Ron Shipp is detailing a private conversation he had with O.J. Simpson in 1994 just hours after Simpson’s ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson was found murdered. In a new interview, Shipp, a longtime friend of O.J. Simpson, told People that the former NFL star admitted to him that he “had dreams of killing Nicole.”
Shipp says the conversation took place on June 13, 1994, the day after Nicole and her friend Ronald Goldman were found murdered at Nicole’s home in Brentwood, California. Ron said friends of O.J.’s had gathered at his house to mourn the death of Nicole when Simpson pulled him aside to tell his something disturbing.
“We walked to the driveway and O.J. said, ‘Ron, I need to talk to you,'” Shipp revealed. Ron, a former LAPD officer, then followed O.J. upstairs to the master bedroom for the private conversation.
“He said, ‘You know, they tried to get me to take a lie detector test,'” recounted Shipp. But when he asked Simpson if he took the test, the former NFL star allegedly replied: “‘Well, no, Shipp,’ and he jokingly laughed and said, ‘I’ve had dreams of killing her.'”
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Ron Shipp told People there were several “red flags” that came up during the conversation, and by the time he left O.J.’s house that day, he was convinced his longtime friend had committed the murders.
“The first red flag for me was when I saw the cut, when I saw his hand all bandaged up, especially since it’s the day after your ex-wife was found dead,” Ron said. “I’ve been on calls where people repeatedly stabbed each other and they always seem to cut themselves. I asked the coroner once, ‘Why do they cut themselves?’ And he said, ‘Because the knife slips in their hand and they are hitting bone and there’s blood.'”
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Shipp alleged that Simpson “changed his story about the cut three different times” and also asked him questions about how soon results from DNA testing of evidence found at the crime scene and at his house would be completed.
“He takes me up to his room and starts asking me questions that in my mind only a guilty person would ask,” Shipp told People. “When he [said he had dreams of murdering Nicole] I wanted to get the hell out of that room. I said to myself, ‘He did it. I’m in the room with a double murderer.’ I got in the car and called my wife and I was crying like a baby. I said, ‘Honey, he did it.'”
Ron Shipp also said Simpson admitted to him that he had physically abused Nicole during their marriage.
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In addition to the People interview, Ron recently told Vanity Fair about O.J.’s odd behavior the day after Nicole’s murder.
“I was only there about 10 minutes or so before I asked him what happened to his finger in front of everybody,” Ron said. “He didn’t look at me. He had three TVs and he was watching every single one of the channels and talking to the TVs… He told me he cut his finger in Chicago on a glass. That night, he changed the story two more times. Two other people asked him what happened while I was sitting there. He told somebody else that he was chipping golf balls out on the lawn. He told somebody later on that he hurt himself getting his cell phone out of the Bronco.”
While Ron Shipp was convinced early on that O.J. Simpson committed the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, more than 20 years later he still holds out hope that his former friend and onetime idol will confess to the killings without fear of jail time.
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“I was just thinking about what happened when I talked to O.J. about God and his mom,” Shipp said. “His mom is a very religious person. If you remember during the Bronco chase, he kept saying, ‘I want my mom.’ I just think that one of these days, I’m hoping he has whatever his mom taught him spiritually, and he’ll say, ‘This is what I did. Forgive me.'”
Ron Shipp has known O.J. Simpson since he was 16 years old, and he was a witness for the prosecution during the murder trial. Ron Shipp recently published a memoir, The Heart Behind the Badge, and he is also featured in O.J. Simpson: Made in America, the new ABC/ESPN documentary about the former football star’s troubled life.
Take a look at the video below to see Ron Shipp talking about O.J. Simpson’s civil trial.
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