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So, Was Candy Crowley Wrong On Obama’s Libya Remarks?

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Was Candy Crowley wrong last night in her assertion that the President had indeed referred to the attack in Benghazi that left four Americans dead as “terror”? Depending on who you ask, the answer changes.

Allegations that Candy Crowley was both wrong and influenced the debate’s outcome have been slung from the right all morning as America wakes up, checks in online, and weighs in on Twitter.

And, indeed, whether or not Candy Crowley was wrong in her assertion, the exchange proved to be both the most memorable of the debate as well as a large blow for Romney during the live fact-check.

As we reported last night, Candy Crowley, the debate’s moderator, halted Romney in his tracks as he tried to claim that President Obama hadn’t labeled the attack to be an act of terror. (Why nomenclature is so important to Romney remains to be seen.)

Romney was stunned when Crowley almost immediately interrupted, saying:

“He did in fact call it an ‘act of terror.’ “

What Obama did say in remarks made in the White House Rose Garden following the attacks was:

“No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America.”

President Obama interrupted Gov. Romney to assert that he’d made the comment, and, when Candy Crowley confirmed he had, Obama quipped:

“Can you say that a little louder?”

So, was Candy Crowley “wrong,” as many on the right are crowing this morning? The moderator herself stopped by CNN after the debate to expound upon why she stepped in to correct Romney and to clarify her intercedence. Crowley said:

“I heard the president speak at the time. I, sort of, reread a lot of stuff about Libya because I knew we’d probably get a Libya question so I kind of wanted to be up on it … I knew that the president had said, you know, these acts of terror won’t stand. Or, whatever the whole quote was.”

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Crowley continues:

“Right after that I did turn around and say, but you’re totally correct that they spent two weeks telling us this was about a tape and that that there was this riot outside the Benghazi consulate which there wasn’t … He was right in the main, I just think he picked the wrong word.”

So, while Candy Crowley was not wrong, it also seems Mitt Romney picked an unwise hill to die on during last night’s debate.

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220 Responses to “So, Was Candy Crowley Wrong On Obama’s Libya Remarks?”

  1. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    I just went back and looked at the transcipt of Obama speaking of Libya in the Rose Garden and while he did call it an attack, he did not call it terroism or an act of terrior. That comment as Romney said, came about 2 weeks later.

  2. David Johnston

    Kim: "Why nomenclature is so important to Romney remains to be seen."

    One also has to wonder why is nomenclature important enough to Ms. Crowley to interrupt the point Romney was making, which she says was "right in the main"? That seems to me to be something that you would clarify after letting someone speak. Also, if you want to get extremely technical with the language, Obama did not call the attack terrorism when he said, "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." That does not directly label the attack terrorism, it's just a comment on terrorism. He could have been talking about any act of terrorism.

    If nomenclature was so important to Ms. Crowley, perhaps she would also know that Obama did not refer to the attack as terrorism, but just referred to terrorism in general during his comments.

  3. David Johnston

    I would also add that I don't think it's right to call this an act of terror, either. It was just an attack, period. The victims were not civilians, and the attack was carried out directly against the government of the United States, not the people. So in that regard, I disagree with Romney and Obama.

  4. Kim LaCapria

    It seemed significant because Romney was attempting to slur the President based on semantics. And Crowley corrected him, semantically. It seems like originally Romney was splitting hairs, and Crowley was like "well, if you wanna split hairs…"

  5. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Oh and that was Crowleys job right? The only time Obama mentioned terror was near the end of his speech where he said no act of terror ect. But it wasn't really like he considered Libya anything more than an attack. At any rate what I was wondering more than anything is why Obama did not send more help for them when asked? I mean with it being 911 and such. Oh, and both Obama and Romney made several staements based on semantics.

  6. Roger Macdonald

    You can watch CNN News clip presenting President Obama's speech in which he called Benghazi consulate attack as act of terror on September 12, 2012; here:
    archive_DOT_org/details/CNNW_20120912_190000_CNN_Newsroom#start/153/end/183
    In contrast to the assertion of Governor Romney.

  7. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria it was a tough debate. They were slurring each other. Usually that's what happens during a debate of that magnitude. I think both guys were doing what they felt they needed to do considering we are so close to election. All in all it was a good debate.

  8. Cindy DeAngelo

    Crowley is by far the worst moderator yet. Epic Fail, she was supposed to be a Modirator not a commentator.

  9. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria LBJ made a nasty statement in 1964 while pushing the civil rights bill to win more votes since blacks were then voting at a higher number than before. He boasted to Robert McMillan that if he'd pass that civil rights bill he'd have them n- – – – – voting democrat for the next 200 years! Sad part is, it worked. So yeah, lies and deceit on both sides. Always has been. Some are just more important.

  10. Garrett Bradford

    Kim, there was no splitting hairs. President Obama did not directly refer to the attack as terrorism in the Rose Garden. Candy was absolutely wrong to interject and side with the president.

  11. Jeff Lanser

    The only reason this has become an argument on "semantics" is because Obama's team has been dancing around the issue. It was evident when Biden said in his debate that "we" did not have information about the security issues in Libya prior to the event. They later had to retract that statement to say only Biden and Obama did not have the information. Obama did much the same sort of word games in the debate last night and hence Romney was trying to make sure EXACTLY what Obama was trying to say at various times during the evening. The same verbal gymnastics were on display when discussing the oil production on public lands as Obama was attempting to refute Romney's claim which was true in fact.

  12. Kim LaCapria

    Because my article is not about the Rose Garden speech, it is about the debate. But you may be interested in Obama's remarks on September 13:

    "Let me say at the outset that obviously our hearts are heavy this week — we had a tough day a couple of days ago, for four Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Libya. Yesterday I had a chance to go over to the State Department to talk to friends and colleagues of those who were killed. And these were Americans who, like so many others, both in uniform and civilians, who serve in difficult and dangerous places all around the world to advance the interests and the values that we hold dear as Americans.

    And a lot of times their work goes unheralded, doesn't get a lot of attention, but it is vitally important. We enjoy our security and our liberty because of the sacrifices that they make. And they do an outstanding job every single day without a lot of fanfare. (Applause.)

    So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. (Applause.) I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.) "

  13. Kathy Hooberry

    You are obviously taking what he said out of context. You are ignoring his videos for two weeks saying it was the video. $70,000 spent apologizing for the video on Pakistan TV Hillary Clinton. Obama blaming it on the video at the UN. Libya was coming out and saying it was a terrorist attack when Obama was still blaming the video. The State Dept listened to the attack while it was occurring and Obama lied and still claimed it was the video for almost two weeks!!

  14. Emmett Clark

    Candy Crowley should have done her job and keep her mouth shut. I wanted to hear what Obama had to say on this not her. She should never be allowed to do another debate.

  15. Kathy Hooberry

    The Obama administration and Obama lied to the families of the men killed in Benghazi they were last told it was the video.

  16. Kim LaCapria

    In what universe do you live in that the full reasons behind a consulate attack are immediately apparent and investigated? These things take time to determine. That doesn't make not having all the information a lie.

  17. Kathy Hooberry

    Let's go with your weak spin…Why than is he publicly lying to the American people and saying it was the video if the investigation is not over yet and he has no idea what happened?

  18. Kim LaCapria

    This is not spin, and the clip is a woman discussing her feelings. This does not indicate anything other than the woman wants answers that are not available yet. She is grieving her son and angry. That does not mean the president lied.

  19. Kathy Hooberry

    You still did not answer why the president went out and lied to the American people saying it was the video when the investigation is not over and he has no idea what happened yet.

  20. Kim LaCapria

    So far as I can recall, EVERYONE thought the video sparked the attack for a very long time after it occurred. It was all over the news. That doesn't make it a lie, it makes it the information we had at the time. Very different.

  21. Kathy Hooberry

    The president LIED and blamed it on the video. The State Dept listened to the attack while it was occurring and they knew it was a terrorist attack they had it on video. Not only did they have it on video Libya had it on video and said it was a terrorist attack. Where did the lie come from that it was sparked by a video…from the president??? That is what he told the American people for two weeks, told the UN, told the parents of the men who died in Benghazi, and spent $70,000 dollars to apologize on Pakistan TV for the video. Had Rice come out and she spent all day on a Sunday saying it was because of the video.

  22. Kathy Hooberry

    Your spinning this…they are going on what was reported from the White House administration. I am asking you if the investigation is not over why is the president coming out and lying to the American people that it was the video when the investigation isn't over yet?

  23. Connie Redfield

    SO WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL PEOPLE????? THIS IS A PLAY ON WORDS……!!!!!TERROR…TERRORISM,,,,,IS THAT WHAT ALL THE GOP IS WHINING ABOUT?? CAN NOT ACCEPT WHEN THEY ARE CORRECTED. GOOD LORD….!!!!!!!

  24. Kathy Hooberry

    The protests broke out after the president publicly blamed it on the video. Some of these protests were for the release of the Blind Sheik and was blamed on the video on the news. I want to know why your network is not pressuring the WH for the truth on Benghazi.

  25. Kathy Hooberry

    You might start asking the WH why was the ambassador in a safe house 409 miles by plane and almost 1000 miles by roads from the only embassy in Libya which is Tripoli. What was he doing in a safe house in Benghazi in an unarmoured car (which all US officials are required to be in). Here is the official list of embassies and there is no official embassy consulate in Benghazi….http://www.usembassy.gov/

  26. John Swinson

    You Liberals need to understand the debate suppose to be between Barrack Obama and Mitt Romney, not Candy Crowley and Barrack Obama against Mitt Romney, and the fact that Barrack Obama was calling it a
    spontaneous attack because of an american citizen exercising their right of freedom of speech instead of it a terrorist attack is a very big deal.

  27. John Smith

    a big point is she should not have commented at all. why did she not say one word during the other 90 minutes while both candidates are playing with the truth. not a word.
    she should be fired.

  28. John Swinson

    Even though, I do dispute the fact that are a good writer, but having served in Armed Forces for thirty years I do understand a few things about security. And instead of reporters tring to assist a particular candiate in winning the position, they would be holding true to their obigation of reporting the news by reporting the facts not plays on words. The question that all news reporters should be asking is where were the American Security Forces. Americans are responisble for protecting the sovereignty of the United States, which a embassy is the property of the United States and should have been guarded by American Troops which there is no evidence that any Americans were there to protect the Ambassador. So you reporters instead of tring to hold a man(Barrack Obama) on a pedestal should do your jobs which is to report to truth in an unbiased way, and ask the tough questions, but I quess you are unable to do that because it may make some politician whom you support look bad. THE TRUTH SOMETIMES HURTS.

  29. Anonymous

    Its as if the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and two weeks later the government was still debating the role the Togonese or Latvians had in the attacks and whether or not their intentions were due to their disapproval of the manner in which asians are portrayed in the Micado. The PRESIDENT IS the commander in chief, shouldn't he know who is attacking us and why. not two weeks later.

  30. Kim LaCapria

    John, this article is NOT about the situation in Benghazi. It is about the debate. Hence, I wrote about the debate. Good writers stay on topic.

  31. Kim LaCapria

    Kathy Hooberry World media overwhelmingly reported the unrest as related to the video. CNN, Fox, MSNBC, AL Jazeera, BBC, The Guardian, I could go on. The idea this information came from the White House is false and deliberately misleading. Ironically.

  32. John Swinson

    What you said Kim, serves to prove our point, if Mitt Romney was slurring, which I myself do not believe to be case, the President it was the Presidents place to call it, not Candy Crowley's place to protect the President. The moderater is suppose to not interfere in the process of the debat. Candy Crowley cut Mitt Romney off 28 times to Obama's 8 times. So where is any of what she did right. Like I say report the facts.

  33. John Swinson

    You are on that, but good do not parse words, manipuate words, or pharses to change a meaning of a statement either, and that is exactualy what Candy Crowley did and you are tring to circle the wagons around her to protect her, and from the way I see it that makes as guilty as she is. Be Bold stand on your own two feet and report the truth. Do that will serve to make you a dynamite reporter, one that can be trusted.

  34. Kim LaCapria

    My guess would be that Candy Crowley checked the transcript as asked and stated what she saw. I do not believe a debate moderator would attempt to weight the outcome by interfering. I cannot think of any analogous situations to compare it to.

  35. Anonymous

    @ Connie Redfield … it's a very big deal. He threw a guy in jail that made a silly little trailer for a movie that nobody saw. You think it is just a play on words for that guy? Obama spent $75,000 to apologize to Pakistanis on Pakistani television regarding the video. He never in any way inferred he believed it was a terrorist attack and his response should have be totally different if he did. Did you read a single newspaper in the past two weeks?

  36. Kim LaCapria

    Romney was far more aggressive in cutting Obama off in the first debate, and I think this was a pendulum swing from that. But a ref can call foul on a hit, why can't a moderator call foul? The fact that Obama said to check the transcript suggests this was okayed by both parties ahead of time.

  37. Kim LaCapria

    Kathy Hooberry I would imagine the information came from on-the-scene reports, intelligence and so on and so forth, the same information that informed… oh, the entire world? How did anyone know about September 11th, Hurricane Katrina, etc? The White House is not where information comes from. Often times we all must rely on news.

  38. Kathy Hooberry

    Did Candy Crowley have a copy of the transcript and if so how did Obama know she had a copy of the transcript?

  39. Anonymous

    @David Johnston – What branch of the military was Ambassador Chris Steven in?

  40. Kim LaCapria

    Kathy Hooberry And come to that, I was visiting my in-laws in Ireland on September 11th. I was devastated when I watched the news and found out that at home, 10,000 people had died as per the mayor. We later learned it was 3,000 people. Did Giuliani lie, or do politicians have to do the best they can with the information available at the time before it can reasonably be determined what happened?

  41. Anonymous

    @Kim LaCapria – Semantics????? You must be joking. The President made it clear last night that he considered it a terrorist attack from the beginning … in the Rose Garden. The facts are clear. Crowley defended the President in his incorrect assertion. He sent out his minions to say it was a spontaneous reaction to a video clip for two weeks. I can dislike Romney all I want but have to admit what he stated is factual.

  42. Anonymous

    @Kim LaCapria – Has the 'film maker' of that little video been released from jail yet? And why didn't Maher go to jail for his movie attacking every religion on the planet?

  43. Jeff Lanser

    Kim LaCapria – All the references you have linked and all the stories that were reported by the major networks were secondary information. There actually WERE reports (using news released video feeds that I saw on TV) that identified the attack as an organized assault and not a result of mob violence. EVERY news report concerning Bengazi that mentioned the video was based on secondary information (the White House's claim) and not primary sources. So who were the PRIMARY sources (I want specifics) that identified the video as the cause. Why won't the White House divulge the source of this theory? I was listening to Glenn Beck on the radio two days after the attack and he had concrete evidence that the attack was not mob violence but was instead an organized assault. Are you telling me that Glenn Beck has better intel than President Obama and his administration?? The President and his administration intentionally misled the American people and you and his media cronies are protecting him for some odd reason. Are you not curious why? I am.

  44. Jeff Lanser

    Kim LaCapria – Kim, here is the Rheuters video feed that most everyone had access to on the web. Notice that these attackers are carrying RPGs and other weapons that are definitely uncharacteristic of an impromptu "mob". Notice the date on this video is September 11, 2012.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgClKiM2eSs

  45. Tony Medina

    @ Connie Redfield Its a major deal because you cant and wont fight terrorism if you do not acknowledge its existance!

  46. Rhonda Dudley Jones

    Let's not forget that the original question to the President was never answered: Why was increased security to the embassy denied? Mission accomplished, Mr. President. Great job at evading, as usual.

  47. Ronald Wieck

    Is it possible that some people posting here can't distinguish between a spontaneous outburst of violence and a planned terrorist attack? We have known for weeks that there were NO spontaneous demonstrations in Libya. Susan Rice appeared on five TV shows denouncing the video that no Americans saw. Obama could not bring himself to ascribe the murders to Islamist terrorism. On September 25, he ranted about that video in his speech to the U.N. Last night, in front of a national audience, he lied outright: he DID NOT claim on September 12 that there had been a terror attack in Benghazi.

  48. Anthony Jeziorski

    Mitt forced Crowley to step in because he would not follow the rules to keep the debate moving along…

  49. Ivan Verez

    Crowley broke her own rules and so did Michele Obama for applauding during the debate, ohh but the media haven't mentioned that.

  50. Jeff Lanser

    Kim LaCapria – I am only speculating but I would say the benefit to the Obama administration to blame this on a video was intended to distract the American people away from the idea that terrorism (and Al Qaida) is alive and well in Northern Africa. It also would steer the attention away from the lack of security forces in Benghazi which was also the fault of this administration. There was obvious reason (IMHO) to distract the media and the American public.

    What seems most concerning is how easily the main stream media had been duped. For shame….

  51. Steve Gilchrist

    Who is this Candy Crowley everybody's talking about? I saw Obama, Mitt Romney and Meat Loaf in drag on that stage. Not sure why Meat Loaf was moderating a debate, but clearly he'll still do anything for love.

    Why in the world did Meat Loaf have a transcript of the Rose Garden speech, and why did Obama have advance knowledge that of all the transcripts she might just happen to have with her, she happened to have just that one? Was that just a lucky guess on Obama's part? "Check the transcript, Meat Loaf." "Okay, Mr. President." (Michelle O. claps) "I happen to have that transcript, and the president appears to be correct." Obama: "Can you say that a little louder?"

    Look, I really don't care about the hair-splitting arguments about whether or not Obama labeled the attack "terrorism" in the Rose Garden. I want to know how he and Meat Loaf set up that transcript gag.

    From where I'm sitting, it looks like Obama was so embarrassed from Romney smoking his a$$ in the first debate (and so was Meat Loaf) so they got together before debate #2 and did a little good old fashioned cheating. My question, ultimately, is why did they have to be so obvious about it?

  52. Kim LaCapria

    Well, I suppose it is okay for you to attack her based on looks given the fact you are clearly a male model. Don't you have an Abercrombie shoot to go to?

  53. James Bennett

    He danced around the point. He mentioned the concept of terrorist attacks, without actually weighing in on it.

  54. Jill Barker Longstaff

    I believe this was all planned. How did Crowley come up with the transcript so quickly? She was totally out of line and unprofessional. I guess this is the only was President Obama can play……unfairly.

  55. Garrett Bradford

    The information came from the White House the day after the attacks, the media did not blame the video before the Administration brought it up because there was no reason to do so. There was ZERO information or intelligence that would relate this coordinated attack to a random protest that got out of hand. Besides, who says, "Hey honey load up the kids and head down to the protest at the US Consolate. Don't forget the RPG's, AK47's and mortars!" If the whitehouse is basing it's intelligence on news stories than we truly are screwed…. Romney wasn't just "somewhat right", he was absolutely correct in saying that neither the president, nor the administration clearly stated this an act of terror for a very long time. The reason blaming this attack on the video helps the President is that he doesn't have to take the blame. Obama has tried to convince us that his appeasement of the Muslim world has decreased violence, when in fact the radicals hate America and Obama more than they ever have.

  56. Danny King

    I thonk Cndy did the worst job in history. never had control, leans in favor of Obama all night both in time and in the one big comment which she had no authority to make and if she felt compelled to make it should have put it in it's full context. Just simply did a bad job.

  57. Mike Soracchi

    ROMNEY (in the debate): it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

    OBAMA (in Rose Garden one day after the attack):

    "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. " Note in the second sentence in the paragraph he says "mourn four more Americans" clearly this paragraph is about Benghazi. The paragraphs is about Benghazi and says "act of terror" and the speech was given one day after the attack NOT fourteen as Romney asserted.

    In the debate Romney said "it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an ACT OF TERROR. Romney did not say Terrorism as many of you are stating while playing a semantics game. Romney was wrong. Period. Obama said "… act of terror" on 9/12 which is ONE day after the attack. He went on to say "act of terror" two more times on the 12th and 13th when speaking about Benghazi. ROMNEY made a major blunder in the debate. He f^(ked up, deal with it. Take some personal f^(king responsibility.

  58. Mike Soracchi

    You are wrong Debbie. Romney did not say terrorism. Even in your semantic word game you are wrong.

    ROMNEY (in the debate): it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an ACT OF TERROR.

    OBAMA (in Rose Garden one day after the attack):

    "NO ACTS OF TERROR…"

  59. Mike Soracchi

    and Romney agreed to the rules of the debate which stated that the candidates would not address questions to one another which he did first and frequently in a quite rude and obnoxious manner. Is he too good to honor his own word or does he get special 1% rules?

  60. Mike Soracchi

    and Romney agreed to the rules of the debate which stated that the candidates would not address questions to one another which he did first and frequently in a quite rude and obnoxious manner. Is he too good to honor his own word or does he get special 1% rules?

  61. Mike Soracchi

    Sure like when he Bush administration was stating that we were attacked on 9/11 by Saddam Hussein and Iraq over two years after 9/11/01 when using that for a reason to start an unnecessary war in Iraq. The Benghazi attack was not a State sanctioned attack, we are not going to war over it. We will as the president stated hunt down the guilty parties.

  62. Mike Soracchi

    How about Romney lies, you seem to have infinite tolerance for those?

  63. Mike Soracchi

    It would serve voters more if a fact checking panel were present to correct candidates in debates. This way politicians would pay a big price for being untruthful in debates. We the voting public would be better served if all candidates were more truthful.

  64. Mike Soracchi

    The film maker went to jail because he was on probation for stealing very large amounts of money from people through computer aided fraud. The conditions for his parole indicated he was not allowed to use use a computer to access the internet. He used the internet to post the video thus he violated his parole. He was a felon who violated his parole.

  65. Mike Soracchi

    Garrett Bradford the video reports were from The New York Times not the White House. The Video was actually causing protests all over the Muslim World concurrently with the Libya attack. In addition to the attack in Libya the White House and the State Department also needed to address the FACT that there were potentially dangerous protests going on all over the Muslim World and endangering other Americans.

  66. Mike Soracchi

    Protests were occurring all over the Muslim world over the video, Egypt, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Beirut, Tunisia and on and on and on even some protests in Tripoli, Libya. No one lied, there is no conspiracy. There were initial NY Times reports indicating that there was a protest in Benghazi. The US sent the FBI to investigate Benghazi but they were not allowed to get to the compound for three weeks. The administration gave us the best information that they had at the time, as they stated a number of times even as they were distributing the information. THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY. Even if the Administration knew and stated it was a terrorist attack the same day, the four Americans were already dead. It wouldn't have changed the outcome one bit.

    If the government knew definitively that it was terrorism earlier has anyone considered that maybe just maybe there might be good strategic reasons not to reveal it immediately, for instance if we knew it was terrorists maybe keeping that information close to the vest might aid us in surprising them to capture and hold them accountable? Maybe providing additional safety for our servicemen and women assigned to that dangerous task?

    Stop looking for political advantage on this. Romney blundered his way into a stupid mistake in the debate. It showed poor planning for him to go into the debate with a "gotcha" line which was not based in fact. He got slammed because he didn't confirm his facts. Poor planning, poor strategy, poor decision.

    Romney got hosed because he screwed up. He had a bad strategy and it failed. This says more about his suitability for this office than it does about anything else.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&ved=0CHYQtwIwCg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld-middle-east-19625167&ei=-beBULr3KaaV0QHRgIH4Bg&usg=AFQjCNHtpPH6fmxxJAIcyjBw2VzWjVHEjQ&sig2=_3t0_a3GNWkIhrKBltImLQ

  67. Mike Soracchi

    They are not the moderator's rules. The rules are set by the presidential debate commission which negotiates with the campaigns. The campaigns then agree to the rules they set with the presidential debate commission.

  68. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi what Romney said was THIS WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK! Go back and watch that debate. But more importantly tell me why the president did not send more security to the consulate when they requested it? He never did really answer that question. As a matter of fact it is public knowledge that he had just prior decreased their security. I suppose it's easier to let Mrs. Clinton throw herself under the bus for that, huh!

  69. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria you know what everybody is really ticked off about more so than the verbage is the fact that the president had just cut security to the consulate,they were asking for more security, then 3 days later they are dead and he won't even answer the question as to why he did not send more security even in light of it being 911. That is what bothers me more than anything either one of them said about the matter. It's what Obama did not do and now what he will not say about it. Maybe he could borrow Ms. Clinton's set! He sure let her throw herself under the bus for him!

  70. Kim LaCapria

    Debbie Faircloth Carter I don't understand then why Republicans are attacking the president's choice of words then. What was the point of that whole segue, this whole conversation, if you are really mad about something else entirely? Why not HONESTLY STATE YOUR ISSUE instead of lying about what the President provably said? I don't understand anything about that tactic at all. All it did was waste ALL OF OUR TIME.

  71. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    It could have had a different outcome if Obama had not recently cut their security and then denied them additional security when requested! Tell their families that there would have been no different outcome.

  72. Garrett Bradford

    Kim is delusional. Her political beliefs have blinded her and she has proven she can't be objective on this topic. Nobody in their right mind could honestly say this Administration definitively declared these attacks terrorist attacks. And they undoubtably blamed it on the video when that wasn't the case. The administration BLATANTLY lied to Americans. This is so obvious Kim!!!!! PLEASE admit this. Your objectivity is in serious question here and if you want to write that's quite important…. Oh, unless you want to write for the Huffington Post. After reading your comments I'm sure that's your dream job though.

  73. Kim LaCapria

    I am watching the President say exactly what I am saying he said in a YouTube video. It happened. What are you not getting?

    One of the top comments reads:

    "Obama never "blames the video" for the attacks. After the attacks there was legitimate confusion whether the attacks were spontaneous or planned, and the President was absolutely correct to wait until the intelligence had been assessed prior to commenting on that. The President immediately condemned both the attacks and the violent protests in the Muslim world ignited by "Innocence of Muslims". He was right to do both, so please spare us your incoherent conspiratorial theories."

    Watch the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc

  74. Kim LaCapria

    Garrett Bradford And if the choice is between a President who understands foreign affairs and won't wrongly blame a country and one that can't even find Libya on a map, you know who has my vote.

  75. Kim LaCapria

    Garrett Bradford "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America." -President Barack Obama

  76. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Rob Brewer yes Rob is delusional! Those men said they needed help! Bottom line. Obama denied them. They're dead. Then during the debate he would not even answer that woman's question as to why! He knew it was wrong. That's why he now is allowing Mrs. Clinton to take the blame.She's got a set of B- –s he needs to borrow! Maybe then he could also quit apologizing to China!

  77. Garrett Bradford

    Kim, you can argue that you're technically correct about that quote, and you may be. How on earth can you say there's no cover up or scandal here? Every news network, Congress, and anyone with a brain has come to terms that Americans were lied to.. Oh and you're quoting a top Youtube comment to prove your point? I can't understand that move….. The Administration misled us. They knew from the start that this was not "spontaneous violence". Americans are dead here Kim, brave Americans. Men who gave their lives in preservation of peace. I am baffled that anyone could think the administration handled this tragedy well. Answer this; DO YOU THINK THE ADMINISTRSTION HANDLED THIS WELL? That is a yes or no question.

  78. Mike Soracchi

    If you are looking to assign blame, congress cut the funding, and had more spending cuts planned. They did not ask for help in Benghazi, Libya the help was requested at the Embassy in Tripoli, Libya which is hundreds of miles away. Those decisions are made by the State Department not the President. It would at least help your argument if you could get basic facts right. Your outraged because you want to be outraged. Try getting facts.

  79. Mike Soracchi

    The consulate did not request more security. The Embassy in Tripoli, Libya which is hundreds of miles away requested additional security. The request was made to the State Department ans was being handled by the State Department as it is their responsibility. Congress cut security funding and had additional funding cuts planned, be mad at congress if you want to blame someone.

  80. Mike Soracchi

    You really have no knowledge whatsoever it seems. No. The moderator does not create the debate rules. The presidential debate commission sets the rules for the debate. That IS who sets the rules.

  81. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi I did not say the moderator sets the rules. I said that both candidates broke the rules and so did Candy. So Mike, and I mean this in a kind way- Bite me.

  82. Mike Soracchi

    You deleted the post my comment immediatly above responded to. You had two posts in succession, now you have only one talking about "both broke most of the rules", you deleted the post that immediately preceded that one.

  83. Mike Soracchi

    Also from CNN – "two senior State Department officials told reporters that U.S. and Libyan security personnel in Benghazi were out-manned, and that no reasonable security presence could have fended off the assault."

  84. Mike Soracchi

    So Rob Brewer there were not protests going on all over the Muslim world because of the video? There sure are a lot of news clips and articles about protests in all those other cities.

  85. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria meanwhile the Ambassador and the people at the consulate are massaging the U.S. frequently and telling them that they don't know how much longer they can hang in there. They were telling of the situation they were in becoming increasingly dangerous to the point that for the first time they were scared. That was months before the video or the attack.

  86. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter The quote:

    ROMNEY (in the debate): "it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."

    Is a direct quote from Romney during the debate. Romney was wrong. He said "act of terror" and the president has specifically called Benghazi an act of terror three times on 9/12 and 9/13 in different speeches.

    Romney screwed up. He was wrong.

  87. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Garrett Bradford I agree. And the White House did know that there was a problem at the Consulate way before the video or the attack. Months before Chris and others at the consulate had messaged the White House to say that things were getting increasingly more dangerous and that they did not know how much longer they could maintain. They said that for the first time they were actually scared.

  88. Mike Soracchi

    It confuses the discussion when you delete your comment in which you indicated that the Moderator sets the rules. Then I respond to it, then you delete the comment. Then post saying that you never said that the moderator sets the rules. The two posts you had were completely different lengths the one you left was a single line, the one you deleted was three lines, it would have been hard to mistake them as a double post.

  89. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria Yep he says that same thing every time one of ours get killed. He is the Commander in Chief. He says Chris was a good friend of his and that he spoke with him on a regular basis. I as well as others, find it hard to believe that he did not know that they needed help. There had been much correspondence to the fact that things were getting more dangerous. If he was speaking to Chris as he said, he knew and yet as Commander in Chief and President did nothing and that was months before the video or attack.

  90. Mike Soracchi

    Candi addressed this in an interview immediately, and I mean immediately after the debate. She knew she was going to get questions on it and had reviewed the issue. She is after all a Professional Journalist who was about to moderate a very high profile debate in front of 65 mil Americans. See 9:40 in the clip here –> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MehBH4rbsPk&noredirect=1

  91. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria unless you are more open minded I'm thinking as a writer Fiction will be your forte". I have ideas and opinions that I feel strongly about also. However, I am always open to learning, investigating and researching. Sometimes I could be(Lord help me for saying it) wrong. So could you.

  92. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria you know why to some it makes sense to mislead people. That's how you sway people into doing things that they would not otherwise do. Or to form ideas and opinions based on false information to benefit another or their cause.

  93. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria did you know that the media is crazy during an election? They release info that they get from White House officials. Do you think that White House officials always give info as it truly is, or maybe as they would like us to think it is. For example when Lockheed Martin was going to have a massive layoff the White House officials told them not to release that info until after the election. Wonder why?

  94. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter here is the debate transcript. Romney, prior to being corrected said "act of terror" each time not terrorism, Romney screwed up.

    [ Obama:
    ...And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not what I do as commander in chief. ]

    CROWLEY: Governor, if you want to…

    ROMNEY: Yes, I — I…

    CROWLEY: … quickly to this please.

    ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. <—–

    OBAMA: That's what I said.

    ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror<—–. It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying?

    OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror. <—–

    OBAMA: Get the transcript.

    CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

    CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

    The facts don't support your beliefs. Romney screwed up.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/politics/fact-check-crowley-critics-debate/index.html

  95. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria every original report came right out of the White House to the News via White House News Correspondence. And you're right, that was all we had to go on at the time but the White House has sure been spinning one story after another since. Some things we have to research on our own Kim.

  96. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi umm Mike, Bush is no longer president nor is he running. Repeating history is not going to help us move forward. It's simple. The president messed up! Yes, a lot of them have. But their not running right now and we can't undo history.

  97. Mike Soracchi

    Not quite accurate Debbie, with Romney we will exactly be repeating history. Although Bush is not running Romney's whole team of foreign affairs advisors is the same team Bush used. Under Romney, the same people who got 911 so much more wrong will be put back in charge. The same team that two years, not two weeks after an event still hadn't sorted it all out, even though the rest of the world had already determined Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with 911. The commander in chief relies on advisors to supply him with information. If Belmore is so concerned about this team if he has any consistency he should be far more concerned about Romney's (Bush's) team, they got things much more wrong.

  98. Mike Soracchi

    Candy addressed this in an interview immediately, and I mean immediately after the debate. She knew she was going to get questions on it and had reviewed the issue. She is after all a Professional Journalist who was about to moderate a very high profile debate in front of 65 mil Americans. See 9:40 in the clip here –> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MehBH4rbsPk&noredirect=1

  99. Mike Soracchi

    I have to agree with Kim. Who are you to be throwing stones about appearance. You're quite the looker there Pork Chop.

  100. Steve Gilchrist

    Hey, wait a minute! I LIKE Meat Loaf. What's this business about attacks? Are you impugning Meat Loaf, me, Meat's doppelgänger Crowley and other persons of size?

    Bigots.

  101. Steve Gilchrist

    Oh. Riiiiiiight. That's why he spent two solid weeks blowing smoke about that video, when all the while he knew it was terrorism. If he knew it was terror why did he lie to the world about the dumb video for 2 weeks? Romney simply had the same reaction every sane, honest person who was paying attention to the administration's straight-faced denial that any act of terrorism had occurred. These denials lasted the whole month of September. If Obama actually did call it an act of terror the very next day, that only makes his subsequent mountain of lies all the more blatantly shameless.

  102. Mike Soracchi

    I am glad that there is something we can agree on. Of course the candidates will never let it happen. It would however be very helpful in the debates if in the middle of telling the American People something with no basis in fact that a candidate would be immediately corrected, publicly with supporting documentation. It would really raise the stakes on lying to us which could only help us actually solve the challenges we face.

  103. Mike Soracchi

    Who's delusional?

    Fox Admits Libya Attack May Have Been Caused By Anti-Muslim Video –> http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/20/1049311/fox-admits-libya-caused-by-video/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNoiTgssSU&feature=player_embedded#!

    There are scores of videos and articles detailing all the protests around the world as a result of the video, here are two of the many. It actually happened, no delusion.

    The worldwide protests against anti-Islam film Innocence of Muslims: By the numbers –> http://theweek.com/article/index/233439/the-worldwide-protests-against-anti-islam-film-innocence-of-muslims-by-the-numbers

    Embassies targeted as protests against 'Innocence of Muslims' film spread –> http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/embassies-targeted-as-protests-against-innocence-of-muslims-film-spread-1.4002175

  104. Mike Soracchi

    I'll look for the source but it actually is almost all. Especially the senior level advisors.

    Even the newspaper in Salt Lake City doesn't believe Romney is a good choice. As well as Tampa Bay home of the Republican convention. They're all seeing something when they view this objectively that you are missing because of partisan blinders. I would have had a tough decision if the Republicans had run Huntsman. Mitt is an easy decision. Not to be trusted. He'll say whatever it take to whomever to get the office.

    Salt Lake Tribune Endorsement: Too Many Mitts – Obama has earned another term

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/55019844-82/endorsement-romney-obama-president.html.csp

    To quote Steve Warren in the comments following the Salt Lake Tribune endorsement:

    I note that in Illinois, where Obama served as an elected official, polls show him winning by a big margin.

    In Massachusetts, where Romney served as an elected official, polls show him losing by a big margin.

    Could there be a lesson there?

  105. Jill Barker Longstaff

    So what's your point Mike? She shouldn't have projected anything into the debate. You are actually verifying what I said about it being a set-up. She was ready immediately afterwards because she knew she would be questioned for her biased and unprofessional behavior.

  106. John Swinson

    Mike You need to get your facts straight, it is people like you who are condesending others that really get my blood boiling, FIRST YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. First thing, the Us embassy in any country is property of the United States, which means it is our place to protect not only it, but all the American Citizens in it. This has always been done before Obama by the United States Marines, now if they were there which they weren't you would either had a bunch of Marines dead along with the Ambassador or a bunch of dead terrorists which you will find neither
    because the Marines were not there. The Libyan Goverment building even had al-Qaida flags flying from goverment buildings, and it was the Libyan Government that was guarding our Ambassador. That is the problem with this theory. And may I add hearing stupid comments like your is spewing from the mouths of you Liberals make me disappointed that I served my Country in the Military for thirty years and while in two wars, to give you the freedom of speech to express your dumb self, by showing exactly what a self serving indivisual your really are. THOSE ARE OUR FELLOW AMERICANS WHO WERE KILLED AND ASSHOLES WANT TO DO IS COVER IT UP. But I quess I should not expect any different because that is the communist way.

  107. John Swinson

    Debbie if you look closely at the clip again you will notice, She did not say she had the script of the Rose Garden speech, but instead Obama asked for it. How could Obama have known that she had the script if it was not planned? He may smart, but I do not think he is that smart.

  108. Mike Soracchi

    When Obama said check the transcript he said it in his exchange with Romney to Romney. The simple fact is, if Romney had not used a non-factual statement to try to attack he would not have had a problem. It really doesn't matter how Candy was aware that what Romney said was untrue, Romney said something to try to make an attack, it was not true, there is objective evidence, tape and transcripts, to prove it. He got caught. Maybe he'll learn to check his facts and be more careful next time. You need to remember that it was the Romney campaign that said they were not going to let fact checkers get in their way. Kind of seems they weren't worried about being honest. Maybe this embarrassment will change their behavior for the better.

  109. Mike Soracchi

    7:33 in this clip. This was an exchange between Romney and Obama, Obama was responding to Romney's erroneous accusation and telling him to get the transcript. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXCghkNrfwY&feature=related It is your opinion that the moderator shouldn't address this, who cares, a moderator's role is to get a debate back on track when one participant is going off on a tangent, in this case Romney's erroneous accusations was a tangent. He was wrong. He should take responsibility for his failings.

  110. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi I heard the interview also. But before she did that interview she had already had a meeting with the top dogs from CNN about her behavior. She was covering her butt.

  111. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi all politicians tell lies. Some to keep people from panicking,some to benefit themselves or their party. Now on a more personal level I can tell you I see for myself that things are worse than I have seen in my life time. I see it in my life, my friends and families lives and in my neighbors lives. I don't care if the president is democrat or republican this time. I know we need a change now.

  112. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter What is your source? What time and what day was this meeting with the CNN top dogs? Who did she meet with at CNN? What was the purpose of the meeting? Sounds like bull since she did not do anything wrong, she simply made a point of fact to move the debate along, it was close to the end of time and Romney was wasting time pursuing an untrue assertion, a tangent, she had stated right before the debate question that she wanted to keep discussion brief. There wasn't really anything for "Top Dogs" to speak with her about.

  113. John Swinson

    Wrong again, Mike, if it had been in an exchange between Romney to Romney, why did Obama say" show him the transcript Candy"? So check your facts before you try and cover up for your Mesiah, also just so you know I realize he has you thinking he can walk on water, but that is not true.

  114. Mike Soracchi

    John Swinson What time mark does he say that in the video I linked?

  115. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi CNN knew immediately that Candy over stepped her boundries. After the debate while the men were shaking hands she was called to explain herself. All through her interview after the debate she was trying to explain herself. CNN seemed to be trying to help her smooth things over. I can't think of which one of the next interviews she gave where she said she met with CNN execs after the debate concerning her remark to Romney, but when I find it I will let you know. I can't blame her or CNN for trying to cover up her mistake. It was a big one that wasn't necessary. It was only something as important as the presidential debate. It seemed wrong to many. I think Candy should have just spoke up and said gentlemen we are moving on. Candy knew she messed up as soon as it popped out of her mouth. That is why she quickly tried to rectify it by saying, "but Mr. Romney you are right about…. I'd be willing to bet that Candy doesn't get to moderate another presidential debate.

  116. Mike Soracchi

    John Swinson I listened to the entire video, I believe you are not being honest, but I might have missed something. What time mark does he say that in the video I linked?

  117. Mike Soracchi

    I don't believe it was the wrong thing to do. I wish the moderators would call the candidates out more often when they are stating something that is not true. If the candidates cannot tell us the truth when they are running for office then we the voting public have a right to know about it. Mitt said 27 things that were untrue in 38 minutes in the first debate. He said 31 things that were not true in 41 minutes in the second debate. He was trying to make a knockout punch with an untrue attack. The fact that he did not know that what he was saying was untrue shows how poor his debate strategy was. It says more about Romney than it does about anyone else. CNN is backing Crowley they should she did the right thing, they have been rightly backing her for days.

  118. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria I haven't stated what the president probably said. We know what he said. We have a difference of opinion as to the context in which he said it. As are most people who are following this discussion.

  119. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter that is only your opinion and the facts do not support your beliefs. CNN is backing Crowley, they should she did the right thing, they have been rightly backing her for days. I don't believe it was the wrong thing to do. I wish the moderators would call the candidates out more often when they are stating something that is not true. If the candidates cannot tell us the truth when they are running for office then we the voting public have a right to know about it. Mitt said 27 things that were untrue in 38 minutes in the first debate. He said 31 things that were not true in 41 minutes in the second debate. He was trying to make a knockout punch with an untrue attack. The fact that he did not know that what he was saying was untrue shows how poor his debate strategy was. It says more about Romney than it does about anyone else.

  120. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi scroll back up Mike. It's still up there. It wasn't my comment. I did delete one because I posted the same thing twice. But go look. That comment is still there. Not me.

  121. Mike Soracchi

    I don't see the comment I am talking about. It was just above your comment "Mike Soracchi are you kidding? They both broke most of the rules as did Candy! ". It is not there anymore.

  122. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter then why are you still on about this stupid non-existent conspiracy. That is precisely what happened. Romney was not saying something that was true in trying to make an attack. He got called on it. He probably will make sure his facts are better in the next debate and the American public will be better served.

  123. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter glad to hear it, maybe now we can put this sill non-existent conspiracy behind us. A point of fact injected by the moderator was all that happened. Romney was not saying something that was true in trying to make an attack. He got called on it. He probably will make sure his facts are better in the next debate and the American public will be better served.

  124. John Swinson

    Mike I am going from your youtube video, I watched the debates and saw as it occured. That is the problems coverups because after awhile it requires another coverup. The truth is that it is apparent from the discussion of the debate that Obama knew Candy Crowley had the transcript before the fray, that is why he said confidenty go ahead Mr. Romney, and then he Mr. Obama said show him the transcript Candy. Candy Crowley had not mentioned the transcript, and as far as my being dishonest, I am not the one dishonest, Sir is you that is being dishonest.

  125. Mike Soracchi

    That's what I thought John. You are full of shit. The video of the debate is there. You are making shit up that never happened, that is why you cannot tell anyone where it occurred in the video. IT NEVER HAPPENED. You are just a lying. There is a link to the video, it is only about 9 minutes long. Go find where Obama said what you are saying he said. You won't be able to because it NEVER HAPPENED.

    Here is the transcript of the exchange. Obama said "Can you say that a little louder, Candy?"

    [ Obama:
    ...And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not what I do as commander in chief. ]

    CROWLEY: Governor, if you want to…

    ROMNEY: Yes, I — I…

    CROWLEY: … quickly to this please.

    ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

    OBAMA: That's what I said.

    ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying?

    OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

    OBAMA: Get the transcript.

    CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

    CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

    As you very well know, the facts and videotape of the debate don't support your lie.

  126. John Swinson

    David the reason that it is called a terror attack is because the attack was carried out by indivisuals representing no country. They use terorism as their means of warfare and that is the reason for them being called terorists. For instance, it is the same as the Viet Cong being call guerrillas because they used guerrilla warfare as their means fighting.

  127. John Swinson

    Just answer one question, when did Obama answer the mans question about who pulled the security for the ambassador out. You have what is sleight of hand and you fell for it. To answer the question I asked you, He Obam never answered the mans questioned, but instead talked about thing but the question.

  128. Mike Soracchi

    Both candidates dodged numerous questions in the debate. On that I will agree with you. The political art of dodging questions is allowed and we the citizens let them get away with it. If we as Voters stopped tolerating it then candidates would stop doing it. If we allowed moderators to stop the candidate doing the dodging, admonish the candidate and then restate the question that would probably put a quick end to it also. Both Romney and Obama were guilty of dodging the questions from the audience members.

  129. Mike Soracchi

    Debbie Faircloth Carter Sure things are bad. But the bad that you are seeing has more to do with the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts (unfunded), starting two very expensive wars, passing a very expensive prescription drug benefit, deregulating the banking industry, eliminating bankruptcy protections, eliminating usury laws, cutting Investigative staffing in the Securities and Exchange commission. The complete freeze up of credit to both consumers and business. The collapse of the world financial markets. The deepest and fastest loss of jobs during any recession since the great depression. All these things happened before 2009. They began to be reversed beginning in 2009. The hole we were in was just so huge, it takes a long time to reverse the level of damage that was done to our economy since we were running surpluses in 2000. In August/September of 2008 we were days if not hours from total global financial collapse. Once that started a domino effect would have happened. That's how bad things were in 2008. We were on the precipice of something far worse than the great depression. Luckily we seem to have avoided that, but things are still perilously fragile. Another round of tax cuts we cannot afford will likely push us over the edge. Remember we were told that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were supposed to pay for themselves, cause the economy to grow and create new jobs. Did that happen, or did we start running deficits, racking up debt and seeing unemployment climb? The tax cuts are still in place, we still cannot afford them, they still aren't creating jobs. We gave tax cuts to the wealthy, they have done very well over the last decade, corporations are sitting on $3 Tril of cash. They are not hiring. They were not hiring at the end of 2008. We passed a very expensive tax cut that favored the wealthy, believing they would create jobs. The did not. The used the money to move more businesses offshore, where labor is cheaper and the profits will be bigger. Are we seriously going to fall for Tax Cuts create jobs again. They've been in place for 11 years, where are the jobs, where is the booming economy. All I see that we middle class Americans have gotten for the cuts we passed that we couldn't afford is deficit, debt and off shoring. Tax cuts don't create jobs or stimulate the economy when top tax rates are low (like 35%) that only happens when top tax rates are high (like 70-90%). We shouldn't fall for it again. We'll likely end up in another great depression.

  130. John Swinson

    But Mike that is not the moderator's job, and that Sir. is where Candy Cowley was wrong. Did you see her call Obama on anything at all ? The answer to that question is no. Her job was that of a time keeper and that is all she was suppose to do. She was not to enter into the debate nor take a side with either canidate. She took sides with Obama and that Sir turned it into a Biased debate.

  131. Mike Soracchi

    According to you that is not the moderator's job. Who cares about your opinion? It was against the rules of the debate for Romney to ask the President questions, it wasn't his job, but he did it. Get over it already. Specifically to Candy, in her interjection she told Romney he was incorrect about "acts of terror" … but that he was right that for two weeks the story was still out there about the video. In essence she was saying move on. It is almost the end of the debate, we're running out of time and you are pursuing a non-factual tangent wasting time.

  132. Mike Soracchi

    John Swinson you are just lying. There is no evidence of the President saying what you claim he said. The tape is there, what you claim Obama said NEVER occurred and is not on the tape or in any transcripts of the event.

    Here's the transcript. It shows that you are lying.

    [ Obama:
    ...And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the secretary of state, our U.N. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not what I do as commander in chief. ]

    CROWLEY: Governor, if you want to…

    ROMNEY: Yes, I — I…

    CROWLEY: … quickly to this please.

    ROMNEY: I — I think interesting the president just said something which — which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror.

    OBAMA: That's what I said.

    ROMNEY: You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying?

    OBAMA: Please proceed governor.

    ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

    OBAMA: Get the transcript. <watch the tape he said this to Romney after a direct question from Romney>

    CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

    OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

    CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

    John Swinson the facts don't support your lies. Obama never said what you claim he said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/politics/fact-check-crowley-critics-debate/index.html

  133. 가멘거벤자민

    Mike and others: I think it would be instrumental to observe other equally important elements to the speech. Namely, a portion that places blame squarely upon the video "“Since our founding, the United States has been a nation that respects all faiths. We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others." and the statement directly following, where the President states matter-of-factly that the attack was not planned, not terror, but "senseless violence." Terrorism has political goals. The president knows better than almost anyone how calculated and cynical terrorism can be. When he addressed senseless violence, that was his comment on the attack: that it was, basically, an unruly chaotic mob. The kind of thing we expect from upset soccer hooligans. This was specific and direct. References to terror elsewhere within the speech and the next day were circumspect and noncommittal. Although honestly, were he to do the entire speech and say "this was terror!" for 40 minutes, if his policy over the next two weeks is to deny that he ever said it (his administration maintained afterword that it was the video), I'm not sure how this would be a point in his favor even then.

  134. Mike Soracchi

    Benghazi did not happen in a vacuum. There were also protests going on all over the Muslim world. Our government and consequently our president needed to deliver messages to multiple audiences. One message to the American people and also a message to the world which includes people who were protesting in other cities because of the video. What is it that you people cannot understand about that. While we needed to react and speak about Benghazi we also needed to calm the unrest in other cities where Muslims who were angry were protesting outside of American Installations. We, our government, owed it to those other American Foreign service personnel to try to calm the unrest to protect them as well. The speeches had multiple purposes and multiple audiences to address simultaneous issues. I am very glad non of you will ever be in a position of leadership. You are so myopic. The world is not however.

  135. John Swinson

    Yes there you go again, and I quess we also needed a President to pay $70,000 to make a video apologizing for an American exercising his right of freedom of speech. Be careful Mike you may just get what wish for, a country with no freedom of speech, and if this President had his way that is the way it would be. Life is short so live it to its fullest.

  136. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi this morning at 6:00 am on the Fox News Channel they said that new information has came out that during the Libya attack our military had a drone above the consulate and watched and recorded the entire attack live as it unfolded. So obviously we knew.

  137. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    John Swinson did you see on Fox News channel today where the U.S. had a drone over the consulate during the attack and watched and recorded the whole thing as it unfolded. My God, how sad.

  138. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    This morning at 6:00 A.M. the Fox News channel reported that during the attack on the consulate in Libya the U.S. had a drone plane directly above watching and recording the entire attack live as it unfolded! My God people open your eyes. This is so sad. Obviously the White House did know.

  139. Mike Soracchi

    There are also reports that there was an ongoing CIA operation at the consulate that would limit what anyone in the government would be allowed to reveal. It also means that the information that was relayed to the Ambassador to the UN might and the President might have been classified in order to protect the active CIA operation. Finally 8 days to label something a terrorist attack is lightspeed for the intelligence community, calling something a terrorist attack has very specific legal meaning. On October 20th on Fox news both Geraldo Rivera and Duecy admitted that it was likely that the Benghazi attacks were because of the Video "The Innocence of Muslims". This kind of kills your whole argument.

    Fox Admits Libya Attack May Have Been Caused By Anti-Muslim Video
    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/20/1049311/fox-admits-libya-caused-by-video/

  140. Mike Soracchi

    Understood. There really is nothing to argue. Most reports now indicate the attack occurred due to opportunism because of the video. The attack was because of the video and was a terrorist attack just as the President said in the Rose Garden. It was because of the video AND it was an act of terror which the President said the day after the attack. It seems that Romney was wrong, it was due to the video.

    "And now the GOP’s theory, like the CIA’s initial theory, is falling apart. On Oct. 16, David Kirkpatrick of the New York Times reported from Cairo:

    To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck the United States Mission without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as members of a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence. …"

    "On Friday, the Los Angeles Times confirmed that account. Citing “U.S. officials and witnesses interviewed in Libya,” the Times said the assault “appears to have been an opportunistic attack rather than a long-planned operation. … [A]fter five weeks of investigation, U.S. intelligence agencies say they have found no evidence of Al Qaeda participation.” Last night, the Wall Street Journal reported that the CIA’s "current intelligence assessment still notes there is conflicting evidence about whether there was a protest earlier on the day of the attack.” A U.S. intelligence official adds:

    'There isn’t any intelligence that the attackers pre-planned their assault days or weeks in advance. … The bulk of available information supports the early assessment that the attackers launched their assault opportunistically after they learned about the violence at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.'"

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2012/10/the_benghazi_attack_and_the_anti_muslim_video_how_the_gop_misread_intelligence.2.html

    It looks like the President and Administration were right and Romney and all of you were wrong all along. This is definitive proof that someone who so quickly jumps to incorrect assessments for political purpose, Romney, should not ever be in charge of foreign policy. It is too dangerous to trust someone who jumps to such quick and erroneous conclusions and give them the nuclear launch codes.

  141. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria on Sept.11 the United States had a drone flying above the consulate in Libya. They watched, witnessed and recorded live the attack on the consulate as it unfolded. So yeah, of course they knew help was needed or they never would have sent that. For months the Ambassador had been messaging that he did not know how much longer they could maintain and that things were deteriorating. He said for the first time he was afraid. That was months before the attack or the video. The info about the drone was on the Fox news channel this am

  142. Mike Soracchi

    Well Romney reversed every position he has ever held on foreign policy. He agreed with everything Obama is already doing. Why do we need him. It would be irresponsible to vote for someone with no core principles. Romney's doctrine if elected would be "Wait a minute let me call Barack Obama to see what he would do, I'll go with that."

    Romney folded like a cheap puffed up suit. Kind of funny for a multimillionaire to emulate a cheap suit. What a dunce! "Syria is Iran's path to the sea." Iran has ports in the Caspian sea, the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf and doesn't even share a border with Syria. Yeah! Romney believes that Russia, er , er Iran is our biggest threat but thinks Syria is Iran's path to the sea? He'll be very effective as Commander in Chief and in negotiating sanctions against Iran given his expertise on the regional geography.

    After 11 years of very expensive wars and potentially dangerous change occurring all over the globe, especially in the Muslim World, Southeast Asia, Russia and the emerging power of China we need a Commander in Chief with some knowledge, skill, and capability. Romney has none. I know he wants to be president but it is irresponsible of him to seek the job. He has no foreign policy experience and he chose a running mate who said of himself that his foreign policy experience amounted to voting for the Iraq war.

    Voting for Romney is irresponsible, if you support our troops it is your duty to give them a Commander in Chief who has knowledge and skill and can maintain a consistent message to the world, political flip flopping is not a good foreign policy and puts our troops in danger.

  143. Mike Soracchi

    Well Romney reversed every position he has ever held on foreign policy. He agreed with everything Obama is already doing. Why do we need him. It would be irresponsible to vote for someone with no core principles. Romney's doctrine if elected would be "Wait a minute let me call Barack Obama to see what he would do, I'll go with that."

    Romney folded like a cheap puffed up suit. Kind of funny for a multimillionaire to emulate a cheap suit. What a dunce! "Syria is Iran's path to the sea." Iran has ports in the Caspian sea, the Arabian Sea and Persian Gulf and doesn't even share a border with Syria. Yeah! Romney believes that Russia, er , er Iran is our biggest threat but thinks Syria is Iran's path to the sea? He'll be very effective as Commander in Chief and in negotiating sanctions against Iran given his expertise on the regi.
    onal geography.

    After 11 years of very expensive wars and potentially dangerous change occurring all over the globe, especially in the Muslim World, Southeast Asia, Russia and the emerging power of China we need a Commander in Chief with some knowledge, skill, and capability. Romney has none. I know he wants to be president but it is irresponsible of him to seek the job. He has no foreign policy experience and he chose a running mate who said of himself that his foreign policy experience amounted to voting for the Iraq war.

    Voting for Romney is irresponsible, if you support our troops it is your duty to give them a Commander in Chief who has knowledge and skill and can maintain a consistent message to the world, political flip flopping is not a good foreign policy and puts our troops in danger.

  144. Mike Soracchi

    Romney did not pass the Commander in Chief test. Reversing yourself on every position you have held in the past and agreeing with the sitting president on every policy he has implemented, except for the times you state things that are simply ignorant, is not sufficient. The best that could be said of Romeny's performance tonight would be that he made it through the third debate without crying.

  145. Mike Soracchi

    His closing where he talked about peace, peace, peace, hugs and butterfly's was nice though. How sweet.

  146. Steve Gilchrist

    Now Debbie, I was just kidding with 'em. I can take a dig in good humor. Maybe the irony of "bigots" didn't come through–I don't think either of them is really a bigot! It was just funny, that's all.

  147. Mike Soracchi

    You guys only listen to the info that allows you to maintain an insane conspiracy theory. Get a newspaper. The attacks were a reaction the the Cairo protests which were because of the video. That is a fact. Your crazy conspiracy theory has been proven wrong. Get over it.

  148. John Swinson

    Actually, Mike you are the one who needs to get over it, and quit living in lala land, because the facts are clear, this administration let those four die due to their, the administrations, incompetence. The facts are in, and you guys think that you can window dressing and change them. The logic that you are following is the same logic that the statement " That depends on what the meaning is,is". All I can say is that I am glad I am not serving my country now, because it is apparent that this administration would not be looking out for my best interests, I would be just another number to them.

  149. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi it is obvious as to who is wrong here. It is one thing to be misled and a whole other to voluntarily remain blind. There is no conspiracy theory. Wrong is wrong. You would still be for Obama even if he came out and said every fact or what you think are rumors was true. John we've gotta get that pied pipers flute! He's leading people blindly to Chaos and they're just dancing down the trail!

  150. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    John Swinson Kim seems to have quietened down since the truth has began to unfold. I've got a feeling we haven't really heard the kicker yet either. Now Obama needs to talk to the American people and say SOMETHING!!!

  151. Mike Soracchi

    What is the basis for your belief that you are proven correct. What do you actually think the truth is and what was done wrong?

  152. Mike Soracchi

    John Swinson You've been caught LYING on this board twice, you have NO CREDIBILITY.

  153. John Swinson

    Mike, acually I am not the one who is lying, if you desire to see who is lying go look in the mirror. And besides calling someone a liar comes easy for Liberals when they have no grounds to stand on. Just because a person does believe your bias rants does not make him or her a Liar.

  154. John Swinson

    Mike also according to Sun Tzu's Art of War, a person should study their enemy before engaging him in combat. You my friend do not have the foggest ideal of what is going on with the Benghaz situationi, and I my friend served our country for thirty years, and eight of those were with Special Operations, Army Special Forces. While serving I was envolved with two wars, so I have been there and done that, and the facts prove that this administration is guilty of turning its back on our military while they were in the heat of battle. And also those who support the administration in such actions are just as guilty as they are.

  155. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi From time to time new info comes out that I have not yet heard, due to the fact that I'm at work. Mike sometimes there may be new info out that you may not have heard. That doesn't make someone a liar. I have been reading the paper and watching the news and it is undeniable that the White House knew more than they said and much earlier. After the election I'm sure we'll be amazed. Who will Obama blame then?
    Enough info has already been released to shake people's confidence in our president greatly.

  156. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Mike Soracchi in light of the new info released on a daily basis almost, concerning Libya, it IS hurting the president to not speak to the American people about it. It is NEVER good to leave people at the mercy of the media and speculation. And it is showing up in his numbers. At a time when the president is trying to win middle class female's votes, that is surely not how you go about it. Oh and by the way, don't try to tell me about being a middle class female unless you are one.

  157. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria The attack was recorded while they watched it live as it unfolded. What is taking so much time is Obama and his administration trying to figure out how to cover up what they don't want the American people to know. They can watch the tape over and over. Won't change it. We deserve to hear from our presidents mouth what happened.

  158. Kim LaCapria

    Debbie Faircloth Carter And I am sure that as soon as they know, they will tell us anything that won't compromise security. This is not a cover up, it is a desperate attempt by Fox to suggest that Obama was somehow responsible or negligent. Which is rich considering no one on Fox asked the same question when three thousand Americans died.

    Also, Condi disagrees with you.

  159. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria Obama was negligent to say the very least and it's not just Fox talking about it. Some of the news channels have military people talking about it and I'm quite sure they know and understand more than you or I. Since neither one of us were in Libya when the attack happened and the president doesn't want to talk about it all anyone can do is get our news from the media or speculate. He has a recording of the entire attack that he can watch over and over and he still can't figure it out? There was not protest at the consulate on Sept.11. Also protesters don't carry around mortar bombs and the kinds of weapons those terrorists had. Obama is counting on the American people to be as nieve as you are. And with no questions asked. Just to blindly be led.

  160. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria there is no security to compromise now and you know it. It's called cover up! I'm sorry that your hero has so shamefully let you down and did it so openly. Makes you feel silly doesn't it? Other Obama supporters are feeling your pain believe me. It's embarrassing!

  161. Val Eding

    Good grief. It was a tag team match with Barrack and Candy against Mitt.
    This was supposed to be a debate between two people…

  162. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria well Kim you got to admit he has a very similar background so I would think he probably understands a little more about his culture than you do. He got a lot of input from some pretty intelligent people. I do not think you have done such indepth research.

  163. Kim LaCapria

    Debbie Faircloth Carter This is the problem, that people think that brown skin = very similar background. They actually have very little in common in nearly every regard.

  164. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    One man says vote for Revenge. The other says vote for love of country. This is the kind of thing we have been seeing out of Obama during this campaign. Revenge Obama? Revenge for what? Vote Romney, for love of country!

  165. Debbie Faircloth Carter

    Kim LaCapria are you, A-ignorant or B. just didn't read the book? What I was talking about was the fact that they both grew up in the same place, had similar life experiences, went to some of the same schools,was schooled to the same religions ect. Nothing to do with their skin.