Kenneth Krause, The Man Who Sent Nasty Email To Overweight Newswoman, Stands By Remarks
Kenneth Krause, the man whose email to overweight news anchor Jennifer Livingston sparked a viral video in which Livingston speaks out against bullying, has come forward to claim responsibility for the missive — and perhaps not surprisingly, he stands by his sexist remarks.
Kenneth Krause is a personal injury lawyer and apparently also a dude who thinks that women are in his field of vision solely to please him — as indicated in his yucky email to Livingston, an email she read aloud in the segment that was soon passed around on Facebook like wildfire.
In his email, Krause makes note that “girls in particular” are suffering from exposure to Livingston’s plus-size body on the news — ostensibly because they may internalize the harmful idea that their existence amounts to things other than meeting the beauty standard of Kenneth Krause.
And in his response to the video Livingston (who, incidentally, is the sister of Office Space‘s Ron Livingston) spoke in, Krause doubles down on his jerkitude, offering to coach Livingston through weight loss and exercise in a proposal that not only expects the newswoman to change her life to fit his standards, but also totally obliterates any idea of privacy or bodily integrity. (Seeing a theme here?)
“Given this country’s present epidemic of obesity and the many truly horrible diseases related thereto, and considering Jennifer Livingston’s fortuitous position in the community, I hope she will finally take advantage of a rare and golden opportunity to influence the health and psychological well-being of Coulee Region children by transforming herself for all of her viewers to see over the next year, and, to that end, I would be absolutely pleased to offer Jennifer any advice or support she would be willing to accept.”
Not to put too fine a point on it, but it seems clear that Kenneth Krause’s ideas do suggest a level of harm presented to “girls in particular” — most notably, girls in particular who are sent the message that no matter how high they ascend in their careers, how well they do their jobs and raise their families and perform in school, if they are not eye candy, they’d better change for the good of everyone. Or something. Why don’t you go put on some lipstick and brush your hair, God!
Do you think Kenneth Krause’s “suggestions” are paternalistic and sexist, or is fat-shaming an acceptable way to get people to lose weight?
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Posted: October 3, 2012
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Oct 3, 2012
Sorry, but this guy is a real ass!
Oct 3, 2012
I agree! Shame on him! She should way to much class when she addressed it! I would've exploded!
Oct 3, 2012
What a bully! I'm glad this received national attention!
Oct 3, 2012
Well, I don't find Mr. Krause at all attractive – but I'm not writing him any emails to tell him how he should look to please me. I don't know where he got the notion that his "concern trolling" is any kind of acceptable, but it's not.
Oct 3, 2012
total D-bag
Oct 3, 2012
She may be overweight but he is a complete douche, and far from perfect. Shall we all feel free to email him and remind him of his shortcomings? Surely Jennifer is a far better example for children than he will EVER be… P/s someone smack him upside the head for me
Oct 3, 2012
Absolute assclown! Trying to publicly humiliate someone into losing weight is the wrong path to take.
Oct 3, 2012
I think chubby girls deserve a positive role model on TV. Not everyone was born to be skinny, and his assertion that she "chose" an obese "lifestyle" is the kind of thing someone who hasn't struggled with their weight would say.
I used to be thin, I'm not now, and it's because being a good dad is more important to me than my weight. I choose to eat to help my stress, and be present for my wife and kids, rather than be absent and exercising, and perhaps also being absent to reduce my stress. I'm sure if I got divorced I could lose the weight easy.
Oct 3, 2012
ASS!!!!!!!
Oct 3, 2012
"it is simply unacceptable – and rather sexist, I’ll add – to comment on a woman’s physical appearance as if that appearance was the substance of her work. Even with all that window dressing of the obesity epidemic."<–agreed.
Oct 3, 2012
Pfft. I was my high school weight until I did the healthy thing and quit smoking at age 39. Weight went up 50%. Lucky it's all muscle. NOT. Mr. Krause is just another asshole. They keep cropping-up.
Oct 4, 2012
I wonder what he would say to a woman who is thin but not eye-appealing to him. Would he suggest she get plastic surgery? And lets not stop there, but what about handicapped people. What would he suggest to them? A real ass indeed.
Oct 4, 2012
How appalling that when this man was exposed, he chose to continue his offensive rant rather than realize the error of his ways and apologize….
Oct 4, 2012
I would offer to remove his 'Offensive' tattoo. What kind of message is he sending to impressionable boys? Self mutilation to impress "chicks"? MORON!!!
Oct 4, 2012
I think there are many other poor choices that can be made like drugs! I hope this guy doesn't have kids, can only imagine what would happen if his child gained a few lbs!
Oct 4, 2012
I would like to know if that man is married or is in a relationship. I don't understand why ANY woman would have anything to do with him. It's not just his idea that all women should make themselves over in his ideal image of a woman, but the way he totally didn't get what Jennifer had to say – and that was that HE was the bully – he went on to offer her assistance and advice. The only advice I'd give him is not to pull that crap on any woman he was ever involved with or she'd hand him his genitals on a plate.
Oct 4, 2012
Smack him around for me too. My mama taught me that polite people kept quiet if they didn't have something good to say about a person. This jerk reminds me of that bitter paralysed attorney who goes around suing people because they haven't been able to afford to be ADA compliant, and put over 1,000 businesses out of business. I wonder what his mother would think about his actions. Something tells me it wouldn't be very good.
Oct 4, 2012
I'd say he probably is lacking in the maleness area too.
Oct 4, 2012
Debi, that looks like a match.com pic to me.
Oct 4, 2012
please oh please someone get his email and phone number and post it here so we can tell Mr. Krause about his bestest-friend in the world, John Fitzgerald Page, and what incredible douchenozzles those two are.
Oct 4, 2012
If you figure out his e-mail address, please post it as I would like to send him an e-mail just like he sent her an e-mail.
Oct 4, 2012
krausekc@msn.com
Oct 4, 2012
I just learned his e-mail address: krausekc@msn.com
Oct 4, 2012
Someone posted it on another site. krausekc@msn.com
Oct 4, 2012
that fact that he is a personal injury lawyer would explain the sheer sheer sleazyness of his comments and his outlook.
Oct 4, 2012
Where can we email this motherfucker?
Oct 4, 2012
I wanted to know the same thing…
Oct 4, 2012
Carolyn Thornley Thank you!!!
Oct 4, 2012
We need to work fast and effective to lay chargers to these kind of people on bully. They are walking away free thinking its ok, but its not. I will vote for our next prime minister, who stands against bullies and create a law for them to be charged and face penalties.
Oct 4, 2012
Diana, your analogy is flawed in two respects. Firstly, your assertion regarding Krause's physical attractiveness cannot be compared to his comments on the news anchor's size because attraction is subjective and whether or not someone is good looking or not based on their facial features has no effect on the individual's health. Mr Krause, on the other hand, commented solely on the news anchor's weight and drew comparisons between her obesity and the health issues associated with being the size she is. Secondly, Mr Krause's reasoning behind his email was to remind the news anchor that she was in the public eye and consequently, is a role model to the masses that watch her. Obesity, as I'm sure everyone would agree, is a problem that needs to be addressed, not just in the United States but in many other areas of the world, because of the health risks associated with being overweight, namely cardiovascular diseases. Whilst I don't draw the same inferences that Mr Krause does regarding the news anchor conveying to the masses that being obese is acceptable simply by being on television, defending obesity and attempting to normalize it will do nothing towards solving the issue of obesity.
Oct 4, 2012
Matthew Fleming, I admire your commitment to your family, but saying that you don't have enough time to eat healthy and exercise for even half an hour a day is just ridiculous, there's no way you're that busy with work/family. You can be a good father/husband and be fit and healthy at the same time, in fact, I would contend that you have the potential to be better at those two roles if you were healthier as you'd have more energy to devote to your loved ones. Whilst it's important to be there for your family now, it's also important to be there for them in the future and you put yourself in better stead to accomplish this if you eat well and exercise. It's time to stop making excuses, friend. Best of luck.
Oct 4, 2012
"…or is fat-shaming an acceptable way to get people to lose weight?"
Are you kidding me? That's the worst way for someone to lose weight! Some people are overweight or obese because of a medical condition! That's what he didn't get when he wrote that dreaded email to that woman!
It just to show that there are some fit guys like him who may look pleasing on the outside, but inside they're nothing but jerks and douches! He's nothing but a douchebag. You think that with an attitude like his, he would have a girlfriend already? Hardly! If he does have a girlfriend, then I will feel sorry for her.
Oct 4, 2012
The woman works out 2-3 times a week. She ran a 5K. I am not concerned about her health. Kenneth Krause is a douche. Nobody should have to defend themselves to complete strangers that know nothing about them. I feel sorry that she was put in this situation. Shame on you, Mr. Krause, for trying to make yourself feel better by belittling others.
Oct 4, 2012
Jordan Todd: Where did I mention Mr. Krause's facial features? I said I didn't find him attractive; I didn't say anything about his face. "Attractiveness" is not just about someone's face.
The lady's weight is nobody else's business. Who appointed this Krause creep the arbiter of who is and is not too "fat"? Also, the lady is not obligated to be a "role model" for anyone at all. From his ridiculous comments, you'd think she's unaware of her size. I'm pretty sure she's well aware of it, and she doesn't need jerks pointing it out to her.
If you or Mr. Krause does not want to look at her, he should change the channel or turn off the TV – and keep his personal attacks to himself.
Oct 4, 2012
And Mr. Krause thinks by his mere insults and insensitive way of presenting the obvious as she stated she already knew she was fat, will make her loose weight? How about a lesson on how to offer constructive criticism not hurtful verbiage. Who the hell does this man think he is. He has no right to offer his opinion unless asked1
Oct 4, 2012
Mr. Krause,
Do you not find that, being a personal injury lawyer and a role model for things that live under rocks, that displaying the characteristics of being a self-important jackass are having a negative impact?
If you would like, I would happily provide instruction on how you can attempt to become a member of the human race by altering your behavior of ignorant (don't watch the program), unwanted (no relevance to the news broadcasts), spineless (didn't want to appear on the program HIMSELF), and gutless (comments made from the always-dangerous 'behind the computer') remarks.
I'm sure that the transformation would be greatly appreciated by the ambulance drivers you chase during the day and would be something beautiful for all to behold.
Tom Gulley
The Tom Gulley Show.
Oct 4, 2012
The old joke comes to mind (and I say this in Jest) but "I can always lose weight but you will always be ugly." LOL. And although the joke refers to physical appearance….I am referring to his personality.
Oct 4, 2012
Thats what I thought Michael. I have a tattoo that I got when I was young and I regret it. SO nothing against anyone who has them, but some people would say that isn't the best role modeling. Also…he is a personal injury lawyer. Not that all of them are bad…no offense meant to laywers…but some of them aren't the best role models either. Point is….who is he to judge?
Oct 4, 2012
Was there not a point in the story where they made reference to her having a Thyroid issue? That can make a huge difference in a person's ability to lose weight. They can eat right, exercise and still have problems with their weight. That is why people need to ask questions before going off half cocked thinking the person is ok with being overweight.
Oct 4, 2012
I look at men like Kenneth in awe and wonder and I am not very surprised at what I see. Men have been doing this to women for years. Your not beautiful if your not 90 lbs and a playground for men.
Oct 4, 2012
she's not obligated to be on TV, either.
Oct 4, 2012
Jerk…
Oct 4, 2012
No, she's *paid* to be on TV – and if her employer is fine with her appearance, it's nobody else's business. When did it become acceptable to criticize other people's looks, uninvited?
Oct 4, 2012
I find it laughable that people like Mr. Jordan excoriate detractors of Krause's comments while overlooking or pooh-poohing the sand that created this oyster.
Unwanted, unproductive, ill-informed, pompous, self-absorbed, and pompous comments delivered casually from behind a computer screen.
Again, there are those who want to live in a world without cruel and ignorant statements without merit or benefit–and those like Jordan and Krause who find it some sort of intellectual fair ground.
Certainly, the have a right to their anti-social opinions, but that doesn't mean society will benefit from them. "You're too fat to do your job because being fat means you suck at being a role model" is just a gutless insult, regardless of the eloquence one might use to state it.
Krause compounds his flaw by indicating that he can transform Ms. Livingston into something HE finds desirable. Mssrs. Todd and Krause, if even the deserve the designation, DESERVE each other.
Oct 4, 2012
Tom Gulley, you're my hero! Very well said, sir!
Oct 4, 2012
Funny how this douche bag Krause takes a photo to make sure we see his old man tattoo…gotta show that off because he's probably a divorced guy looking for chicks. I bet he has an ear ring too because all the old guys get them because they think it's going to make them sexier
Oct 4, 2012
I would rather be "fat" some thing I could fix if I wanted to…Than to be "FUGLY" something that CAN NOT be fixed in this case…even any type of plastic surgery can't help this boy. He is obviously very ugly on the inside as well! Shame that his "itty bitty brain" does not have any working muscle…but then again…he is an ambulance chasing dirt bag! I think…he wanted the "attention" of Jennifer Livingston because he is "attracted" to her…He is a total loser! If he thinks his muscles make him attractive think again… Little Krause your lips look distorted and your face is unbalanced.
I would be absolutely be pleased to offer Kenneth any advice or support he would be willing to accept.” in transforming his fugliness Such as a list of therapist and a list of plastic surgeons. Then again, you are more than likely looking for "attention" you did not receive as a child!
Oct 4, 2012
I got a close up of little Kenny's tatoo…yep I am pretty sure it's "DUMBO" That explains a lot… lmao!
Oct 5, 2012
Couldn't agree more and I'm an Aussie.
Oct 5, 2012
Don't make Peter mad….he'll let Milton burn the place down….I'm overweight, and honestly, I don't see this guy as a bully. Bullying would be more of a long term torment. These are just ramblings of an insensitive, narcisstic, and judgmental prick.
Oct 5, 2012
While I think Kenneth's email was badly written, insensitive, and uninformed, I don't think the mass public can make any conclusion about his intent, as we are as uninformed about him as he was about Jennifer. Let's look at it this way… It was one email. It didn't contain any name-calling. It was not made public by him. He did not threaten her. He did not exercise any control over her. So, the idea that he is a bully can't be substantiated from this one email. About the "girl" remark…He may have simply been referring to the fact that girls tend to look at women as role models…but to be realistic, how many young girls are watching the news? So, however noble or evil his intent, he was off course on that. Regarding Jennifer's response…I think it wasn't as thought out as it could have been. As it stands, she's got a mob mentality started over an email, and exercised her power as a tv news anchor to belittle someone she doesn't know in public, without proper substantiation to back up her actions. Now that could be labeled as bullying, but I don't know her either….It segued nicely into anti-bullying month, but there are much worse cases that could have been used….cases that are recent enough and tragic enough to warrant coverage. Either way, I agree that he could have approached it wayyyy differently and gotten great response with a positive message.
Oct 5, 2012
He didn't publicly humiliate her. She has a public email address, an invitation to comment. He commented. She is the one who brought it into the public.
Oct 5, 2012
With all due respect, I learned a great deal about both by their simply stating their opinions.
Oct 5, 2012
You published his email? How does that help? He will only delete any emails.
Oct 5, 2012
Ya know, it's not Jesus to call someone an asshole, but this guy deserves the title. He probably has low self-esteem so he has to spend every waking minute of his life in the gym trying to not feel like a failure in some area of his life, where the other lady seems to be living a successful, happy life and handling herself where she needs to. And his type of issues can't be cured with excercise. douchetard.
Oct 5, 2012
leave it to an "ambulance chaser" to try and criticize someone else. if the saying is true that it takes all "kinds of people to make this world go round', then he is the "true axis" of unadulterated narcissistic stupidity and ignorance. jennifer, I don't know you, but on behalf of us men who were raised to "know better", keep on rockin in your career and save your breathe to cool your coffee about this worthless person's insolent, bigotted, and hateful comment. you deserve much better.
Oct 5, 2012
He's on that bicycle…maybe he can ride down the 45 service road during rush hour.
Oct 5, 2012
I would have handled him privately so I could go ghetto on him. And do you notice that people who believe like this have NEVER had an ounce of fat on them?
Oct 5, 2012
Sorry Mark, but it is quite obvious the guy was "doin' an e-mail drive-by". As far as her response, she never gave his name, Soledad O"brian leaked it on a national news show. In reality, not many kids watch the local news and he has no idea about her physical health. I think it is far more dangerous to exclude people from positions of influence based on physical appearance.
Oct 5, 2012
Do you notice that all the people attacking Mr Krause are overweight and bitter that they don't have the will power to just get off their fat arses and get in shape? Do you also notice that these same people that are so outraged at his so called insensitivity are the ones that are labelling him all manner of derogatory names and threatening him with violence. I notice it.
Oct 5, 2012
Do you notice that all the people attacking Mr Krause are overweight and bitter that they don't have the will power to just get off their fat arses and get in shape? Do you also notice that these same people that are so outraged at his so called insensitivity are the ones that are labelling him all manner of derogatory names and threatening him with violence? I notice it.
Oct 5, 2012
just wanted to see what a scum bag looked like thanks ken. now why don't you grow a pair and go on t.v., but I understand how scared you are not even you are that stupid. what am I saying you make a stupid person look smart.
Oct 5, 2012
Mark with all due respect, give me a break! Would you approach a stranger on the street and start lecturing them on thier wieght? I would think not as this would be considered rude. So why should sending an e-mail make it acceptable? I still consider it bullying, one does not have to name call to bully, nor does it have to occur more then once. Having said that, for the sake of arguement, lets say it was not bullying. It was still rude and should be considered unacceptable behaviour plain and simpole. He should not have approached it all, and minded his own damn business.
Oct 5, 2012
Even if you have a spam filter, a deluge of thousands of emails creates a huge problem–as the filters are not perfect. Also, if there is no filter, he must sift through the thousands of unwanted ones to find the desired emails.
As someone who has received as many as 20,000 emails in one night–supportive, by the way–I can attest that even with a filter, it rocks your email world.
Oct 5, 2012
I'm not overweight. Far from it. So you're wrong. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Any criticism of Mr. Krause was invited by his criticism of others. That "dish it out, better be ready to take it" notion. There is no guarantee of intensity, duration, or quality of a response when you write an email like his–and you are pretty much opening yourself up to return of service.
That would seem pretty obvious to most. Why has it eluded you so successfully?
Oct 5, 2012
It's funny I've seen pictures of his family, they all have a weight problem. So he has no room to talk about someone else.
Oct 5, 2012
Simply amazing, an ambulance chaser attacking someone for being overweight…
Oct 5, 2012
You are right Tom. Blocked and reported. Don't screw with me.
Oct 5, 2012
Because he's a child. I totally reported that comment. Why would you mess with someone who's already threatened to go ghetto? *in ghetto voice * YES. I. DID.
Oct 5, 2012
Nice one Michael! LOL
Oct 5, 2012
A nation of bullies, all because of one badly worded email. He'll definitely think twice before trying to help anyone now. Well played, WKBT. Well played.
Oct 5, 2012
I agree, it was rude, insensitive, badly worded, unacceptable. That point is a given, and I would hope not many people agree with what he did. I'm addressing the reaction. My point is that, by all definitions of "bullying", it does not fit. I know, I know….semantics…. But calling him a bully, and publicizing his name and email address won't solve the problem. He's probably getting death threats via email, phone, and at his home. Many people responding like that are no better than he is.
No, I don't approach people unless my help is solicited, and definitely would not send an email like that.
Because Jennifer is a public figure and has an email that is there to essentially solicit commentary from anyone bored enough to write in, she should be ready for this type of stuff to come along, and even said that she generally does just write caustic emails off. I know how that is…. Working at the casino, I have had stuff thrown at me…yes, objects, food, etc., in addition to voicemails and emails with death threats along with many personal attacks about my lack of morality (for working at a casino). Many of them were very personal in nature. I wrote them all off. Why? Because I knew they are coming from people who felt some need to vent. Jennifer and the WKBT team could have recognized that there was this random guy, venting…but rather than engage in some academically sound discussion to find out exactly what catastrophic event compelled him to write an email like that, they had a knee-jerk reaction and aired their assumption that he had malintent. As such, they missed the opportunity to get into the psyche of this "bully."
In several of my posts, I have acknowledged that Mr. Krause was wrong….but an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Now, is that the message that Jennifer meant to send? I hope not.
Oct 5, 2012
Soledad O'Brian got the name from someone. It was a private conversation between Mr. Krause and Jennifer Livingston.
Oct 5, 2012
Jordan Todd In all fairness, not all of his criticizers are overweight, just as not all of his supporters are men.
Oct 5, 2012
Maybe someone in his family has an obesity-related disease, and he is trying (in not the best way, of course), to help others prevent it.
Oct 5, 2012
Help? That depends on your definition, I suppose. Asserting that someone is a bad role model simply because of their weight? Rather narrow view and an intelligent person would think carefully before including it in their "help."
Babe Ruth. Winston Churchill. Kate Smith. Mama Cass. I could go on.
Oct 5, 2012
Again, depends on definition.
When you email a TV news anchor, you should probably be prepared to have your comments aired–as the stations use those emails to display comments on all issues.
To say nothing of the simple logic: I am emailing a person who has a forum in the media. Why email somehow indemnifies a person from return comment on their forum is again a laughable notion.
Oct 5, 2012
You said it yourself. She's a public figure. The email address is there to solicit commentary. The stations as a habit–from news organizations like CNN to Fox News to yes, the local TV station–regularly display these comments as part of programming.
Also, pooh-poohing the original grain of sand that created this pearl is to ignore the spark that causes a fire and then to castigate the fire is an act of misplaced concern.
Oct 5, 2012
But, hasn't it been scientifically proven that exercise and diet are beneficial in reducing stress? I tie in fun activities with the kids….when they were younger it was crawling around in the basement through cardboard box tunnels, walks down the path, dancing, bike rides….later it became tennis, skating, swimming. Exercise doesn't have to be in a gym somewhere. I haven't been to a gym for many years.
Oct 5, 2012
Tom Gulley, well stated. I'm not sure, however, that Krause mentioned "desires". Are you assuming he desires Livingston to look a certain way, or have you received a statement from him to justify your position. Are you willing to acknowledge that there could be a slight chance that he only wanted to help?
I'm just trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist and want to believe in the good in people. And, yes, good people can be lacking in social abilities and sensitivities. Dr. Laura comes to mind.
Oct 5, 2012
If only the first email had been sent, I might give him a pass. After her own statements, however, his assertion that a transformation might be one of her own desire seems dubious at best. The notion that she feels the need for his help, given the firestorm, seems only his personal desire for her to attain a stature HE finds more desirable.
Oct 5, 2012
Yup. "Never whisper criticism to a person with a megaphone." lol
Oct 5, 2012
Jordan Todd That was an intelligent and relevant counter-response. Thank you.
Oct 5, 2012
Good point, Tom. I like your logic, and it makes for productive discussion. No name calling. . . But where do we go from here? I just wish we, as a nation, could collectively show Mr. Krause by our actions how to be positive in reacting in a positive way. From my observation, there is more negative than positive sentiment. In my limited reading, I have seen that most "bullies" need to be understood before they can be helped to change (assuming they want to be understood). Given that concept, do we, as a nation, want this particular bully (and many like him) to change, or is it none of our business? If the former, then publicizing his email and hurling insults at him is probably not the best approach. If it is the latter, then we are accepting the possibility that bullying will continue to be an escalating problem. Either way, your pearl is going to make one nifty pendant.
Oct 5, 2012
Sing it brother…… sing it loud!!!!!!!! YOU right on the mark! Thank-you,thank-you,thank-you. I on a day to day see people that are awful human beings get by with a smile, a batting of eyelashes and a flip of their hair. And others that are hard workers and good honest people have to claw and crawl for everything they manage to scrape by with….. only because we don't add up to what other people think we should look like or weigh!
Oct 7, 2012
so like Mark, you seem to have a little woman hate thing going on here! this woman will never be right or be the victim!!!!!????!!!??!
Oct 9, 2012
Deborah Lynn Sanchez: Why would you conclude that I have a "woman hate" thing? What is that, anyway? Did I say I hate women. Have I ever said I hate anything? At this point, WKBT, their subject matter expert on bullying that they had on their show, and Jennifer herself have collectively shown that she was not bullied or victimized. Watch the youtube of the interview with the bullying expert, and watch the one from GMA and ABC news. Jennifer said Krause "felt that he was helping and didn't know it was hurtful." Yes, she said that. And the expert defined bullying as something that Krause didn't do. I don't hate…I am an advocate for fair discussion without any name calling…you'll never see, in any of my posts, me calling any of Jennifer's supporters "man haters". Please watch the videos, take notes, and analyze them.
Oct 9, 2012
I agree mark Hartmann. If she was intelligent, she wouldn't have to begin with, made a man she had no idea about mad on television no less. She made this into a public issue when it was a private one. She wanted to be a hero. She was making this into a bully issue and about kids, when it clearly was a personal issue. He did not.. bash her in a way that was a hate email He offered to help her. I think his heart was in the right place. I would be taking him up on it. She can die here and not see her kids grow up. She is morbidly obese. He could have been a mad man and killed her. She is an idiot!
Oct 9, 2012
First of all SHAME! SHAME! on you Kenneth Krause! I may be wrong, but does anyone else think that Mark Hartmann and Jordon Todd are both actually Krause himself using alias's to defend himself. They sound a lot like him….Just sayin'…
Oct 10, 2012
so you are an advocate for fair discussion without any name calling? you posted on oct.5th where you called us a nation of bullies! why is when people have enough and stand up for someone W E are called the bullies? ???? not the person whe started this to begin with??