Category: Technology Author : Duncan Riley Posted: November 13, 2008
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ZDNet is morally bankrupt


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It’s a dog eat dog world, people grabbing stories from other people, sometimes pictures. Sometimes there’s a legal angle, sometimes there isn’t. Journalists like to say that they hold themselves to higher standards then bloggers, and yet this isn’t always the case.

The blogosphere has had some basic fairness rules in place for many years. One is if you take an exclusive story from a blog, you link back. So you’d think that major blogs would follow that, even more so when run by major media companies…but you’d be wrong.

We broke the story this week about the Australian Prime Minister joining Twitter. When I say broke, we were the first news site OR blog to run the story. About 80-90 minutes after our post went up, ZDNet Australia ran the same story with identical talking points. Not out and out plagiarism, but the similarities were very strong. The next outlet to run with it was 2 hours later again. When I put the post up, I’d manually linked to the post on Twitter because I thought it might be of interest as well.

I don’t begrudge the fact that ZDNet lifted the story at all, or even basically copied the talking points with a slight re-write. But I do take great umbrage with the fact that they didn’t attribute it. I Twittered my disgust on Tuesday, and thought really nothing more about it until today, when I receive a tweet from ZDNet News Editor Renai LeMay asking for details. I sent him my concerns, and this is the response I got.

Firstly let me say that I completely understand your concerns. Thanks for your email, and I hope everything is well at the Inquisitr.

I respect what the Inquisitr is doing as an independent Australian media organisation, and what you are personally doing as a leading light of new media internationally and in this country.

The article you were referring to was written by Alex Serpo, one of our in-house journalists, and edited by myself.

Firstly, let me say that I think this email exchange illustrates the fact that there are different points of view on this sort of issue from different media organisations.

When a story breaks elsewhere, that ZDNet.com.au wants to have on its site, we attempt to find primary sources (eg, a press release, or calling people up for info), and write our own article.

We don’t usually refer to or use material from other media organisations as we have no way to verify whether their information is correct (and they may have left something out).

Given we are part of CBS, and our articles are re-published worldwide, for us to take any other approach would be inappropriate.

We don’t generally link back to whoever has broken a story first. I am aware that this is a standard technique in the blogosphere, but we don’t follow it here as per current editorial guidelines.

The bolding is mine, but it’s the key line. We also WERE the primary source.

And then he takes the cowards defense after all but fessing up to the fact they’d lifted the story. I’d note at this point that 2 hours after they posted, news.com.au in their article noted that they were unable to confirm the story with the Prime Ministers office or ANY OTHER PLACE; so ZDNet magically got a better source than Australia’s largest media organization? The story wasn’t on either the KevinPM site or the official PM site, there was no press release, nothing at the time (I did my homework…indeed, I’d sat on the story for nearly an hour trying to confirm it). The only thing confirming at the time was a link to the Twitter account from the KevinPM site. Also I’d note, the talking points they ran were nearly IDENTICAL to our post. I don’t believe in coincidences, at least not this many.

In this specific case, that story broke simultaneously in a number of different ways — on the Inquisitr, on Rudd’s own site, people messaging us to let us know, etc. With this in mind, we went back to primary sources (Rudd and Turnbull’s own pages, and our own kn) and wrote our own story.

Most of all I’m disappointed by LeMay; he was a great journalist at the Financial Review, but anything he learned in journalism school has been replaced by him doing his employers bidding. This idea that your don’t source stories in rubbish; mainstream media sites reference stories day in, day out, in both articles and blogs, and give me 2 hours and I could probably find thousands of examples in the mainstream media of them doing so; at the least saying where it came from without a link, with best practice with the link.

ZDNet, at least in Australia, is morally bankrupt. If what LeMay says is true of the whole organization, then the entire company is.



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  • ZDNet was also the major perpretator of all the Twitterater rumors yesterday, which could have been diffused with basic journalism. I guess we should be pleased they responded to you at all?
  • samuelwells
    I never have liked zdnet, because i have noticed similar occurances in the past, and this just puts me off them even more.
  • Wouldn't it make sense, if that's their rule, to call up the writer or you Duncan and say "hey, wanna be my source? give me some quotes." I mean, if it has to be sourced, why not go that route?
  • This isn't the first time you've been the "breaking source" and I know it won't be the last. Faithful readers will continue to rely on you to get the info out first. When you do finally get the credit you deserve, we will celebrate with you. Keep the passion burning.
  • thx Nicefish.
    I don't break or get as many exclusives as I did in the TC days, but I still try, which is in part why I guess is when I do land one, I'm doubly pissed that bottom feeders like these guys rip without credit
  • They are a part of CBS? You'd think cbs would have better internal guidlines wouldnt ya?
  • I'm guessing that their internal guideline is "don't link to anyone but our own internal articles." I just checked out a random story and it had five internal links - no source, no external validation, no love to the commenters crowd-sourcing their discussion (registration required and again, no links)...Of course, you have to get past the full-screen framed ad to get that far in.

    Its like they don't want to be a blog yet enjoy the benefits of it. Well, simple enough for me, I just won't link out to them or bookmark them or participate in their debate (not like I ever did)
  • I think Crikey.com.au suffered from this for a long time until they got established. I now see Crikey getting quoted often now on media websites. Not that you don't have the credibility, but it takes time to build. The growth of Inquistr since its launch, I think you are on your way there.
  • Huh I can smell a boycott coming along. Watch their traffic dwindle! I'm boycotting ZDNet and will not use their site

    If I come across a pesky TinyURL linking to them I'll skim the article and then go look for the original source since any of their 'breaking news' stuff isn't really that good. In fact I can't even remember them being first in any news of the few minutes that I've used their site in the past 5 years.

    When I went to ZDNet recently I could help but notice their site is full of redundant Micro$oft crap and bias anyways.
  • same thing I got from CNET (zdnet's parent) when I asked about links - they are more than happy to provide 400 links in a story to other CNET sources but rarely (if never) outside. of course we can say the same thing for lots of top tech blogs as well.
  • andyr
    "We also WERE the primary source."

    Wouldn't Kevin Rudd's Twitter profile have been the primary source? I understand that linking is often an issue, but I wouldn't have called this story an "exclusive" just because you got it up first.
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