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Texas Secession Might Have Some Legal Standing [Op-Ed]

Texas Secession Might Have Some Legal Standing In My Opinion

Commentary | The Texas secession movement is gaining steam through a White House petition. A question quite often raised is whether it is even legal for a state, such as Texas, to secede from the Union. I’m not going to consider whether or not Texas, or any other state, should secede from the Union, but I do want to know if they can.

Texas State Representative Charles Perry claims that the truth is Texas cannot legally secede. “It’s not legal contrary to public opinion,” Perry said. “Texas can not secede legally. We gave up that right at the end of the civil war; it was part of becoming the union.”

At first I thought that was the end of the question. I do know the Texas annexation documents don’t authorize Texas the right to secede, which is a reoccurring myth. But then I decided to read the original Supreme Court opinion on Texas v. White written in 1869. The Supreme Court judges of that era wrote that “[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” A quirk comes in at that the Supreme Court also allows for the possibility of state secession “through revolution, or through consent of the States.”

Why the specific phrasing “through the consent of the states?” It turns out this last attempt at Texas secession began at a convention hosted by those supporting the idea that Texas should join the Confederacy. This was not done with the permission of the United States Federal government or other states, and not all of the Texas state government members supported the Texas secession movement.

In fact, according to the Supreme Court opinion, the Texas “governor and secretary of state, refusing to comply, were summarily ejected from office.” The other reason the Texas secession was rejected was because of a legal distinction:

“It is not to be questioned that this court has original jurisdiction of suits by States against citizens of other States, or that the States entitled to invoke this jurisdiction must be States of the Union. But it is equally clear that no such jurisdiction has been conferred upon this court of suits by any other political communities than such States. If, therefore, it is true that the State of Texas was not, at he time of filing this bill, or is not now, one of the United States, we have no jurisdiction of this suit, and it is our duty to dismiss it.”

This is important because they then make a distinction in terms.

“In the Constitution, the term “state” most frequently expresses the combined idea just noticed, of people, territory, and government. A “state,” in the ordinary sense of the Constitution, is a political community of free citizens, occupying a territory of defined boundaries, and organized under a government sanctioned and limited by a written constitution, and established by the consent of the governed. It is the union of such states, under a common constitution, which forms the distinct and greater political unit which that Constitution designates as the United States, and makes of the people and states which compose it one people and one country.”

Thus, “a plain distinction is made between a State and the government of a State,” which was kicked out of the proceedings by Confederacy supporters. Even though Texas senators and representatives were still serving in the Union, “[in]n that year, acting upon the theory that the rights of a State under the Constitution might be renounced, and her obligations thrown off at pleasure, Texas undertook to sever the bond thus formed, and to break up her constitutional relations with the United States.” This means that the convention for Texas secession was called without authority.

The convention decided that an “ordinance should be submitted to the people, for approval or disapproval, on the 23d of February, 1861″ but then they went ahead with the Texas secession anyway. “During the whole of that war, there was no governor, or judge, or any other State officer in Texas who recognized the National authority. Nor was any officer of the United States permitted to exercise any authority whatever under the National government within the limits of the State except under the immediate protection of the National military forces.”

But then the Supreme Court judges give their opinion that when “Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation” since “[t]he Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States.” That seems rather rock solid but then comes the caveat:

“The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.”

In order for this logic to prevail, they claim “Texas was controlled by a government hostile to the United States” and that “Texas continued to be a State, and a State of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred.” Otherwise, the Civil War would “have ceased to be a war for the suppression of rebellion, and must have become a war for conquest and subjugation.”

Thus when Texas attempted to secede during that time it was considered an illegal attempt by rebels within the United States. The Confederate government is not acknowledged as legally existing. When the Civil War ended they contend that no official Texas government was functioning, so it was the duty of the United States to rebuild a republican government in Texas.

It is then stated that the US Federal Congress has the authority to decide these matters: “Under the fourth article of the Constitution, it rests with Congress to decide what government is the established one in a State. For, as the United States guarantee to each State a republican government, Congress must necessarily decide what government is established in the State before it can determine whether it is republican or not.”

A further caveat adds another layer to the complexity of an attempt at a Texas secession: “Nothing in the case before us requires the court to pronounce judgment upon the constitutionality of any particular provision of these acts.” So, technically, it sounds like this legal opinion cannot serve as a precedent for a Texas secession where everyone agrees to the act.

The rest of the opinion focuses on issues, like slavery, primarily relevant to the end of the Civil War and not state secession in general.

So I raise this question: What happens if a legally recognized Texas state government goes before the US Federal Congress and all states pass a bill allowing for Texas to secede from the Union? When the Supreme Court says “consent of the states” I presume they mean all of the states, which requires an unanimous decision. I find this scenario extremely unlikely but, at least in my reading of the Supreme Court opinion, it does seem allowable only in regards to this opinion. I would not be surprised if there is other legal precedent I’m unaware of. Some websites claim there is no law specifically allowing for or forbidding secession.

What do you think about the legality of a Texas secession?

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388 Responses to “Texas Secession Might Have Some Legal Standing [Op-Ed]”

  1. Richard Decker

    Do these people understand that if they do actually leave the Union they will lose the US Border Patrol, the US Postal Service, the Johnson Space Center, every US military installation, their two US senators and their entire US congressional delegation will be unseated and sent home, and finally, EVERY US TAX DOLLAR currently being sent to their state? In addition to all social security and medi-care benefits? As my Arkansas mother used to say, "those folks couldn't pour p**s out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel".

  2. Matt McGee

    Texas is the 15 largest economy in the world. who needs US tax Dollars, guess what if Texas succeeds they no longer send in Federal taxes to the US they would send the taxes to the Texas Federal government. Those Senators and Representatives would stay and represent only Texas, Boarder patrol? Maybe they will actually do what the title suggests. How many companies would flock to Texas if that actually happened. I think Texas would be fine.

  3. Garrett Moe

    Why would a separate country need US senate representation? Texas has the 15th largest economy in the world. You think they might be able to sustain themselves through providing their own services and having their own money? I wonder what having to provide their own boarder security and their own postal service might do to employment rates in Texas(as well as any other services needed to replace feds). Texas is one of the few states who has the resources that might allow it to leave and could function on it's own. Now, should they? I don't think so. But it's an interesting discussion to figure what the financial/economic/cultural impacts would be if it did. I can assure you the US wouldn't be all dandy losing a massive economic state like Texas.

  4. Viv Sullivan

    U.S. dollars will soon not be worth the paper they're written on the federal government is headed to total collapse and every other country knows it who cares about the congressional delegation they will only represent texas inside texas what will you do without texas oil and beef and as my father used to say about stupid yankees ( they ain't got sense enough to get out of a shower of shit)

  5. Alex Alvarez

    People seem to think that "federal money" just magically appears to be given to the states. You know it comes from somewhere, whether its taxes or loans from other countries. If Texans weren't paying Federal taxes, that money would just be kept in the state and not bled to states like California which can't maintain a balanced budget.

  6. Shawn Hicks

    Not only could Texas survive as an independent nation, how many other states would join with Texas? if this were to really happen I doubt they would be alone. As for any military assets inside the borders of Texas or any state that joined them would then become the property of the new government until such time as it were re seized by the united states government. I think people really underestimate how well such a country would do, though many do not believe that people can survive without the oversight of the government which in reality is a lot of why such talk has started. While Obama did secure over 300 electoral votes oit of nearly 121 million votes he only received approximately 52.3 percent of the popular vote. he received nearly 9 million less votes then 4 years before. so while those Obama supporters celebrate realize that you and yours forcing your will on other and infringing on freedom can and possibly will cause another civil war. Do I think that its to that point yet no, I think this is a way for the nearly 20 states total that have filed similar petitions to get the attention of all people in government republican and democrat alike to recognize that the choices made on both sides need to improve.

  7. Andrew Zalenski

    No state needs to secede. What needs to happen is the federal government needs to have less control, and the states more control. – the idea of the smartest founding father and 2nd president of these united states…John Adams.

  8. Walt Bubba Simmons

    Matt McGee It's actually the fifth largest economy in the world, third largest oil producer, largest cattle producer, second largest agricultural producer, largest refining production and the largest gun packing citizenship, so we don't need the lame ass border patrol. We are also practically the only state in the Union with a balanced budget, It's ironic that California, which holds one-fifth of the entire country's electoral votes needed for a victory and the largest population of those so-called wealthy 2 percenters, is entirely broke. Unfortunately, Those blue states that are in such dire financial straits due to union gluttony and blind greed need the enormous tax dollars that you suck from our ass busting pockets like giant leeches. I'll just work harder, so I can continue to pay more than my share as the rest of us here in Texas do…Hook em Horns!!

  9. Kim Ohyalashea Scurry

    Texan* I'm highly against this! Whoever wants to in Texas find a county and live YOUR government YOUR way!

  10. Fred Estill

    Shawn….Sounds like you're a die hard Republican. Everytime a Democrat is elected president Republicans get together (All 25000+ in Texas…Far from the majority of the population) and want secession because they didn't get it their way. It's the old "Our way or no way" story. So just move to another state…preferably country if you're that unhappy. And if you think what you stated about Texas making it on it's own you've been smoking too much pot! Anyone with a 3rd grade education knows NO state can suceed and expect the protection, the assistance with naturally caused disasters etc. What about Social Security benefits these people have earned? If you're not a citizen you can't draw the money. Period!
    I can't believe I'm even turning this rediculous subject into a conversation. It's not going to happen so get a life.

  11. Caleb Nathanael Scott

    Actually sir the petition has 102,206 Signatures and all the money we pay the U.S government would go into the Texas government to provide all the lost services thus keeping a balanced budget.

  12. Sam Mayer

    The State of Some in the State of Texas, et al.

    Their Petition:

    “Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's (sic) citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”.

    Facts:

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry and lawmakers failed to keep their promise not to “kick the can” down the road in 2011, when it came to solving the largest budget shortfall in the state’s history. That’s according to an Associated Press report, which concludes that Perry and the legislature largely balanced the state’s budget through flimsy accounting gimmicks that do nothing to secure Texas’ financial footing.

    Moreover, the Texas Governor likes to tell Washington to stop meddling in state affairs and that he vocally opposed the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus program to spur the economy and assist cash-strapped states. Perry also likes to trumpet that his state balanced its budget in 2009, while keeping billions in its rainy day fund.

    But he couldn't have done that without a lot of help from… guess where? Washington.

    Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    So, even budget deficits are bigger in Texas.

    Texas, which crafts a budget every two years, was facing a $6.6 billion shortfall for its 2010-2011 fiscal years. It plugged nearly that entire deficit with $6.4 billion in Recovery Act money.

    As for standards of living….

    The standard of living in the United States is one of the top 20 in the world. Per capita income is high but also less evenly distributed than in most other developed countries; as a result, the United States fares particularly well in measures of average material well-being and does not place well on equality aspects. That’s sad!

    What’s even sadder is the situation in Texas which rightfully boasts a high standard of living. However, they are in that position due to being a state with one of the lowest costs of living. That results in statistics like these:

    Personal income is the 2nd highest but per capita income is in 31st place. There are a lot of people making money in Texas but not the majority. (For comparison purposes, per capita income for NY is 4th and CA is 7th.) 16% of Texans live in poverty. The wage gap is the 12th highest in the nation for women and even higher for minority workers.

    Texas can also “boast” about being in 41st place on educational spending, 44th place on healthcare spending, and 47th percent of all other spending, like public welfare, police, fire, corrections and highways. The tickler is that Texas is in 2nd place for the highest level of DUIs. That speaks volumes about the many Texans signing a petition to secede from the Union.

    Yes, Texas has a huge economy. But…did you notice how big Texas is? Did you know 50 of the Fortune 500 companies find a home there? It’s not rocket science to see that touting 15th in world economies is a “practically feasible” sly trick. The CEOs and millionaires have it great but the vast majority of Texans suffer. All things considered, I’d opt to live in California which is the 9th largest world economy, or even New York which is just ahead at 14th.

    As for rights and liberties, what is there truthfully to “re-secure”? The original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers and mothers are as much reflected by the federal government today, as in any other time in history, even better. What are the specifics?
    This sweeping statement can only be fathomed by looking back to the last time secession was an issue. Remember slavery and the Civil War?

    Our current federal government, although historically obstructed by greed and partisan politics, is as much the same as it’s been in prior administrations. The scary stuff like individual rights, debt and the demise of Social Security, has been around since their inceptions. The fear has always been there to influence those who can be easily manipulated.

    A timely example is the debt ceiling increases have been a no brainer in any administration prior to Barack Obama’s. There is only one issue that seems to be the crux of the secessionists’ angst. It will be wailed about as being untrue but it is certainly clear. Racism is alive and well in America and our President of the United States is half white and half-African American.

  13. Tina Vazquez

    This may come as a shock to you, but Texas has received far more money than it's sent, especially since 2003 due to natural disasters (you know, that whole FEMA thing everyone's against). As a matter of fact, Texas has received more federal aid for disaster relief than any other state. $380 million in early grants and other aid and $17 Billion in stimulus money. This is indeed a great state, but let's be honest, the reason behind all this secession talk is the re-election of president Obama. Anger, pride, and a bit of humiliation are the primary drivers to sign such an idiotic petition. And I'm not lumping the entire Republican party, or those who didn't vote for Obama into this category, just the signers of the petition as a whiny, selfish act. I know many, many Republicans and others who have seen this whole thing as, for lack of a better word, stupid. I have done my research, and trust me when I tell you, I'd give Texas a month…maybe. This state's constitution and legislature are so screwed up, even our politicians have a rough time understanding it fully. First, Texas would have to be broken up into 5 smaller states…doable given the size, but good luck actually getting it done. Then let the U.S. government employ the border laws so many Texans want to have passed, preventing families and other loved ones from seeing each other…sweet irony. Texas would be a part of Mexico in a year. I'm all for free speech, but (and I say this with the utmost respect), there are other ways, other petitions to get the government's attention rather than dishonouring those who've fought and died for this great country, not Texas, The United States of America, by signing a petition to no longer be associated or a part of it. We all need to unify as a nation, this is doing the exact opposite. We're capable of such beautiful dreams when we come together (moon landing) and such horrible nightmares when we don't (civil war–the cause of more death than almost all other U.S. wars combined.) This is not a personal attack at all, this is my opinion on even the very idea of signing such a petition.

  14. Hans Boateng

    Texas became what it is now because of the US, now it wants to take its riches away lol your usual signs of greed.

  15. James S. Ford

    The North never successfully invaded Texas during the "War of Nothern Agression" in spite of the fact that the vast majority of our fighting men were dispatched to tTennessee and Virginia. Old men, boys, cripples, and sharp shooting Texas women kept our state safe from the blue plague.

  16. Prince Thomas

    look you may not like it but this country is trying to move forward not backwards for one the confederacy even needed help cause the articles of confederation were shitty , , and even then you can move out the country anytime dont like democracy go live in a communist country then , texas is being a bunch of fucking 5 years crying caus ethey cant have it there way , we want to move forward with equality for all people , smh thats one reason that i say the pledge of allegiance is bullshit

  17. Boris Davis

    The blue union states are broke, Texas is booming, perhaps we could go into the British Commonwealth if the United States will no longer trade with us, the far east understands booming economies, someone will trade with us. We could have an industry low tax zone, we will get all types of companies here from the old USA. Folks we will be ok.

  18. John Shaffer

    I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but I think that what the discussion of that Supreme Court ruling actually means when it says that a State has a right to secede "through the consent of the States" actually means that any State, of its own volition and operating as official representatives of their constituency as recognized by the federal government and authorized by that same constituency, may petition for official recognition as a separate government. It's not that any State has to beg for the other States to allow them to leave, its that they have to have a federally recognized State government who has been duly authorized by the constituents of that State to authorize them to formally notify the federal government of the will of the constituents of said State to secede. The petitions on the "We the People" site has no legal weight behind it until the States which have had petitions submitted in their name hold conventions to discuss the specifics of a proposed new government and elections concerning the same, to consider the actual will of the constituents of said States. The petitions are just a way to bring attention to issues, and given the discussion I've seen so far, a lot of attention has been given to the petitions, but not to the issue(s) that induced the petitions to begin with.
    I would like to thank those whom have submitted and supported the various petitions as it will help bring to light the issues that has caused such outrage and consternation. The Rights of the citizenry to petition their government is guaranteed by the First Amendment, as espoused by the site on which the petitions are posted. So we should not lament, begrudge, or punish the citizenry for exercising their Rights. We may question the method in which they've chosen to bring their concerns to light, but you have to admit, it's certainly been effective.
    I'm not sure where I stand on the issue of the rights of any State to secede, but should Texas actually secede from the Union, I believe that their Border Patrol will have a much tougher job with immigration since they will have a lot more border incursions, and I'm not talking about the one with Mexico.

  19. Brian Gilstrap

    For everyone that is against Texas leaving the U.S. why is it a big deal? Does it directly affect you? That would be a no. For the ones that live here in Texas and are against it, umm you know you can move to another state. I'm all for it and signed the petition.

  20. Jeff Hepler

    LOL Texas is number 3 on the debt list, do a little homework.Also Britain will sever ties with the US for Texas for what? Cattle? Why are you even entertaining this non-sense. It's so silly. You got out-voted, plain and simple. Deal with it, it's only 4 more years. Grow up.

  21. John Shaffer

    Fred, I'm still waiting for all those famous actors/actresses who promised to exile themselves to another country when President George W. Bush was elected to follow through on their promise. But that's neither here nor there.
    I'm not a Texan, but the debate caused by their petition to the White House which is a forum to bring issues to a public arena which is protected by the First Amendment, is of national concern.
    Should events progress to an actual Texas National Convention, or other like body being convened, and a public plebiscite being held which supported secession from the United States, I'm sure that being a lawyer in Texas would be a very lucrative job field in the negotiations of the transfer of the benefits earned by citizens whom have Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid/etc. benefits from whatever funds which are probably already bankrupt from federal custodianship to custodianship of whatever body the seceding State(s) designate to continue the benefits. It would just be another form of debt that the United States already owes to foreign governments. As for the military bases and hardware, the National Guard of each State owns the hardware and bases under their control. The military hardware on Federal military bases would need to be returned, but Democrats have traditionally always tried to divest the country of military bases so that they could use the funds for more liberal purposes. Texas would be doing the Democrats a big favor by taking over the maintenance of those military bases. I agree that seceding from the Union would sever immediate aid for natural disasters by FEMA, but how would that stop the federal aid that the United States automatically offers to foreign governments today when natural disasters happen?
    All of this is beside the point, in my opinion. Can we get to the issues which prompted the petitions? Can we discuss those issues in the serious and deliberate way they deserve? Without insults and name-calling, if at all possible?

  22. Terry Moskowitz

    Fred Estill your the imbecile fred,you quote help in natural disasters (which texas has low liability of),and katrina and sandy were handled terribly anyways,…you mention social security,which under federal management is scheduled to go bankrupt in 11 years,…..who's got a third grade education and needs to get a life?….you fred you!

  23. Chris Mills

    Every dollar Texas sends to the US government only returns .33 cents back to the state. The arguement about federal funding is rediculous. As stated before, we lead the country in energy production, oil production, and IT development. We have the Gulf as a means of easy transportation, and could easy lower tax tarriffs with latin America allowing even more trade.
    As for defense: Texas Army National Gaurd, Texas Air National Gaurd, Texas Coast Gaurd, & Texas Rangers.
    As for the "economy of Texas": Lets say it was only 30th in the world, that is still substantial and more than sustainable. However, after Texas ranks in the top 15 largest economy.

  24. Chris Mills

    Actually, Texas recieves only .33 cents for every dollar it sends to the Federal Government. Wonder what we could do with the other .67 cents?

  25. Peter J. Richards

    A very interesting summary and question. It poses the strategy therefore, that if the remaining 49 states would be better off w/o Texas then why not let Texas secede? There's some data around that says for every $1 collected in revenue Tx gets back $1.51c. The Unionists say that's the reason for Tx to stay. It could be countered – that's the reason for Tx to go. hmm!

  26. Peter J. Richards

    a lot of States would join Tx. And therein is the rub. The food source for liberal agendas is gone.

  27. Peter J. Richards

    by "they" you mean the self serving food sucking liberals from decent hard working people of course. Bravo to you Sire for that conclusion.

  28. Joel Pirard

    I have received your petition to secede from the United States and have forwarded it to Congress who will act on it with their usual speed.

  29. Joel Pirard

    right because you NEVER take federal money for anything in TEXAS right? FOOL?

  30. Joel Pirard

    the blue plague. HEY ASSHAT it's 2012 you lost get over yourself DICK

  31. Peter J. Richards

    I can think of at least 7 other States that would join. Let it begin.

  32. Hank Williams

    Richard, as far as the Social Security and Medicare, one does not need to live in the US or even be an American citizen to receive the benefits they have already paid for. (My neighbor's father and mother retired to Mexico and receive full benefits.)

    About the only thing they would actually "lose" would be the Johnson Space Center, until Texas began its own space-program. The other formerly-US facilities would be used by Texans for the same Republic of Texas purposes.

  33. Peter J. Richards

    if you're tired of hearing Tx whine or you want Tx to secede – I agree – please sign the petition.

  34. Peter J. Richards

    .. you're quite right Sire. The self serving hippo-critic luberals will not survive long w/o their food source.

  35. Rick Cantu

    stop me when I lie but doesn't it say in the pledge of allegiance and I quote, " and to the Republic for which it stands ".

  36. Anonymous

    Texas subsidize the existence of california, Nevada , new mexico and other backcrupt states, whose hispanic and black citizens voted Obama. If Texas secedes, Texas will keep its own money and they will be fine and richer than the USA.

  37. Patrick Frye

    I had an odd thought after writing this. Let's say the Federal debt crisis gets really out of control and no one wants to shoulder the responsibility. What happens if all the other states secede from Washington DC? Never going to happen, but it's interesting to think about such oddball scenarios.

  38. Karry Mounts James

    Meanwhile, Texas STOPS sending money to the federal gov to waste. I think Texas would be fine

  39. Chris Nakedman Kornaus

    Actually Texas would do just fine due to their large militia…but they would lose money in import taxes for food and supplies not grown and/or manufactured in Texas. Hmm… Go state rights!

  40. Aileron Lance Mills

    There is nothing stopping Texas from leaving the US except unbelief, TX can do it just like any other country, it doesnt need anyones approval except Texans who want it, Texas is a repression proof state which has been bled for too long of its Integrity and resources supporting the rest of the nation. let the Cowboys ride and farmers thrive!! Farming has always been more powerful than the oil Industry just many do not want anyone to know.

  41. Brandon Giurgiu

    I'm all for Texas seceding. America is just not what it was anymore. These liberals are swrewing everything up. I bet you anything that our fonding fathers would not agree with them. In fact they would be shocked…abortion, gay support, electing a MUSLIM president who doesn't even salute the flag!!! And people are calling Texas a conservative state traitors. Every one who voted for Obama in my opinion are the traitors.

  42. Shawn Hicks

    well as of a few days ago there were petitions from every state wishing to secede from the union, however only 32 of those have picked up enough momentum to possibly see the presidents desk, which of course he will deny secession. While i dont think any actual secessions will actually take place if say Texas did actually secede then how many of those 31 other states would follow and join with them? I guess thats the scary part, because i promise you lots of people thought that the south would never secede back in the day, and regardless of the outcome it was still a war, in American citizens back yards. How would this war look today? Regardless of what "side" you are on think about that. Obama only took about a 2.6% lead in the popular vote, and thats before the absentee military vote was counted. So you have about half the country that support him and half that dont. Both sides need to reevaluate whats really best for the country and its citizens, and being stubborn and having to have their way aint cutting it, and im talking about both sides of the aisle.

  43. Mark Brown

    If texas leaves they keep their money their oil and gas. For every dollar they send the government they get 80 crnts back so if we kept the dollar we would be making 20 cents. The u.s. needs texas alot more than texas needs the u.s. we have everything we need here to survive and to prosper. Are you liberals so stuck on obamas teet that you think we need him and his bad ideas to survive …..lol yall have no clue

  44. Mark Brown

    Plus we have fort hood the largest millitary base around so we will be just fine esoecially with the texas guard and texas rangers around

  45. Thomas J. Kolba

    Let Texas go. Perhaps Mexico will then decide to reclaim its former territory and the US would not need to be bothered protecting it. I agree. Don't mess with Texas. Let it go!

  46. Pamela Garcia Williams

    If you care to read the constitution, it expresses "the right to alter or abolish" any form of government that has become destructive to its own ends. I believe that time is here. It is here regardless of a democrat or republican in the oval office.

  47. Judy Rae Jackson

    Texas also has one of the highest welfare rates in the country, one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the country, one of the lowest high school & college graduation rates in the country. The state highway system has been under construction or repair for decades & none of it has ever been completed. There are good medical facilities here, most of them aren't staffed by Texans any more. The budget is balanced because education funding has been cut to the bare bone (see high school graduation rate). Texas has a lot of undereducated, minimum wage workers right now. The promise of great jobs has brought a lot of people to Texas, the problem is that those so called great jobs are minimum wage, no benefits. The homeless population is growing in every big city because people can't afford to rent an apartment. The mass transit is nothing to brag about so IF you re coming to Texas for one of those great minimum wage jobs, be sure to have a car. Texas isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. Grow up & deal with it.

  48. Chuck L Miller

    If Texas were to secede from the union they would see an influx of people like you couldn't believe, people wanting to get away from the Feds.

  49. Shane Schneider

    Hey Houston Texans, you are welcome to move your team to L.A. if this happens. Dallas Cowboys….you stay put and disolve from the NFL, please…..lol! Seriously though, it will be interesting to see how Texas handles Mexico. Two things will happen: 1st the Texans will have a law that illegal border crossers will be shot on sight. No Liberal BS to stop them either. 2nd, Mexico has too many people and will overflow Texas in a fairly short time and take it over. Bad idea, Texas.

  50. Grant Williams

    I say let them go and when they come crawling back in 10 years after they economy and borders collapse. I say to them Good day Sir, I said good day.

  51. Jamie Edwards

    Let it go. Charge them a an import export tax and when Mexico invades we stay out of it. Oh and make them get passports to get back in the USA.

  52. Scott Larson

    according to the most recent stats i could find (2004) Texas gets .94 dollars for every dollar in taxes they send. California gets .81. New Jersey and Nevada get the least at .65 and .61. New Mexico and Mississippi get the most. Over $2 FOR EVERY DOLLAR. Red states are generally subsidized by Blue states, In fact 3 of the 4 red states in 2004 losing money to blue states (colorado, Florida, Texas, nevada) are now Blue states themselves. Only Texas stayed red.

  53. Tommy Lee

    @ Richard and your point is? That Texas don't need ay of the mentioned you stated.Your point is mute and our government these days couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel.We don't need the U.S. Border Patrol because we would have real patriots guarding our border and keeping ALL wetbacks and left wing liberals out of the Texas Republic!!!!

  54. Anonymous

    I have an idea. Let's allow the great state of Texas to secede. So that when oil prices go down again that their booming economy goes bust again like in the 1980's. Then those people who live in their doublewides will have to downsize to a singlewide.

    Texas PROUD to be #37 in the nation in education! And look out Alabama and Mississippi we're coming after you!

    WooHooh Git 'er done! Idiot rednecks!

  55. Shane Schneider

    Hahahahaha! You know I love you man!!! I'm a Raiders fan and absorb cheap shots all the time…lol.

  56. Vicki Couch Sayre

    It is illegal for a state to suceed from the union. This was the basis for the civil war. It didn't work out to well for the states who have previously tried. It would , however, bring the troops back home.

  57. Matthew Pike

    "those folks couldn't pour p**s out of a boot if the directions were written on the heel" haha i laughed audibly at work. well done

  58. Tommy Lee

    Fred Estill ur the idiot no where does it say a state can't secede from the U.S. I know democrats and republicans alike that have signed these petitions and yes other states would join the Texas Republic.You don't get it this is more of a voice of outrage at the way this goddamn government has ran this country. We are sick and tired of greedy politicians that have forgotten who the hell they are really suppose to be working for!!!!This whole thing is part of the 1st Amendment it's called the FREEDOM of SPEECH!!!!!!!

  59. Scott Larson

    Shawn. According to the Federal Election Commission Obama got 49.6 million votes in 2008. He's at 61 million unofficially and they havent finished counting yet.that's 11 million more, not 9 million less.

  60. Scott Larson

    it would be fine untill the US imposed a 200% import duty. Then they'd go bankrupt and beg to come back.

  61. Scott Larson

    Hey, I'm for it. i'd never have to worry about a republican in the white house again

  62. Anonymous

    Wow Fred…you tell him to move or go to another country…and your location is The Woodlands…hmmm Funny you live in a community that wants to secede from the rest of greater Houston…and how does it feel to be a minority over there anyway??

  63. Anonymous

    If Texas really wanted to do something they would split into 5 states from the one that they are to be able to better control their votes. The agreement for Texas to split into 5 states was part of what the U.S. agreed to in 1845 when Texas went from being the country of Texas to the state of Texas.

  64. Anonymous

    President Obama is one of 7 presidents in history to get elected with over 50% of the vote both terms. The last modern president to do this was Reagan. People get over yourselves. He won and everyone does always agree but they love the process and the country. This place has turn into hate and lies.

  65. Ken Asplund

    It's not just Texans….I live in Washington State and would move there in a minute…..I signed the petition..I know it won't happen but we can send a message to Hussein that there are a lot of people not happy with him

  66. Steven Shewfelt

    Texans don't have the brain power to truly govern themselves just like any other southern state, oil and brokeback cowboys…and a state combined IQ of maybe 90…enough said.

  67. Anonymous

    Ok Rich…Border Patrol?? have not noticed it…we can fix that…Space center?? Obama has killed space program…postal service??? on the way out….sir all of the things you have mentioned we already lost…why do you think people are mad…comon

  68. Vivian Wright

    Dear One Stop,

    Not everybody in Texas is a nut; however, we do seem to have more than our fair share of them. Please remember that there are a lot of folks in Texas, both Democrat and Republican, that are proud to be part of the United States of America. Seceeding from the Union is just as ludicrous to us as it is to you.

  69. Bruce Shiney

    Scott Larson – 2004 is a long, long time ago. CA now has 1/3 of all welfare cases. CA has the highest poverty rate in the country in the latest census.

  70. Kerrie Douglas Shaffer

    Oh heck. If Texans don't wish to be part of America, then let them go. Others will follow. They can try to stand on their own – that should be quite a challenge. They could elect GW Bush as their president and go to war with Iran, or try to take over the Iraqi oil fields. Of course we know what that leads to don't we. Financial failure. Good luck, Texans. We wish you the best. Don't come back.

  71. George Mares

    To; Fred Estile, below…remember the original 13 Colonies? They made it because they were tired of the Bull$#(%, you MORON!

  72. Tommy Lee

    Prince Thomas are you for real do you honestly think it would only be one state think again!!!!There are alot pissed off people that are sick and tired of supporting lazy ass democrats that don't realize what is the real deal here!!!! And the entire world you are smoking crack there would not be another country that would want to take sides in what was bound to happen inside The United States!!! The stupidity of the American people to vote for a man only because of his skin color is ignorant!!! We are our own enemy you can thank your president for the deeper divide in this country!!!

  73. Tommy Lee

    Prince Thomas are you for real do you honestly think it would only be one state think again!!!!There are alot pissed off people that are sick and tired of supporting lazy ass democrats that don't realize what is the real deal here!!!! And the entire world you are smoking crack there would not be another country that would want to take sides in what was bound to happen inside The United States!!! The stupidity of the American people to vote for a man only because of his skin color is ignorant!!! We are our own enemy you can thank your president for the deeper divide in this country!!!

  74. Neil Goro

    Shawn, your incorrect about your assertions that constitutional freedoms have been infringed upon. According to the article 3 of the constitution, a person must have standing to challenge a law. Standing is conferred if that person has suffered an injury-in-fact, not a speculative injury. Not the possibility of a future injury. Not even the potential for future injury. Thus, unless you or any of the mindless Americans who believe the "libertarians" and a 77 year old physician who happens to know fairly little about constitutional law, y'all have not had your constitutional freedoms infringed upon–and that is according to the constitution and constitutional law.

  75. Neil Goro

    Shawn, your incorrect about your assertions that constitutional freedoms have been infringed upon. According to the article 3 of the constitution, a person must have standing to challenge a law. Standing is conferred if that person has suffered an injury-in-fact, not a speculative injury. Not the possibility of a future injury. Not even the potential for future injury. Thus, unless you or any of the mindless Americans who believe the "libertarians" and a 77 year old physician who happens to know fairly little about constitutional law, y'all have not had your constitutional freedoms infringed upon–and that is according to the constitution and constitutional law.

  76. Lynn Boughner

    George Rogers yeah we pay out, I am going broke living in the democrat run hell hole. If the state was not the most beautiful in terms of mountains and beaches, I would be long gone. And now after we get hit with new tax increases, they are projecting a budget surplus in 2014! WTF??

  77. Mike Hager

    There are a couple of things you're missing. First, you're simply wrong about the popular vote count. It was 62,884,418 for Obama out of 124,245,925 cast. That's a total of 50.61 . You are both underestimating the actual vote count and over estimating the total for Obama. The fact still remains, he won.

    So you didn't get the president you wanted and now you want to secede? Interesting. First, putting aside the law and assuming arguendo a state can secede, this new nation would have NO claim on the military assets of the United States and they would have to be immediatley handed over. Then we must consider infrastructure. What would be a fair sum to repay the US for the roads and bridges in Texas? I don't know, but certainly quite a lot. What about the improvements to ports? What about the non-moveable military assets, such as land and buildings? There are a whole list of things that the brand new nation of Texas would have to qwrite a mighty big check for.

    Would all the citizens loyal to the nation of their birth be allowed to leave? Lets say that a quarter of the population wanted to contonue to live in the US. That's a lot of property Texas would have to compensate it's owners for. Of course, they could just say that if you leave, you leave your property and tough luck on you… but that wouldn't be right, would it? That would constitute the majority infringing on the freedom of the minority. See the irony there?

    You are demonstrating the ignorance and short-sightedness of the neocon. You don't even come close to thinking about the real ramifications of the things you suggest. My list is a short one, clearly incomplete, of the problems the new nation of Texas would face, and these alone are insurmonutable.

    All this is foolishness of course. Texas will not secede from the union. It is only a small fraction of even that conservative state's population that is so deeply interested in having their way and only their way that they would even consider for a moment the idea. You are the lunatic fringe, Shawn. a

  78. Jack Olthoff

    Scott Larson I think you better get you an accurate source..Texas gets .17 per dolllar unlike California which gets .75-.81 cents per dollar

  79. Mark Sullivan

    These posts are too funny. America does need to mix it up.. It would be pretty exciting! I'm sure like true American fashion.. Once Texas started mouthing off like they already do now, America would just Deebo there resources anyways.. And then they could cry to Mexico.

  80. Jack Olthoff

    George Rogers you on crack or something Texas gets less than a 1/4 of every dollar and California get 3/4 of a dollar for every dollar they send…a great difference..but am sure you probably educated in the california cesspool called education

  81. Jack Olthoff

    Shawn…Texas' economy alone woould rank it 15th in bhe entire world

  82. Jack Olthoff

    Richard you probably like hanging on federal teet, but some of us prefer our money stay in our state for benefit of citizens

  83. Anonymous

    Fred Estill I am not a Republican or a Democrat and the two party system along with the main stream media that supports it are a major reason we are in the sorry shape we are both financially and military. Government has become too big and the people in the offices they are elected too have become more self important than the job they were elected to do. Maybe it will take something as drastic as a state seceding before it really hits home with everyone.

  84. Mike Hager

    You are short-sighted and foolish. Would this government you propose allow those who are patriotic towards the land of their birth leave? What of their unmovable property? Would they be compensated for it or would Texas simply steal it? What of military and federal facilities and lands? Would Texas fairly compensate the US for it or, again, would they simply try to take it? What about all the infrastructure that would never have been built had the US federal government had acted?

    Texas would have a damn big check to write as the first function of government, unless it was made entirely up of money grubbing hypocrites… oh wait. Right..

  85. Jillian Michelle Gonzales

    Alright. I am young. I am free. I am Texan. I am American. I will cry if this happens. So if this does happen, I'm movin' to New York!

  86. Tommy Lee

    drec11 yep 3% actually work the other 47% are just too damn greedy that think this government owes them something!!!I bet you fall within that 47%…….Get your money the old fashion way it's called WORK!!!l

  87. Peter Carpenter

    A nation of Texas would be a dream. I and thousands of others would happily turn in our passports and relocate there. Truth is, most of us don't care what goes on in New York or California.

  88. Louise Bigbee

    Hans Boateng Texas is what it is because of the hard working people of Texas,

  89. Jim Rawson

    Prince Thomas (History shows that this tremendous equality began to disappear with the advent of the industrial revolution and continues today as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The middle class is disappearing as income and, more importantly, wealth inequality continues to increase. As a result, most of us have much less power now. So we resort to banding together into interest groups to increase our collective power and these interest groups compete with one another in the political arena. This is a pluralistic approach to controlling politics).

    . But then again, the groups who opposed it behind the scenes are pretty powerful and highly determined to fight to the death.

    Please remember you are right only one state, but what you forget is one state banded together can be more powerfull than a country. Can you imagine if the whole U.S. was together…regardless of political views… protect yourself from the Tyranny of Government.

    "Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!"

    “When the people fear the government, that's tyranny; when the government fears the people, that's freedom.”

    Sorry I went on and on…maybe you will read.

  90. Louise Bigbee

    Have you for gotten Texas was won from Mexico long before it became part of the union,

  91. Kyle Phillips

    Fred whether it happens or not is not the point here. The point is, is that liberal Democrats as yourself are tearing apart the very fabric of this nation. I didn't serve in the military for the United States to see it handed over to a bunch of Communistic thinking butt plugs. Obama and people such as yourself that elected and then re-elected this jerk are damning us for a world of hurt. He's blowing smoke up your butt and your smiling while he does it. I don't know where you come up with your line of thinking because no one here (at least not at the point that it's at now) mentioned anything about a Texas secession after the last election. But, as it is apparent now that Obama is an incompetent bafoon and is wanting to just turn the country over to the Mexican's so he can insure their vote. Hell yeah we're talking about secession now. I'm not a fanatic, but I do love my country and I love my state. I don't smoke pot but I am pissed as hell. Just because you are a liberal supporter and you don't like what Shawn had to say, you have to come off sounding just like Obama with his little one line zingers sounding exactly like a 3rd grader. So, the woman that started this petition needed 25,000 votes within 30 days. She got 3 times that amount in just 3 days and it's still climbing. Just because Obama won the election, that doesn't mean that the majority of American's feel the same way he does. He through that B.S Illegal Amnesty out there just to solidify that vote, and half those yo-yo's didn't even know what they voted for. All they knew was there was someone in office stupid enough to let them stay without fear of being deported. As much as I hate to say it, Texas most likely will not suceed from the Union, and I can live with that. But, I am glad to see that some people in this country are finally getting the nerve to stand up and show that they are tired of this crap.

  92. Margo S Flay

    Why is everyone so down on just Texas?!?! If you take a look at the petition site, there are 40, I repeat 40 states that want secession. A lot of you folks fussing about it, if you take a look, your state prolly filed too. Just sayin"…

    Here they are : Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida, Kentucky, Georgia, California, Mississippi, Indiana, Montana, Idaho, Rhode Island, Iowa, New Hampshire, Illinois, Minnesota, Maine, New Jersey, Colorado, Alaska, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Washington, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Vermont, Kansas, New York, Utah, and South Carolina.

  93. Margo S Flay

    Why is everyone so down on just Texas?!?! If you take a look at the petition site, there are 40, I repeat 40, states that want secession. A lot of you folks fussing about it, if you take a look, your state filed too. Just sayin"…

    Here they are : Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida, Kentucky, Georgia, California, Mississippi, Indiana, Montana, Idaho, Rhode Island, Iowa, New Hampshire, Illinois, Minnesota, Maine, New Jersey, Colorado, Alaska, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Washington, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Vermont, Kansas, New York, Utah, and South Carolina.

  94. Margo S Flay

    Why is everyone so down on just Texas? If you take a look at the petition site, there are 40, I repeat 40, states that want secession. A lot of you folks fussing about it, if you take a look, your state filed too. Just sayin"…

    Here they are : Wyoming, Louisiana, Alabama, North Carolina, Ohio, West Virginia, Florida, Kentucky, Georgia, California, Mississippi, Indiana, Montana, Idaho, Rhode Island, Iowa, New Hampshire, Illinois, Minnesota, Maine, New Jersey, Colorado, Alaska, Tennessee, Missouri, Arkansas, Virginia, Oklahoma, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Washington, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Vermont, Kansas, New York, Utah, and South Carolina.

  95. Tony Sloane

    know your history! This will never happen when texas was an independent place it was mired in debt and begged to be part of the union; so much so they gave up some land just to get in. The people talking about this are just saber-rattaling and are angry they have to eat Obama flavored crow.

  96. Scott Larson

    I find it hilarious that Auston wants to secede from Texas and remain part of the U.S.

  97. Scott Larson

    I think you meant reccession proof cause it sure as hell aint repression proof.

  98. Jessica Ann

    I really belive that they should not be able to do this. The Lone star state is boarded by Mexico I that being said there are 2 of the top 10 most dangrous cities in Mexico the drug cartales would take over Texas if they let this happen then there goes the rest of the world, I live in El Paso and am a wife of an army man, I cant even get a job here unless I know spanish, I firmly belive that with that may people signing one paper that most of them are immigrents that should not even be let alone be able to sign the paper in the first place. They should check the signiture and unless you are a citizen born in the U.S.A and not a naturalization that is the only peoples vote they should take.

  99. Adrian Mathias Crawford

    John Adams was a Federalist and acted to give the federal government more power, whereas Thomas Jefferson was in favor of a less centralized government.

  100. Adrian Mathias Crawford

    Are you also in favor of Austin seceding from Texas if they want to and remaining with the USA?

  101. Gary Martin

    California has well over a million welfare recipients — most of any state by far. We pay more in taxes than we get back, which is saying we pay in a lot of taxes to the kitty.

  102. Gary Martin

    The only way to bust the Union short of revolution is by constitutional convention. A convention can be called on application of the state legislatures. Any change to the Union composition would have to be approved by 3/4 of the state legislatures pursuant to the Consitution. End of story.

  103. Debra Pope

    hopefully the public will stop worrying about throwing away their vote if they vote Libertarian. It is the media owned by their advertisers who tell the public who to vote for. Demand representation of the people and always vote Libertarian whenever you get the chance. Dems and Reps are all the same (criminals) so we should never vote for them anyway! Stop being brainwashed by the media and do your own research!

  104. Roger Keith

    Why not, every other country in the world gets assistance from the American government, so why would that change,,,,,,,

  105. Chris LaVallee

    @ Walt Bubba Simmons – You are wrong on so many accounts! First off, it would be the 15th biggest economy, not fifth.

    "third largest oil producer" – maybe in America, but not the world! Alaska alone produces more oil than Texas, and I think some countries in the Mid East might find faults in your argument also.

    "largest cattle producer" – both Brazil and China don't agree with you, because they each produce more cattle

    "second largest agricultural producer" – That's just plain laughable! Let me see – Canada, China, Russia, too many countries to list. I can hardly believe that you believe that and then typed it out for the world to see!

    "largest refining production" – Once again, I think Saudi Arabia and a few other countries in that area would disagree

    You are so completely wrong in your post. But that doesn't surprise me, coming from someone who lives in the state that perverts their history books to further their agenda!

  106. Scott Sinisi

    @ Mike- there's precedent for this kind of situation. With respect to military bases and equipment, simply follow the example of Ukraine when it split from the Soviet Union. It got to keep half of the Soviet military equipment on its soil at the time of secession, half of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet, and half of the Soviet nukes that had been deployed on its soil. With regards to infrastructure, I'm fairly sure the roads that connect us to Canada and Mexico are no different on either side of the border.
    Citizens that wanted to leave and go to another state would be allowed to. Depending on whether the secession was peaceful or violent and how those citizens behaved during it, compensation would be determined accordingly.

  107. Scott Sinisi

    @ Mike- there's precedent for this kind of situation. With respect to military bases and equipment, simply follow the example of Ukraine when it split from the Soviet Union. It got to keep half of the Soviet military equipment on its soil at the time of secession, half of the Soviet Black Sea Fleet, and half of the Soviet nukes that had been deployed on its soil. With regards to infrastructure, I'm fairly sure the roads that connect us to Canada and Mexico are no different on either side of the border.
    Citizens that wanted to leave and go to another state would be allowed to. Depending on whether the secession was peaceful or violent and how those citizens behaved during it, compensation would be determined accordingly.

  108. Chris LaVallee

    @ Chris Mills – You stated that Texas "lead(s) the country in energy production, oil production, and IT development". As far as energy and oil production goes, Alaska does not agree with you. Alaska says that they produce much more oil and energy than Texas does (and ever has).
    As for IT, you may be right…that's kind of a subjective matter, but Californians probably disagree with you.

  109. Robert Singer

    Pull out all federal offices, close all military bases, no more federal highway money, no federal money at all. Texas gets more federal aid than they give in money. Put the fence around TExas, revoke all US passports. No more satellites for communication, tv or radio. No banking protection, no retirements. No EPA protection or protection from our troops. They can fight Mexican cartels themselves, lets see how long they last with that. When a hurricane hits Corpus or Galveston, fix it yourself! Dig your own ass out. No more MLB, NBA, NFL. That stuff is AMERICAN! They claim to be patriots, all painted red white and blue, lose and election to a majority and what happens? They want to cede from the union like the treasonous pigs they are! This is America, if your hearts not in it, get your ass out! You can be Texans, the rest of s are AMERICANS, with a legally elected POTUS, chosen bt he biggest majority ever for a second term. I say let them go and then we can let Puerto Rico take their place, we won't even have to change the flag! Go, get the f#$k out. We don't want you. You can have the rest of the treasonous pigs that don't like the USA! We will send them over the fence. Oh yeah, just cut a check for your share of the debt and leave! Bye! Don't let the door hit you where the Lord split you, you steaming piles of horseshit.

  110. Danny R Hernandez

    Woo Hoo! Let Texas Secede. All the Republican can move there and Have "W" and their King! Should make for a Great Country!

  111. Anonymous

    Jim Rawson So you support the deepening separation of wealth and diminishing of the middle class? Why?

  112. Robert Leon

    Probably because California has the higest population. Why don't you list what the percentage of welfare recipiants vs population for california and compare with Texas.

  113. Rocco Kalas

    why is texas making such a big deal out of everything, oh my god, just suck it up that things won't be the way you want for 4 years, quit being a crying bitch while the world laughs at us and preserve the union, jesus christ, what is so bad about this country that makes you want to secede? Because I guarantee you all this bullshit you're pulling now wont fly if you were in another country. Ungrateful bastards.

  114. Anonymous

    Tommy Lee The red states support more on welfare than the blue states. Democrats are not by nature the lazy party.

  115. Anonymous

    Scott Sinisi Good for you! Way to be a real American yay. Lets keep hating each other okay?

  116. Shawn Hicks

    Scott As far as numbers, im sure more keep trickling in, and it depends on which article you read as to how many votes there are. SO for the numbers not being the same for the 2012 election, your probably right they might be different. now for 2008 popular vote for president Obama your dead wrong, and its easily verifiable he had 69,456,897 exactly in 2008. he did get less. No name calling, no calling you names, your just wrong.Cant live with it, tough. as far as my 2012 numbers they will probably be changing for awhile yet. My numbers will be wrong once its finished. I know this. I appreciate your right to free speech even if you dont respect mine. I guess you choose to not get my message so ill be plain, people that think and believe like you are the problem. Your always right, no one else is right. We have to do what you believe cause your right. You expect me to like it or go away. I refuse to give up my constitutional freedom because a bunch of freeloaders want a hand out and expect me to pay for it. As far as i didnt get the president i wanted, I personally didnt like any of the candidates, of any party, they all sucked. I attribute that to the government feeling like they need to tend us like a flock of sheep and we let them do it.
    Why would Texas and any state that joined them just turn over whatever assets were inside their borders? Seems to me possession is 9/10 ths of the law so come take it. You want paid for it? go away. I also realize that were any state to suceede would ultimately result in war, i dont think anyone wants that but you gotta wonder when you see things like let em do it. it should concern every American that these things are happening. the petitions are to get politicians attention, both parties in my opinion. you guys that are getting so angry over peaceful comments need to reevaluate just how much you enjoy abusing your freedoms ,that i fought to preserve, before they are gone.

  117. Dan Melville

    You don't have to be a citizen to collect Social Security. If you're a citizen in another country and you work here and pay SS taxes you can collect SS. You can also collect SS if you are an illegal and that's why SS is going broke.

  118. Shawn Hicks

    oh i did re read my first post and i did make an error,he probably had somewhere closer to 6 to 7 million less votes, i did post the 9 million less comment because thats something i heard before looking for myself.

  119. Farmer Neigh

    Let's just say texas is allowed to secede, who would run the gov't? those who proposed the secession? what kind of gov't would they run? also those refineries state owned or privately owned? who is to say they are not gonna pack up and leave when the union start implementing a 200% or higher to send product across the borders? Do you have the major businesses on your side, cattle ranchers, oil producers, and IT runners. Are they with you on it. If the are produce the info that they are gonna stay in Texas and not leave. if they are then you might have a viable argument

  120. Anonymous

    The facts are simple, Texas is the 15th largest economy in the world, maintains a balanced budget, and last year had a Gross State Product that was second in the nation. Not to mention being THE largest exporter of goods in the US and is one of the most rapidly growing economies in the US. Yes we get money and services from the US, however, if anyone believes Texas would sink without the assistance of the US, they really need to wake up from that pipe dream! Look at the simple facts, don't try to over-analyze things! Unfortunately for Texas, the US needs Texas much more than Texas needs the US, I doubt they will let Texas secede, but we really need permission? When has an forming country ever gotten permission from it's government?

  121. Michael Fay

    and the US would loose all access to all minerial and oil rights as well as having to either pay to keep the bases there. Also many of the states with the petition, have the mineral and oil resources that the rest of the US doesn't have.

  122. Jimmy FiveFingers

    Oh God, please let this happen! Can you imagine how much better off the nation would be without Texans? They are some of the dumbest, narrow-minded, bigoted, narcissistic yokels I have ever met. Good riddance… if they find they can't pull it off later, they can join Mexico instead of returning to US.

  123. Tim Baughman

    Scott your logic is flawed. Those states that you said turned blue aren't necessarily Democrat states. There were many in all states, for one reason or another, didn't vote. Also, just becasue only 50% of a stated voted then you can't say that the majority of the state is one political party or another. Less than or 50% is not a majority. The point you're missing isn't that Texas has a legal right to succeed but that many states feel this way. Name one presidential race in recent history that had this type pf response. Over 30 states are talking succession. This is the point. Obama barley won. His legitimacy is in question. He's not got the backing of the entire US just becasue he won the election. The US is in turmoil & many of the polls showed that Obama was a very poor leader. Also, many don't trust him & with good reason. So maybe you should ask the right question instead.

  124. Janet Lurker

    I am neither a republican nor democrat, secession may be what people think "big government" needs to hear, however what the nation may be coming to is a tax revolt or a modern day revolution to wake up The Washington Fat Cats and let them know we are tired of their business as usual doing NOTHING, giving themselves raises and paying each other off for their own gain and not working hard for the common good of the people. I quit smoking dope in the 60's.

  125. Anonymous

    Texas has their own military installations, besides the average citizen is probably better armed and trained than the average soldier and Texas has how many militia members? Who needs the US Postal Service (which has done major cuts in the last several years due to the Internet and the popularity of other companies such as Fed-Ex and UPS), they are a struggling entity now anyway. Texas loses money with US Tax Dollars, Texas pays out more than it receives! If Texas secedes from the US, why would Texas need to be represented in the US House? Besides, who the hell writes directions on the heel of a boot? It will be worn off in a couple of weeks! Oh, I get it, Arkansas, just disregard this comment. Ignorance is bliss.

  126. Anonymous

    Hans Boateng needs a history lesson, I guess a few of them. How quickly people lose the actual history.

  127. Anonymous

    Unfortunately, it would directly affect many people. Texas is such a gem, the largest exporter of goods in the US and puts in more money than it gets. Some of the states will have a hard time, but that would be their problem! As a native Texan I am very patriotic!

  128. Anonymous

    Uhm, Robert Matt Merry is it? He isn't a Muslim and he won't take your bibles or guns away from you.
    And for God's sake lose some weight and have that kid of yours get to a treadmill!
    Kentucky huh? Where does Kentucky stand in regards to ed-joo-me-kation in the US 41 st?
    Congrats on the GED champ!

  129. Anonymous

    Uhm, Robert is it ? He isn't a Muslim and he won't take your bibles or guns away from you.
    And for God's sake lose some weight and have that kid of yours get to a treadmill !!
    Kentucky huh ? Where does Kentucky stand in regards to ed-joo-me-kation in the US 41 st ?
    Congrats on the GED champ !

  130. Nathaniel Hopkins

    The pig in the pork is still the African Slave Question. The Republic of Texas was a slave state. when texas gain independence from pseudo slave free states will that be valid political and legal grounds for another civil war over slavery and commerce? how many decendents of kidnapped African slaves presently hold texas citizenship? if some Black Texans signs on the seperation how would that effect the long wait in slave history for the officially promised 40 Acres and a Mule in today's dollars? the high intergration of African and Texas Indian blood creates another bingo hurdle. It appears that absent the head table involvement of the major black civil rights organization to deal with the Texas Land Patent law it make take several hundred addition years from the big sit down in Nacadoches at the original site of the Caddo Federation to determining standing of the aboriginal Black Tejas, the Washita, the Mound Builders, the Sunset People. Let the rabbit skinning began starting with the mule and acres.

  131. Thorne Kontos

    Scott, time to rethink the whole red state/blue state and which draws more Federal dollars in terms of the way states voted in the last two elections. New Mexico, for instance, can now be put firmly in the blue category.

  132. Thorne Kontos

    All 50 states have now filed petitions to secede now that Obama has been re-elected. Under Bush, only one state petitioned for secession, and that was Vermont.

    Obama, therefore, can now be labeled as the most divisive President ever…

  133. Jeremy Wood

    Oh no, what would we do? We'd lose the US Border Patrol that is not allowed to do their job. We'd lose the US Postal Service, which is losing money and being destroyed by government interference. We'd lose the Johnson Space Center which is more or less a museum now that there is no more space shuttle program. As far as the military goes, we could invite them all to join us. Chances are they would rather come to Texas than serve under a Commander in Chief that doesn't care if they live or die. Social Security and Medicare are BROKE anyway. And as far as tax dollars from the federal gov't….We PAY tax dollars TO the federal government idiot. And we are supposed to be excited when they decide to give us a little back? The United States needs Texas more than Texas needs the United States.

  134. Gary Martin

    Well if you insist:
    Population (2011) CA — ~37.5M TX — ~25.5M
    Welfare (2008) CA — ~1.2M TX — ~116k source: NY Times July, 2011

  135. Gary Martin

    Nope, has to be through application of state legislatures to call a constitutional convention for the purpose of releasing states from the Union. Any agreement has to be ratified by 3/4 of the states pursuant to the Constitution.

  136. Thorne Kontos

    Gary, I'm surprised you haven't left the state yet. Maybe I was just one of the lucky ones that got out before the housing bubble burst.

  137. Anonymous

    Whoo… Hey Media and lawyers! You just forgot a little amendment known as Amendment X, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." And there is no law specifically saying that the states are unable to secede from the union, that means we, the people, can decide to up and go and you can kiss our asses. And you can't go by a 'ruling' since it is only a ruling over a specific case. In Texas vs White, Texas was trying to sue the White House for attacking the Confederacy during the War between the Sates. And they lost. Since then no law has banned us from the power to secede. You may try using Amendment XIV Section, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." but the problem that argument is that it only implies to those holding governmental offices(Elector here, is someone who is part of the Electoral College). Thus, constitutionally we are able to. If you wish to debate this further I would love to be part of it. It's highly entertaining to watch what happens when you "tread" on people for too long.

  138. Thorne Kontos

    Most of the red states would probably join Texas. The logistics wouldn't be as difficult as most be think, once the jackboot of the Federal government is off their throat.

  139. Anonymous

    Whoo… Hey Media and lawyers! You just went against a little amendment known as Amendment X, which states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." And there is no law specifically saying that the states are unable to secede from the union, that means we, the people, can decide to up and go and you can kiss our asses. And you can't go by a 'ruling' since it is only a ruling over a specific case. In Texas vs White, Texas was trying to sue the White House for attacking us during the War between the Sates. And they lost. Since then no law has banned us from the power to secede. You may try using Amendment XIV Section, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." but the problem that argument is that it only implies to those holding governmental offices(Elector here, is someone who is part of the Electoral College). Thus, constitutionally we are able to. If you wish to debate this further I would love to be part of it. It's highly entertaining to watch what happens when you "tread" on people for too long.

  140. Andrew Zalenski

    Adrian Mathias Crawford i disagree. Adams was a federalist but actually both him and Jefferson believed in a small central government….actually, all of the 'founding fathers' did, ….thats why they went to war with the brits….to gain freedom from tyrannical rule.

  141. Andrew Zalenski

    however, if you have proof I'm incorrect I'd love to read it…shoot me a link my friend.

  142. Nicole Gillespie

    except perry is a dumbass, need i remind ppl tht tx HAD to turn to fema during the bastrop fires, because pery had cut funds to emercency services .. not to metion were the state that produced bush

  143. Nick Schafer

    I think people are forgetting.. The refineries here in Houston produce your gasoline. More money for Texas. I'm for it but for reasons that aren't what most of you stereotype. The government is so big it has consumed almost everything. It was not built for this it needs to shrink drastically. I don't need to be told what to do from the time I wake up to the time I fall asleep and even when I'm sleeping by the federal government. That is why we have States. To say Texas wouldn't make it or bye bye dumb rednecks is also idiotic. Your statements after are all about how much Texas sends to the federal government. Your forgetting how much Oil goes through here. It's all about that. Dubai…. We would succeed. Mexico wouldn't invade the Cartels might but I'm sure people here with guns can stand up to that. Texas also wouldn't be the only ones to secede they would have help. The US right now is a welfare state. Just take a look at prices for products around the world especially in Europe and that's what Master Obama is trying to get us to be. Just wait till prices rise and oil rises and one little thing sets off a bunch of states and they do secede and the Union as we know it fails. Everything fails over a period of time nothing will last forever. Ya'll are witnessing history in the making or will be in the making. Thanks to REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS yes both of them are at fault here.

  144. Walter Woolf

    fred first of all you are a hot head if you would slow down and read and understand shawn he was merily making the point that we all need our federal government to start making better choices for us all as americans and this petition toseced is just to get thier attention and by the way all 50 states have filed the same petition

  145. Jeremy Fajman

    Give Texas until 2020 to 2028. Unless the GOP becomes more open to the Latino community, Texas will turn blue. As for New Mexico, I'd be curious where a lot of that money goes. New Mexico has a lot of education and research institutions in sciences that have help kept an edge held by the United States in technology, especially military technology.

  146. Colin Noel Vickers

    Tina, it is not purely the re-election of President Obama. It is the path the Federal Government has been on the last 12 years. People are fed up with the spending. That Obama and his adminstration are the poster-people for this out of control spending is his unfortunate position. He's not doing much to reverse that trend, and people in Texas and at least 8 other states have had enough of it. It is a mistake to turn this disgust for the out of control spending into something racial or related only to a particular party affiliation. By the way, even though Texas has received more disaster aid than other states, your statement that Texas has received more than it has sent is totally wrong. Much more money in taxes, both Corporate and Individual taxes has been sent to Washington than has been received back. There's nothing whiny or selfish about people in a state that has been balancing its budget and paying its bills to make a statement to the federal government that enough is enough. You know Tina, if you're in a marriage with a partner who refuses to listen to you, and dismisses your cautions and warnings about where the marriage is going, sometimes the only way to get their attention is to slap their butt with divorce papers to get their attention!

  147. Robert Eckert

    By what right would you claim any of the military hardware that OUR tax dollars paid for? If you want to go, I think we should also rip out all the asphalt from the Interstate highways which WE built for you. It could be used to build barriers at the border.

  148. Dione Alvelo

    And if it wans't because Washington The Capital sent a Yankee named Sam Houston down there you'd be part of Mexico today. So Shut up.

  149. Lisa Raines

    You know, I lived in Texas for 5 years. Remember, JFK was killed in Dallas. If they are so AGAINST democrats and democracy, maybe, they should secede. Elect George W. Bush their president and then let the Taliban blow their asses up! If it were a trade like in football, I would say go away Texas, welcome the Dominican Republic and Peurto Rico.

  150. Steven Keevil

    Here is how we solve everything. Make Purto Rico the 51st State. All States secede and leave Purto Rico with all our Nation Debt. No way for Purto Rico to pay and the U.S. collapses. We then let Purto Rico into our new country and we are all Debt free. Win win!

  151. Walter Woolf

    actully tina your numbers are wrong and you forgot to mention the billions of barrels of oil the federal government has siezed and now stores on government property right here in texas they didnt pay for it and they dont pay us to store it so i believe we earned the money they gave us in government grants and disaster relief so get all the facts before you condem any body

  152. Monnie Ray Harwell

    its funny how both sides are talking about who's ecomnoy would be worse for one the price of the dollar would drop and tx doesn, t even have a set currency yet. with that said the us would lose alittle under half of its armed forces because they are from tx along with there familes.

  153. Thomas Johnson

    Please cite the law to which you are referring. 'Texas v. White' is only an opinion, not a law or a Constitutional clause or amendment. It only serves as precedence. Article IV of the Constitution gives Congress the power to admit States. Though it does not explicitly address if a state could leave, a reasonable assumption (assuming reasonableness still exists) is that Congress could authorize a state to leave. Article IV also gives Congress jurisdiction over territories so my previous point seems valid. Not sure what the Justice meant in TvW, but you could argue that "consent of the States" could be rendered via their congressional delegations, not legislatures. Not sure why a constitutional amendment would be required.

  154. Thomas Johnson

    Why is it that people who are all for political correctness always consider people nuts who have an opinion different from theirs'? I am proud to be an American and proud to be a Texan but I am still for Texas independence. I guess that makes me a nut.

  155. Thomas Johnson

    Back in Medieval times Kings would borrow money from other kings or the Church or someone to pay for their lifestyles, wars, etc. If they ran out of money, they sent their soldiers to collect more taxes from the Lords, Barons, etc. The Lords and Barons then went and collected taxes from their serfs (in the form of gold, crops, cattle, wives and daughters). Today, when governments run out of money they raise taxes on the rich (Lords, Barons, who incidentally own the companies that produce everything). The rich then pass on the tax increases to the Middle-class (serfs). We have come a long way in 7 or 8 hundred years.

  156. Tommy Lee

    Some people don't get it …it ain't ALWAYS about Obama it's about how this country is being destroyed from the inside all the way from Nobama to states government!!! People know that leaving the union won't happen but it's a way of telling the government WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THEIR CRAP….

  157. Danny Allen

    I would love to see them secede. then after they fall on thier ass let them rejoin only divided into 5 or six different states.

  158. Thomas Johnson

    I've read thousands of posts on many forums these days and everyone has so many facts and laws. But no one has heard any comments from Obama or anyone in Congress or the Supreme Court. Perry quickly backtracked on his earlier stance. Why no official response? My guess is they don't want to upset the apple-cart. Obviously the Governor or Texas Legislature are not going to make an official act to unilaterally secede, and Texans are not going to take up arms against the US. The only way a state could ever leave is to formally petition Congress (via Legislature or Governor) to allow peaceful separation, which Congress would never allow. Texas is stuck with America and America with Texas. If you don't like Texas and live here, then leave. If you don't like America and live in Texas, then go to another country. Yes Texas can legally secede through a mutual effort with the US Congress but it is a moot point.

    We can change government. We just did. Unfortunately until everyone quits thinking Red and Blue then nothing will change in Washington. If everyone, conservative and liberal alike, voted for independent people instead of politicians beholden to their political parties, PACs, lobbyists, interest groups, etc, then we would have change. Say No to donkeys, elephants and the Tea Party, and vote for real change in government.

  159. Tj Irish

    Obama got over 50% of the popular vote. 300 plus electoral votes. Instead of grinning and bearing it like I did as a Democrat during all the Bush years as POTUS. You want to secede? What a buncha p_ssays you petitioner signers are… First IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Second I wish youd get secession. Enjoy building ou're own army cause the Fed gov't would likely demand all it's military equipment back along with all the other FED gov't assets that are in Texas. OH and soc sec and medicare along with all the other Fed gov't entitlements are gone. SO in effect Texas as an independent country would likely have to raise taxes to survive. Which is what the petioners are angry about in the first place.

  160. Tj Irish

    Shawn it's not enforcing our will. It's called DEMOCRACY. Obama and his supporters got more votes meaning we have a right to push Obama to enact laws his supporters want. ENFOCING OUR WILL. LMAO. Go move to North Korea…

  161. Tj Irish

    Caleb those petitioners make up less than one percent of Texas population. As Fred ststed GET A FREAKING LIFE!!! AND A Presidential candidate that doesn't SUCK!

  162. Tj Irish

    matt if you really believe that. You are a freaking IDIOT!!!! So are the rest of thepeople agreeing with you Matt. What this conversation is really about is this: "WAAAAHHHHHH WAAAAHHHH I didn't get my way. I am going to take my ball and go home." President Obama will be the President of the 50 UNITED STATES for the next 4 years. You don't like it. PLEASE LEAVE AND DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE AZZ ON THE WAY OUT!

  163. Chess Ward

    Freddy Boy, why don't you learn how to spell "rediculous" before you start lecturing us. Perhaps you're the one who's been toking it up. Eh?

  164. Judy Parker

    And since Texas supplies most of the power and heating fuel in the U.S. not to mention gas, the rest of the country can freeze their snotty asses off and walk where they need to go.

  165. Miles Watson

    People from both parties do that. It's just sulking. Remember Alec Baldwin saying he'd move to Ireland if G.W. Bush was re-elected? He didn't move, he was just blowing off. And by the way, it's "ridiculous", not "rediculous", and "secede" not "suceed." 3rd grade education anyone?

  166. Anonymous

    Texas takes in more Federal money than it sends out.
    The 14th Amendment forbids secession. One of 50 Americans died to make that point from 1861-5.
    More than 1/2 of the State hates the idea.
    If you wanted to reinstate slavery, perhaps you could try it for white people this time, since it was such a good idea for all concerned. Just sayin'

  167. Michael Shifflett

    I can say without a doubt that if Texas was to secede it would throw the U.S. economy into turmoil and it wouldn't surprise me to see $10 or $15 a gallon gas in the remaining states along with major jumps in utilites, food and textile goods not to mention the U.S. would lose a major seaport located near Houston so all of the people think they would be better off if Texas left you'll be in for a rude awakening and would be begging for Texas back.

  168. Mitchell Finesod

    Scott Larson Actually, 9 of the top 10 recipients of Government monies are:
    1. New York
    2. Maine
    3. Tennessee
    4. Massachusetts
    5. Vermont
    6. Washington DC
    7. New York
    8. Minnesota
    9. Washington
    10. New Mexico
    FACT: Blue states are subsidized by the Red States
    Source: CNBC

  169. Mitchell Finesod

    Scott Larson
    Actually, 9 of the top 10 recipients of Government monies are:
    1. California
    2. Maine
    3. Tennessee
    4. Massachusetts
    5. Vermont
    6. Washington DC
    7. New York
    8. Minnesota
    9. Washington
    10. New Mexico
    FACT: Blue states are subsidized by the Red States
    Source: CNBC

  170. Martin McNickle

    Actually a lot of those signatures aren't even from Texas. Literally anyone from anywhere in the world can sign those petitions.

  171. Martin McNickle

    Colin Noel Vickers Yeah, the timing of this "just happens" to coincide with Obama's presidency. I can't help but wonder if these petitions would exist had Romney been elected…

  172. Callie Taylor

    Fred Estill TEXAS is in the top 15 of the strongest economies world wide. I realize you tried hard to sound intelligent but when you spell succeed "suceed" and ridiculous "rediculous" it's hard to give you any credibility. And republicans do not "get together" to secede, it only takes ONE person to get that ball rolling; we merely sign in agreement but for our own various reasons. We're not so foolish to actually believe it will work either; we merely wish to send a message, a very loud and clear message. You point out that a large portion of our population is democrats (mexicans and blacks make up the majority of dems in TX), so what? They are just here to enjoy how a republic, free-enterprize, entrepreneurial system runs. But it doesn't change our color. I swear you democrats are like a freaking cult with your allegience to your own. No matter how evil the current admin is no words of disagreement will be uttered from the lips of a liberal against their own party. Deny deny deny, point the finger and blame us when any liberal plans fail. And even after the next 4 failed years as we all stand in the streets waiting in a bread line, there you all will be, pointing fingers at us and blaming the republican house on all the horrible defunct Obama enforced policies. Already we are seeing the writing on the wall with Dow Jones plummeting, over 150 large USA companies with massive lay-offs just being announced, doctors refusing any new patients with medicare/medicaid, small businesses culling their employees to get below the 50 employee mark, cutting the hours for the rest to part-time. Just remember liberal, YOU voted for this.

  173. Callie Taylor

    Scott Larson You wouldn't have time to worry about that, you would be too busy just trying to survive day to day.

  174. Callie Taylor

    That's right, take away another freaking RIGHT damn liberals… The liberal answer to anything that goes against their ideal > I don't like it so let's make it a law they can't say/do/eat/weigh/publish/walk/talk/THINK that!

  175. Donald Shawver

    I am ready to pull the ejection handle on D.C., and I am from Texas, living in North Carolina, so I will pull the ejection handle twice then, on D.C.

  176. Cinnamon Joy

    Mitchell Finesod – Funny, *I* just went to CNBC and your list is no where near correct. I found this list (and, unlike your lying a$$, I'll provide a real link):
    1. Florida
    2. Louisiana
    3. South Carolina
    4. Hawaii
    5. Virginia
    6. Mississippi
    8. Delaware
    9. Texas
    10. Maryland

    I suspect that NY, NJ and CT will move up the list next year because of Sandy Damage and repair of infastructure. I think some of you idiots forget what some of this money entails. Please note that Maryland and Virginia get a lot of money for Homeland Security and the Defense Department. Texas gets a lot of money because of oil subsidies. Hawaii gets a ton of SSI. I'm guessing a lot of people must retire there. I'm pretty sure that Florida will top out that list for many years to come with all the baby boomers retiring and moving there.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49200137/States_With_the_Most_Federal_Funding

  177. Clare Gump Roush

    If people are so discontent that they want secession from the USA, you can always move to another country. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

  178. Cinnamon Joy

    You morons realize that 'welfare' is run at the state level, right? If you want to whine and carry on about what you deem to be "welfare queens with their Obama phones", you do it in person to your state representatives, not federal. But I'm guessing that showing up in your white robes and pointy white hat at a townhall meeting would be frowned upon.

  179. Cinnamon Joy

    Fred Estill – Also, they aren't thinking about the signatures from people like me. People from other states who signed the petition with a smile on their face thinking "OH, HAI! Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Texas! Take Mississippi and Alabama with you!"

    And I'm offering free room and board refuge for Austinites. We love you guys. <3

  180. Cinnamon Joy

    Beth Taylor – That's a great idea! We wouldn't have to change all the flags! Good thinking! I <3 Puerto Rico! Maybe we could get an island in the Pacific to replace Mississippi or Alabama.

  181. Steve Stoppelbein

    no state should leave the union- we all need to stick together, but with 50 states having filed petitions -and enough votes in each state come in for a majority then the 3/4 majority of the states can override federal law. there are things like obama care, gun or protecting yourself right, united nations rulings and other probelms that need to be straightened out. executive orders have been a joke, congress with no budget and the senate and the house killing this country makes for a good cause to throw them all including obama and other federal employees in jail.

  182. Bert Clark

    Why are you even considering such a thing? We should all pull together to make things right. A house devided can not stand.

  183. Carol D'Angelo

    I totally agree with you Andrew. OUR federal government has gained to much control BECAUSE we the people elected inadequate people to run our lives. The federal government has to much say and control of what we do. But at the same time we allowed this to happen. Not saying you and i obviously but our grandparents great grandparents and even in some cases our own parents. We should have closed our borders a long time ago we shouldn't be just printing up money we shouldn't be paying superintendants 500,000 a year to run our schools. Whatever happened to the cops walking the beat actually checking on businesses and homes, getting friendly with a neighborhood and taking care of their own communities? Not looking at every person they pass as a perp? What happened to doctors making house calls? They never made 200+ a year to tell you if your sick or not.Why is the price of tuition so high? Do those college professors really deserve what they are being paid? It's rediculous and obsurd. Minimum wage used to be a wage you could live on. Now you can't live a full week on minimum wage and survive. My grandparents bought their land and built their house on long island for 25,000 way back when, why did it sell for almost 400,000? Things are out of control and need to change.

  184. Reed Fulkerson

    to all who talk about leaving the nation…relax, get over it, and get your person in at the next election. you remind me of little children that don't get their way and then throw a fit about it. Come on Man!

  185. WD Smith

    Those border states which did decide to secede, let's say Arizona, as an example, would be able to control their own borders without Federal interference. It is ridiculous and foolish for this Administration to close over 20 border patrol stations, as they have done, so millions more illegals can flood into our country.

  186. Marj Jolin

    this is crazy talk. what is wrong with everyone. allow this to happen and we lose what credibility we have. we will be no better than all those middle east countries who are always finding excuses to kill each other. whatever happened to "one nation under God"????????????

  187. Robert Yelvington

    Louise Bigbee Well, the Republic of Texas had to join the U.S. (by treaty, not annexed) because we couldn't afford the cost of repeatedly fighting off Mexico. We had a strong Army during Houston's first term, then a strong Navy when Lamar became president, then back to just an Army in Houston's second term…but never both at the same time. But of course the economics are different now.

  188. Shane Schneider

    Walter, did you not see that I'm a Raiders fan? Have been and always will be. They've been terrible for 9 years and I pay for the NFL package to watch them play every week. So no, I'm not a fair weather fan. Besides, it was just a joke being that I live in L.A. and we have no team.

  189. Peter J. Richards

    Thank you guys for your vote of secession. It's a great idea. We take Texas and you have Puerto Rico. Man, where do I sign up for that ?

  190. Peter J. Richards

    Scott Larson, Thank you for your vote for Texas to secede. You will be remembered when you applied for entry into the country.

  191. Peter J. Richards

    Oh give us all a break Tina and wake up. It doesn't matter if the president was white, black (yes I said that word – black), pink, or green: the country is above $13 trillion in debt and its largest debt holder is China it's greatest competitor. Using the same process, if a family household is in debt it does not go to the Bank to spend more money. You try that and see how far you go. It's the ideology, policies that are counter to the founding of this country that's the issue. Wake up and stop just reading the NY Times and watching CNN. Start doing some math.

  192. Tim Miller

    r u crazy? Do you know how much taxes that the state of Texas has payed to the government so far? Texas has more than payed for the road and things you mentioned. US may owe Texas.

  193. Peter J. Richards

    George Rogers : and why should CA get a return? It's a successful well run State right? It's doing what it's ideology says right? Spreading the wealth, right?

  194. Mike Hager

    Scott Sinisi, it is true that the roads don't stop at the American border, north or south, but America stops paying for them there and this ludicrously theoretical Texas nation should not benefit from the American highway system once it has left the fold. Why in the world should the US be expected to leave ANY of it's forces or equipment in the new nation of Texas? What claim is there? None whatsoever.

    We must assume that any such succession must be peaceful and with the acquiescence of the US. A violet rebellion would have zero chance of success, as any reasonable person knows. So, these citizens of the US being forced out of their homes in Texas would perhaps be allowed to leave? No, sir. they would leave with full compensation from the new nation. I assure you that even in the event of a peaceful secession being allowed, any high handed injustices towards American citizens would not be tolerated by public opinion in the US.

    Of course this is all silly conjecture. Only a very tiny lunatic fringe, far too few to actually do anything and far too lunatic to actually run a nation afterwards, would want to secede.

  195. John Clark

    Let Texas go, if that's what the majority of its citizens really want! Every federally funded Texas asset could certainly be better used, by far, in one of the other 49 states! The Cheney/Bush/Haliburton debacle is a pox on the U.S. economy and may well have single-handedly gutted the US economy beginning in 2000! Just my opinion.

  196. Mike Hager

    Mr. Phillips,

    If you are in any way supporting, even in spirit, the idea of secession, you do not love your country. Stop saying you do.

    You are the very example of the modern conservative. Modern conservatism isn't about morality (it is in fact distinctly immoral) or fiscal responsibility (it is no more fiscally responsible then it is moral). It is about authority… authority of bosses over workers, men over women, christians over over non-christian, and whites over "those people". That's all it is. Now, when the conservative lunatic fringe like you sees bits of that authority going away they start talking about going elsewhere, where they will have the authority they crave.

    You are mistaken, there was a neocon call for secession after the last election. You are wrong again.

    Oh, and the fact that the President won re-election does in fact mean that the majority of people who care enough to vote does agree with him. You are wrong again.

    It is not apparent that Obama is an "incompetent bafoon". The economy handed to him by the previous administration has improved and he managed to get at least some much needed health care reform past the insurance industry and people like you stupid enough to listen to them. You are wrong again.

    "Communistic thinking butt plugs"? You don't even know the difference between Communist and socialist, do you? Look it up and maybe we can address this, but, rest assured, you are wrong again.

  197. Kate Schear

    Being from Iowa I would gladly exchange my real estate with someone's in Texas who did not want to live there. i also think Texans would pull together to support one another and would not have to rely on the huge burecracy of the Federal Government…as well as the huge costs in Federal Government. Also there are so many things that the Federal Government mandates that are not necessary. I think the government would be far ahead.

  198. Julio Parra

    Okay I am not a Texan and therefore won't give an opinion, but if Texas is such a pistol then why the fuck are they doing it now? If they have been so strong for years why didn't they leave the Union back in 2001 when the country was going to shit? Cuz of being proud to be an American and saddle up the horse with the post-9/11 hyperpatriotic paranoia that swept the nation huh? Why is Texas wanting to secede now? Why now and not before, is the real question. Texans have been doing very well for years with Oil, technology, tourism etc, why now, why get all 1860 on us? Here is why because it is a whiny state, in which it didn't go red, so it's the highway, this is all because of being a sore loser…come Texas, if you don't want to be labeled so, then you should've seceded a long time ago, since the Depression started back in 2007…in a way I do hope you secede, It'll be nice to have a New New Mexico-Texas state, after all everything Texas is mysteriously Mexican influenced…Cowboys? yup Mexican Influence LOL. Texas can't be American, and it cannot have the same hoidays because it's a brand new nation, it cannot be celebrating the holidays their old nation had cuz after all it would be hypocritical, just like we don't celebrate any English holidays after we gained Independence…It'll be interesting I do hope they secede and the new culture, holidays, foreign taxes for traveling to Louisiana, or Arizona, or New York LOL, and all that comes with forming a new nation. So interesting.The money system would be different, prices, everything would be considered foreign, wow..LOL.

  199. Anonymous

    A state makes their own rules and laws. Maybe Washington D.C. and our Federal Government will wake up when the only people they have to rule and tax are themselves. Scary ain't it. I'm for dropping out of the Union , Kentucky style.

  200. Anonymous

    Why should we carry those freeloader blue states, like California, if they want to follow the policies of Obama, then let the libtards move into all the blue states and stop mooching off the successful red states that follow the conservative blueprint. That way will know where to send the tornadoes, fires, floods and hurricanes for supporting such an awful practice like partial birth abortion, Obama's pet project.

  201. Gary Martin

    Cinnamon — You do know that most funding for welfare programs comes from the federal government, right? The programs are administered by the states.

  202. Jack Williamson

    Whether Shawn is a Republican or Democrat makes no difference,whatsoever. We've all heard the " You're just mad because the person you voted for didn't get elected" BS, and frankly it makes everyone that spouts it sound assenine! If someone,or some group is moved enough to think about seceding, then there is more than just a irritation from an elected official. To accuse someone of smoking pot,when you, yourself don't have all the facts, makes you look just as bad as one of the mudslinging politicians.

  203. Kin Chau

    Fred Estill U R 100% right ! Hi-5 to U from me. All people in TX, don't forget those fellow Americans who fought and died for TX, say Alamo… remember that ?????? What are you going to say to them if TX is trying to get away from the UNION ???

  204. Matt LeJune

    Fred Estill" Help with disaster relief" is laughable. Obviously you haven't dealt with FEMA during a disaster. I lost everything and trust me when I say I've made my way back no thanks to the federal government.

  205. Chuck Murphy

    I hope Texas goes a long way…the further the better. So much for patriotism and the Constitution. Have a nice life, y'all. Don't think Texas ain't a mess.

  206. Anonymous

    Here are a couple of clues to all of the clueless 'tards drooling their wet dreams about creating some sort of christo-fascist dream country: 1- currently less that.003% of the population of Texas are mentally ill enough to fall for this stupidity. The other 99.7% of the population desire to remain part of the greatest country on earth. 2- the US military will come and remove ALL government property, INCLUDING ALL military equipment long before such a event happened. 3-Lets see how big the TAX will be to replace all of the government services that would no longer be coming to the state…..Medicare, Medicaid and Social security immediately come to mind…and oh yeah, were will the money come from for the state to rebuild its now weaponless military? Here is the part that I find most ironic…that this internet, that all of you clueless 'tards live on, was created by the VERY government you profess to hate so much. By the way, what are you going to call your dream country? I have an idea: "the land of the retarded white racists". Pretty catchy!

  207. Chuck Murphy

    Is it all about Barack Hussien Obama? Well, why didn't California and New York leave the Union over George Waldo "Deficit Dude" Bush?

  208. Mai Nguyen

    I see that not only the Texas but there're some other states wanted to secede too, my opinion is since they all want to separate from the federal, why don't they all get together and form a country of their own and stay away from all kind of assistance from The United States of America for good, and leave all that don't want to do it behind, don't drag them in to a mess with you.

  209. Richard White

    Sir,
    I respect your perspective and have some food for thought.
    You might be mistaken on the drawing of Social Security benefits and having to be a citizen. I know of individuals that are not citizens and are legally receiving Social Security benefits.
    Additionally, I don’t know if the correct answer is to leave if you don’t agree with what is popular at a given time. The City in which I am honored to serve is a very economically challenged environment and most individuals do not live there because it is a nice place to live and raise a family. It is crime ridden and plagued with gangs, parolees, and career criminals. The individuals that live in the City live there because it is where they live. As a senior Law Enforcement officer and training officer, I have heard officers incorrectly tell individuals if you didn’t like, whatever was at issue at the time, you should leave or move out of the City. Most would move to a better area if they had the resources to do so.
    In this great country we have seen and will continue to see shifts in what is popular. Individuals sometimes change their opinions or beliefs as they become more educated or experienced in life.
    I love this country and have risked my life in the military and currently as a Law Enforcement professional to protect citizens as well as an individual’s rights. Most individuals do not have the resources to move or leave an area. I haven’t always agreed with or supported the popular. I do however love this country and what it has stood for. With respect.

  210. Michael Miller

    too funny, you would have fort hood? yep…lotta good an empty fort is..huh? as ALL the forces in are US Military not the Texas Military. AND all that oil you say is Texas's? get real..all that oil and gas is OWNED by large corp. who have NO reason to just say .."oh..ok..here take our stock holders oil and gas. lmao GET REAL! The whole idea is rubbish and NO state would survive a year. Once your best doctors left for better salaries to neighboring states and your road systems started to crumble…omg..so many more things make this an idiots dream.

  211. Michael Miller

    all that oil you say is Texas's? get real..all that oil and gas is OWNED by large corp. who have NO reason to just say .."oh..ok..here take our stock holders oil and gas. lmao GET REAL! The whole idea is rubbish and NO state would survive a year.

  212. Kin Chau

    Joel, I got it. U signed it and do not want to be blamed , You forwarded it to Congress and hope the Congress will act with "usual speed". Ya, I bettU they put it on the bottom of the list and consider IT IS NOTHING NEW and they say: FORGET IT ! another pie of junk mail.

  213. Sam Mayer

    Not true, Judy…we'll be just fine without y'all…actually, better!

  214. Sam Mayer

    Not true, Judy…we'll be just fine without y'all…actually, better!

  215. Anonymous

    They cannot succeed! It is a federal law…are you all totally brain dead? Actually if they could and did after all their oil and government contracts run out they could then join the third world. Wake up people!

  216. Sam Mayer

    Shawn…that mindset you have is twisted… listen to Barbara Bush On Obama's Reelection: 'People Spoke. Move On, Get On With It!'

  217. Michael Miller

    you people seem to be forgetting that those oil well and gas AND cattle are OWNED by large corperations NOT Texas. You all would be paying THEM just as everyone else is. WHAT? you think it be free for you all? like the stock holders are gonna just say.."oh ok..geeze you want it to be yours? ok..take it?" lmao GET REAL and THINK!!!!!!!!

  218. Martin Andrew

    Ho hum. The biggest employer in Texas is the Federal Government. Take away all that money and Texas doesn't have a lot to fall back on. Especially when Mexico decides to claim back some territory partner.

    Shit. I'd supply the Mexican's the tanks for the job. Texas like most desert communities are cities surrounded by marginal land. The oil will run out and then what. :)

  219. Crabtree Nick

    OK, the Supreme Court was stating the obvious. The Union cannot be dissolved, unless there is a revolution. Common sense. Americans had a right to secede from Britain because they won. If the patriots had lost, the right would not exist. See? If the Confederacy had won, the issue would be moot. Texas and the rest of them lost. This 'issue' is pure nonsense. in reality, if Texas gained permission from Congress to secede, what would happen? Not hard to figure out. The US military bases and materiel in Texas would still be US property and would be returned or reimbursed to Uncle Sam. No other option. If Texas refused, that would be war. The US government would not permit weapons technology to fall into hands of a secessionist movement. No immigration or customs authority, no Medicare, no Social Security. So Texas would have to provide these, or not, but could not rely on Washington for them. Libertarianism and hard conservatism wants limited government. So right off the bat, and independent Texas would have a weak government with a limited taxing power, but would have to provide services no longer provided by the US. This would be the same situation faced by the newly created United States under the Articles of Confederation, and interestingly by the CSA during the Civil War. The Confederate States were hindered by a weak government that could not raise enough money and men to fight the Union effectively. So you understand, whether legal/constitutional or not, the very idea of Texas secession is nonsensical. Texas would be cut off from economic relations with the US, obviously, because why would the US want to support a secessionist State? And Texas would wall itself off from Mexico and probably legislate to create a white supremacist state. In other words, apartheid. How long do you think it would be before there is an all-out race war in Texas or the Mexican population would leave Texas, and then Texas's economy would be crippled due to lack of labor. So what is the point of secession. Juvenile ranting is all that it is.

  220. Jeanne Simard

    actually canadians per capita have more guns then even texas,its just that we dont use them to settle stupid arguements,your agricultural numbers dont hold up, florida has more cattle then texas, china has 5 times more cattle the the u.s,etc…get an education and shut up,you prove that texans are idiots.

  221. Jeanne Simard

    Walt Bubba Simmons ,ps, texas does'nt own the oil and gas refineries ,bp, exxon and the like own them and if dealing with a new nation it might be the tiping point for them to relocate to louisiana.

  222. Michael Miller

    all that oil you say is Texas's? get real..all that oil and gas is OWNED by large corp. who have NO reason to just say .."oh..ok..here take our stock holders oil and gas. lmao GET REAL! The whole idea is rubbish and NO state would survive a year.

  223. Sam Mayer

    Sam Mayer · Top Commenter · Finance & Administration at FPC/ABQ

    The State of Some in the State of Texas, et al.

    Their Petition:

    “Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's (sic) citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.”.

    Facts:

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry and lawmakers failed to keep their promise not to “kick the can” down the road in 2011, when it came to solving the largest budget shortfall in the state’s history. That’s according to an Associated Press report, which concludes that Perry and the legislature largely balanced the state’s budget through flimsy accounting gimm
    icks that do nothing to secure Texas’ financial footing.

    Moreover, the Texas Governor likes to tell Washington to stop meddling in state affairs and that he vocally opposed the Obama administration's 2009 stimulus program to spur the economy and assist cash-strapped states. Perry also likes to trumpet that his state balanced its budget in 2009, while keeping billions in its rainy day fund.

    But he couldn't have done that without a lot of help from… guess where? Washington.

    Turns out Texas was the state that depended the most on those very stimulus funds to plug nearly 97% of its shortfall for fiscal 2010, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

    So, even budget deficits are bigger in Texas.

    Texas, which crafts a budget every two years, was facing a $6.6 billion shortfall for its 2010-2011 fiscal years. It plugged nearly that entire deficit with $6.4 billion in Recovery Act money.

    As for standards of living….

    The standard of living in the United States is one of the top 20 in the world. Per capita income is high but also less evenly distributed than in most other developed countries; as a result, the United States fares particularly well in measures of average material well-being and does not place well on equality aspects. That’s sad!

    What’s even sadder is the situation in Texas which rightfully boasts a high standard of living. However, they are in that position due to being a state with one of the lowest costs of living. That results in statistics like these:

    Personal income is the 2nd highest but per capita income is in 31st place. There are a lot of people making money in Texas but not the majority. (For comparison purposes, per capita income for NY is 4th and CA is 7th.) 16% of Texans live in poverty. The wage gap is the 12th highest in the nation for women and even higher for minority workers.

    Texas can also “boast” about being in 41st place on educational spending, 44th place on healthcare spending, and 47th percent of all other spending, like public welfare, police, fire, corrections and highways. The tickler is that Texas is in 2nd place for the highest level of DUIs. That speaks volumes about the many Texans signing a petition to secede from the Union.

    Yes, Texas has a huge economy. But…did you notice how big Texas is? Did you know 50 of the Fortune 500 companies find a home there? It’s not rocket science to see that touting 15th in world economies is a “practically feasible” sly trick. The CEOs and millionaires have it great but the vast majority of Texans suffer. All things considered, I’d opt to live in California which is the 9th largest world economy, or even New York which is just ahead at 14th.

    As for rights and liberties, what is there truthfully to “re-secure”? The original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers and mothers are as much reflected by the federal government today, as in any other time in history, even better. What are the specifics? This sweeping statement can only be fathomed by looking back to the last time secession was an issue. Remember slavery and the Civil War?

    Our current federal government, although historically obstructed by greed and partisan politics, is as much the same as it’s been in prior administrations. The scary stuff like individual rights, debt and the demise of Social Security, has been around since their inceptions. The fear has always been there to influence those who can be easily manipulated.

    A timely example is the debt ceiling increases that have been a no brainer in any administration prior to Barack Obama’s. There is only one issue that seems to be the crux of the secessionists’ angst. It will be wailed about as being untrue but it is certainly clear. Racism is alive and well in America and our President of the United States is half white and half-African American.

  224. Mark Brown

    People like you is why the people from texas want out. We dont want to be associated with the kind of person who thinks government is the only way to survive.

  225. Michael Miller

    dont have to be from texas to know who owns the oil and gas there. AND its NOT you or the state gov. that owns it either. lol

  226. Mark Brown

    If you own the royalties then you own the oil. Mosto the oil producers here in texas are from texas…ever hear of texaco xto txu just to name a few. Im in oil and gas business so i know a little about what im saying

  227. Alexander Michael Pee

    The Modern day extremist Republican believes this should be our preamble.

    We the people of the United States, in order to for a more bipartisan union, establish de-regulation, insure domestic dispartiy, provide for self-reliance, promote no general welfare, and secure the appearance of liberty to our domestic opposition and our enemies, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

  228. Josh Smith

    There was once a small group of colonies that decided that they didn't like the way they were governed. They declared themselves independent and forfeited many things from their home country including protection and valuables/assets. So, if you don't think that a state as large and independent as TX can do the same (not to mention the possibility of others such as AZ, NM, or LA) joining them, then whether or not you have more than a 3rd grade education, or smoke copious amounts of pot, you are a fool. Plain and simple. The British didn't take us very seriously. Look how that turned out? So, I strongly suggest however un/likely a scenario you may think this is, and it very well may be, you take it very seriously. Lest you be caught underestimating, just like those British….

  229. Vivian Mimms

    That would be a big part of my problem with actually seceding. Who will be making decisions here in Texas? Rick Perry? God forbid. IMHO, the secession petitions should result in someone asking "What is the problem?" rather than can it actually happen. I signed it, but only as a form of protest. The current status quo needs to change. That can only be done by "thinking" people acknowledging a problem and working toward resolution. If people never take any action, even if it is just to stand up and say there is a problem, there can never be any resolution. As a Texan, sure I think we could survive without the rest of the US. We are a proud group of people here. There are lots of pros and cons, but in general, I don't think it would reduce our quality of life that much. I don't expect anyone to understand that, but I do think it is true.

  230. Walter Woolf

    shane dont sweat it im born and bred texan and my team is and always has been the NY GIANTS so i to know what it is to be a die hard fan of 30 plus years

  231. Sam Mayer

    Keep speaking the truth, Tina. These good ol' boys are just afraid because their white male priviledge is almost near dead. They may survive or not. Let Texas SUCK SEED!

  232. Bryon Sparks

    I'd like to see Romney as King of Texas, Rick Perry as his Prime minister (chuckle), George W. as Duke of Dallas, and the US loosening the immigration laws so that we can get back all the smart Texans.

  233. Peter J. Richards

    Viv, it's sort of like denying people the right to divorce, huh!

  234. Peter J. Richards

    Oh great Sire Thomas, if they do not last long, who's gonna pay for the food stamps?

  235. Peter J. Richards

    Then please vote yes for Tx to secede to teach us silly people a lesson so that we come crawling back to you.

  236. Peter J. Richards

    Waaffen-dude, can you make your point a little shorter. I have a job and not a lot of time to read such dribble.

  237. Peter J. Richards

    Good for your Judy. Spot on. Get the Feds the hell out of Tx.

  238. Peter J. Richards

    What on earth are you talking about? Go back to school and learn some basic comprehension.

  239. Peter J. Richards

    Off you go Jillian, and don't even bother closing the door. Let the others like you follow you. If you are an "American" as you say, you will know why Tx is this unhappy.

  240. Peter J. Richards

    Thank you Kerrie for your vote for Tx to secede. Oh, and the rumors are true, you are better looking than your pet.

  241. Peter J. Richards

    Such sane advice Robert. You must be a scholar of economics.

  242. Peter J. Richards

    Then we can all come back as illegals (sorry, "undocumented persons" in your terminology) and get all sorts of free stuff and Obama phones and stuff, huh!

  243. Peter J. Richards

    Absolutely !! And when the Republic stops being "for which it stands" it's time to go and create another Republic for which it stands. Q E D it's Latin. Look it up.

  244. Peter J. Richards

    Stephanie, we're not going anywhere, it's you that we're letting go.

  245. Peter J. Richards

    Read the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. It addresses the first 6 words of your exhibit.

  246. Peter J. Richards

    Quite so Michael, and hence although the ideological desire to let Tx go, it cannot for it be food for the Democrat agenda.

  247. Kerrie Douglas Shaffer

    It's just amazing to me how Far Right folks who want you to believe they are the ultimate patriots are also so quick to abandon America if the political situation doesn't go their way. What hypocrites these people are. It shows up in a lot of other actions and beliefs of theirs as well. Very sad situation.

  248. Jamie Edwards

    uh…you don't know me. I have never used "undocumented". I'm an independent that actually thinks and not just listens to faux news or Messnbc. The free phone program was started by the Bush administration and if you read my comment it makes sense. If you want to leave, leave. You are either American or not. You cannot pick and choose when you want to support "OUR" country or "Our" President. In closing….Thanks for the comment but next time please think first.

  249. Steve Stoppelbein

    yea i know—but barack said a few days ago that he would tell us what was constitutional.. i just making sure he knows what the books say. and so are some other people…thanks for your reply i like it when men and women are paying attention and do their homework

  250. Jillian Michelle Gonzales

    Peter J. Richards Dude I'm 12 I don't know why TX is unhappy. I just…nevermind.

  251. Rob Purifoy

    If we do secede what happens to our sports teams? I guess we're still the Dallas Cowboys, Mavericks etc. but I don't think we'd be part of the "National" anymore. Of course that's the least of worries, I was just curious. But otherwise we are in the position to secede with our oil, the ports, our economy, and mostly our attitude.

  252. Tori Elmquist

    No thorne, all it proves is what we have said all along, Republicans are much less willing to work together with someone with opposing ideals than Democrats are. I think this has been very well established in the past 4 years.

  253. Mark Sullivan

    Look here Peter J. Richards. Im talking about taking all that capitol that Texans boast about. America will take that in spite of boastful Texans….. Im in school right now pot head…G.I. BIll.. The only good thing out of Texas is Ron Paul

  254. Mark Sullivan

    Texas cant walk away from America's gang.. We will take everything you boast about.. Then see how big you talk… The only good thing about Texas is Ron Paul…

  255. Thorne Kontos

    Sorry Tori, but your use of the word we in "what we have said all along" shows to me that you either have a mouse in your pocket or are incapable of thinking for yourself… If you use the last 4 years as your guideline, then you simply haven't studied your Congressional history. Judging by your appearance, I'd say I probably have 20 years on you at the very least. With age comes a certain wisdom, especially to those that actually pay attention. I would suggest that you quit your job at the elementary school and try the real world for a while where you are not on the taxpayer dole… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7WU872Lk (just for you…)

  256. Peter J. Richards

    Jamie, I don.t care whether I know you or not. The thought is this: If you support the Constitution and the founding fathers then you're American. You're not if you push a progressive agenda on people that is against the founding of this country and to use those people as unwilling sources of funding for those agendas. I seem to recall something around 1776 here. WRT thinking, the dribble you wrote above wrt to Mexico and passports is .. well, dribble. There's no such thing as "independent" in this, or libertarian or whatever. People that float around proclaiming to be thinkers because they cannot decide are in actuality void of impact. Regardless of one's political name or rhetoric, it boils down to this – you're either for the Constitution or not. One is not for the Constitution if one wants to avoid it, circumvent it or write exec.orders that deny it. If Tx stands for the freedoms of the Constitution then I'm a Texan. We do not have a united States of America that stands for the freedoms of the Constitution in both principle and execution. So if we have to let go those that want something else, it's like a marriage, let them go, divorce, and we'll all be better off. Oh, and by the way, there are no "children" and similar to a progressives agenda, the end justifies the means.

  257. Gary Martin

    My plan is to have Americans buy all the waterfront properly in Mexico. Then pay illegals to build the wall and let the rest of Mexico move north. They have the US and it's trillions in debt. We get a nice waterfront view and all of the oil. You in?

  258. Gary Martin

    Huh? The states are not creations of the federal Constitution. It's the other way around. States are their own political entity, the existence of which does not depend on the federal gov't.

  259. Gary Martin

    This issue was settled on the field of honor in 1865. States may not unilaterally secede. However, a constitutional convention could bust the union. That would require ratification of 3/4 of the states.

  260. Gary Martin

    Unless you plan to defend against the US military for forming a rebellion, then I would't suggest it. Perhaps you need to study a little American history, say 1858-1868.

  261. Peter J. Richards

    If you're in school lad you must be staring out the window and wasting your time. But then that's probably not a bad thing considering the indoctrination you're getting. The only good thing out of Tx is RP (?). Come on .. what sort of statement is that? But you have stated a reason for Tx secession, Texans do not want to be food for agendas they do not agree with.

  262. Gary Martin

    Yep. The states can call a constitutional convention and reform or abolish the Union completely. Three fourths of the state legislatures have to ratify any agreement.

  263. Jerry Hill

    Absolutely not, the union shall stand firm, idiots waste their money and time on this ill conceived pipe dream. I got much money be glad to double it with any nitwit who cares to relinquish his fortune to me. Texas stays period.

  264. Mikki Mousse

    We erred, some people told us, when we pointed out that leaving the union would have left a $32.9 billion hole in the state's 2011-12 budget but failed to note also that the Internal Revenue Service took $198.3 billion from Texans and their businesses.

    Giving up the $32.9 billion but keeping the $198.3 billion would leave Texas ahead by $165.4 billion. That's a good deal any day, these folks pointed out.

    Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/11/20/4429851/a-peaceful-texas-secession-would.html#storylink=cpy.

  265. The Great Send Off

    If Texas has a problem with a majority rule democratic society, they will continue to have that problem even if they become a country. One other consideration – Texas was once a part of Mexico; do you think Mexico will sit by and not attempt to repossess Texas? Further, how would Texas fair with such a movement since many of its citizens are Mexicans? The problem that Texas has needs to be further analyzed before moving toward separation from the Union. Once all of its citizens fully understand what is happening, and agree, let them go. No one should be kept by force where they don't want to be. However, American Citizenship should be offered to those Texans who wish to remain a part of the U.S. along with a right of passage and moving ecxpenses to be paid by the Texas government.