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Salvation Army Official: Gays Deserve Death

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Major Andrew Craibe, media relations manager for on of the Australian branches of the Salvation Army reminded the world that the belief of the Salvation Army is that gays should be put to death. It is easy to cnfuse his statements with that of the Taliban or the Westboro Baptist Church, but this is the Salvation Army and this is what he said.

In speaking with Serena Ryan and Pete Dillon on their Salt and Pepperradio show the subject of gay rights came up and Craibe had this to say:

Ryan: According to the Salvation Army, [gay people] deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?

Craibe: Well, that’s a part of our belief system.

Ryan: So we should die.

Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.

The doctrine they’re referring to is, as Queerty’s Dan Avery reports, the Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, which borrows heavily from Romans 1:18-32 and states:

For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. . .

They know God’s decree, that those who practise such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practise them.

Until he had this interview Craibe had gone relatively unnoticed in the media world. now that he has come out an a genuine hater, it is difficult to imagine how people are going to feel comfortable giving their money to the Salvation Army at this point.

The national Salvation Army has distanced themselves form Craibe’s remarks with Major Bruce Harmer saying:

Craibe’s comments were “extremely regrettable” and Salvation Army members did “not believe, and would never endorse, a view that homosexual activity should result in any form of physical punishment.” Harmer goes on to apologize, citing a misunderstanding of the “death” passage (he says the passage refers to “spiritual death” and not physical death):

The Salvation Army believes in the sanctity of all human life and believes it would be inconsistent with Christian teaching to call for anyone to be put to death. We consider every person to be of infinite value, and each life a gift from God to be cherished, nurtured and preserved.

Craibe’s comments reflect a general position within the Salvation Army of belittling homosexuals and using the Bible to justify their exclusion from society.

The Salvation Army’s “Position Statement” on homosexuality, found on its Web site, reads in part:

“The Salvation Army does not consider same-sex orientation blameworthy in itself. Homosexual conduct, like heterosexual conduct, requires individual responsibility and must be guided by the light of scriptural teaching. Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex. The Salvation Army believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of life.”

Since the controversy erupted the page referred to above has been deleted but the comments will probably affect the Salvation Army for quite some time.

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26 Responses to “Salvation Army Official: Gays Deserve Death”

  1. Charles Capo

    Scripture is *crystal* clear on this point. Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

  2. John Smuch

    Charles…read the entire passage…Leviticus( as well as Romans,) is about same sex relations while worshipping false idols in temples, and in that respect it is forbidden. It was written as a guide for temple priests on how to behave…don't forget there was a huge war on quelling paganism, and pagan customs had sexual fertility rites. Glad I could polish your crystal for you. Now it's clear.

  3. Chuck Lawton

    John Smuch, it sounds like you are twisting the scriptures thwrw to fit an agenda??

  4. Jeffrey Scott

    That's what the dessert people said U idiot… Love the "cafeteria" religious freaks… God hasn't talked to anyone since the apple fiasco according to your bible… As far as a towel head king is concerned they are dead now and was most likely stoned or nailed to a cross… I take that back, most kings' heads were removed and delivered to the conquering king…

    Go back to your sandbox…

  5. John Smuch

    Chuck Lawton…or are you twisting your agenda to fit the scriptures?

  6. Neil Klein

    Charles, your living in the stone ages. Leviticus also says you cannot eat shellfish nor wear clothing of blended fabric. I am sure you don't observe those laws. The bible, was written by man and man made god in his own image. No matter what you say about your mythology, you are a hateful, bigotted moron. keep your faith; I don't want any of that hateful garbage!

  7. Maureen Baker

    I do not beleive in gay marriages let alone the sexual act of gays. I do not feel this is a normal act.
    But I do not believe that they should die. Just don't broadcast something that is not normal. Keep it where.
    it belongs in the closet.

  8. Charles Capo

    Lot of comments here but nothing of relevance because alll the insults in the world will not change the facts , NO PERVERTS IN HEAVEN.

  9. Thomas Dickensheets

    Rom 1:26 forbibs sexual acts between two women, labeling "lesbianism" unnatural, saying that women who do those things "change" the natural for that which is "against nature."

  10. Thomas Dickensheets

    1 Cor 6:9-11 is a warning against the deception that one can live in open rebellion to God's law and still be a Christian headed for heaven. In that passage, sodomites are accurately and plainly called "abusers of themselves with mankind."

  11. Thomas Dickensheets

    Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Test Words. Toebah "…defines something or someone as essentially unique in the sense of being 'dangerous,' 'sinister,' and 'repulsive'…" The Bible tells us that God judges sodomy to be toebah.

  12. Thomas Dickensheets

    Judges 19:22 homosexuals are referred to as "sons of Balial" and in Judges 20:13 they called "children of Belial." The word Belial denotes individuals who are ungodly and wicked. That is exactly how God views those who engage in homosexual acts.

  13. John Smuch

    Thomas…your interpretation is noted…it doesn't mean it is correct. However, people who judge others are also going to Hell. Worry about your own immortal soul…there's not room to worry about others. PS…there are other definitions for toebah and arsenokites.

  14. Anonymous

    Craibes comments or statements, reprehensible as they may seem, were based upon the Bible. But it is not for man to issue the judgement or to punish. His interpretation calling for deathis radical and should be rejected. That will be taken care of in due time by He will judge us all. Harmer's explanation is far more palatable and is likewise Bible based. Many of us will be in for a very rude awakening thinking we are mostly good.

  15. Brian Liepe

    If it means "spiritual death," then why doesn't it say "spiritual death"?

  16. Maureen Baker

    Here we go. "Again this crap hits the news but nothing about Obama and world issues. Get over it and go on with life Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.. I believe it is not a normal act, but I do not think they should die. But keep it to themselfs, no need broadcasting something that is ungodly wrong.

  17. Charles Capo

    Thomas Dickensheets The Salvation army didnt say it God said it in crystal clear language, sodomites should be tried found guilty and executed. no use obfuscating.

  18. Charles Capo

    It clearly says, their blood si upon their own hands. indicating physical death.

  19. Charles Capo

    i oldgeeser more like old fool ''it is not for man to issue the judgement or to punish'' tell it to the cop or the judge next time you get caught running a stop sign. God laid out just law for ancient Israel. Any nation that desires the blessings of God would pattern their laws after it.

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