if you still believe in the American justice system even if the outcome is not what you want, justice did prevail. So go torch the world, punch an old lady in the face, throw a hammer at server but it only gives credence to the fact that you want justice when it serves you best otherwise you simply want to use it as a reason to steal a Wal-Mart TV… two wrongs does not make a right and god will have his own justice in the end!!!

  28. Juwan D. Hodge

    don't get me wrong i do think that Travyon could've been.innocent and.Zimmerman's pursued th situation when he shoulsnt have .. but I'll leave all the judging up.to God .. at the end

  29. Tony Daughtrey

    How stupid are you? Click your own college link: "Southeastern Louisiana University is a state-funded public university in Hammond, Louisiana, United States." You did not pay for it all by yourself. You had help, and your inability to understand that is symptomatic of the conservative disease that is destroying this country.

  30. Sirena Davis Vann

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson African people are the one who sold their own people to Americans to be slaves in the first place and they kill and rape their own people as we speak. why don't you just move on over there and see how long you last. and I hate it for you but my family struggles every day and nothing is handed to us.

  31. Sirena Davis Vann

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson African people are the one who sold their own people to Americans to be slaves in the first place and they kill and rape their own people as we speak. why don't you just move on over there and see how long you last. and I hate it for you but my family struggles every day and nothing is handed to us.

  32. Sirena Davis Vann

    Tony Daughtrey that doesn't mean nothing because my cousin went to one of those schools and they paid for NOTHING you hear me NOTHING. she paid it all by her self

  33. Sirena Davis Vann

    Tony Daughtrey that doesn't mean nothing because my cousin went to one of those schools and they paid for NOTHING you hear me NOTHING. she paid it all by her self

  34. Sirena Davis Vann

    yes that was wrong no matter how you look at it. they should have done them the say way. I remember when that happened

  35. Sirena Davis Vann

    yes that was wrong no matter how you look at it. they should have done them the say way. I remember when that happened

  36. Jerry Edelman

    The problem that I have is with the comment s that the head of the Charleston NAACP stated that the Sanford police department did NOT do what they were supposed to do in the investigation. There is ABSOLUTELY no evidence that the Sanford police handled this case inappropriately. Not one stitch of evidence has ever been found to indicate that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin or instigated the fight that took place. The FBI interview approximately 40 people to find out if there was any hint of racism in Zimmerman's background and could find ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. All the evidence presented at trial indicates that the Sanford police handled the case entirely appropriately. And that was why ZIMMERMAN was never arrested, because there was NO crime. What these political activists would like us to believe was that this case was botched from the start, simply BECAUSE of racism, and that is just a lie. And they reason they continue to lie about this fact is that it does NOT further their political and social agenda.

  37. Jerry Edelman

    And one more comment about the political and racial hypocrisy, why all of a sudden was Zimmerman being portrayed as a "WHITE HISPANIC" by the media if it was NOT to further a dishonest racial agenda????

  38. Kelly Fleming Hanratty

    Martin was a huge 6ft 3" "child"…. Zimmerman should of stayed in his car no doubt. But the fact that he didn't doesn't mean it's Ok for that huge child to pummel Zimmerman to the ground. I wouldbe ffearing for my llife too. Martin was trying to get Zimmerman gun that's why he got shot. Not bbecause he was black. And Zimmerman is not white. I'm sick of hearing that. We are all Americans act like it!

  39. Kelly Fleming Hanratty

    There were witnesses who saw Zimmerman on his back getting beat up.

  40. Kelly Fleming Hanratty

    I'm so sick of hearing and reading this martin story. This article is about the 17 year old Lion case. It wasn't reported by the mainstream media bc it's not nnewsworthy. Period

  41. Michael Hodgerney

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson Nope, if sweet little innocent lamb of a thuig, Tray Tray hadn't thugged out and attacked Zimmerman from behind he would still be alive today. Zimmerman had given up following and was walking back to his vehicle. Martin profiled him, he thought that he could kick Zimmerman's ass and he was proved wrong. End of story.

  42. Jessica Castano

    The media is the DEVIL. I like how there creating more tension amongst black and white, people are so stupid, they fell right into their hands, TWO young man have lost their life.

  43. Raymon Kravagna

    Alex Reyes So what are you saying? That Zimmerman beat himself up?if not what are you saying.Yes he saw a black kid in a hoody so he thought he was up to no good he may have profiled him yes we all get that but tell us how Zimmerman got beat up if martin did not do it.Not all beatings leave DNA by the way.

  44. Raymon Kravagna

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson In Jamaica they where just as bad as the U.S. was maybe worse.That said when do stop talking about it?150 years is not enough I guess o when? 200,300 years.Slavery was horrible but black were not the only slaves in the world.Other countries where built by slaves.I understand blacks feel like we 'whites' are all against them but that is far from the truth.I am white but not 'privliaged' at all.As one black football coach said few years ago "shut up' about slavery we would be in Africa getting chopped up right now if not for it.If a white man said that it would be headline news but because a black man said you most likely never heard it.

  45. Raul Toichoa-Fulford

    1. "just trying to keep their neighbors safe" Ya his white neighbors maybe, and at the expense of his black neighbors
    2. " which if trayvon was the innocent man you make him out to be he would not have done in the first place he would have answered zimmermans questions and gone about his night." Regardless, of what we make him out to be, Martin was, before Zimmerman started to pursue him, perfectly innocent. In most civilized countries one can walk down the street without having one's motives questioned. No sensible person would have felt any need to put up with an armed civilian following them around for no reason. Any african american youth who had felt the particular need to buy some skittles that night would be dead right now.

  46. Dave Price

    1. Read the transcript, Z didn't even know where Martin was when he left his truck (in his own neighborhood, mind you, where he was accustomed to being able to walk around). He didn't follow Martin after the call ended, he got out to check the address so he could give it to the police when they called him back as they got in the area, so they'd know where to meet him. Martin doubled back on Zimmerman, confronted him, and assaulted him. He even had motive — he had a history of burglary and wouldn't have liked Z keeping an eye on him, as that's how the last burglar had been caught by the Neighborhood Watch.

  47. Naomi Blue

    Teniqua D'Shay Grimsley Obviously you didn't watch the trial. Absence of DNA is not proof no DNA was ever present, especially in the rain and sloppy CSI. George may have had 18 months training in MMA for weight loss, but the trainer testified that he surely did NOT know MMA. Whereas Trayvon's FB and Twitter shows he was proficient in street style MMA fighting. He learned it on the street, not n a gym. And George did NOT disobey the NEN operator to not follow Trayvon. But even if he had disobeyed that operator, that operator has no authority to order George to do anything, and disobeying him would not have been illegal or against the law.

  48. Aaron Iwishyouwould Marable

    Help me understand, Trayvon is a "thug" because he had a record? If a 17 yo white kid has these same issues he's "troubled". What kind of grown man gets a pass to stalk and kill a kid? And what does it say about our society that actual arguments exist and go on at length about how awful a 17 year old kid is? Why is it suspicious in the first place to walk around with skittles and a drink. As far as Marley Lion goes its not a newsworthy story period. Minority violence is largely ignored unless its either sensational or horrific. The offenders in this case were swiftly brought to justice and deserve the needle. Change and responsibility comes from both communities, anyone who claims they hold no stereotypes or pre concieved notions are liars. Attitudes and thought processes have to change. Education and opportunity needs to be promoted. All the devisive bullshit needs to stop! This case and cases like it help to bolster these feelings and further the divide. Stop being sheep! Trayvon should be alive today because Zimmerman should have stayed in the car as instructed….period! Everything from there is speculation. What we do know is he disobeyed that order and a child is dead.

  49. Aaron Iwishyouwould Marable

    Wheres the compairison? This is a cut and dry case of homicide, and the POS that killed him should get the needle. Anyone argueing that these 2 cases are in anyway similar is a moron! Apples and Oranges

  50. Terrie Greene

    The neighborhood watchman had to get out and check to see what street he was on????? He knew that Martin didn't belong in his neighborhood but he didn't know what street he was on sounds real suspicious to me…… What thief you know goes to the store to get a drink and candy before robbing houses????? Please show me the proof that says Trayvon was a thief and not just what you heard from the defense…..

  51. Terrie Greene

    Jim Youngblood 3 small cuts and a swollen blood streaked nose counts as a beating??? look at the evidence….. for someone who claims his head was repeatedly rammed into concrete and punched several times with so little injuries…. What all the punches Trayvon was supposedly giving landed directly on his nose? I have seen people fall and hit their head once on concrete and sustain worst injuries that Zimmerman who "had his head repeatedly slammed on concrete"…..

  52. Ron Grant

    It is definitely newsworthy… The fact that this story gets little to no coverage is sad because if the roles were reversed, we all know how it would be portrayed.

  53. Michael Penney

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson -you do know black slaves were purchased from blacks in africa, right?

  54. Amber Shiree Sullivan

    Kim LaCapria Self defense is substantiated, without the "Who started it" BS.

  55. Paulette Banning

    Journalists are supposed to be neutral and state facts, not opinions. It's good to know that The Inquisitr does not hold true to these journalistic standards.

  56. Aaron Iwishyouwould Marable

    I dont mean that I dont personally find it newsworthy, what I mean is its generally not supported on a national level unless its really horrific, or it involves a child or some type of special circumstance. And frankly if every instance of white on minority crime recieved heavy news coverage it would be a 24/7 news channel. Again, if it were so geared in such an uneven direction why does Chicago not lead every nightly news cast? We have the 13 year old kid that was shot in the chest on surveillence video by a white guy who claimed he robbed his house (absolutely no evidence or property was found) this isnt leading the news. We catch these stories because they strike a chord individually. Pretending that the news is only skewed in one direction in favor of another is pretty innacurate. I would guess it would be just like the Trayvon case, everyone would have an opinion and use the facts as they see them to support that opinion. No one dug into Marley Lions past and ignored the criminal record of the assailants. Look up Zimmermans criminal history domestic violence, racist comments, etc. and the facebook/social media postings that his lawyers are now trying to supress. But its about a 17 year old being a "thug?" The case of Marley Lion didnt garner national attention because it was one of cut and dry homicide, doesnt make it any less tragic but not a story that would lead national news. His killers being black, white' or hot pink.

  57. Ron Grant

    Yea thats definitely true, there isn't half the controversy with this one

  58. Aqilah El

    I'm just going to place this here "Kenneth Hicks The Marley Lion case is different because everyone responsible for the murder was immediately arrested and charged with a crime. The people arrested were given background checks, drug tests, and put through all the legal steps to make sure the police had all the necessary information when it comes to shooting an unarmed teen.

    Zimmerman, on the other hand hadn’t received any background checks, was not tested for drugs, and wasn’t even immediately charged for a crime. But you know what the police did do? They gave Trayvon a drug test and did a background check on him. The police did a more thorough investigation on the murder victim than the murderer himself.

    Now I’m not saying that one life is more important than the other. Both are tragedies that shouldn’t have happened, but when people try to trivialize the importance of Trayvon’s case I can’t help but think that they’re ignorant of the bigger picture."

  59. Kim LaCapria

    I think it costs white people a lot to admit this case is such a travesty. It's like the just world theory- if I think my whiteness has NOTHING to do with where I am in life, it's easier for me to feel safe because I can pretend bad things happen if you do bad things.

    To admit white privilege is also to admit that a human being, an underage minor, was killed in walking home. Who wants to live in a world where THAT happens? Ew. It's so much easier to blame rap music, hoodies, and Chicago than to admit something terrible happened and we should all be ashamed.

  60. Sandra Lowe

    You are right….they are not the same. It's never considered a racially hated crime when a black person kills a white person. Why is that? Why is it that whenever a white/Hispanic/anyone other than black kills a black person it's considered a racially hate crime?

  61. Kim LaCapria

    On what exactly are you basing this criticism? What do you see that's not neutral in this article?

  62. Kim LaCapria

    William Glenn Wagner Today I learned it's morally and legally okay to shoot children who have been suspended for lateness. The more you know!

  63. Nick Jesch

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson not so at all. I carry every day a round in the chamber ready just in case someone else attacks ME. :Fat boy" was ASKED to get more details on who this hooded critter was, and why he was prowling about in people's back yards where he had no business being… and to keep an eye on him from a distance so the cops, already on the way, could locate the hooded hood more quickly. THAT is why GZ was out of his vehicle. NO OTHER KID< black, purple, green, or white, ever would have been on the wrong end of a bullet if they had not assaulted GZ… after TM went through several private backyards, doubled around to where GZ"a truck was parked, waited for GZ to return to it, then jumped him, knocking bhim to the ground ahd pounding his ehad into the sidewalk. It was only when TM discovered the handgun and tried to get it, promising to kill GZ with it that night, did GZ bring the gun into play. YOU are playing the racist pig in putting all these motives into GZ, a hispanic dude who had had many close friends taht were black, had dedicated years of his ilfe in mentoring and helping young black kids, even when county funding was supposed to have ended that program he kept up the relationship. That relationship was ended when GZ was arrested on false charges of murder, and accused of racially profiling Martin. Remember, it was 911 Dispatch who first broached the subject of the suspicious person's race. GZ never thought it important. Any time anyone in MY neighbourhood sees someone who does not live on a property walking slowly around on somon'es place, we check it out. And most of us are armed. I know I am, always. If someone is in my neighbour's yard and I don't know who they are, I've got the sheriff on the phone and I put myself in a position to watch… without provoking. Margin wasnot happy someone was "watching" him, my guess is he was one fo the guys had been doing the shousebreakings in that development. Funny thing, there had been several in the few months prior to this incident…. and NOT ONE since. What is the possiblity Martin is the one had been doing it? He had been found at school with a pocket full of stolen goods… jewelry, etc. Did anyone check those items to see from where they'd been stolen? I'd lay long odds they came from those earlier breakings.

    Last, if Martin had just gone back do daddy's pad, he'd still be drinking his tea and gobbling down his skittles. He CHOSE to double aroud through a number of provate backyards where he was trespassing, and wait for GZ back at his truck, jump him and beat him up. "innocent"? Not bloody likely. It was no one but Trayvon Martin that killed Trayvon Martin. Had GZ not been armed, HE'd have been the dead guy, victim of an unprovoked assault. And no, getting out of my truck to keep an eye on someone prowling round in my neighbour's backyard is NOT provoking assault.

    One more thing to remember…. Zimmerman is no more white than is Obama. Racism? No, its your kind being racist.

  64. Nick Jesch

    Michael Szadis Remember….. Zimmerman is as white as Obama is.

  65. Nick Jesch

    Neighbourhood Watch people HAVE the right to ask questions…. they go through training, know the limits of what they can and cannot do. No one was "chasing" martin, only trying to keep enough track of him to tell the cops where he was to the cops could ask the questions about WHY was he prowling about in people's backyards. Martin eluded him, doubled back, laid in wait for him at the truck. How else could they both have been back at the truck after GZ had walked a ways to keep track of Martin? GZ never had a chance to identify himself, never got that close to TM. TM was sneaking about i backyards, it was dark and rainy, TM sent through those yards (he obviously knew his way around everyone's backyard… is that not suspicious in itself? He does not even live in that 'hood, but knows all the backyards? You paint a picture of TM feeling threatened, someone chasing after him to apprehend him….. the evidence does NOT indicate this at all. And what about the phone conversation with his chickfriend? HE is the one who called GZ a creepy arse cracker…. and YOU want to weave a story about racism? Remember… GZ is as white as Obama is.

  66. Nick Jesch

    Stand Your Ground was never an issue. Self defense was, and still is. Two very different things. One has no option of retreat with a big punk martial arts trained football player high on dope astraddle you and smashing your face and beating your skull into the sidewalk below you. Even then, GZ did not bring his handgun into the situation….. not until TM discovered it, tried to get control of it, and promised to kill GZ with it that night. Had TM not decked GZ, he'd still be sitting in his pappy's living room drinking his tea and snarffling his skittles. And GZ would be a truly free man, rather than having a few million black people wanting him dead. Remember, GZ is as white as Obama is. And you want to holler "racist".

  67. Nick Jesch

    he already built hatred toward Martin"? On what fairy tale is that false accusation based> Listen to the 911 calls live…. no, I mean the ones from the 911 office, not the ones doctored by the TeeVee station to make GZ out to be racist. He hadn't even got close enough to Martin by that point to give an accurate description of the kid to the 911 dispatcher. Dispatch had to ask if he was black, all GZ could say was "I think so"…. a long ways from starting out "hey thereis this hooded creepy ass black punk nosin around in people's backyards trying to case their houses to break in".. no, he did NOT say that. Nohting close. I see unknown people nosing around in MY neighbour's backyards I get ssupicious too. Fact is, my neighbours have both had breakins, we've all had thefts from our properties. We notice what goes on in each others' yards… and we are also armed. Anyone up to no good better not jump any of us…… there'll be another Martin case… except we'd all be white around here. Remember, too, Zimmerman grew up with many black and hispanic neighbours, close friends, and had been mentoring and befriending two black teens, even after county funds had been cut from the program he continued on… until the race baiting rabblerousers got him arrested. That ended that relationhsip…. thanks, Mr. Sharptongue. Remember, Zimmerman is as white as is Obama

  68. Nick Jesch

    he already built hatred toward Martin"? On what fairy tale is that false accusation based> Listen to the 911 calls live…. no, I mean the ones from the 911 office, not the ones doctored by the TeeVee station to make GZ out to be racist. He hadn't even got close enough to Martin by that point to give an accurate description of the kid to the 911 dispatcher. Dispatch had to ask if he was black, all GZ could say was "I think so"…. a long ways from starting out "hey thereis this hooded creepy ass black punk nosin around in people's backyards trying to case their houses to break in".. no, he did NOT say that. Nohting close. I see unknown people nosing around in MY neighbour's backyards I get ssupicious too. Fact is, my neighbours have both had breakins, we've all had thefts from our properties. We notice what goes on in each others' yards… and we are also armed. Anyone up to no good better not jump any of us…… there'll be another Martin case… except we'd all be white around here. Remember, too, Zimmerman grew up with many black and hispanic neighbours, close friends, and had been mentoring and befriending two black teens, even after county funds had been cut from the program he continued on… until the race baiting rabblerousers got him arrested. That ended that relationhsip…. thanks, Mr. Sharptongue. Remember, Zimmerman is as white as is Obama

  69. Michael Baldwin

    "Lion and Martin, both unarmed, and both doing nothing illegal." REALLY? How about the fact that Martin was beating George Zimmerman's head into concrete? Did you not see the picture of Zimmerman's nose and eyes? Lion was a victim of a cold-blooded murder by black man…..Not news, he's not important because that is acceptable and normal in this society. Martin was committing a crime when he was shot, however because of the "RIOT FACTOR" state prosecutors decided to try to hang a man who was clearly innocent. Now they are rioting after the verdict instead of facing the riot factor earlier by refusing charges against Zimmerman. Another case of 10% of this country having the other 90% on their knees.

  70. Kali J. Burgos

    Louis DeVries: Uh. NO. He did NOT attack that pos. That pos profiled and followed him. His injuries did were NOT serious. Cuts and 2 Bandaids. You beat your head on a concrete and see if you get cuts. Hmmm. Zimmerbitch is a liar. And those that believe his lies are pathetic racist pos. Trayvon was UNARMED. Only had on a hoodie IN THE RAIN, with a bag of Skittles, and a can of juice while talking on the phone. He didn't want that pos to know where he lived. He had all the right to be there. His stepmother and stepbrother lived there. I teach my kids (whom are biracial–Black/PR) the same thing. Hide if they think someone strange is following them. And run. Find someone and call me.

  71. Kali J. Burgos

    Alex Reyes Those witnesses are liars. Zimmerbitch was the one with the MMA training. Self Defense, BS…….Trayvon was whooping his a**……He couldn't take an a** whooping so he MURDERED him

  72. Kali J. Burgos

    Aubrey Drew Zimmerbitch is a pathetic liar and MURDERER

  73. Kali J. Burgos

    Raymon Kravagna Any kind of beating does leave some kind of DNA…….Whether dead skin from the other person or blood….Trayvon did NOT beat him. He whooped his ass

  74. Kali J. Burgos

    Raymon Kravagna Any kind of beating does leave some kind of DNA…….Whether dead skin from the other person or blood….Trayvon did NOT beat him. He whooped his ass

  75. Kali J. Burgos

    Naomi Blue Obviously you did NOT watch the trial. All lies!!

  76. Miya Turn

    You're delusional if you think that's what happened.

  77. John Trahan

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson Just a little FYI, My quick thoughts on the whole Trayvon thing. Regardless if Trayvon was up to no good or not, he should have never been shot, I do feel that an injustice was done due to the fact that Zimmerman was not a public official. That whole stand your ground law should have been thrown out the window due to the fact that Zimmerman more than likely approached Trayvon first. IMO, this case actually is totally different from the Trayvon case, different circumstances and events happened. We are the retarded mass for buying into all the news organizations propaganda. It's the news organizations that decide what is covered and not covered and personally I think they feel more views covering the Black killed by White thing. To the other people saying why wasn't this covered, I think I just covered that for you. Personally, it should never be about White or Black. Also, who decided Zimmerman was white lol, see, I feel a plot by someone to divide the nation. On that note, Slavery…..Um how do you think that the Africans got to America and sold? Wasn't only the British folks that brought them here. Also, slavery was part of that time and culture, what happened happened, it is history and we cannot change it nor should anyone living today that was born after slavery times feel guilty or need to pay reparations to any living soul because no one is owed anything. If you weren't a slave, you deserve nothing. Also I do think that the whole African American thing is dumb. You are an American. Now if you were born in Africa, came to the U.S. took the citizenship test and passed, you are then considered an African American. Other than that why separate yourself from being a true blue American? People need to learn how to get along and quit the bickering and fighting. I know I am off subject, but every time I see someone bring up slavery, reparations (yes I know you didn't say this, but it goes hand in hand), and African American it just makes me shake my head because that is what separates us as a nation. I wish every race would get pass the whole color thing and see whats really before them, A HUMAN BEING!

  78. Kimberly Steffen

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson Actually, i believe a Republican set them free, The Democrats wanted to keep them slaves. And why did they keep the fact that he was at his fathers girlfriends house because he had been kicked out of alternate school, was always bragging about fighting, and buying guns, and selling drugs…..but they just want to kept the flames going to put more division between the races……WAKE UP !!!!! Do you own research, ask questions, do not just take the word of the media….WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE NOT TRUSTWORTHY……even Charles Barkley knows the jury's decision was the right decisionhttp://www.cnbc.com/id/100897441

  79. Cyndi Winzeler

    According to testimony, Z was already OUT of his car to answer questions of house numbers where the boy had ducked in. After advised he did not HAVE to follow, he said OK (and maps show the fight took place between that point and his car. TM couldv'e gotten home, but doubled back- not exactly trying to escape- the point of self defense. Eyewitnesses saw him bashing Zhead on the sidewalk, THAT is what caused the shooting, not 'innocently walking'

  80. Aaron Iwishyouwould Marable

    Isnt the point that we dont actually know what happened? And depending on wich "eye witness" you believe an arguement can be made for either being at fault for the confrontation. I dont think that simply because the choice is made to believe one witness over the other implies any sort of guilt. Again, nothing is suspicious about a kid walking in a hoody with candy and a beverage. Its interesting that Trayvons character is in question while Zimmermans past record is brushed aside.

  81. Aaron Iwishyouwould Marable

    BTW lets not forget those charges and accusations are : resisting arrest with force, alleged molestation, domestic abuse, 46 phone calls to Florida police in a years time all involving black males, and a statement from his cousin that he was both confrontational and violent. That he would start trouble just to get in fights……..sounds like a great guy, and one that would NEVER provoke a situation. And he was doing rounds, but contacted the dispatcher from his vehicle. The lead investigator stated that this could have been avoided if Zimmerman had simply stayed in the car, or identified himself as a concerned citizen. He did neither, instead hes a grown man sprinting toward a 17 year old kid. Fight or flight pure and simple, it doesnt make Trayvon guilty just because Zimmerman couldnt get the best of him hand to hand.

  82. Neil Frisch

    Alex Reyes On the EEO forms you fill out for jobs. One of the race selections is "White not Hispanic" So I guess it is pretty common.

  83. Neil Frisch

    Are we really this desperate to find racial motivations in everything envolving two people of different races? The two cases aren't even closely similar. One was an armed robbery the other was a couple of losers fighting over turf and machismo.

  84. Neil Frisch

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson You seem to be confusing your opinion with facts. That never adds to an intelligent conversation. If we want to solve the racial divides in this country, we need to speak intelligently and not just let emotions rule the conversation.

  85. Nora Simon

    Shanna Rip Cuzo Jackson …your knowledge of and interpretation of history is despicable. Were you enslaved by your contemporaries or do you merely find it comforting to wallow in the intellectual laziness that permits you to regurgitate soundbiites that have have been either been distorted or fully manufactured? YOU were never a slave. Think about that. Slavery has gone on for many, many centuries, globally, and still exists today, and fyi, the African slave trade was facilitated BY Africans selling their tribal enemies and their own people to slave traders. The notion of abolition is one that originated in white Western Europe and in America as a result of democratic principles, principles that are largely absent in much of dictator-occupied Africa and in the Middle East. Where is your rage toward the enablers of slavery on the other side of the globe? You rant against *race cards* yet you toss them out by characterizing people as white or brown. Why are you not speaking out on the crime rate of blacks against other blacks, with the murder statistics showing that 93% of black murders are committed by other blacks?

  86. Heather Hale

    Teniqua D'Shay Grimsley None of it would've happened if Trayvon had gone to the house he was headed to & gone inside instead of trying to confront the guy – his posts/texts & tweets already PROVED that he thought he was little Johnny badass. Same dumbass attitude I've seen with teenage boys of ANY colour – their race hasn't made one bit of difference in their self-belief that they're invincible.

  87. Heather Hale

    Michael Hodgerney Yup – and if Trayvon had continued to the house he was headed to, Zimmerman would've been arrested for stalking and found guilty based on how the law stands – how ironic is THAT!?

  88. Penny Demirjian Apperson

    I am so sick and tired of listening to how poorly the blacks were treated and enslaved! Dana I am with you.
    And who do you think were selling "your people" off to the white man? Your black chiefs that's who. Start condemning your own race. You think every white person doesn't struggle, you think there's no racism? Your poorly mistaken, my God you have racism within your own race. You discriminate against whites! Let a white person walk into a black bar or black neighborhood.
    My grandparents saw their parents murdered, beheaded. Made to leave their own country. They came here and worked for everything they got. There was no welfare or food stamps. They got on with their lives, and this happened in the early 1900's not 200 years ago.
    Quit your crying and whining and live your life. My son worked himself through college and is still working to put himself through. There have been no handouts. Before you open your mouth and knock us know what your saying. As for the pulling the race card, well it's alive and well. I continually had to deal with blacks crying racism where I work, because someone complained of ones attitude how many times I heard they don't like me cause I'm black. No, they don't like you because of the way they were treated by you.

  89. Gerald Vestal

    Teniqua D'Shay Grimsley thinks we should all fear the black man… After Trayvon was shot, he was face down on the grass still withering in pain. Explains stains. Deadly force stopped by deadlier force. Its not agaist the law to get your fat ass out of the car. it is against the law to beat someone.