Chinese Swimmer’s ‘Impossible’ Time Questioned, WSCA Director Suggests Possible Doping

Maybe it's doping or maybe she's a he?

Mid term abortions. Old East German trick. Great for swimmers.

I believe that she trained for the event in ways that we in the US and Europe may not understand. I refuse to call it doping at this time. I think she would be a lot thinner if she were on drugs.

Your site asks a really stupid question. How would ordinary viewers of the games know whether she doped or not? to say yes, I think she did, or no, I don't think she did, is inane. Only the urine and/or blood tests will confirm or reject the accusation. Let the people who do this for a living make the determination. Then we can either praise her accomplishment or condemn her cheating.

if you are not a favorite, and you win, therefore, you must be doped. opinions, opinions, opinions.

Why the hell Mr. Leonard did not question if Michael Phelps is doped since he has done nobody else has done?

Why the hell Mr. Leonard did not question if Michael Phelps is doped since he has done nobody else has done?

As powerful as China is becoming in the economic, industrial and financial world these days, I doubt that any national or international Olympic authority will accuse or challenge this with any serious intent. It does, however, seem highly unlikely that an inexperienced young female swimmer would beat the time of a known champion such as Lochte, who trained four years for this event. Drugs these days are much more difficult to detect or differentiate from other legal drugs. My opinion is, she did not legally accomplish this feat on her own. Many say Lochte is a better swimmer than his good friend, Phelps. This puts an ugly smear on the whole thing.

Kevin: Like how much different? You need to explain your words.

I would sooner agree that she did, in fact beat the time had it been Phelps instead of Lochte, because he, Phelps, admittedly did train "that hard" for the Olympics. A timing flaw, maybe?

forget the doping aspect and ask the question, can the women's basketball team beat the men's? Can the fast woman beat the fastest man? If you can say yest to both, then she did not dope.

Should people in USA also question Missy Franklin and Dana Vollmer world record doping or not?

We really don't know, do we. How quick we are to condemn the achievers!

No, Michael Phelps only doped after the 2008 Olympics. Shame on Michael for smoking dope.

How is this a question? All they have to do is test her for it. If she tests negative, then she didn't dope. End of story. Chinese athletes train in ways that many people think are impossible, and therefore may achieve things that are "impossible." It's part of an ancient honor code. If a winner isn't a favorite, then she must be cheating. This is no different than the accusations of age-cheating for chinese gymnasts in the 2008 games.

As a former collegiate swimmer I can tell you the results are very odd at the very least. I have NEVER (literally, not hyperbole) seen a woman even come close to outsplitting a man in elite competition (nothing sexist intended…just a truthful observation) and will also say that the amount of power with which Yes finished that race I have never seen before. Either she is an incredibly gifted, once in an era type of athlete, or there was some sort of doping involved. No one looks like that strong at the end of a long-course 400 IM. It just doesn't happen. I will eat my words if I'm wrong, but this woman ought to be tested for everything the IOC can think of. The results just don't jive, especially when she absolutely annihilated Biesel, who is a world-class IMer and well-known elite finisher.

To Mr. Leonard….I know is hard for most Americans, " Not to WIN," all the time. How dare some girl come from China or any other country than the USA, and win with less time than Phelps , Lochte, Scott, Smith, etc… etc…. It would not be an Olympics Games, if it was not other countries involved…So….other countries may win a medal here and there….How much fun would be if only Americans played against each other , then all medals and 1st places will be for Americans ….It sounds very childish to even mention about dope, in a TV, before any proof, I hope you are hiding now…..

That's not the issue. The issue is how strong she finished the race against Biesel (well known for her elite finishing abilities) and outsplit a man, something that just doesn't happen (no sexism intended…just fact).

It is well known that Chinese are the biggest cheaters in the world. She is a doper.

Something in the milk isn’t right A 16 year old beets a man’s time? You folks watch too much liberal Media Go to China if they let you in. $200 a month and you’ll be in jail or back in a month.

She was tested and passed all the tests given to her by the Olympic Committee. So why is this even in question? Its sad to accused someone with no proof at all.

How the hell would we know? I can't tell you why gas is $4 a gallon, or even how my brain transmitted the sentence I am currently typing to my fingers.

mmmmhmmm, you just said it "something that just doesn't happen" (opinions, opinions, opinions)

mmmmhmmm, you just said it "something that just doesn't happen" (opinions, opinions, opinions)

Some people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that a 16-year-old.
Chinese girl, Yes Shiwen, beat the almighty American Ryan Lochte in the last.
50m freestyle leg in 400 meter IM. Here comes a little help.

Although Lochte won the event in London, his last split of 29.10 sec suck.
big time. In fact four swimmers in that final beat him in the last 50m:
Yuya Horihata (27.87), Thomas Fraser-Holmes (28.35), Michael Phelps (28.44),
Kosuke Hagino (28.52). Guess what, all four of them were faster than.
Shiwen, who finished with a 28.93 split.

Shiwen's 28.93 fell between the last 50m split in the world record of women'.
s 200m freestyle (28.60, Federica Pellegrini) and 1500m freestyle (29.27,
Kate Ziegler, a textile best, no less). It's definitely top notch for women.
, but not unheard-of.

So hear me out. Yes, Lochte finished the last 50m freestyle behind Ye.
Shiwen. But congratulations to him for finishing 0.17 second ahead of Kate.
Ziegler, after she swam 1.45 kilometers. He should hold his head high.

And by the way, if gossiping like a girl about other girls helps you win.
gold medal for US team in 4x100m freestyle relay or win medal in men's 200m.
freestyle, go for it, Ryan.

Well said.

If history has taught s anything its that China will always lie, cheat and steal to try to come out on top of everything.

I agree emphatically with Anete Villela.

Modern day Kornelia Ender…

Modern day Kornelia Ender…

Modern day Kornelia Ender…

This has nothing to do with that. What are you even on about? Just taking an opportunity to assume things never mentioned and try and bash Americans? Pathetic.

This has nothing to do with that. What are you even on about? Just taking an opportunity to assume things never mentioned and try and bash Americans? Pathetic.

This has nothing to do with that. What are you even on about? Just taking an opportunity to assume things never mentioned and try and bash Americans? Pathetic.

Yeah because weed is SOOO horrible. I'll bet no one would think twice if he were caught drinking a glass of whiskey, yet I have never heard of anyone smoking a joint and getting behind the wheel of a car and killing someone, or getting belligerent in public and starting a fight or causing a scene, OR having to go to the emergency room to get their stomach pumped because they basically OD'ed on it. However, I have heard of all of those things happening when people were intoxicated on alcohol.

Yeah because weed is SOOO horrible. I'll bet no one would think twice if he were caught drinking a glass of whiskey, yet I have never heard of anyone smoking a joint and getting behind the wheel of a car and killing someone, or getting belligerent in public and starting a fight or causing a scene, OR having to go to the emergency room to get their stomach pumped because they basically OD'ed on it. However, I have heard of all of those things happening when people were intoxicated on alcohol.

Yeah because weed is SOOO horrible. I'll bet no one would think twice if he were caught drinking a glass of whiskey, yet I have never heard of anyone smoking a joint and getting behind the wheel of a car and killing someone, or getting belligerent in public and starting a fight or causing a scene, OR having to go to the emergency room to get their stomach pumped because they basically OD'ed on it. However, I have heard of all of those things happening when people were intoxicated on alcohol.

Any time you see a swimmer drop 7 seconds from her personal time in an event, you have to raise questions about "how"? I personally don't think there is any way a 16 yr old girl could swim times faster than a fully mature world class, record holding male swimmer. (Lochte). This girl should be tested for every know PED known to man, and that may not be enough. The Chinese have been burned in an Olympics recently for doping on a very large scale, and a spokesman for their team even admitted that they did. (Trying to justify it by stating that the U.S. and Russia did the same so why shouldn't they)? This type of admission should also raise serious concerns about he result this swimmer posted.
If she did perform cleanly, kudo's to her for a once in a generation type performance. But………..

Any time you see a swimmer drop 7 seconds from her personal time in an event, you have to raise questions about "how"? I personally don't think there is any way a 16 yr old girl could swim times faster than a fully mature world class, record holding male swimmer. (Lochte). This girl should be tested for every know PED known to man, and that may not be enough. The Chinese have been burned in an Olympics recently for doping on a very large scale, and a spokesman for their team even admitted that they did. (Trying to justify it by stating that the U.S. and Russia did the same so why shouldn't they)? This type of admission should also raise serious concerns about he result this swimmer posted.
If she did perform cleanly, kudo's to her for a once in a generation type performance. But………..

Any time you see a swimmer drop 7 seconds from her personal time in an event, you have to raise questions about "how"? I personally don't think there is any way a 16 yr old girl could swim times faster than a fully mature world class, record holding male swimmer. (Lochte). This girl should be tested for every know PED known to man, and that may not be enough. The Chinese have been burned in an Olympics recently for doping on a very large scale, and a spokesman for their team even admitted that they did. (Trying to justify it by stating that the U.S. and Russia did the same so why shouldn't they)? This type of admission should also raise serious concerns about he result this swimmer posted.
If she did perform cleanly, kudo's to her for a once in a generation type performance. But………..

Gee lets see, she's on a team that has been bustsd twice for doping in pasr competitions…and turns in an incredible time in an event she hadnt won…emmm, yeah I'm sure its just because she's young and "things happen"!!!

Gee lets see, she's on a team that has been bustsd twice for doping in pasr competitions…and turns in an incredible time in an event she hadnt won…emmm, yeah I'm sure its just because she's young and "things happen"!!!

We are so quick to condemn in our society these days, whether it be sports competition, business, politics, industry or whatever. Unless we are personally involved in one of these, we don't really know, do we? Achievers seem to be always condemned these days for cheating, even if we don't know that they have cheated. Yes, there are the few, or even many. But this just casts doubt on the majority of legitimate achievers, and the shame goes to all of us for judging before we know the facts.

We are so quick to condemn in our society these days, whether it be sports competition, business, politics, industry or whatever. Unless we are personally involved in one of these, we don't really know, do we? Achievers seem to be always condemned these days for cheating, even if we don't know that they have cheated. Yes, there are the few, or even many. But this just casts doubt on the majority of legitimate achievers, and the shame goes to all of us for judging before we know the facts.

amen!

amen!

why can't a girl stronger than a man???

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. She's juicin. She wasnt even winded.

you just can't stand the others are better than you, do you?

Not ALL Chinese…….
I don't cheat on anything once I knew the meaning of cheating.

Kornelia Ender was doped

you know she was doping, there is no way a average swimer like her can pull that off when her other raaves show she wasnt fast enough in training, yet here she beatsa champs time? she should have her medal revoked! doping is cheating, and everyone know she is doping. most of the team is. their coach even admitted to doping saying "well other teams do it so we should be able to do it too.

Very offensive. One doesn't have to be a 'he' to do well in sports.

Given the pressure that parents, corporate sponsors, governments, and the athletes themselves put on these young athletes, I can see them looking for any and all competitive edges legal and otherwise. It's just the dark side of human nature.

your history will always teach you all of the above, stay that way, and be your "old self"

your history will always teach you all of the above, stay that way, and be your "old self"

your history will always teach you all of the above, stay that way, and be your "old self"

they test her now it wouldnt be in her system anymore so they get away with cheating.

they test her now it wouldnt be in her system anymore so they get away with cheating.

they test her now it wouldnt be in her system anymore so they get away with cheating.

I don't trust the Chinese at all. And yes, I do believe they cheated with their little girls in the gymnastic competition in Bejing in 2008. I do say, innocent until proven guilty, but then, I can only stand in amazement at her swim and wonder, how the heck is that possible?

anete problem is what woman can dunk like blake griffin, what woman can run like tyson gay, what woman can hit a golf ball like tiger……. got it. now the question is how can a sixteen year girl who just had her first cycle out swim a man 8 years her senior and beat him a world class athlete by five seconds. i guess if you read the bible it says woman are stronger than men because they can give birth.

You have your opinions, too, it seems. Nothing wrong with doubting when things appear to be out of whack. And they do seem out of whack in this case. Let's see what happens. Will you apologize if you are proven wrong?

It has NOTHING to do with her win or the fact the Americans lost, get a clue!! She swam as fast as the fastest man at the Olympics and that has never been done before. If you actually saw the race you would know what the issue was and it had nothing to do with America.

delia take this nonsense you're spewing elsewhere!! to anyone who has trained years in any sport this raises eyebrows… then to bring the chinese into the equation make it even more suspicious because they are notorious for doping ! the worlds best performance enhancement drugs are created in china! these are undetectable in urine test. this nonsense you talk about simply passing a urine test is so laughable!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

hmmm, the chinese won the 2008 beijing olympic, no way, no way, it has never happen before, they all liers and cheaters…talk about pathetic!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

It should be questioned. To swim the fourth stage undoubtedly her stamina could not allow her to be faster than a Ryan's only stage where he has the advantage of full stamina and a dive. Check for drugs and/or a penis!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

wagner, you need to accept the fact that it's widly known throughout the sports community that the chinese lie, they cheat and they steal!

because the best and undetectable steroids are made in china and a simple urine test wont detect what she is on! they need to take a blood sample from her!

I will indeed, if that is the case…now your term.

It wouldn't surprise me if China were doping. They have had a history of cheating in the Olympics.. just look at the gymnastics team from the 2000 Olympics, for those of you that keep asking for proof, when they enetered gymnasts that were not eligible to compete because of their age. If I am wrong, which I hope I am, then I'm wrong and would give her a proper congratulations, but China does not have a good track record when it comes to following the rules in the past.

she did, she won the fastest man as the fast woman . That is called history by human being. it always has a first time, you are too fool to believe.

she did, she won the fastest man as the fast woman . That is called history by human being. it always has a first time, you are too fool to believe.

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

how much more hate can you get for these "poor" chinese people??

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

Pfft. Let me see the evidence that she was "doping" and then I will say. Until then, let the girl enjoy her victory. She is not guilty until proven innocent just because she has done something worth while. That kind of thinking is wrong. Yes Shiwen should always be considered innocent until proven guilty. That is the only fair thing.

well, the age cheat accusation was found to be true. It was determined that she was 14 years old at the beijing olympics.

I guess it is a first time for everything ….So now, it is a time for someone to win from the "fastest man in the Olympics"….. Probably, Mr. Leonard would not make a big deal, if the girl was an American, in a way, it has to do, about being an American, or not.. .Of course, everybody wants to win all the time….It is not shame in admitting…. We get sponsorships, cover in magazines, and we go to morning shows and everybody wants to go out with us for brunches and cafes, etc…..we are humans, it is nice to win ….

there was no timing flaw it was taped and timed

Scott Morris

Scott, base on your experience that chinese girl cheated?? instead of seeing Delia's view, before accusation, test it first.

I don't blame you, actually I some how agree. it is impossible… same as seeing chinese delivery person on the bike, they HAVE to be illegal… and when I see bunch of black kids talking gangster, I presume that they just got off library studying…

It would be really cool if she did it without doping. But this is China we're talking about here- they're all about nationalism so I wouldn't put it past them to try to cheat.

can a man endure the pain of giving birth???

can a man endure the pain of giving birth???

can a man endure the pain of giving birth???

can a man endure the pain of giving birth???

can a man endure the pain of giving birth???

can a man endure the pain of giving birth???

Alls I know is if she was not on dope than the ones acussing her should be baned for life from anything to do with the sport.

Alls I know is if she was not on dope than the ones acussing her should be baned for life from anything to do with the sport.

Alls I know is if she was not on dope than the ones acussing her should be baned for life from anything to do with the sport.

Alls I know is if she was not on dope than the ones acussing her should be baned for life from anything to do with the sport.

Alls I know is if she was not on dope than the ones acussing her should be baned for life from anything to do with the sport.

Alls I know is if she was not on dope than the ones acussing her should be baned for life from anything to do with the sport.

simply she it's Asian. she's got slant eye, and yellow skin…

simply she it's Asian. she's got slant eye, and yellow skin…

simply she it's Asian. she's got slant eye, and yellow skin…

simply she it's Asian. she's got slant eye, and yellow skin…

simply she it's Asian. she's got slant eye, and yellow skin…

simply she it's Asian. she's got slant eye, and yellow skin…

Americans had done disgusting. Baseless speculation that Chinese had achieved good results other Americans began to go crazy.

Americans had done disgusting. Baseless speculation that Chinese had achieved good results other Americans began to go crazy.

Americans had done disgusting. Baseless speculation that Chinese had achieved good results other Americans began to go crazy.

Americans had done disgusting. Baseless speculation that Chinese had achieved good results other Americans began to go crazy.

Americans had done disgusting. Baseless speculation that Chinese had achieved good results other Americans began to go crazy.

Americans had done disgusting. Baseless speculation that Chinese had achieved good results other Americans began to go crazy.

Scott Morris come on dude, seriously. i beg you to test her out, if you got a clue. without proofs, you should be quiet to say anything.

Knowing she was going to be tested the Chinese have probably developed more undetectable drugs. Can the IOC detect without a doubt? On the subject of swimming the mens 4 x 100m – after 3 legs Lochte was handed over about a 4 or 5 foot lead. He of the world record then got beaten by the French swimmer. Very disappointing so maybe Phelps should have retained the 4th leg of the relay?

Robert Mason No I did not Get It. ….How possible that a man such as yourself, knows so much about the girls cycle, and how the subject of swimming gets into "peoples cycle"….For you to think, Mr. Mason , that women are not only good to give birth, but also to "out swim" a man 8 years her senior….I have nothing to say about," tiger, griffin, tyson"…since they have zero to do about the subject of swimming pools…..

Why not just have an open class where EVERYONE HAS to be on performance enhancing drugs? I bet we'd see some freeky things happen.

Why not just have an open class where EVERYONE HAS to be on performance enhancing drugs? I bet we'd see some freeky things happen.

'tis a saying "innocent until proven guilty." She is innocent, was proven innocent, and people are still suspicious. Scott Morris, perhaps you are the one who is spewing nonsense. If you think doping is undetectable, then how do you know Phelps wasn't using it? Lochte? Use your brain man, this is the Olympics so cheating isn't as easy as it looks. And her growth as an athlete has been recorded so it's not like she just came out of the blue and beat everyone.

'tis a saying "innocent until proven guilty." She is innocent, was proven innocent, and people are still suspicious. Scott Morris, perhaps you are the one who is spewing nonsense. If you think doping is undetectable, then how do you know Phelps wasn't using it? Lochte? Use your brain man, this is the Olympics so cheating isn't as easy as it looks. And her growth as an athlete has been recorded so it's not like she just came out of the blue and beat everyone.

The most alarming part of this situation, which no one seems to mention, is the Chinese doctor that ADMITTED the Chinese were doping in the past. Couple that with the fact that Yes posted an absolutely astonishing final 100, and you have a very probable case for doping. Test her for everything you can think of and let's figure it out. If this were an American, they'd be bringing everything they could at her. They are still trying to prove Lance Armstrong was a doper.

Being a president of a renounced sports organisation hastily accused an outstanding swimmer of doping was without wisdom. It has now proved his observation and judgement was weak.

I'll say this… Asians are damn amazing people. It seems that whatever we (Westerners) do they manage to do with more skill, not that I'm anti-Western. It's kinda a joke isn't it? Asian-level difficulty? I also agree with what some others have said, that Chinese train differently from us. So I say test her if the IOC feels there's dirty play. If she's clean then she won't mind the test but just because something unlikely happens doesn't mean its impossible just unlikely.

The history has already proved your judgement was wrong.

well said Heather! May be they've changed their sex that's why they're commenting this way….

A bit about China's history with drug use:

China won 12 of the 16 women's titles at the 1994 world championships in Rome but these achievements were sullied less than a month later when seven Chinese swimmers tested positive for banned drugs at the Asian Games in Hiroshima.

At the 1998 world championships in Perth, four Chinese competitors were sent home after testing positive for steroids. It came a week after one of their team mates and her coach were caught smuggling human growth hormone at Sydney Airport.

China's top backstroke swimmer and record holder Ouyang Kunpeng, now 29, was given a lifetime ban after he tested positive for the same substance a month before the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The ban was later changed to two years.

In 2009, five junior Chinese swimmers were banned for two years by the country's swimming association after they tested positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol – a performance-enhancing drug.

And in June Chinese state media said 16-year-old Li Zhesi, part of the country’s winning team at the 2009 World Championships, had tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, EPO, which boosts the body’s oxygen supplies.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181553/Ye-Shiwen-Olympic-committee-chief-sticking-Chinese-swimmer.html#ixzz22ElkoyVX.

wawa348 A woman's body releases naturally occurring hormones to help ease pain during birthing; actually other mammals have this feature too. It's nothing to be smug about.

It has nothing to do with nationality either but you keep bringing that up. Lance Armstrong is American and he's still fighting allegations because he did something nobody else has. If a 16yo American girl swam like that the whole world would be just as suspicious. She beat the other swimmers by a long shot, that is not normal.

wawa348 omgod she had a baby in the pool while swimming,,,and still won,,ohboma

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

should I assume that some American athlets might be a 'men prostitutes' without any solid proof and talk around to the press? Yeah, time will prove, and time has proved he was totally 'wrong'. Who is pathetic? You
or those who has doubt, but hold it until the test result has come out?

As a former collegiate swimmer, you've not even been chosen for the Olympic game, but you're making a judgement like 'definite'. Yes, time will prove, and time has proved that she is clean and have achieved this result by her own ability and deligent practice. Good lesson for you all to learn — never say NEVER, there will always be an EXCEPTION!

thats because michael phelps has bee tested over 100 times..clueless…lets be real here girls at that level cant swim faster than men at that level..thats just a fact..when phelps broke all those records in china..the chinese accused him of cheating and he passed all the tests.but that was him breaking another mans record ..this is a little different because its a woman swimming faster than a man in the last 50 of a 400 IM…thats why it seems way off.

Freda Ou,I think your just chinese and are refusing to see the truth about that country. Every time we invent or improve somthing China steals it. Those people cant do anything themseleves without cheating stealing or manipulating things.

Anete Villela , We dont have a problem with losing it's losing to countries that always try to cheat in everything they do that pisses me off. who wants to lose to a cheater nobody!

Really Scott…?*Every single one* of them? For sure? You know this *one* girl who's worked and struggled her whole life is the same as the gov't…?

I'm no scientist or super athlete so I wouldn't know anything about blood doping and such, however, if this girl is only 16, then the doping would have had to have started at 12 or less maybe to get her to this level. I think she is just a freak of nature with the ability to be a real good swimmer, however, I could be wrong. Messing with a child at 12 or less as far as doping, steroids and such, it just doesn't make sense to me. Wouldn't there have been physiological damages by now. The kid is still growing. So, does anyone suspect Phelps of doping or growth hormones…I mean he is is winning every swimming event. Go figure……

Well said Nan, I know it was hard for any American to accept this result, particularly beaten by a teen of just 16 years old. What happen when Phelps 1st crowned champion and won 6 gold metals, it was his 1st time in the Olympic, he was only a part time swimmer than a professional one. We never doubt that he did doping. But if you watch this year, he did not win every race, some new people has risen to take some of the gold metals. Nothing wrong about this, that is good sign anyway.

It was just that………..impossible. We don't know what she used but it should be remembered she is just a young kid with absolutely no say about what happens in her life in such an authoritarian society. The fault lies with her coaches, their swimming associations, the Chinese scientists who developed whatever they did to her and the Authoritarian Government who allowed such a practice. Yes, it was an "impossible" feat. Cheating usually leads to that.

Lol the chinese olympic commitee is part of the government.

Phelps isn't really known for blowing away the competition. He's an excellent swimmer but his big thing was winning golds… not obliterating records. She swam faster than the fastest male swimmer in the games. That is questionable. If an American woman did that I'd say the exact same thing. It needs to be investigated. If she didn't dope… then great complete kudos to her. but a person can't just ignore the very real possibility.

Ok Scott, let's assume all you said was right, because the CHINESE MAKE performance enhancement drugs are the best and CANNOT BE DETECTED, so every body is using it, so every body is cheating except AMERICANS! HAIL AMERICANS, HAIL AMERICAN ATHLETS, hail HONEST AMERICANS! No need to have Olympic anymore, because every body else is cheating except Americans. I would suggest America should boycott the Olympic in 2016……

Ok Scott, let's assume all you said was right, because the CHINESE MAKE performance enhancement drugs are the best and CANNOT BE DETECTED, so every body is using it, so every body is cheating except AMERICANS! HAIL AMERICANS, HAIL AMERICAN ATHLETS, hail HONEST AMERICANS! No need to have Olympic anymore, because every body else is cheating except Americans. I would suggest America should boycott the Olympic in 2016……

China's former Olympic doctor Dr Chen said as a result of allegations of cheating levelled at Yes Shiwen in the women's 400m IM that China had cleaned up its act in the 1990's and that it would be impossible for an elite Chinese athlete to get away with deliberate doping. No, they haven't China has gotten smarter in coming up with substances that are undetectable through conventional testing methods. If it looks and sounds impossible, then it is.

If history taught us anything is that there are sure a lot of dumb people on this planet with internet access

just think in a minute the chinese would do anything too get medal I beleived they did gene manipulation on her at an experiment that all if he was drug love too know where I can get it hahahaha.

Don't guess and accuse. Test. If you can't prove she doped then shut the F up.

you idiot

Freda – I have literally NEVER seen a woman come close to outsplitting a man in elite competition. This is not a judgement. I have been around a TON of very gifted (granted, not Olympic caliber) female and male swimmers and have never seen it happen. The world has never seen it happen. I guarantee if you talked to any female swimmer in the US, she would tell you that she would never think it possible to outsplit a guy of equal ability. And again, as I said before, I have NEVER seen anyone, man or woman, finish as strong as Ye (who was an unknown until about a day ago). Have you ever swum a 400 IM? Did you even know it existed until 2 days ago? I think I'm a bit more qualified than you to make an assessment about what is likely possible and what is likely improbably in this situation.

Either way you seem pathetic and defensive.

Could just be an amazing athletic achievement, records are meant to be broken. And yes, occasionally, shattered. Someday, this one will fall too. For now, she should enjoy all the accolades that go with it.

china is supper in everything in the world….

Phelps and Lotche didn't do something superhuman. Phelps won events but he didn't shatter records by 15 seconds or anything insane like that. What she did is the equivalent. And you're telling me they're using ancient honor code training? what? if they've been doing that then why haven't the Chinese been dominating if their training is capable of making a female swimmer faster than the fastest male swimmer.

How do you know she's innocent? she hasn't been reevaluated. This is the olympics so the level of cheating has to be very advanced…. such as forging papers to sneak underage athletes onto the gym team. there were 107 athletes who got banned for doping. You don't think it's a least possible that someone could have slipped through? It's happened before. But no, she's Chinese… they never cheat at anything…. (china violates all international copyright laws as well, so i'm surprised there isn't an olimpics (sp wrong on purpose) they hold every 4 years just for themselves.)

Ummmmmm let's test her and find out already!

Delia Li i think Scoot morris make point..i heard the same thing..n but what i heard is the athlete consume it before the certain day/date (ex :30 days) prior to examination/urine test or something like that..n it go undetectable but there still some that can improve performance of the athlete.but i dont know if she using it or not..just saying

Of course not….It would not be "Overpopulation either"…Since they are not the ones giving birth…..

Maybe it's true…everything is "made in China" even records, lol.

Scott, in response to your comments, I would suggest you do a bit of research before your hasty comments. The drug check in England is currently the most sophisticated anti-doping operation — both blood and urine samples have been test for both the Olympic and the Paralympics. 150 scientists on duty around the clock within a $30M worth laboratory in Harlow, Essex to do the check. The drug test is fully accredited by the WADA and reconised to be the most hi-tech and serious drug in the world. So stop confusing every body and wake up to the technology today!!!

wawa, that's why I blame it on the evil media…I when was a kid, I always found black people were not attrative

LOL!

Let's test you ya old hag.

Garrett Moe China is a communist country that wants glory. Imagine the shame, the dishonor, of being caught cheating. This is what the chinese athletes previously caught doping had to face. Scorn, hate mail, and most of all, embarrasment for China's government. You haven't lived in China so you wouldn't know, but they vigorously test all of their own athletes before they even leave the country.
Remember, Lochte was swimming the final stretch of the 400 meter IM, a notoriously difficult, strenuous event and even he said that he was fatigued at the end. Ye was only doing freestyle which is considerably easier. Yet she only beat him by a second.

Michael Phelps is using drugs since 2000 ; why don't you talk about it? fuck you John Leonard…..fuck you american…

aren't they all cheaters-that's how they got there in the first place!

aren't they all cheaters-that's how they got there in the first place!

I believe in miracles. If Yes Shewin attributes her "amazing " feat to faith in a divine power, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, I would not rule out the appealing suggestion that doping can make an impossible feat possible.

I believe in miracles. If Yes Shewin attributes her "amazing " feat to faith in a divine power, I'd give her the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, I would not rule out the appealing suggestion that doping can make an impossible feat possible.

LOL!! Get off my comentary!!!!!

LOL!! Get off my comentary!!!!!

She is clean until proven dopped THUS, she should get the credit she deserves until proven wrong. And if you think a women can not be faster then a man, look how fast a women gets a headache… no man could get one that fast.

what fact, fact base on our OWN GUESS?! What 'fact' means 'some evidence exists that you can base on to make the judgement'. The 'fact' is: U.K.'s drug test is testing both blood and urine, there is no way for any body to escape from the test, the fact is: Ye has won with her ability and hard work. Wake up to the reality!

Being a swimmer and a water polo player, the mere fact that this girl swam faster than a man, is by itself cause for question. Those that immediately think ' " Wow, what an achiever! " are in serious need of a REALITY check. China will ALWAYS try to outdo everybody because they are a ' territorial ' nation. This means LOTS of lying, cheating, etc…

I didn't say that she cheated. I just think they should have a competition for doped up athletes….then there is no guessing. These days it seems that anyone who breaks a world record is suspicious. I don't know any women that get headaches……;-)

you fucker , china is # 1 in everything in the world

you are absolutely right…

you are absolutely right…

you are absolutely right…

you are absolutely right…

she just beat herself with a new record…so, people still think she's cheating, then those people are not just insulting the chinese people, they also insulting the intelligence of the olympic committee.

Louis, jelousy drives you crazy….

might not be in your side of world, but popular in U.K. that those who smokes weeds had deadly accidents, involved in criminal damages and fights…

might not be in your side of world, but popular in U.K. that those who smokes weeds had deadly accidents, involved in criminal damages and fights…

Maybe she had to go to the bathroom…

Damien, the Olympic authority tests every one, both blood and urine, no matter who you are.

Someone said "Phelps did train that hard". The truth is, Phelps himself admitted that he DID NOT train as he should have and blamed that for his loss to Lochte…..

Swimonu07, she was not swimming the 400, she was swimming the 100. READ what the article says.

@Wagner Ta. You can't stand that her times are questionable, and deservedly so. I don't think it's fair to judge an entirety of people on the past of a few, but when amazing feats like this happen, historically that person is drug tested. It's not fair to the other athletes to trust another just because we don't want to offend, which clearly by all of your responses to any suspicion, we already have. If she didn't get tested people would complain about special treatment, which would raise further suspicions. Test her for all possible PEDs. Until that happens though, I think everyone is getting a little prematurely heated.

David, you said 'China always try to outdo everybody …' may be because they are strong in many areas. America is also strong in many areas, are they NOT territorial nation? Do you mean the Europeans and the Americans DO NOT lie? Look at Leman brothers, look at Bill Clinton, look at Barclays Bank (false account), I can list out thousands of world news to prove both the Americans and Europeans lie and cheat, etc……

Delia Li Yes… You said it. It has nothing to do about honored traditions. It has to do with communism. I wouldn't doubt that Chinese athletes train in ways that other countries think are impossible. Want to know why, because they are forced into it by their government. Young children are taken from their parents to be "made" into Olympic athletes. Shame and dishonor? Really… China has been caught cheating numerous times in the past in swimming specifically! So why in the heck would you think people are raising an eyebrow at this! 1 second in swimming might as well be a pool length. Bottom line is something fishy is going on.

Well, if you want to comfort yourselves by saying they're all 'cheaters' to make your feeling better, then go on………hope this heal you guys better…..

Well, if you want to comfort yourselves by saying they're all 'cheaters' to make your feeling better, then go on………hope this heal you guys better…..

We are all generalizing an entirety of people, including all of the Asians on here. How can any of us say "all chinese do this…" or "all americans are like this…". Generalizations and unfair expectations are what's wrong with people.

Are we not talking about 'present' and 'facts and figures'?? Otherwise, every one is cheater when has a gold metal.

Obviously Don Puckett cannot read!

Sarah, you should have a gold metal too for'fabrication' and being a 'big lyer'…..cause you said it 'super natural, congrad!

Were you in China? Based on your comment, I'd have to say you haven't. The Communist government did not take lightly the cheating by athletes previously caught doping. This is the chance for them to earn glory, for their athletes and their country to shine. You think they would ever allow themselves to be humiliated like they were before, when their entire nationality was scorned?
Because China has been caught cheating numerous times before, this is the reason the government cannot let this happen again. There is no base to these accusations. Nothing has been proven.
When Phelps wins all his gold medals, everyone thinks he's the sensation and he's all great. When Ye wins, everyone accuses her of doping. Can anyone win, or is it just the Americans who are allowed to win everything? Is it because she's Chinese, she's a girl, or because she's a teenager? Or because she's all three?

if it smells like a rat and looks like a rat good chances that it is a RAT.

if it smells like a rat and looks like a rat good chances that it is a RAT.

Craig , it DEFINITELY got to do with the Americans, cause it was an American man who started the whole discussion about suspecting Ye cheated. I actually saw the race myself in England.

Craig, there is always something abnormal to happen. Zuckerberg at the age of 23 started Facebook and is now the owner and CEO of a company worths more than US250B. There is ALWAYS a possibility for everything…

There are many women more intelligent, can run fast than me, and giving birth is a good example. I am not saying it is impossible, but highly unlikely. They are also women who can lift more weight than I. They excel at every job in the work place and hopefully one day become president. As I retired Marine I welcome their entry into combat roles. I have served with many women who are every bit as capable as their male counterparts. But in sports Svetlana Masterkova holds the record for the fastest mile ever run by a woman. She ran the mile in 4:12:86 on Aug. 14, 1996 and I ran a mile in high school in 4:09.and 3:43.13 and Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco, 7 July 1999 in Rome. For 100 meters 9.58 – Usain Bolt and Florence Griffith-Joyner holds the women's world record of 10.49 seconds. It is the physiology that determines when it comes to sports.

There are many women more intelligent, can run fast than me, and giving birth is a good example. I am not saying it is impossible, but highly unlikely. They are also women who can lift more weight than I. They excel at every job in the work place and hopefully one day become president. As I retired Marine I welcome their entry into combat roles. I have served with many women who are every bit as capable as their male counterparts. But in sports Svetlana Masterkova holds the record for the fastest mile ever run by a woman. She ran the mile in 4:12:86 on Aug. 14, 1996 and I ran a mile in high school in 4:09.and 3:43.13 and Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco, 7 July 1999 in Rome. For 100 meters 9.58 – Usain Bolt and Florence Griffith-Joyner holds the women's world record of 10.49 seconds. It is the physiology that determines when it comes to sports.

There are many women more intelligent, can run fast than me, and giving birth is a good example. I am not saying it is impossible, but highly unlikely. They are also women who can lift more weight than I. They excel at every job in the work place and hopefully one day become president. As I retired Marine I welcome their entry into combat roles. I have served with many women who are every bit as capable as their male counterparts. But in sports Svetlana Masterkova holds the record for the fastest mile ever run by a woman. She ran the mile in 4:12:86 on Aug. 14, 1996 and I ran a mile in high school in 4:09.and 3:43.13 and Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco, 7 July 1999 in Rome. For 100 meters 9.58 – Usain Bolt and Florence Griffith-Joyner holds the women's world record of 10.49 seconds. It is the physiology that determines when it comes to sports.

There are many women more intelligent, can run fast than me, and giving birth is a good example. I am not saying it is impossible, but highly unlikely. They are also women who can lift more weight than I. They excel at every job in the work place and hopefully one day become president. As I retired Marine I welcome their entry into combat roles. I have served with many women who are every bit as capable as their male counterparts. But in sports Svetlana Masterkova holds the record for the fastest mile ever run by a woman. She ran the mile in 4:12:86 on Aug. 14, 1996 and I ran a mile in high school in 4:09.and 3:43.13 and Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco, 7 July 1999 in Rome. For 100 meters 9.58 – Usain Bolt and Florence Griffith-Joyner holds the women's world record of 10.49 seconds. It is the physiology that determines when it comes to sports.

There are many women more intelligent, can run fast than me, and giving birth is a good example. I am not saying it is impossible, but highly unlikely. They are also women who can lift more weight than I. They excel at every job in the work place and hopefully one day become president. As I retired Marine I welcome their entry into combat roles. I have served with many women who are every bit as capable as their male counterparts. But in sports Svetlana Masterkova holds the record for the fastest mile ever run by a woman. She ran the mile in 4:12:86 on Aug. 14, 1996 and I ran a mile in high school in 4:09.and 3:43.13 and Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco, 7 July 1999 in Rome. For 100 meters 9.58 – Usain Bolt and Florence Griffith-Joyner holds the women's world record of 10.49 seconds. It is the physiology that determines when it comes to sports.

Scott Tomlin, if I can find JUST ONE THING that China doesn't cheat then your statement is proven 'a lie', So I must say — YOU ARE A BIG LIAR! Have you ever cheated? If you cheated once and is labelled 'liar' forever, what will you think? Give every one a break….

Garrett Moe , now she has been checked both blood and urine, has the rumor and the judgement left her since?!

Scott Tomlin, you too!

The fact that the Chinese have a track record that would cause the world great concern about a sixteen yr. old female swimmer posting an unheard of time for the last 50 meters of a four hundred meter race has certainly raised a red flag. These kind of sports "miracles" , ala Bonds, MacQuire, Sosa, Ben Johnson, etc., if not accomplished without benefit of some type of drug enhancement, demean the sport and insult the perpetrators fellow competitors. If Ms. Shiwen is in fact clean she deserves our praise. If she is not, shame on her and the Chinese!

I'll keep my mouth shut and leave it to the professionals to sort it out. Major kudos if it is legit, an amazing feat, congratulations. The result is too significant to avoid scrutiny, so any athelete that performs that far ahead of the pack will be challenged and tested- they shouldn't be offended it comes with the territory.

I'll keep my mouth shut and leave it to the professionals to sort it out. Major kudos if it is legit, an amazing feat, congratulations. The result is too significant to avoid scrutiny, so any athelete that performs that far ahead of the pack will be challenged and tested- they shouldn't be offended it comes with the territory.

Mi Lie Sumei, if there is something like that, I believe every body is doing it, including the Europeans, the Americans, Asians and the whole world….

Mi Lie Sumei, if there is something like that, I believe every body is doing it, including the Europeans, the Americans, Asians and the whole world….

Garrett Moe, what are you saying, Ye only beat the Australian swimmer by 1 second!

Freda Ou HA! yes, it is only Americans questioning the results, right? An Olympic coach saying he has never seen anything remotely close to this holds more weight than sour grapes.

Are those GILLS on the side of her neck? Amazing performances are not anomalies like this.
People were AMAZED at Rosie Ruiz at first too.

American swimmer. And yes, he had been swimming a much more demanding race that was twice the length of what Ye was swimming. Since they tested her immediately after the race, there's no way she could have gotten away with it.

Gilbert Chaussenery, if you can't handle a discussion in a sensible way but calling people 'idiot' for no valid reason, I would suggest that you go home and take a cold shower to calm yourself down before you suffer a heart attack.

Come on people use your heads….she smashed her personal best time by 5 SECONDS! (and the WR by a full second) Elite athletes in swimming measure their best progress in TENTHS of seconds. It is extremely unlikely that she did this without some sort of pharmaceutical enhancement.

The Chinese Olympic Committee cheats? Gee, that's hard to believe. Next you'll tell me that North Korea is not a peoples' paradise.

I'm with Kristi!…and Jessica! LOL!

swimonu07 , the way China trained their swimmer is unbelievable. They have sport school and college. Children started their training as young as 5, every day for 6-10 hours, other than doing their own studies. They are brought up in a extreme demanding way, by knowing just one goal — to win. I don't think you can judge with your common sense and practice in your own country. Their every day goal is to 'break the record'!

The article says she swam the 400 but swam faster then Lochte in the last 100…

I know Jessica…lol….she's a little punk…

And your one of them.

And your one of them.

For people saying that it is just here great training…

"To swim three other splits at the rate that she did, which was quite ordinary for elite competition, and then unleash a historic anomaly, it is just not right."

Sounds like her other races were average, and then…WOW…..sounds fishy to me…

What does me being in China have to do with doping or the Chinese having a communist government? I am not seeing the connection you are making here. Anyways, back on subject. So you are saying Lochte was swimming a much more demanding race than Ye was? and it was twice the length? 800 IM? I wasn't aware that there was such an event? Lochte and Ye swam the same race yet Ye's final 50 meters was faster than that of Lochte's, faster than "her personal best" by 5 seconds, and faster than the closest competitor (Australian NOT American) by 1 second. Those three "Feats" are pretty incredible. "only by 1 second" is a heck of a lot in swimming (Not that either of you know much about swimming based on your posts here). 5 seconds is a ridiculous amount of time. The reason Phelps and Lochte are not questioned when they win gold or break World records is because they don't CRUSH the record or CRUSH the competition. they win by fractions of a second. Tenths or even thousandths… Not entire seconds.. come one. I think Ye needs an immediate blood test. Not urine.. Blood. Heck if Ye was Lance Armstrong blood samples, stool samples, urine samples and any other imaginable sample would have already been taken. I vote for no communist country to participate in the Olympics period. The Chinese are famous for cheating and before them the communist East Germans tried cheating their way through the Olympics. Fact is fact… sorry!!

he started training right before he came into the games, while he should be trainging all along, and Loche is going to take it frm Phelps.

Just because I support the athlete doesn't mean I support the country she came from, or the form of government that it uses. Westerners simply hate communism, and I can't disagree with them that it's a plainly sucky form of government. But the Olympics are meant to unite countries in competition, and the exclusion of Communist countries would only fuel their hatred for the West.
But the fact is, so far she hasn't been proven guilty. I stand by the saying "innocent until proven guilty" and since there isn't any proof yet, there really isn't any reason to keep accusing her. How do you know that she isn't just an incredibly talented 16 year-old? Maybe she's just great at finishing her final sprint faster then the rest of her race. FYI, Lochte's time was 4:05 and Ye's was 4:28, so she simply finished the last 50 meters faster than him. Believe me, world records have been broken by 1 second or more.

I'll go with doping. The Chinese will do anything to win medals.(try searching the ages of their gymnasts in the last Olympics)

There are female athletes who outperform male ones in swimming (& other sports) routinely. Just because it makes your balls shrink a little bit; doesn't mean it doesn't happen. #DealWithIt

There are female athletes who outperform male ones in swimming (& other sports) routinely. Just because it makes your balls shrink a little bit; doesn't mean it doesn't happen. #DealWithIt

There are female athletes who outperform male ones in swimming (& other sports) routinely. Just because it makes your balls shrink a little bit; doesn't mean it doesn't happen. #DealWithIt

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I wasn't sure about the exact rules but I knew that sometimes checks are done after as well. It's good then that this person did so well and broke records!

I wasn't sure about the exact rules but I knew that sometimes checks are done after as well. It's good then that this person did so well and broke records!

I wasn't sure about the exact rules but I knew that sometimes checks are done after as well. It's good then that this person did so well and broke records!

I wasn't sure about the exact rules but I knew that sometimes checks are done after as well. It's good then that this person did so well and broke records!

I wasn't sure about the exact rules but I knew that sometimes checks are done after as well. It's good then that this person did so well and broke records!

she came out clean! it's really unbelievable.

she came out clean! it's really unbelievable.

she came out clean! it's really unbelievable.

she came out clean! it's really unbelievable.

she came out clean! it's really unbelievable.

Plain and simple, you have no knowledge of swimming.

Heather. Name one!! Not trying to be sexist but seriously, name one female athlete that has out performed a male in the same "race"…. Name another female swimmer at the Olympic level that has bested the time of a male in the same event/race?

I too was a collegiant swimmer and I did advance to the quarter finals for the seul olympics but I had a car wreck and did not get to advance any further. So I will tell you as an olympic contender that after many hors and hours of weight training and practice and more grueling hours or training that the likelihood of a woman beating a man in a 400 meter race is almost impossible. I am not saying totally impossible but highly unlikely. I swam with men a great deal and at my very best I could not beat men of a much lower caliber racer. I know that men are phsiologically stronger than women. but to compare a highly trained grown man to a teenage girl is not really even in the same class. This is not a high school swim meet it is wold class competition. Women do not outperform male world class atheletes. Blood and urine tests may not show genetic alteration!

Oh sweetie; no one has that kind of time on their hands! Maybe you can convince someone to do the research for you cause you're a typical lazy man –But don't expect the women to do all the work for you–as usual.

Plain and simple, I think you've gone off topic. I don't care too much about the exact numbers, or the form of government, or even the swimming event for that matter. All I care about is the fact that you can't just say that she's guilty if there isn't sufficient evidence to support it. And the crushed world record doesn't seem like hard evidence to me.

Then you don't know much about China. Don't forget the nice little Brits with their "empire that the sun never sets upon." Or the savage Japanese in the Rape of Nanking.

Exactly!!! This has nothing to do with what country anybody is from. There are fantastic atheletes from every country but women do not outperform men in strenghth or qickness. Not today and not ever. We were not created that way. Are women psychologically strong and mentally as adept as men I think so but when it boils down to strength and agility we can not compete in the same areana.

wawa348 that hasbsdolutley nothing to do with performing ahteletically. If the man's body was designed to have babies they would handle that pain as well as we do but since they can't have babies then why even try to make that comparison.

Heather Hancock seems to have the "I am woman, hear me roar" syndrome. Take your senseless banter someplace else. Your comments have no relevant fact.

Heather, by the looks of your photo, you sure as hell aren't outperforming any one in anything other than maybe eatin'… sorry..

Oh you poor little blind small man! I feel sorry for you! Since you can't *see*, poor thing–I'll explain female anatomy to you–since you have no *personal* experience…I am slightly underweight for my height but happen to have enormous breasts naturally–Maybe one day you'll get to see a woman naked and check out breasts for yourself! Best of Luck!

You defend her only because she is Chinese and not because you know anything about swimming or anything else for that matter. Plain and simple. Read some of the other comments above and you will see comments from people who have actually swam competitively at high levels. They will agree that in the event of swimming #1 it is HIGHLY unlikely that a 16 year old female will swim faster than a 20 something year old male #2 you don't just CRUSH world records at this level of competition and #3 it is highly unlikely to best your own personal time by 5 SECONDS in an Olympic swimming event. Is that really hard for you to understand?

Great comeback… you obviously know nothing about sports, swimming or otherwise so why even comment on the allegations? Your breasts will only get you so far honey. It is too bad that your face looks like someone set you aflame and put you out with a sack of nickles. .

Heather Hancock Yeah maybe archery or horse jumping or something but no I hate to bust the bubble but females do not outperform men. Our muscles and our bone structure were not designed to develop muscle tissue the way a man's body is. There has never been a woman that come close to the speed of a man in a foot race. Even the best female golfer in the world just could not compete with the men because she simply could not hit the ball far eonough to be a contender. I would like to say women are equal as much as any other woman but the truth is we just aren't. Not when it comes to phsical strength or agility.

Heather Hancock Yeah maybe archery or horse jumping or something but no I hate to bust the bubble but females do not outperform men. Our muscles and our bone structure were not designed to develop muscle tissue the way a man's body is. There has never been a woman that come close to the speed of a man in a foot race. Even the best female golfer in the world just could not compete with the men because she simply could not hit the ball far eonough to be a contender. I would like to say women are equal as much as any other woman but the truth is we just aren't. Not when it comes to phsical strength or agility.

Good luck with the ladies hillbilly…!

Good luck with the ladies hillbilly…!

Awesome…

I missed the women's gymnastics-the Chinese must not have been able to make toddlers look old enough yet

If it was an american China would be the first country to accuse the US of doping….I say check and if she isn't then cool but if she is doping..then strip her of her medal…..

I wpuldn't be surprised – look at history!

jeff, your accusation for the chinese athletes doping in the passed maybe truth, but no other country did that?? shall we go into the records and see which country did it the most?

Absolute doping involved! The Chinese will be killing you kindly with words while stabbing you in the back…test this girl. Wouldn't surprise me if they had pre-packaged urine samples ready to go then did the bait and switch.

Don Puckett Don put your glasses on. It was the 400.

Freda Ou What? you think collegiate swimmers don't work hard. This girl wreaks of cheating. Sorry but the truth will come out and I hope the IOC takes that medal away. Just l ike in Beijing when they lied and pretended those gymnasts were over 16. Please!

Come on, even Ryan Lochte said with class. Wow, she beat me…but in a way that you could tell he was questioning it himself. NO way she could do this – it wouldn't surprise me if all of them doped. the chinese have a way of figuring how to game the system and fool them. Don't kid yourself, they have america in debt to them, and now with college, they figured out by not putting down they are chinese on the apps, helps them get in. Wisen up…time for the IOC to look into this big time – but they won't bite the hand that feeds them either.

Freda Ou Not buying it at all!

Scott perfect response. I mentioned it before – she probably had pre-packed urine samples of something that could outsmart the doping test. The new test the IOC added was for HGH and told no one so they couldn't figure a way around it. The young gymnasts in Beijing WERE underage…China is getting ridiculous in their cheating.

Maybe but not a 16 yr old that doped.

Sorry Freda the Chinese can outsmart the machines because they built them!

freda, if you used to win a lot, and now you starting to lose, you may get the same reaction as their's.

so

if history has taught us and history seems to repeat itself. I think she is doping.

if history has taught us and history seems to repeat itself. I think she is doping.

jeff, if I were you, I'll show all the documents about these accusations, that will make your case stronger. it's like give us prove of ye doping, before you even open your mouth.

she's dope

I think we are to quick to judge…if she is found guilty after further investigation then so be it…but let's re-frame from any form of defamation and admire the milestone this individual has set.

It isnt suspicious that a chineses girl beat other woman it is suspicious that she topped the mens gold medal split in the same exact event. It does seem very odd that a girl shaves seconds off her previous best times and kinda came outta nowhere to beat win let alone beat swimmers ranked ahead of her from her own country. Congrats for her if this is legit but something seems to good to be true

Don:

Ye Shiwen, the Chinese swimmer with an impossible time in the women’s 400 individual medley has become the center of controversy, as she has been accused of doping.

Does it not say women's 400 individual medley, Don? I do believe, correct me if I am wrong, that individual means one for the most part.

Freda Ou it called" the secret ".the way to cheat..if everybody know about it..what the point everybody doing it? just to get caught? think…think ..think! anyways the lady who told me this is a chinese lady.and she has a daughter n her daughter is athlete.she not saying her daughter use it ..she saying most athlete use some kind of drug but it has a way to make it undetectable..

Congratulation young lady.

korde, no one is resisting the test. I don't see your point of accussing her before she even proven guilty. do you really believe the olympic people will let her get away with 2 gold medals? who is naive here?

Innocent until proven guilty.

If there are any more doubts about some of the athletes morals and scruples in the games, check out this breaking news from the BBC – Unreal:
The Badminton World Federation has charged eight female Olympic doubles players with "not using one's best efforts to win a match". A statement from the BWF confirmed that all four pairs would face charges of "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport".Four pairs of players – two from South Korea, one from China and one from Indonesia – could be disciplined.China's Yu Yang and Wang Xiaoli and South Koreans Jung Kyung-eun and Kim Ha-na were among those accused.Earlier, their match was booed by spectators.Both pairs were already through to the quarter-finals. Reports have suggested they both wanted to lose to secure an easier draw.
The South Korean pair did not comment, but Yu said she and Wang were saving energy for the knockout stages.The longest rally in the first game lasted four shots, with match referee Thorsten Berg coming on to court at one point to warn the players.And a later match between South Korean third seeds Ha Jung-Eun and Kim Min-Jung and Indonesian pair Meiliana Juahari and Greysia Polii is also under scrutiny by the Badminton World Federation.Both pairs of those teams had also already qualified for the knockout stages, with the winner of Group C to play Yu and Wang and the Korean pairs to face each other if Ha and Kim lost.
The Koreans eventually won by two sets to one.

From the looks of things, I'd say look for a penis. Just sayin'.

Too bad china gets caught for doping in almost every olympics lol

I love all the chinese defending this girl. C'mon they test yea, they test for baseball too. There are ways around a drug test. China always gets caught cheating at the olympics.

Freda what you just don't seem to understand is A little 16 year old girl, beat out a man. What sport event do you know of in the world where a women beats a mans score??? Let me hear it because it doesn't exist.

They found her to be clean. Fair and square, girl is a mermaid.

They found her to be clean. Fair and square, girl is a mermaid.

what did you give her boomer??? a BOOMER ZOOMER???

Wagner, of course you would disagree. How can someone pull these factual things out of their head? Search it yourself and get proven wrong.

It's a proven fact, they cheat, lie, and steal. It's that simple. If you don't want to understand or get the point; that's your issue.

Most people will eat their words if this was not true. However, it's hard to believe at this point.

Thank you, Bill Roe! The should just test before the event even starts, if they're that sure that doping could happen. And if not, at least wait until they're sure it was doping before making such vague accusations public. Why even guess at it, when a simple test could prove it either way?

I checked Wiki pages on doping in the Olympics and see more Americans than Chinese on that list.
See for yourself –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_performance-enhancing_drugs_in_the_Olympic_Games

Yet, no one is saying Michael Phelps is doping just because other American athletes did it, so stop your accusations. It is totally lop sided to focus on China's doping without looking at your own. And it is unfair to say someone is doping just because she achieved something significant that your athletes haven't. I can name quite a few Americans that cheated in their sport: Marion Jones, Floyd Landis, Shane Mosley, Barry Bonds, Timothy Montgomery, etc, and I wasn't even trying to name everyone.

Let me remind you of a factual thing, America holds their athletes accountable for their actions. America is embarrassed when their athletes cheat.

No one said Americans have never cheated. The country has held these people to a standard that they need to uphold, if they cheat, they are punished.

I repeat, be careful of what you check. They have been punished. The point is, she needs to be checked thoroughly. Simple.

Let's not even focus just on doping. Recently the NCAA has stripped Penn State of 112 wins due to the scandal caused by the school.

I'm sorry, but we punish those we did wrong. One would argue that the NCAA does not have to go that far, but they did. We accepted it. As a nation, we uphold our rules to the highest.

sour grape is always not very enjoyable, ryan, I hope you prepare your mood, cause the chinese just took in four more golds. people like you can't face that's the fact…well, get use to it, you will feel better, if you do.

I'm not a sour grape, Wagner. You're on this trying to prove your opinion is superior? It's a bit sad and pathetic.

The fact is that South African runner Caster Semenya was subjected to a gender verification, to see if there was anything bad going on. People don't just assume, we try to disprove the myths if we can.

So explain to me, why can't you subject this girl to the same standards the world expects of the others? It's because you favor your own. Next time try to be a little more unbiased.

Think I'm coming down with a headache right now! lol : )

scott morris, I am starting to wonder about your identy, how could anybody be so naive? you of all people know about this so call undetectable drugs, and yet, the olympic committee don't…give me a big fucking break, will you?

Ryan Delos Reyes >> "It's a proven fact, they cheat, lie, and steal. It's that simple."

What kind of f#$%! up statement is that?
And I guess it is a proven fact that Americans don't cheat, don't lie, never steal???

And you are saying that the Olympics committee don't do a thorough check on the athletes when they medal, or that she is an exception? Dude, wake up. Everyone is checked if they medal, and most are checked even if they don't medal.

Of course there are bad apples everywhere, but just like we accepted Michael Phelp's amazing achievements without all these innuendos when it is an American athlete, you should give the same consideration to other athletes who may have special talents and abilities without the same innuendos and accusations. They have trained hard for their medals, and deserve the respects they have earned for their talents and hard work.

Call it a messed up statement if you want, but it's true. It's not just the case in China, it's everywhere else. However, it's more prevalent in China.

You can constantly try to disagree with me, but the fact remains, she should be tested thoroughly. The fact of the matter is that she did what is impossible. It's that simple, do a test that is thorough, then you will be given the applause you so rightly deserve.

kendra, according to your logic, no other country have cheat before then…you are either naive, or bigot, or both.

True, every one is checked. However, there are certain drugs that most likely won't be detected.

I mean are we forgetting the last Olympics and the whole controversy that surrounded their gymnasts? How that girls age was not even investigated. Because people are afraid that if you anger China, they'll hurt you economically.

Stop trying to living in a world where you think people don't cheat. It happens everywhere, I've never once said and/or claimed Americans, or other nations don't or have not cheated.

I also want to constantly stress, that other countries will PUNISH their athletes if found to be guilty of cheating. The fact remains that this is a huge controversy that has to be solved. It is unfair that they are allowed to get away with this.

I've stated, if she's clean I'll eat my words. Other professional swimmers can't even comment, and don't even know how she could've done this. It tells you something.

Maybe you choose not to understand. That's not my issue, that's yours.

I also want to constantly stress, that other countries will PUNISH their athletes if found to be guilty of cheating. The fact remains that this is a huge controversy that has to be solved. It is unfair that they are allowed to get away with this.

I've stated, if she's clean I'll eat my words. Other professional swimmers can't even comment, and don't even know how she could've done this. It tells you something.

Maybe you choose not to understand. That's not my issue, that's yours.

ryan, I am amaze that you even dare to use the word "unbiased". some may let you fool them, but do you really expect the olympic committee are that stupit?? aha, unbiased!

Actually, I hold the Olympic Committee to an extremely high standard. You're the unbiased one who doesn't want a person if found to have cheated have her medal be revoked.

I hold a lot of things to a high standard. They are the authority when it comes to these situations.

ryan, you starting to sound like broken record, you win, how's that?

Really pathetic that you have to succumb to a completely useless comment. That's okay.

I never accused her of cheating. Not once did I say that. I stated that in the past when ANYONE destroys a record they are drug tested, and that's fair. In any sport. You said that Robert Allen "just cant stand others being better than him". He also never accused her of cheating. He even congratulated her if she did it without doping. We are all just raising suspicions that should be brought to attention. The Olympic committee would not be "letting her get away with 2 gold medals" if she did nothing wrong. I think you jump to conclusions about the integrity of our Olympic committee. Who's being presumptuous now?

I think we should just drop a bomb on the comunist bastards and be done with it, once and for all.solve a lot of the worlds problems it would.

Try again. I don't think this comment was hateful or racist enough.

UGH. So a woman beat a man and it is just COMPLETELY unbelievable! I hope she wasn't doping! Everyone will feel so stupid!

Don Puckett I think it was the 400. It was the last 100 and she was swimming freestyle. The author made a mistake. Huge shocker.

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I think the fact that she did her final leg faster then the final leg of the winner of the men' s race is highly suspicious. ive watched the Olympics live and on TV since the 1950's. this is very strange.

even if they can't find a "drug" they will find traces in her blood and urine if she has cheated.. elevated hormones, oxygen, nitrogen, or waste from synthetic products will be detected.. If the test say she is clean then congrats to Yes.

Did "I" personally compete in the Olympics to be beaten by this athlete? I don't think so. Don't be ridiculous.
So, this swimmer wasn't "better than me".
It sounds like you take any criticism of a Chinese athlete pretty personally? Why is that?
I don't care if the athlete in question was Chinese, Russian, German, American or any nationality. If an athlete posts a mind-blowing time / score at an event, and they've never exhibited this remarkable skill / talent prior, I raise the same question. I posed the same question when Barry Bonds hit 70 plus home runs in a season…. and, look what happened????? He was doping…..hmmmmmmmmm.
Go figure…..

Ron. Exactly. You can tell all the Chinese are defending this girl and using Phelp's and Lochte's success to justify what this girl has done. Fact of the matter is this girl is either superhuman or she cheated. It is that easy. If in fact she is super human and unexplainable performance has to do only with her "impossible" training, then why isn't Chnia crushing everyone else in the metal race? In every other events. China is known for cheating!!!

Wagner Ta shoot… Lets see…. I assume will will try and point out the American's as the worlds' top cheaters right? The Chinese have been caught cheating in the most recent Olympics, in fact they are known quite well for it. Gymnastics, Swimming and who knows what else. As someone else has stated, they also have no regard for copyright and trademark laws. Bottom line is that Communist countries, with their ridiculous drive to show the rest of the world they are so "advanced", should not be allowed to participate in the Olympics. Case in point – North Korea. I am surprised that in between their nuclear attack threats they are able to send an Olympic team to the Olympics! Heck, I cant believe they let their own countrymen out of their crap hole of a country.

What if "she" is a shemale?

There should be no banned substances. If the athletes want to jeopardize their health and body, it should be up to them. Personally , I would like to see the limits of the human animal.

Jeff Rule, you're simply being racist. If this girl had been American, North Korean, Brazilian, or any other nationality I would have defended her the same way. Like I said countless times before, if they haven't proven anything against her, you cannot say she's guilty! How many times do I have to repeat this to get it through your head? I admit, I don't know too much about swimming. So what? I don't care if she beat the world record by 10 seconds. Fact is, they haven't found any evidence. How much hatred can you have toward teenage chinese girls? I'm just as American as you are, but you're simply judging me by my appearance and last name. People like you are the reason that discrimination exists. (No offense.)

Jeff Rule Oh and sorry about my fourth comment, that was an honest mistake cause I was misinformed, so I apologize.

Freda Ou- your all over comments on here that lean towards the thought that the Chinese are doping…and yet you make false statements filled with incorrect history to back up your arguments – so either you are of Chinese heritage and will defend them no matter what, or you just don't like that an American coach spoke out about it

This is equivalent to a woman sprinter beating Bolt in final 100m of the 400m…it just doesnt happen! Its not like the Chinsse havent been busted multiple times before, in the same sport, doing the same thing!!! But they wouldnt do it again right? Im sure they learned their lesson the last two times they were caught!

hi,, I presume that this person will be tested for doping,,,,

We do know from the history of the sport there have been many cheats, and we know that the "first" red flag (warning sign) is a time "too good to be true"…time will tell, maybe sooner rather than later

I don't think this issue would have arisen if this girl was an English swimmer. Can you spell "racism?"

That time would have been even better if she had clean turns

That time would have been even better if she had clean turns

Yep. You got it.. I am Racist! Give me a break. How many times do I have to repeat the FACT that Chinese have been caught cheating so many times in the past. Read the quote from the article. Is the Article Racist? If they ever decide to give her a blood test, I am sure you will be eating your words. China has cheated in the past, and I am sure they will still cheat.

I would most gladly admit that I was wrong if they do find her to be guilty. But throughout this entire debate, the only reason I've stood by her is that they've found nothing against her yet. Not because she's a Chinese teenager like me. The FACT is that China has been caught cheating, but the FACT is also that these accusations will only remain suspicions until they truly find anything.
I find it amazing that there can be people who remain as biased and racist as you, even in America, in this day and age. I'm sure there are more of you, and to me it's a wonder that humans have survived till now without annihilating each other already.

Wagner Ta Wagner actually the evidence including various cached pages from Baidu proved they used underage athletes in 2008. As for this "Scandal" I have to agree that some people do amazing things in the "moment" so I'm not passing judgement.

Wagner Ta Wagner actually the evidence including various cached pages from Baidu proved they used underage athletes in 2008. As for this "Scandal" I have to agree that some people do amazing things in the "moment" so I'm not passing judgement.

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Scott Morris OK, so let me get your logic staright: She's a Chinese athlete that broke a world record. Therefor she was doping. Yes, perfect logic -_-

She didn't beat Lochte! She only swam faster than he did in the final 50 meters. Lochte's time was 4:05 and Ye's was 4:28, so it's not like she beat him in the entire race. Maybe she's just good at finishing a final sprint.

Bill Roe I agree with you. This isn't really a debatable topic, and the only reason I'm supporting her is because there is no evidence to prove that she's guilty. My favorite saying, innocent until proven guilty is shown here because so many people are quick to accuse her, while these can only remain suspicions.

Robert Mason she didn't beat him at the entire race! It was only in the last 50 meters that she was faster. Maybe she's just good at finishing the final sprint! FYI, Lochte swam 4:05 and Ye 4:28 in their IMs, so it's not like she beat him at the whole thing.

How is this even a debatable topic? If they find her guilty, she's guilty! But so far she's been tested negative and I'm willing to believe that she fairly achieved that. Phelps "impossibly" won so many golds at Beijing, but everyone thought he was all that. How dare someone from another country do the impossible! Perhaps we should just have Americans and select western countries competing against one another. People are always testing what's possible.

When a gold medal female Olympian is faster than a gold medal male Olympian, there is definitely room for suspicion. Whether it be doping or some other illegal medical procedure, something really smells here. The Chinese government has a frightening win-at-all-costs mentality that would, in my opinion, embrace the use of any method to get dominance in a sport.

Regina Bramlett Hoover I do agree with you that it's not really possible for a woman to beat a man in brute strength, but you have to remember that she only beat him in the final 50 meter sprint. Lochte's time was 2:05, and Ye's was 4:28. Maybe she's just good at finishing the race strong.

Ron York She did not beat a man! Why does no one understand that it was only the final 50 meters where she was faster? Is it illegal for a woman to be faster than a man now? Do some research before you say stuff, cause Lochte swam a 4:05 and Ye swam a 4:28.

It's not like she came out of nowhere, as doping athletes often do. Her growth as a swimmer has been steadily recorded over the course of a few years. Nothing against Phelps, but when he achieves the impossible in 2008 with all the golds, everyone thinks he's all that but when Ye achieves the impossible, everyone thinks she's doping. Is it illegal for asians to succeed in swimming now?

Thou tooketh the words straight out of mine mouth. I could not have said it better.

When Mr. MASON referred to cycle, I believe he meant cycle of roid injections, NOT menstrual.

Why is it that when one questions an athletes "impossible" performance, someone has to try and make it either a racial thing, a gender thing or a political thing???? Seems like a tired ass fallback of someone with a closed mind that simply cannot deal with the question being raised, and someone who needs to lash out at those who simply pose questions or make observations about an event. Sad…..

Why is it that when one questions an athletes "impossible" performance, someone has to try and make it either a racial thing, a gender thing or a political thing???? Seems like a tired ass fallback of someone with a closed mind that simply cannot deal with the question being raised, and someone who needs to lash out at those who simply pose questions or make observations about an event. Sad…..

if she was an a american they would be no story to tell besisdes how good she is dnt feed into this b, s usa cheats in all there games.

if she was an a american they would be no story to tell besisdes how good she is dnt feed into this b, s usa cheats in all there games.

if she was an a american they would be no story to tell besisdes how good she is dnt feed into this b, s usa cheats in all there games.

if history taught me anything it taught me that usa is the dirtest of them all and.

Delia Li The worse kept secret in American swimming is that Phelps is a"freak of nature". Not only are his arms longer but he is taller than most and the key joints attached to over sized feet and hands stretch to a wider degree than everyone else. I have heard that Ye has large hands for a woman. Her performance though is so unusual almost like she had a rush of adrenaline for the last 100 in the IM. With her speed she could easily win the freestyle events but she isn't entered.

Delia Li The worse kept secret in American swimming is that Phelps is a"freak of nature". Not only are his arms longer but he is taller than most and the key joints attached to over sized feet and hands stretch to a wider degree than everyone else. I have heard that Ye has large hands for a woman. Her performance though is so unusual almost like she had a rush of adrenaline for the last 100 in the IM. With her speed she could easily win the freestyle events but she isn't entered.

Delia Li The worse kept secret in American swimming is that Phelps is a"freak of nature". Not only are his arms longer but he is taller than most and the key joints attached to over sized feet and hands stretch to a wider degree than everyone else. I have heard that Ye has large hands for a woman. Her performance though is so unusual almost like she had a rush of adrenaline for the last 100 in the IM. With her speed she could easily win the freestyle events but she isn't entered.

Smashed a world record, beat her best time by 5 seconds, and beat her closest competition by 1 second. Yeah, I think anyone that knows anything about swimming at an Olympic level, and China's history of cheating in the Olympics would be very suspicious!! Stop calling me racist. Nothing I have said here is racist. Is John Leonard, Exec. Diirector of world swimming coaches assoc. quoted in the article, also a racist for having the same suspicions as I? Delia Li, you are ridiculous. Hopefully we will see who is right and who is wrong. Funny thing is just today Chinese badminton players were disqualified from the Olympics for not playing a game to potential to secure a better draw! Typical… And all you people are sticking up for China. Enough is enough… they should be banned from the Olympics for good.

Heather Hancock you're an idiot. There are reasons they have men's and women's sports. Men are more athletic than women. They are stronger and faster. This is not even disputable. Not a knock on women either, it's just nature. I would also be critical if a woman ran a better 100m time than Usain Bolt. Does that also make me chauvinistic??

Jeff Rule I agree. She's probably one of those chicks that looks like a 5 but thinks she's an 8.

I don't htink you read my last comment. I just said that I'd gladly admit that I was wrong if they do test positive. You just admitted that you were racist in your previous comment, and I'm not one to disagree with you on that. Are you hating on her because you honestly think that it's impossible, or just because she's from China and you hate China? I think it's the latter. I don't care that Chinese badminton players were disqualified, since that has nothing to do with this. How dare a Chinese girl win swimming finals. How dare anyone other than the US show that they're great as well. I cheer for the US in all the competitions, but enough is enough. Debating with someone like you is pointless I realized, because you're just too damn racist to see it from any other angle. You've run out of arguments, friend. That's the reason you keep pulling out the "she's from China, which is why she's cheating" card.

I don't htink you read my last comment. I just said that I'd gladly admit that I was wrong if they do test positive. You just admitted that you were racist in your previous comment, and I'm not one to disagree with you on that. Are you hating on her because you honestly think that it's impossible, or just because she's from China and you hate China? I think it's the latter. I don't care that Chinese badminton players were disqualified, since that has nothing to do with this. How dare a Chinese girl win swimming finals. How dare anyone other than the US show that they're great as well. I cheer for the US in all the competitions, but enough is enough. Debating with someone like you is pointless I realized, because you're just too damn racist to see it from any other angle. You've run out of arguments, friend. That's the reason you keep pulling out the "she's from China, which is why she's cheating" card.

I don't htink you read my last comment. I just said that I'd gladly admit that I was wrong if they do test positive. You just admitted that you were racist in your previous comment, and I'm not one to disagree with you on that. Are you hating on her because you honestly think that it's impossible, or just because she's from China and you hate China? I think it's the latter. I don't care that Chinese badminton players were disqualified, since that has nothing to do with this. How dare a Chinese girl win swimming finals. How dare anyone other than the US show that they're great as well. I cheer for the US in all the competitions, but enough is enough. Debating with someone like you is pointless I realized, because you're just too damn racist to see it from any other angle. You've run out of arguments, friend. That's the reason you keep pulling out the "she's from China, which is why she's cheating" card.

Yo if my high school had a debate club, I would join it. I'm pwning this guy and he's not a kid.

Yo if my high school had a debate club, I would join it. I'm pwning this guy and he's not a kid.

Yo if my high school had a debate club, I would join it. I'm pwning this guy and he's not a kid.

Yo if my high school had a debate club, I would join it. I'm pwning this guy and he's not a kid.

Well, that is true and I am all for Phelps. I don't think he's doping, just like I don't believe Ye is either. Remember, Lochte swam 4:05 and Ye swam 4:28, but it was only in the final stretch that she was faster than him. Maybe she's just great at finishing her races strong.

Hey Robert, who said it was her first cycle swim, she took part in last Olympic and won, she's already a champion before she took part this time.

Gilbert, are you talking about yourself? If you can't handle a discussion in a sensible way, then better go home and have a cold shower before you have a heart attack…..

Gilbert, are you talking about yourself? If you can't handle a discussion in a sensible way, then better go home and have a cold shower before you have a heart attack…..

We do. You should sign up for it (Miss Carlino runs it ;D). And yes, arguing with Jeff Rule is a hopeless case, since he doesn't have any SIGNIFICANT FACTS to support his argument. And if he so much as uses the 'China is filled with a bunch of lousy cheaters' card one more time I'm going through my monitor out a window. Maybe Ye DID cheat, maybe she DIDN'T. The FACT is that we won't know for sure until further testing is done. And is she does test positive then that's really sad, because it reflects poorly on Chinese athletes, but until such time all you people saying 'Chinese Cheat' should really back off.

We do. You should sign up for it (Miss Carlino runs it ;D). And yes, arguing with Jeff Rule is a hopeless case, since he doesn't have any SIGNIFICANT FACTS to support his argument. And if he so much as uses the 'China is filled with a bunch of lousy cheaters' card one more time I'm going through my monitor out a window. Maybe Ye DID cheat, maybe she DIDN'T. The FACT is that we won't know for sure until further testing is done. And is she does test positive then that's really sad, because it reflects poorly on Chinese athletes, but until such time all you people saying 'Chinese Cheat' should really back off.

No, I won't. I'll appreciate and happy to see the world is taking progress. Every turn of the four years have new sport talent come out to beat the old record. How wonderful is this!

Thank you!

Please don't generalize. I know plenty of people from China who are honest and good people.

Well said Thang!

Ryan Delos Reyes , nothing wrong about that. The difference is that : you school has got proof, but the accusation for Ye has not got a single proof BUT MERE ASSUMPTION — just because Ye's performance was TOO GOOD!

Ryan Delos Reyes , nothing wrong about that. The difference is that : you school has got proof, but the accusation for Ye has not got a single proof BUT MERE ASSUMPTION — just because Ye's performance was TOO GOOD!

Exactly. Why can't you let a girl enjoy her victory? She was proven innocent too. If there is still dispute, then fine, they can test her again.

Exactly. Why can't you let a girl enjoy her victory? She was proven innocent too. If there is still dispute, then fine, they can test her again.

Ryan Delos Reyes , yeah yeah, the whole American nation uphold an 'extreme high standard and morale', but….are you implying that the drug test in U.K. are not high enough — so far more than 6,250 sample of urine and blood samples have been taken, 150 scientists have been working round the clock to oversee the test, $30M worth of laboratory in Essex being the test centre, the test is praised and commented as the best ever test in the whole of the Olympic history. However, I guess this may still not good enough for the Americans, too bad!

Ryan Delos Reyes , yeah yeah, the whole American nation uphold an 'extreme high standard and morale', but….are you implying that the drug test in U.K. are not high enough — so far more than 6,250 sample of urine and blood samples have been taken, 150 scientists have been working round the clock to oversee the test, $30M worth of laboratory in Essex being the test centre, the test is praised and commented as the best ever test in the whole of the Olympic history. However, I guess this may still not good enough for the Americans, too bad!

Ryan Delos Reyes, doing 'brilliantly' is not a sin, tons of atheletes doing extremely well every four years. Don't we expect and longing to see this to happen more?! Yes, Ye has been checked with the most advance test and was found clean, so what, and now you and other people come up with another issue saying that 'some drug wouldn't be able to be checked'. Ok, let's be sensible once for all — list out any drugs' name which can't be checked, we can invite the best scientist to make a judgement on WHETHER YOUR CLAIM IS CORRECT AND ESTABLISHED, otherwise, you and those keep on saying this HAVE TO SHUT YOUR MOUTH, fair?

My parents are biochemists at pharmaceutical companies, and they always use mass spectrometers to test what compounds exist in a sample. These are used at the Olympics too, and no matter what drug is being used, even one that hasn't previously been used, it will detect its presence as being unusually high. Unless some human magically creates a drug with no molecular form. No matter what sample, or what compound, this foolproof method always can tell if there is something that shouldn't be there.

My parents are biochemists at pharmaceutical companies, and they always use mass spectrometers to test what compounds exist in a sample. These are used at the Olympics too, and no matter what drug is being used, even one that hasn't previously been used, it will detect its presence as being unusually high. Unless some human magically creates a drug with no molecular form. No matter what sample, or what compound, this foolproof method always can tell if there is something that shouldn't be there.

Ryan Delos Reyes, who said more Chinese atheletes cheated by doping in Olympic. Go to Google search engine and find list of atheletes cheated by doping in Olympic, you will find MORE AMERICANS THAN CHINESE…..You said she did 'what is impossible'. There is NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS IMPOSSIBLE. Every year there are new atheletes rise up to beat old records. Never say this is 'impossible'. Do some research before you make the claim please.

Ryan Delos Reyes, who said more Chinese atheletes cheated by doping in Olympic. Go to Google search engine and find list of atheletes cheated by doping in Olympic, you will find MORE AMERICANS THAN CHINESE…..You said she did 'what is impossible'. There is NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS IMPOSSIBLE. Every year there are new atheletes rise up to beat old records. Never say this is 'impossible'. Do some research before you make the claim please.

Owning me? Really? I could care less if she is Chinese. I am simply stating that she has accomplished the impossible. If you knew anything about swimming you would know that what Ye did in the 400IM is unbelievable. Read some of the other post regarding this article. I am suspicious as are many others. I am a racist for being suspicious? The Executive Director of the world swimming coaches association is suspicious. Does that make him or anyone else racist? Add the country of China into the "extraordinary feats" category and you get suspicious people. Sorry but that is just how it is. China is Known for cheating. That is fact and you cannot argue that. I never once said that "Ye Cheated". Like so many others, I "suspect" her of cheating. There is a difference. Also, using today's Badminton disqualification is not entirely unrelated to the topic of China having a long history of cheating. Sorry. Try again Delia.

Owning me? Really? I could care less if she is Chinese. I am simply stating that she has accomplished the impossible. If you knew anything about swimming you would know that what Ye did in the 400IM is unbelievable. Read some of the other post regarding this article. I am suspicious as are many others. I am a racist for being suspicious? The Executive Director of the world swimming coaches association is suspicious. Does that make him or anyone else racist? Add the country of China into the "extraordinary feats" category and you get suspicious people. Sorry but that is just how it is. China is Known for cheating. That is fact and you cannot argue that. I never once said that "Ye Cheated". Like so many others, I "suspect" her of cheating. There is a difference. Also, using today's Badminton disqualification is not entirely unrelated to the topic of China having a long history of cheating. Sorry. Try again Delia.

Ryan Delos Reyes , I don't Wagner favour his own, I think we all stand up for Ye not just because we are Chinese, but we think some comments are NOT REALLY FAIRLY PRESENTED. We act as a voice to defend for this young girl. If people in the world pointing fingers at Phelp, we may stand up for him as well. I just think any argument has to be presented sensibly, otherwise, we're just wasting our own time. Agree?

Denise DeRosa, Scott is ignorant of the drug test in U.K., you wouldn't have a chance to pre-pack a urine sample as you're not allowed to bring anything into the lab at time of having your urine sample. Blood samples were taken right on spot by medical personnel and were not pre-packed.

Scott Morris , you're more laughable as you commented on something that you're ignorant about! The drug test is for both urine and blood test, blood samples were taken right on spot and was no way of doping not been found. You mentioned about 'some performance enhancement drugs' can't be found by test. Unless you list out all names of those drugs, otherwise, shut your big mouth.

Denise DeRosa , fine, then present your case so we can exchange our view.

Oh now you say you don't care if she's Chinese. Why not mention that nice little fact earlier? It sounded to me like you were quite sure you were correct. "If they ever decide to give her a blood test, I am sure you will be eating your words." "Delia Li, you are ridiculous. Hopefully we will see who is right and who is wrong." You don't sound so suspicious there, in your previous comments. Could you care less if she's Chinese? I'd say you would. "China's history of cheating in the Olympics would be very suspicious." "Chinese badminton players were disqualified from the Olympics for not playing a game to potential to secure a better draw!" Ye's nationality is the main reason you're so persistant in this arguement. You keep referring to Chinese athletes tendency to cheat, and badminton players. Does badminton have anything to do with swimming? The only thing they have in common is nationality. I'm sure that if Ye had been an American swimmer you'd be all for her victory.
Your logic is screwed up. China has a history of cheating. Ye is from China. Therefore Ye is cheating. That's like saying: America has a history of racism. Martin Luther King Jr. is from America. Therefore he is a racist.

I'm just as American as everyone else. But because of my name and appearance, I will forever be treated like a foreigner. If Ye had been from Brazil, US, France, or any other nationality of the world I would have supported her the same. This is nothing to do with gender, age, nationality, whatever else. This is solely to do with the lack of hard evidence, like in the saying "innocent until PROVEN guilty." No proof, therefore she remains innocent.

Denise DeRosa, yes, China has become 'ridiculos' in their cheating by brough in someone who're just 15 and won the gold metal, put all nations in shame! After all, should we not have some second thought as why a 15 year old could have outdo all others and won the gold metal (even the gold metal had been revoked because she was underage)? What a laugh!!

Mi Lie Sumei, gossip can destroy a city. The most ridiculos thiing is — when you try to trace all the source of the rumour and try to find out the 'super drugs', no one can name it/them, not one of them! You said it was you friend's daughter, and when you ask your friend's daughter to name the drug, they said they are told by a friend's friend's friend's sister's friend's……it's NEVER ENDING!!! Can we start to be A BIT SENSIBLE now? NAME THE DRUG(s), or just shut up!

Denise DeRosa, Do you really doubt the ability of the United Kingdom so much as to suspect that they'd actually use urine samples brought over by Ye? Having collected over a thousand samples from athletes, working hours on end, with over 150 expert scientists working around the clock, this is said to be the most secure Olympics yet. This is a bit of an insult fo Great Britain, I have to say. It's harder than you think to cheat at the most elite competition in the world.

So what Jeff Rule, but Ye's test in U.K. was clear. Many American and European athletes had drug abused record as well, should we assume ALL TOP AMERICAN and EUROPEAN ATHLETES all involved in doping?

Anthony Garcia, does it mean if there were no women's basketball team beat the men's or no fastest woman beated the fastest man in the past, that can NEVER HAVE ONE IN THE FUTURE? If you dare to make this assumption, you will soon see many female athletes rise up to outdo the men athletes in the near future! Ye is the 1st one, and many more will come for sure….

Denise DeRosa, assumptions and imagination cannot be taken as 'fact' and presented as a 'sensible argument'. Name the drug(s) and the way of cheat(s), otherwise, shut up!

David M., sensible analysis, well done!

Caitlin, fair comment!

Jeff Lanzaro, you cheated in your high school final exam by taking the 'super drug' to make yourself 'invisible', you peeped on every one else's exam paper, that's why you got good marks. Don't ask for proof, don't ask for the drug's name or where to buy it, cause I don't know the name. It was my friend's friend's sister told me this. Don't even try to defend yourself, you're guilty before you're proven innocent, ok, case close……!!!

Robert Allen, my son who is now in primary 3 is doing year 11 maths, 1st person in her primary or in the whole of our county. It was not his fault to be outstanding. It was because his mom (me) started to train him from very young on a daily basic. Anything could happen i.e. when every country is having single or double digit recession, China is having a national annual growth rate of 8-12%. Keep your eyes and mind open, more of the un-expected things will be happening in the near future…..not just with the Chinese!

Kirk Economos, I don't think the Chinese athletes would feel offended to be tested, but the challenges put forth without solid grounds and critical and offending words said upon China, Ye and all the Chinese athletes are hurting and unfair. Not just the Chinese in China would have been hurted, but me as an overseas Chinese felt offended and hurting as well.

Tamara Wright, check the past record, American athletes cheated many times already, which time you saw and heard they pointed the 1st finger at the American IN THE PUBLIC CHANNEL?

Know what is laughable. All of the people that stick up for China's history of doping seem to have a Chinese heritage. Ironic? Delia, you are not simply supporting Ye because she is a great swimmer, you are supporting (an defending) her because she is Chinese. Talk about being one sided. Then everyone else starts in about how "the Americans" have been caught doping in the past. Hey Thang Lieu, get a handle on things. If you refer to Americans with an "Us and Them" mentality, please jump on the next plane and head back to the country you came from!! The fact that you even have the right to express your opinion is part of Bill of Rights of the USA. I have a feeling if you moved backed to your country of origin you probably wouldn't even have internet access let alone free speech. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Micheal Phelp's and Ryan Locthe's achievements came in measurements of tenths, hundreds, and even thousanths of seconds. You obviously don't understand swimming. Ye Crushed a world record, bested her own best time by 5 seconds, and beat Ryan Lochte (a male Olympic gold medalist) in the last split of the IM. Yep, no one has any right be be suspicious!! Ridiculous. NO ONE SAID "YE definitely cheated". Obviously we would have to have proof to make such a statement. However, we are entitled to our opinions based on history as FACT. We are also entitled to be suspicious, just like so many others are.

Know what is laughable. All of the people that stick up for China's history of doping seem to have a Chinese heritage. Ironic? Delia, you are not simply supporting Ye because she is a great swimmer, you are supporting (an defending) her because she is Chinese. Talk about being one sided. Then everyone else starts in about how "the Americans" have been caught doping in the past. Hey Thang Lieu, get a handle on things. If you refer to Americans with an "Us and Them" mentality, please jump on the next plane and head back to the country you came from!! The fact that you even have the right to express your opinion is part of Bill of Rights of the USA. I have a feeling if you moved backed to your country of origin you probably wouldn't even have internet access let alone free speech. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Micheal Phelp's and Ryan Locthe's achievements came in measurements of tenths, hundreds, and even thousanths of seconds. You obviously don't understand swimming. Ye Crushed a world record, bested her own best time by 5 seconds, and beat Ryan Lochte (a male Olympic gold medalist) in the last split of the IM. Yep, no one has any right be be suspicious!! Ridiculous. NO ONE SAID "YE definitely cheated". Obviously we would have to have proof to make such a statement. However, we are entitled to our opinions based on history as FACT. We are also entitled to be suspicious, just like so many others are.

Know what is laughable. All of the people that stick up for China's history of doping seem to have a Chinese heritage. Ironic? Delia, you are not simply supporting Ye because she is a great swimmer, you are supporting (an defending) her because she is Chinese. Talk about being one sided. Then everyone else starts in about how "the Americans" have been caught doping in the past. Hey Thang Lieu, get a handle on things. If you refer to Americans with an "Us and Them" mentality, please jump on the next plane and head back to the country you came from!! The fact that you even have the right to express your opinion is part of Bill of Rights of the USA. I have a feeling if you moved backed to your country of origin you probably wouldn't even have internet access let alone free speech. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Micheal Phelp's and Ryan Locthe's achievements came in measurements of tenths, hundreds, and even thousanths of seconds. You obviously don't understand swimming. Ye Crushed a world record, bested her own best time by 5 seconds, and beat Ryan Lochte (a male Olympic gold medalist) in the last split of the IM. Yep, no one has any right be be suspicious!! Ridiculous. NO ONE SAID "YE definitely cheated". Obviously we would have to have proof to make such a statement. However, we are entitled to our opinions based on history as FACT. We are also entitled to be suspicious, just like so many others are.

Know what is laughable. All of the people that stick up for China's history of doping seem to have a Chinese heritage. Ironic? Delia, you are not simply supporting Ye because she is a great swimmer, you are supporting (an defending) her because she is Chinese. Talk about being one sided. Then everyone else starts in about how "the Americans" have been caught doping in the past. Hey Thang Lieu, get a handle on things. If you refer to Americans with an "Us and Them" mentality, please jump on the next plane and head back to the country you came from!! The fact that you even have the right to express your opinion is part of Bill of Rights of the USA. I have a feeling if you moved backed to your country of origin you probably wouldn't even have internet access let alone free speech. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Micheal Phelp's and Ryan Locthe's achievements came in measurements of tenths, hundreds, and even thousanths of seconds. You obviously don't understand swimming. Ye Crushed a world record, bested her own best time by 5 seconds, and beat Ryan Lochte (a male Olympic gold medalist) in the last split of the IM. Yep, no one has any right be be suspicious!! Ridiculous. NO ONE SAID "YE definitely cheated". Obviously we would have to have proof to make such a statement. However, we are entitled to our opinions based on history as FACT. We are also entitled to be suspicious, just like so many others are.

Freda Ou, someone who obviously doesn't have a good grasp on written English, has now become "the Expert" when it comes to Olympic doping testing facilities, swimming, and Debating in English… lol.

Christian Felan and Angela isaacman, American athletes did so well this time, I thing they had doped. What disappointed me most was — they came out clean! They must had taken some 'performance enhancement drugs' that could not be checked by the Olympics authority. Look at their record in the past, they had more athletes cheated by doping than any other countries in the world. They must have cheated this time as well, otherwise, how can they be in the second place and have so many metals, shame….

Debra Crosby, I demand an apology from you andall othes rcause now the test result has published.

I KNOW THIS REALLY BOTHERS YOU….but I hate to say, this is all proven FACT!

Just google "China doping" and you will get thousands of hits. Mostly proven cases where Chinese athletes have been accused of doping, been tested, and been disqualified or stripped of their awards. This not only can be said for the Olympics, but for other world competitions as well.

China won 12 of the 16 women's titles at the 1994 world championships in Rome but these achievements were sullied less than a month later when seven Chinese swimmers tested positive for banned drugs at the Asian Games in Hiroshima.

At the 1998 world championships in Perth, four Chinese competitors were sent home after testing positive for steroids. It came a week after one of their team mates and her coach were caught smuggling human growth hormone at Sydney Airport.

China's top backstroke swimmer and record holder Ouyang Kunpeng, now 29, was given a lifetime ban after he tested positive for the same substance a month before the 2008 Beijing Olympics. The ban was later changed to two years.

In 2009, five junior Chinese swimmers were banned for two years by the country's swimming association after they tested positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol – a performance-enhancing drug.

And in June Chinese state media said 16-year-old Li Zhesi, part of the country’s winning team at the 2009 World Championships, had tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug, EPO, which boosts the body’s oxygen supplies.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181553/Ye-Shiwen-Olympic-committee-chief-sticking-Chinese-swimmer.html#ixzz22ElkoyVX.

Keven Lam and Tow cheng, history has taught us and history seems to repeat itself, American athletes have got most athletes cheating in the past, so all their top athletes must have doped. Tow, you're doped, cause you look like that you have.

Yet another article about the Chinese doping in Judo and Weightlifting… Wow, no wonder why everyone is suspicious of Ye's "impossible" swim in the 400 IM.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-weightlifting-champion-banned-doping-101434652.html

Yet another article about the Chinese doping in Judo and Weightlifting… Wow, no wonder why everyone is suspicious of Ye's "impossible" swim in the 400 IM.

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/chinese-weightlifting-champion-banned-doping-101434652.html

yeah..I'm definitely dope!!! =D

Denise DeRosa, so what, that proves Ye cheated as well?

Karrey, I never heard of anything so balance and innovative, and yet persuative, well done!!

Karrey, I never heard of anything so balance and innovative, and yet persuative, well done!!

Jeff Rule I'm fine with you being suspicious but plain and simple, the only reason you're calling me a racist is because you yourself are the biggest racist in these conversations. One cannot have good debates with people like you because you attack your opponents not for their views, but for their heritage. Born in this country, I am an American citizen and I root for our own athletes over the Chinese. But because I don't look like a white person, you automatically label me and people like me "FOREIGNER." And like you said, I have a right to express my opinion as part of out Bill of Rights, and I support this girl not because she just happens to be Chinese like my parents, but because it is simply the right thing to do. Condemning an accused person, especially is she's already been PROVEN innocent, is cruel and while you have the right to, I don't see any more reason for you to do so, other than your hatred for Chinese athletes.
The fact that you abandoned your previous arguments about Chinese athletes having more cheating occasions than the rest of the world when you were proven wrong and began attacking my heritage shows me that you've run out of arguments.

Now I am just having fun…

Between 1990 and 1998, 28 Chinese swimmers tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, almost half the world total of drug offenders in sport.[4] Seven swimmers tested positive for steroids at the Asian Games in Hiroshima in late 1994, these positive tests badly affected the squad to the extent that it won only one swimming gold at the 1996 Summer Olympics in Atlanta.[3] Following the revelations of doping amoung Chinese swimmers at the Hiroshima games IOC Medical Commission chairman Alexandre de Mérode discounted the posibility of officially sanctioned Chinese doping stating that the results were "accidents that could happen anywhere".[5] Chinese leaders initially blamed racist sports officials in Japan for manufacturing test results

Kendra Pannell, It wouldn't surprise me if Americans were murderers and robberers. They have all these drug dealers, thieves, murderers and criminals in Halem and many different states, they recently had a young murderer gun down 12 persons in a cinema that could be as a proof. Americans do not have a good track record that could live with people in harmony. I do hope my assumptions are wrong, but……

Why not just abandon your argument? Take it to some other site if you please. But plain and simple, you have nothing more to say, and this topic remains as undebatable as it was before the tests happened. She either is or she isn't, end of story. And since the tests say she's clean, what more can you say? Have the Chinese suddenly been using magic on their athletes? Or do you doubt our Olympic host country's ability correctly test medical samples?

Sarah Hale, an average swimmer?! I would suggest that you go and do your homework 1st than commenting here without any ground. Ye is not new to international swimming competition, four years ago her speed already same as Lochte and Phelp, but this year she has improved even further and that's why she outdo all of them.

Sarah Hale, an average swimmer?! I would suggest that you go and do your homework 1st than commenting here without any ground. Ye is not new to international swimming competition, four years ago her speed already same as Lochte and Phelp, but this year she has improved even further and that's why she outdo all of them.

Delia. I directed the comments about being un-american to the guy by the name of Thang Lieu, not you, so quit your grandstanding and whining. You are taking this too personally. I am done addressing you. you continue to whine and cry about me being racist and my hatred for Chinese people. I do not hate Chinese people, yet I find it very Ironic that a swimmer from a nation that has a LONG history in cheating, performs in the way that she has. hmmmmmm….. Thankfully the Olympic testing facilities hold on to test results for up to 8 years, so, if she is doping with something that was undetectable now, it may be in years to come.

Joseph Davis, I used to believe the Twin Towers were brough down by the terrarists and your arogance might vanish a bit. However, this obviously not the case when I see your hatress and anger toward China. May your God and your mom has mercy on you….

LOL, and great fun you are having! List everyone from China who's cheated on something, why don't you? List the guys who were selling toxic baby formula as well; that's just an added bonus! But you're missing the point here. I don't care if you list every damn Chinese who's cheated, and throw in a couple of North Koreans here and there, I mean asian dictatorships are more and less the same, right? But we're talking about YE and no one else. I don't care if ALL of her kinsmen cheated in previous competitions because the tests were clean and that is a proven FACT. Do you doubt our host country's ability to detect cheaters? How do you know if loads of other people are cheating as well? This is an insult to the United Kingdom and the Olympics, because this is the most secure Olympics yet. I know you. You just don't want some Chinese to beat an American. I cheer for ALL my athletes regardless of nation because the work they put in is phenomenal.

Delia, As I re-read your last post. You have some serious inferiority issues. You might want to talk about that with someone. you put words in my mouth that I did not say. I have never attacked anyone because they are Chinese.

and who proved me wrong about the doping issues China has had in the past?

Jeff Rule Whining? Crying? You're saying that cause I'm a teenage girl, so gimme a break. "Delia, you are not simply supporting Ye because she is a great swimmer, you are supporting (an defending) her because she is Chinese." I don't think you were addressing Thang Lieu there. Last I checked, my name is Delia Li. If you care so much about this medal, why don't you get your ass over to London and appeal to the authorities there, instead of debating with teenagers who live in the middle of nowhere? I'm done addressing you too, because it's become obvious that you don't understand the concept of hard evidence.

gmvalentine, according to your logic, any one or any nation whom has excellent performance must has 'frightening win-at-all-cost mentality' that would embrace the use of 'any method to get dominance in a sport'. Develope from this line, other than China, America and Korea and all thsoe countries whom has won gold metals must have doped as well. I embrace your assumption, ALL THEIR GOLD METALS SHOULD BE REVOKED, close down the Olympics and save every body's efforts. No more discussion is needed………zzzzzzzzzzzz

Really? Yo Jeff I think you should refer back to your own posts.

Yep. The most secure Olympics yet. So secure that an Unknown women from an unknown place jumped in front of the Indian Athletes and walked with them in the opening ceremonies. ha ha ha..

Steve Ippolito, first of all, you're right, I'm an overseas CHINESE, YELLOW SKIN AND BLACK HAIR. I believe every Chinese who is of Chinese blood will stand out if they have found out this hot discussion here. Secondly, I DO NOT think it makes sense to reason with you cause you have an eagle logo as your profile photo, an obvious American supporter. Thirdly, since all those who spoke against China and all the metal winning Chinese athletes did not use solid evidence but many of them gone for personal attack for Ye and for the whole Chinese nation, I DO NOT think I should use the same tactic to deal with those un-sensible individual. Basically, your people's logic is: 1. once there were doping happened in the past, every body else has doped 2. Ye's performance was too good to believe that she was not doped. Basing on the above, my conclusions are: 1. American athletes had doped in a large scale in the past. 2. American athletes has unbelievable performance this year and in previous years, they must have doped too. Well, end of the story, I have to go dope myself to sleep now…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

here doping, there doping, up doping, down doping, every day doping, la la la do do do…..hail Americans, dope dope, hail Europeans,dope dope, hail Chinese, dope dope….. la la…..

Honestly, i think she could be doping then flushing her system before she is tested.They should test her before all her individual events because this definetly sounds like doping.

Louis Marquez, go home and sleep early, you can't handle China beat Americans on world platform, your anger and bitterness shows……I pity on you……

Ok, I have to admit, that was a good one. lol.

Ok, I have to admit, that was a good one. lol.

pzyk777, there is no rule saying an athlete cannot change sex and take part in the Olympics. Even so, she still be winning, cause she is fast.

Well said Douglas, now Ye is clean, will you like to represent the Americans to apologise to her and the Chinese!

Jeff Rule actually, sorry if I offended you in any way previously. Perhaps I got a little carried away but I assure you, most was used simply to prove a point, and none of it was intentional. (An honest mistake on my part.) It was actually quite fun debating with you; I wanted to see how far you'd go with your position, lol. (Kids these days, we just need someone to argue with.)

Well said cjmani, i would suggest that you wrote to the Olympic authority to put forth your query and challenge them to establish more serious drug test in future SO THAT NO ONE CAN CHEAT AND DOPE IN FUTURE. I support you fully. If any more CHINESE win the gold metal in future, other than checking their blood and urine, check their dormintory and their belongings, check their hair, check their medical record for at least ten years, check their sex, the best is to cut them open and see if they are 'robot' or if they have been 'structurally altered', put them in detention and observe for at least 1 year, and have them to do the same sport again and see if they can achieve the same record again. If not, revoke their gold metal, jail and torture them for life, better in Guantanamo Bay. Every American should be happy now, good night!

Well said cjmani, i would suggest that you wrote to the Olympic authority to put forth your query and challenge them to establish more serious drug test in future SO THAT NO ONE CAN CHEAT AND DOPE IN FUTURE. I support you fully. If any more CHINESE win the gold metal in future, other than checking their blood and urine, check their dormintory and their belongings, check their hair, check their medical record for at least ten years, check their sex, the best is to cut them open and see if they are 'robot' or if they have been 'structurally altered', put them in detention and observe for at least 1 year, and have them to do the same sport again and see if they can achieve the same record again. If not, revoke their gold metal, jail and torture them for life, better in Guantanamo Bay. Every American should be happy now, good night!

Denise, I support you fully, DEFINITELY DOPING INVOLVED!!! DEFINITELY NOT OF HER OWN ABILITY, no need to check, revoke her gold metal and jail her in Guantanamo Bay, detain and torture her until she agrees she will NEVER swim again…..GOLD METALS BELONG ONLY TO AMERICANS!! Only the Americans are true swimmers…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wagner, calm yourself down and have a look at all the discussion. There is only one conclusion I have finally found — no matter what you say, the Americans are just like babies, close their eyes and wildly saying "Absolute doping involved", they just can't handle sensible discussion. If you challenge them to present solid proof, they will enclose themselves completely and offend you to the most.

well said clykay099

Brian Jensen, you smell like a jelous cat wanting to catch a rat!

Norman, do some research before you comment. Ye is not new to the international swimming platform. She could swim as fast as Phelp and Lochte four years ago. Her speed has improved much this year. She is not a new girl out of nowhere!

Ngamoko, present evidence with details of drugs or methods of cheat, otherwise, shut up and go to sleep!

Melissa, they did have checked more than one time, but every time they take part in a race and competition. No use to flush up because they also check you blood.

Richard Boylan, can't agree you more!

Garett, evidence or otherwise, shut up!

Denise, why most Americans can't handle sensible discussion. First of all, Ye was clear of her drug test and was proven 'clean', your accusation saying 'the girl wreaks of cheating' was like a baby girl closing her eyes and ignoring what all facts are around her, therefore, it makes no sense to discuss with you, unless you re-organise yourself , calm down and argue with logic, otherwise, good night and have a good sleep!

Bill Roe, you sound like a Christian, so graceful and objective. I admire you!

Freda Ou your a rat i call it as i see them cheaters never win and winners never cheat just ask barry bonds LOL

Freda Ou your a rat i call it as i see them cheaters never win and winners never cheat just ask barry bonds LOL

My teachers always tell my classmates and me to be nice and courteous of others, so Jeff, not to force you or anything, but be nice to Freda. You just insulted her intelligence.

My teachers always tell my classmates and me to be nice and courteous of others, so Jeff, not to force you or anything, but be nice to Freda. You just insulted her intelligence.

Sarah Melton , the problem is — now the test result has been published, but people here commenting are still blindly accusing her of 'doping'. All those share their suspect before the test result, none of them is brave enough to apologise!

booooom.bye bye

We see what the world has come to. We remain divided by language, color and nationality. Loads of these people think that she somehow is using an undetectable drug. They just don't want to believe that she won fair and square!

Frank and Mr. Mason, so you insisted the blood test couldn't be possible to find out the roid injections? Any proof?

If you read back articles throughout the Olympics there were a few times China has accused American's of doping…..Even in several articles the Chinese said that the Americans have done it so why shouldn't we….so why would that be the spokesman for China's answer to the doping question…in the end it will be resolved and nine times out of ten China will be giving back several medals….

Jeff Rule, I pity on you. When you can't handle a debate and presented solid evidence to win, what you can do is to attack someone's written English. I'm so proud of my written English, at least my written English is better than your spoken or written Chinese. Doubt it if you know how to speak or write Chinese! Your attack won't affect me……

Delia Li, that's the way, don't waste your time with the un-sensible ones, it's not worth it.

Even in the article it says that China has done doping in the past…if she did it then she should be stripped of her medal if she didn't dope then she deserves to keep it and go into the history books…….

Denise DeRosa, you're truely doped and murmering like an 80 year old hated woman who split her bitterness out of jerlousy. I pity on you……

Denise DeRosa, you're truely doped and murmering like an 80 year old hated woman who split her bitterness out of jerlousy. I pity on you……

Denise DeRosa, present your evidence with the drugs' names and so the Olympics authority can investigate further whether your claim is true, otherwise, it shows that Scott and your accusations are out of jelousy and suspicious intention of wanting to destroy this 16 year old teen by spreading unceasing rumours and try to overturn her achievement. You haven't been good representatives of your own country. While you're standing her to point your finger on this poor little girl, think about if this is your daughter, how will you feel? Shame on you all those who have done this dis-graceful and unkind thing to Ye!!

Denise DeRosa, present your evidence with the drugs' names and so the Olympics authority can investigate further whether your claim is true, otherwise, it shows that Scott and your accusations are out of jelousy and suspicious intention of wanting to destroy this 16 year old teen by spreading unceasing rumours and try to overturn her achievement. You haven't been good representatives of your own country. While you're standing her to point your finger on this poor little girl, think about if this is your daughter, how will you feel? Shame on you all those who have done this dis-graceful and unkind thing to Ye!!

They said that in response to the 1st American's accusation publicly.

They said that in response to the 1st American's accusation publicly.

Hey Freda….you broke the code. I thought we were all in that together.

Korde Smith, can't agree you more. I said it because I'm waiting for some Americans to stand up and say something like you just did.

Gilbert, I truely believe you got Hilter's gene that doesn't need an experiment to prove it…..

Lol, I'm illiterate in Chinese. All I can do is speak it. Jeff, how about you forget about China's politics and try to understand a bit about their history? Telling you now, it won't be a waste of your time.

Brian Jensen, I may be a rat but I NEVER afraid of smelly cats cause they suck! China might have cheaters from time to time, (which nation do not have cheaters?), but their committment to sports and their sincerity is never doubtful. Being an overseas Chinese, I'll never stop to uphold and promote this spirit until I see China being reconized as a nation of courage, of diligence, of integrity, of grace and mercy……

Freda Ou i do reconizem that USA will win the most medal because we are the sperior nation go USA USA USA

cmon freda china has passed drug test at the olympics before, then a month down the line at the next sporting event they all test positive for PED just look at the 94 olympics 12 gold medals stripped from china its not a first time buddy.

She's doped. I am a Chinese and not only I know she's doped and I know what kind of Chinese medicine she took. Those Chinese will win all the medals eventually. If you or your country want to win Chinese, please leave your phone number here and I will tell you where to buy the medicine. Only serious inquiry will be responded. Thank you for your business!

By the way, in case you don't know, the biggest Chinese cheater is Jeremy Lin. He's doped too. Otherwise, how can an undrafted kid outplays Anthony, Amire and company?

Typical response…no facts…just anti-American rhetoric from someone overseas- SURPRISE!!! For giggles lets say that in another article you pointed to Phelps saying he must have doped too because he came out of no where to win 6 golds (plus 2 Bronze) in the 2004 Athens Olympics……I guess you missed it when he won 1 gold in 2001-Fukuoka, 3 Golds & 2 Silvers in 2002-Yokohama, 4 golds & 2 Silvers in 2003-Barcelona…all BEFORE winning anything in the 2004 Olympics…THEN he followed his 2004 Olympic display up with 32 more golds, 5 more Silvers & 1 Bronze in International events…AND as you know, added 9 MORE Golds & 2 Silvers in 2008 & 2012 Olympics…and what has Ye won prior to this miraculous victory? What has her times been? No where near what she posted this time…so yes, without a history or any followup from her their will be questions!!! Sorry but that's how it goes for any nation, even China!!! I know thats hard to accept but as we stupid Americans say "it is what it is"!!

@Freda…… you just made my previous point again.

Let me re-iterate what I am ultimately trying to say here folks…. and I hope it will punch through the thick craniums that are out there.

I don't care what nationality, gender, race or any other distinguishing characteristic you want to throw out there. If ANY athlete posts a seemingly "impossible" time / score / result in a competition that wrecks their own personal best and / or world record…… I question the "how" of it. I've done the same thing in regards to American athletes on several occasions. I don't give a rat's behind about ANY countries growth rate, or how they supposedly do things that are "better" than everyone else. It's all here-nor-there….. It's meaningless dribble. So…. That being said, can we please try to keep politics out of it? Can we please try to keep nationality out of it???

You may not have heard of her, but in 2010, she swam the fastest in the world in the 200 IM and had the 2nd fastest time in the world for the 400 IM. And that was when she was 14. In 2011, she won the world championship beating out Stephanie Rice. She finally broke Stephanie Rice's world record in the olympics at age 16.

So it's not like she came out of no where and "hadn't won". You are so focus on just what is going on in your own backyard you don't even know what else is going on around the world. Just Wiki it, she has won plenty of international and national events since 2010 when she was 14 yrs old.

In contrast, Michael Phelps "came out of nowhere" and broke his first world record at age of 15, yet no one questioned THAT.

Yeah, believe it or not, there are plenty of people born outside america that can work hard and perform some pretty impressive feats. So before you go around and "gee let me see", please go and read up on it.

debra, I did promised you didn't I? what are you? quit if you lose?

I am an american too, but it's sad to say these hater americans can't come up with a better excuse to not apologize! starting mr. leonard

Alright Freda I will repeat what has already been posted here regarding Chinese swimmers caught using banned performance enhancing substances since the 1990's. China won 12 of the 16 women's titles at the 1994 World Championship in Rome. A month later seven swimmers tested positive for banned drugs at the Asian Games in Hiroshima. At the 1998 World Championship in Perth, Australia, four Chinese competitors were sent home after testing positive for steroids. China's top backstroker and record holder Quyang Kunpeng was given a lifeban after he tested positive for an illegal substance a month before the 2008 Beijing Olympics. In 2009, five junior Chinese swimmers were banned for two years by China's swimming association after they tested positive for the anabolic agent clenbuterol – a performance enhancing drug. And in June 2012 China's state media said 16 year old Li Zhesi, a member of China's winning team at the 2009 World Championships, had tested positive for the performance enhancing drug, EPO, which boosts the body's oxygen supplies. As I have stated before Chinese athletes have a history of taking illegal performance enhancing substances and have gotten much smarter about taking them. I wouldn't be surprised that sometime in the future Yi Shiwen, if she is guilty, will be found out.

they always called themself not a racist, but did you notice these folks have something in common, they always tell the people of the other races to go back where they are coming from, even these other race might have been born here. should the native american tell these folks to go back where they were coming from???

now the test results are in…anybody still questioning her legit performance? if not, I demand a simple "sorry" from your folks

If I could, I would like your post a thousand times, Wagner! That's what I was thinking. We're in the USA, the "melting pot" of different races and cultures. If they can't deal with the presence of different colored people who think and act differently than they do, then they should GET THE HELL OUT of this country. Hightail if back to the country that their white ancestors came from. Unless your ancestors immigrated here at the way beginning of this country, chances are that they've faced discrimination too by the "real" americans.

They say that as long as you don't look like the majority (black or white) then you'll forever be treated as a foreign minority. I'm just a really average American teenager who happens to have Chinese parents, and I often get comments with references to my race and heritage. I was born in the US guys, just like most other Americans. We should just set aside our differences already.

Sarah Hale, if blindly accusing Ye has doped will make you guys feeling better for losing the game in swimming and having less gold metals than China, go ahead then, make the excuse every time when the Americans lose were because of the Chinese doped. Hmmmm…..doing so may able to get you guys healed from losing face, but what happen with the 'inferior complex', the 'anger', 'the bitterness', still a long way to go to deal with them thro……

Wagner Ta, the Americans will not apologise, their pride and thier 'inferior complex' stops them to do so…..

Wagner Ta, the Americans will not apologise, their pride and thier 'inferior complex' stops them to do so…..

When Phelps does the "impossible" by winning 17 medals in 2008, everyone thinks he's all that, no suspicions there. When Ye does the "impossible" by beating an American male in the final split of the 400 IM, everyone thinks she's doping. Where is the logic to that?? Is it illegal now for Chinese to get medals, or are women simply not allowed to beat men at anything?

Delia Li, yes you born in U.S. and is having U.S. passport, but it does not change the fact that you have yellow skin and black hair. Your Chinese blood is inside of your body, at least all native Americans will think it this way…..

Nate Slocum, if put it this way will make you guys feeling better so you won't crash your car, do it then! It's better than bump your head on the walls and hurt yourself and die. Poor Americans, you just can't handle people take the gold metals other than you!

Autumn Empson, yes, do it more then, it doing this will heal and help you dealing with this…….ha ha…..la la……

Yes Gilbert, you're very angry….that's something I can't help you. …..The world is rolling, new people coming out every second. If you can't handle it, stay away from the TV, the computer, or…..stay in a cave….ha ha…..la la….

Heather Hancock, well said — hail all the YOUNG ATHLETES around the world dare to take part in the Game and let the whole world know that's no such thing called 'DEFINITE' and ' WORLD RECORDs' that can't be broken……….da da……de de de…….

Heather Hancock, well said — hail all the YOUNG ATHLETES around the world dare to take part in the Game and let the whole world know that's no such thing called 'DEFINITE' and ' WORLD RECORDs' that can't be broken……….da da……de de de…….

Heather Hancock , well said, what great courage you have!

Heather Hancock , well said, what great courage you have!

Jeff Rule , Ye just did it, she swam faster than all male swimmers in the Olympics Game!

Nan, do some homework 1st b4 you commented. Ye is not an in-experience swimmer. She took part in the Game last time and won a gold metal, but was revoked because she was under age. In the last Game, her time was same as Phelp, but this time she was even faster. That got nothing to do with whether China is strong in whatever area. Deal with it, she simply is the fastest!

Nan, do some homework 1st b4 you commented. Ye is not an in-experience swimmer. She took part in the Game last time and won a gold metal, but was revoked because she was under age. In the last Game, her time was same as Phelp, but this time she was even faster. That got nothing to do with whether China is strong in whatever area. Deal with it, she simply is the fastest!

Well said Thang, good research as well!

Try again Nate Slocum. I don't think this comment was hateful or racist enough.

Robert Mason, the Bible didn't say that 'woman' cannot build up their musle like 'man', it didn't say that woman cannot compete with man in a worldwide platform in sports. Do your Bible study 1st!

Good job Garett. Since they've already tested her and she's clean, why can't society just let a girl enjoy her victory? As our population grows, we can only have more and more mermaids and fish people among us!

Hail Americans! All proud and non-cheating Americans! How dare some Chinese beat us at swimming! I thought only Americans could win at this…? As much as Americans hate to lose, I think we have to face a cold, hard truth: we just aren't the best at everything anymore.
When Phelps does the impossible with his 8 golds in 2008, everyone thinks he's all that. When Ye does the impossible by beating a man in a final split, everyone think she's doping. Society is messed up.

She was tested clean, but people are still accusing her. Some folks are just too stubborn to admit they're wrong.

Robert Allen remember, she only beat him in the final 50 meters. Lochte's IM time was 4:05 and Ye's was 4:28, so it's not like she beat him at the entire race. And I do agree that they should to every possible test but since the results are in and she's clean. End of story, the girl's a mermaid.

Steve, your facts aren't correct. Bolt is a sprinter, not an endurance runner. The 400M isn't one of his events, so you can't use that as an argument. This is like a woman sprinter beating Bolt in the final 25 M of the 100 meter dash and that's entirely possible. Ye only beat Lochte by a fraction of a second. And the results are in and she's clean, end of story! Why can't society just accept the achievements of a 16 year-old girl?

John McHugh and @Jeff Rule–This is great; Jokes on you two fatties! Friended Ms. Heather and she is not just highly educated but smokin’ hot! She’s worked as a lingerie model!
Joke's on the two of you for being such low lifes! Leave it to a couple of idiots to insult a woman’s figure and mind rather than pose and make their own argument. You’re why men have such a rotten reputation. Why not grow up–have you tried that yet…?

Jeff Rule –This is great; Jokes on you two fatties! Friended Ms. Heather and she is not just highly educated but smokin’ hot! She’s worked as a lingerie model!

Joke's on the two of you for being such low lifes! Leave it to a couple of idiots to insult a woman’s figure and mind rather than pose and make their own argument. You’re why men have such a rotten reputation. Why not grow up–have you tried that yet…?

Freda Ou your comment doesn't make sense…lalala yolo dopity dopey.

Jeff Rule and John McHUgE–Just checked out your profiles; ha ha, you’re both a couple of fatties with pencil dicks—Of course you don’t know what a hot woman looks like! Sheesh—why don’t you hit the gym and get off the computer already!

Poor things.

Exactly. this article poses a stupid question. If she cheated, then by all means strip her of her medal. If she's clean, then let her accomplishment go down in history. Maybe she's just a mermaid, I don't know. But asking the general public is dumb because what do we know about the science of certain illegal hormones that increase secretions of EPO?

Robert Mason, get your facts straight. First off, go back and read the article. She didn't outswim Lochte, she only beat him by a fraction of a second in the final 50 meters of the IM. And where did you get 5 seconds out of? she beat her personal best by that much, she didn't beat Lochte.
And what do you know about girls' menstrual cycles? They usually start at age 11, dum-bass.

@JEFF RULE AND JOHN MCHUGH (McHuGE)–Just checked out your profiles; ha ha, you’re both a couple of fatties with pencil dicks—Of course you don’t know what a hot woman looks like! Sheesh—why don’t you hit the gym and get off the computer already!

Poor things.

@JEFF RULE AND JOHN MCHUGH (McHuGE)–Just checked out your profiles; ha ha, you’re both a couple of fatties with pencil dicks—Of course you don’t know what a hot woman looks like! Sheesh—why don’t you hit the gym and get off the computer already!

Poor things.

Jeff Rule, let me give you and all Americans some history about how 'Americans' abuse the use of PED (Performance-Enhancing-Drug): 1. Danny Almonte, cheated about his age in Baseball squad into the 2001 Little league world series 2. Chicago White Sox threw the Game to the Cincinnati Red in 1919. One of the biggest sport scandal in the US history 3. Tonya Harding attacked . Kerrigan in an American national skating competition. Her gold was revoked. 4. Ben Johnson was test positive for the use of anabolic steroid Stanozolol after he had won the 100M sprint title in a record time at Seoul Olympic 5. Rosie Ruiz, cheated by only joined the final half mile at the Boston Marathon. She did it in the third fastest time ever recorded for a female runner 6. Stella Walsh, American sprinter hid her real sex and took part in 1932 and 1936 Olympics Game, won gold medals in 100M. She was in fact a 'he' 7. Marion Jones, 5 gold medals were stripped for the abuse of PED in 2007. Well, about the use of PED in America: 1. Arnold Schwarzeneggar gained his title as Mr. Olympia in 1965 with the aid of PED, since, PED has been popular in the USA 2. the 1st PED was created by an American called Dr. Zeigler, it was called Dianabol. 3. The most popular PED in the USA are Enzyte, Botax and Dianabol 4. George Bush signed a bill to extend the use of PED in the USA in 2004 5. The use of PED is found popular even in collegiate training 6. the use of PED has become prominent since 2002 in the USA, but Americans did start to use PED even earlier than this. It was popularly used by movie stars, singers, sportsmen and sportswomen. Typical examples of abuse of PED in America: 1. Professional wrestler Chris Benoir killed his child & wife and dilled himself 2. Legends Eddie Guerrero, Rick Rude & Curt Henning died from heart failures due to prolonged use of PED Now I finanally grap an understanding why most of the 'Americans' mentioned about 'Doping' and 'PED', because PED has been so popular in the US, it is like an 'every day thing' for their sportsmen and sportswomen. It comes to the fact now — who is abusing PED more, the CHINESE or AMERICANS??!!

Jeff Rule, according to the sport history, in fact the Americans do not just abuse PED, they cheated by hiding their true 'sex', they attacked their competitors, they cheated by lied about their age. Your American president actually extended the use of PED, your NY statesman being a model to abuse PED. PED is widely use in America like Canibis. How dare you Americans pointing your fingers at Ye and the Chinese athletes as 'YOU ARE NOT ANY BETTER THAN THEM AND IN FACT WORSE I WOULD SAY' !!!!

Scott Morris, 'so laughable'?! It is more laughable that the Americans (of course including you) nationally abusing PED and accusing the Chinese of abusing it, acting like that the Americans are completely 'clean', what a big joke — world class!

Justice Canwait Foranarchy, I admit that the age cheat was true, so what, any evidence on the doping cheat? Present it now!

Garrett Moe, you're not dealing with an argument rightly! You shouldn't ask or intend to prove she has 'not cheated', just like in the court room, if you want to sue someone 'guilty of abusing PED', present your side of evidence(s), otherwise, black off, simply as this….

Regina, what makes you sounded like 'God' in making this verdict — 'not today and not ever', I think you may have doped and lost your sense…..

Scott, heartfully, go and do a bit of research for God sake, do yourself a favour, Americans invented the first PED called Dianabol, endorsed by famous film star and politician Arnold Schwarzaneggar, supported by your President George Bush to be used in the whole of the USA. The use of PED is widely spread to collegiate leve unto many domestic homes in Americl. Don't tell me that you don't know all this, your country is the 'real PED expert and abuser', and you dare to open your BIG mouth to yell jand accuse Chinese athletes and Ye guilty of abusing PED, ha ha ha, never heard of a bigger joke than this…..Americans, you're not worth of my time to reason with you…….

Jeff Lanzaro, are you kidding? Have you not seen Americans abusing PED on a national level? Yeah, the most freaky thing happening is : they're the abuser and the inventer of PED, let them enjoy it all…..

Jeff Lanzaro, are you kidding? Have you not seen Americans abusing PED on a national level? Yeah, the most freaky thing happening is : they're the abuser and the inventer of PED, let them enjoy it all…..

good comment Jipzee!

Very true Garett

Delia, when criticism is driven by jelousy and anger, people will say something out of the place to hurt others…

Debra Cosby, I'm just so tired to tell you and every American to do some research for your/their own sake please. Americans cheated in a wider way let's put it this way, abusing PED, hiding own sex and age, attacking competitors in a violent way etc……America invented most of the PED, endorsed by famous film star and politician Arnold Schwarzeneggar and president George Bush. The use of PED is unto residential home and collegiate sports training. The abuse of PED is on a serious level in the USA. Who is not trust worthy, the Americans or the Chinese?! I used to trust the American more than the Indians, but now I can't trust the Americans after the research!

Good ground Delia!

Well said Jack, but……they themselves are 'expert in use of PED', they invented PED, so, too bad, you may have a market selling to the Europeans or the Russians…….

Daniel Lunsford, according to your 'logic', working for the 'excellance' is all about 'nationalism', then every other countries in the world are 'all about nationalism', not just China, including America of course……

Denise, but you're trying to 'slaughter' the CHINESE right here…….

Brian Jensen, I wouldn't say this for my own nation China even they have a good chance of winning most gold medals, for it won't be fun if one nation dominant. I want to see every nation on earch rise up to their destiny and strike for the excellence! 'Super America' won't go a long way……

Denise, sparing their strength for the final is 'the use of tactic', nothing to do with 'conduct' of 'cheating' in my point of view. I am sure most of the athletes have been using this tactic as well….

Denise, sparing their strength for the final is 'the use of tactic', nothing to do with 'conduct' of 'cheating' in my point of view. I am sure most of the athletes have been using this tactic as well….

a racist, a sexistis, what else can one person hold with all his "talents"…and the award goes to jeff rule, hurrayyy!

Ngamoko Nikora, if your dad was a thief, your mum was a shop lifter, your grandfather was a murderer and your grandmother was a robberer, it doesn't make you a dangerous criminal. You may be a person of courage, interguity, and virtue. I don't want to and I refuse to 'label' you, even every body else is doing itj. Long time ago I have decided to keep believing, to keep hoping and never stopping dreaming to see the new generation rise up in my own country CHINA to take the torch and will do it a brand new way!

Thanks and too true Wagner Ta!

Just checked out their profiles; ha ha, they’re both a couple of fatties with pencil dicks—Of course they don’t know what a hot woman looks like! Sheesh—why don’t you guys hit the gym and get off the computer already!

Poor things.

Laurie, 'you wouldn't be surprised – look at history!', well, Laurie, I suggest you go to do some research about the Americans' cheating history — they abuse PED, they attacked their competitors, they lied about their sex and age, they invented most the PED, your famous film star and politicians Arnold Schwarzaneggar endorsed the use of PED, your ex-president George Bush extended the use of PED to a national level, it's now has become so popular unto domestic homes and collegiate training. Yes, look at this history and facts — which country is more likely to abuse PED — America or China ?!!!

Jack Chan, even if Jeremy Lin cheated, or even the whole world cheated, so what, does it mean Ye cheated?! Any evidence?

isn't that sad, when all the evidents and facts are presented, and these people in denial are still deny this brilliant young swimmer's achievement…simply because she is not a westerner. and this is 2012???

Yes, Brian Spratley, every thing was fabricated by most of the Americans, including gossips and lies….

folks, what's not famillia to the west, didn't happen. "we westerners only want to live in our own world", everything else don't count, nope, it didn't happen…talk about IGNORANT

since I'm an american too, I would like to be treated as an american, but the fact is…we, as asian american will always be treated as second class citizen, therefore, I'm going to remain asian american, and be proud of it!

as a public figure as mr. leonard, he really should choose his words carefully, but he choose to attacked a brilliant young swimmer, based on his own emotion and "experiences", without solid facts or evident…what shall we call it?

Thang Lieu , it's hard to say that Phelp didn't dope after I've done the research. America is a dope nation, which carries a culture of doping. See for yourself — the 1st PED was invented by the American; most of the PED were invented and developed by the Americans, the PED was endorsed by famous film star and politician Arnold Schwarzeneggar and become popular in the whole of America; then ex-US president George Bush signed a bill to extended its use nationally, it has become so wide spread unto domestic homes and collegiate sports training. The Americans has created for themselves the culture of abusing PED. I can tell you immediately a dozen of celebrities died of abusing PED. Now the question is: Should we overturn all American Gold Medalists from 2001 until now basing on the above?!

Jeff Rule, I don't have to prove you wrong, the America PED abusing history will prove you wrong –I have just told you that the Americans are nationally abusing PED and the use of PED has become astonishingly popular in all levels including the sports industry, the entertainment industry, the education system, even the individual home in American. PED was publicly endorsed by famous film star and politician Arnold Schwarzeneggar, the ex-US president George Bush signed a bill to extend it use to national level. I wouldn't feel surprise if an American family sit down on their dining table and abuse the PED together! I have listed out all the sportsmen and sportswomen who had abused PED on either national or international level, cheated about their sex, physically abused their competitors, their problems are more than just doping. Don't tell me you don't know about all these. At least Chinese families do not have a culture nationally abusing PED……..well, now, which nation has more doping problems — China or America?!!which country has more possibility to dope in Olympics?

Jeff Rule, I don't have to prove you wrong, the America PED abusing history will prove you wrong –I have just told you that the Americans are nationally abusing PED and the use of PED has become astonishingly popular in all levels including the sports industry, the entertainment industry, the education system, even the individual home in American. PED was publicly endorsed by famous film star and politician Arnold Schwarzeneggar, the ex-US president George Bush signed a bill to extend it use to national level. I wouldn't feel surprise if an American family sit down on their dining table and abuse the PED together! I have listed out all the sportsmen and sportswomen who had abused PED on either national or international level, cheated about their sex, physically abused their competitors, their problems are more than just doping. Don't tell me you don't know about all these. At least Chinese families do not have a culture nationally abusing PED……..well, now, which nation has more doping problems — China or America?!!which country has more possibility to dope in Olympics?

Hi Jeff, I'm doped and getting too high……ha ha…..

Scott, what a coward you are, face up to ALL MY MESSAGE FOR YOU and stop hiding like a turtle…..

Robert Allen, well, let's start again sensibly. I summarise all the points said by every body here: 1. No way that Ye could have achieved this record for she has outdo experience male swimmers i.e. Locht 2. China invented best PED so could not be found by the Olympics authority even if they doped 3. Some of the Chinese cheated, so there is a high possibility that this time they cheated by doping. 4. Chinese doctors admitted PED was in use in the early 2000.I will start by answering point 2. first, will any one in this site tell me all the names of the best PED being used by the CHINESE athletes which can not be checked by the most hi-tech urine and blood check implementing by the Olympics authority. Regarding point 4, can any one give me the name(s) of the doctor(s) and his/their statement of proof saying UNDECTABLE PED had been widely used by the CHINESE ATHLETES in training and in Olympics Games. Regarding point 1&2, my statement is: no matter how many Chinese athletes had cheated or doped in the past, Ye's drug test has come out clear. This drug test standard was set up by the International Olympics Council, if anyone is not satisfy it is the best method to detect PED, they should submit their complaint and suggestion to the Olympics authority, but not to query the published rules of the game. If no one is playing according to the published rules, then what's the point of participating? If we all agree we should be bound by the rules, then we should all shut up when the Olympics authority declared that YE was clean and we should all leave her alone. Well Robert, I'm done and I hope we can all act civilised and respectfully from now on but leaving the silly and uncivilised ones tokeep on murmering, we can't control them any way…..

Ok Freda, I'm appreciating all the support, but notice that they aren't replying to your posts anymore. You keep referring to Americans accusing Chinese like they're two big groups but I personally think you should tone it down a bit. Don't insult the other people by telling them to shut up. Don't generalize by grouping all your opponents together as "Americans" and all your supporters together as "Chinese." You say that Americans are just jealous of the Chinese, but that's really biased. And just keep politics out of the argument; the fact that china's economic growth is whatever percentage is irrelevant, and serves only to get people annoyed.
Now I must ask you, are you supporting Ye just because she's Chinese? I'm not. I'm just supporting her because she hasn't been proven guilty yet.
Now just as a little debater's tip, you should use evidence in your arguments. Attack the topic, not your opponents cause that just creates ill will and annoyance.

I know, and I'm not accusing him of anything. I just think that its interesting that when Phelps does it no one suspects anything but when Ye does it everyone suspects something. And yes, it is unusual but some people are just great at finishing the final stretch of a race strong. You don't know if she was saving up her energy for that last sprint, and gave it her all.

I guess what you're saying Freda is that the ends justifies the means which flies in the face of what the modern Olympic spirit is about; that of brotherhood and integrity as laid down by Baron Pierre de Coubeton the father of the modern Olympics. Performance enhancing drugs or any hint of the use of these substances has no place in the Olympics so if there is any suspicion of their use then it should be investigated. Samples are taken prior to and immediately from athletes after the games and are held by the IOC for several years. The reason for this is that the technology employed to catch sports drug users is usually a few years behind. Like I said if Ye Shiwen is clean then time will confirm the integrity of her win in the 400m IM at this Olympics, if not, then she will go down as a cheat like her friend Li Zhesi.

And many people say mean stuff online that they never would have said in real life. It's a wonder that the human race survives to this day, one would have thought we'd all be dead by now, what with all the hatred.

F-off Freda. I am not sitting here badmouthing the country that I live in, the country that allows me to have free speech. If you think America and American's are so bad, then go back to the country that you came from. I mean that. If you want to sit here and badmouth America and Americans with every breath you can muster, then get the hell out of here. Sorry but that is all. Everyone knows China is a Communist crap hole that has no regard for competition, doping regulations, trademarks, Copyright, Child labor or anything else for that matter. If you are born a female in china you are essentially given away, aborted, or looked at as an outcast. Enough said. Wagner.. The more you Freda separate yourselves from the rest of Americans, the more you will be looked at as different. Sorry, but you are bringing that on yourselves. Get over it.

Freda. The evidence on China's past doping is all over the internet. It is fact. China has been stripped of its medals, athletes have been suspended from competition, and teams have been disqualified. All fact. the doping accusations that I quoted here and in other posts are fact. This is really getting old. Now we are going to debate. It is very obvious to me that Freda really has no idea what is going on.. The people that you are addressing haven't even commented on this article since Tuesday. Pay attention!

Since we are tallking about a swimmer and a Olympic Swimming event… Lets look at the "swimming facts" More than 40 Chinese women swimmers have been caught doping since 1990, triple the number of any other nation that competes in international swimming. (www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/drugs/stories/top10.html) And that's just the ones who have been caught. The Olympic drug testing has failed to catch hundreds of athletes who were latter caught in other competitions or out of competition testing.
The Chinese doctor who ran their state-sponsored doping program in the '90s has admitted it in interviews. Why would you think they have stopped now? Seriously!!

Since we are tallking about a swimmer and a Olympic Swimming event… Lets look at the "swimming facts" More than 40 Chinese women swimmers have been caught doping since 1990, triple the number of any other nation that competes in international swimming. (www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/drugs/stories/top10.html) And that's just the ones who have been caught. The Olympic drug testing has failed to catch hundreds of athletes who were latter caught in other competitions or out of competition testing.
The Chinese doctor who ran their state-sponsored doping program in the '90s has admitted it in interviews. Why would you think they have stopped now? Seriously!!

Since we are tallking about a swimmer and a Olympic Swimming event… Lets look at the "swimming facts" More than 40 Chinese women swimmers have been caught doping since 1990, triple the number of any other nation that competes in international swimming. (www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/drugs/stories/top10.html) And that's just the ones who have been caught. The Olympic drug testing has failed to catch hundreds of athletes who were latter caught in other competitions or out of competition testing.
The Chinese doctor who ran their state-sponsored doping program in the '90s has admitted it in interviews. Why would you think they have stopped now? Seriously!!

Jeff, so convenient for you to focus on the Chinese dopers in that article while not mentioning that in the same article, point #3 was that the US Track and Field association had tried to cover up over 100 of their own athletes who tested positive for doping between 1988-2000. While crying foul that other countries were doping, the US association knowingly allowed over 100 American athletes who tested positive for doping in the months leading up to the Olympics during that period to compete. Some of those athletes won numerous medals during those Olympics. The names eventually leaked out and include the likes of Carl Lewis, Joe DeLoach, Andre Phillips and 19 other american athletes who had medaled during those olympics. ONLY when Dr. Wade Exum of the USOC leaked out that fact did the USOC looked so stupid and embarrassed, and guilty of lying, that US was forced to create an independent doping association for American athletes. That new association, the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, came into existence in 2000. It was a last resort to rebuild world trust in US atheletics since most would no longer trust the US Track and Field association to do an honest job.

Jeff, you sound like US track and field association – crying foul about others while turning a blind eyes to doping issues in your own athletes.

Ryan Reyes, I totally agree you the International Olympics Council should up hold a hight and reasonable standard to check against PED or any other form of cheatings. We as Chinese should not feel offended cause this is the rules of the game, otherwise, we should be out !

Jeff Rule, I reason with you because I recon you are capable of doing a sensible discussion. Why can't we calmly bringing out all the fact and have friendly discussion than swearing and asking people to leave your country. Won't you able to open your eyes to find out I'm not even living in your country but I'm living in U.K. This proves that your anger and inferiority has blocked your eyes to see anything now. What's the point to spill out anger at each other as this is just a platform TO TALK AND EXCHANGE OUR VIEWS. If you can't handle it in a calm and sensible way, stay away from it! After all, I recon China has a very bad history of doping and cheating as well. Bringing you the history is to let you know — don't sound like that AMERICA IS SUPER HOLY AND SUPERIOR, cause you're not! AMERICANS are just same human as the CHINESE, they cheat and dope as well, understand?! MAY BE YOU CAN BLACK OFF NOW…….

Thang Lieu, you're one of my most favourite commenter, well done! Good facts that you have presented!!

Well said Ngamoko, totally agree what you have said. I'm living in UK and the drug here is extremely hi-tech and serious. There is a $35M worth of labortory set aside and 150 scientists are employed to perform the test round the clock. Athletes are checked before and after every race. Both Blood and urine are tested. The drug test standard is endorsed by all of the major International Testing Authorities. So far more than 6,250 samples are test. Random and unannounced tests will be and/or has been carried out. Tests have been performed well before the different races are held. So far there has been Albanian and Uzbedistan althletes have been caught abusing PED. Experts have been saying the drug tests performing in UK is so far the most serious one in the history of the Olympics Games. I hope I list out all the facts here will give people in the world know the drug test is not as 'idiot' as they're thinking in their own minds…..

Delia Li and Jeff Rule, I thought I've already given you the evidence yesterday that would sufficient enough to support the fact that: 1. China is not the only country doped in the past, even America, Australia, and over one hundred countries in the world. If you're talking about that Ye is suspicious, she has been checked very seriously in view of the suspicion and has proven 'clean'. China's doping history shouldn't affect this finding. Fact is fact, non-agruable. 2. If you based on China's doping history to make a decision that Ye must has cheated/doped, this will be ridiculous. So let's just drop this accusation if you can't present any more solid proof. Jeff Rule, if you insist on once a thief and the whole life is thief, then I can and I have presented to you thousands of facts that American athletes have abused PED nationally, not just doping, but including abusing their competitors; cheated about their age; didn't started the race at the beginning of race but joined in at the middle of the race to run to cheat and created the best record; abusing PED at all levels in sports training and competitions, including collegiate training and compitions. The Americans are the inventor of the 1st PED, major PED selling in the world are invented by the Americans. Delia, I'm not defending Ye because she is a Chinese. I'm not even defending her, but I'm rather sick to see that people like Jeff Rule and Scott and many Americans in this site are criticise Ye and China doping and cheating just like that AMERICA is ALL CLEAN, this sickens me…….

Thang. EVERYONE is focusing on Chinese dopers. What part of that cant you understand. The article I quote above about the 40 Chinese Swimmers being caught doping is from a Canadian Source. Not only "The Americans" are suspicious of the Chinese and their long history. I never once said that the U.S has not had issues with doping, yet all the people chimming in with Chinese heritage are trying to defend the Chinese and their history of doping. Freda has no clue what she is talking about and that is obvious so I am not even going to respond to her. In closing, for all your grandstanding, badmouthing, and "us vs. them' talk, you should really take a look at where you are living and what rights you have because you live here. Last time I looked, Santa Ana, Ca wasn't in China.

Then be sick Freda. Fact is fact. No one ever said that American's haven't participated in doping. Doping and Cheating are some of China's smaller issues as far as I am concerned. Their government, disregard for western culture and international laws, the way they treat women…. Yeah, those are the bigger issues. We will see what the outcome is of this doping scandal. It may not be this year, maybe next or the year after, but we will see. Do some online research and you will see that the big bad Americans are not the only ones that are suspicious of Chinese swimming and Ye in particular. No sense in debating with people like you. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

Jeff Rule are you kidding me? The Chinese treat women just fine! Girls get all the same chances as boys to succeed; it's only a small percentage of parents who abort female fetuses in preference for males. And in a population the size of China's, a small percentage is a lot numerically. And once again, both you and Freda Ou (that rhymed) are missing the point. It all comes back to the original statement that her test determines her innocence. There are plenty of Chinese dopers but plenty of Chinese who won fair and square as well. But even if every single athlete from China has doped, you still cannot say that Ye is guilty because her test says she's innocent. Or do you doubt the Uk's ability to detect cheaters now?

Garrett Moe First, Lochte is not the fast man in that field. Secondly there was a American women out-swam Ye in 200free-style relay. Go investigate her first.

Garrett Moe I am not sure about that. But the fact that he could swim so many races in short period of time and achieve all golds is something no one could have achieved.

martinmcinally So Ye has passed those tests too. Should you be all over it? Please wait until you find she is cheating with proved evidence, just like Phelps.

Everyday is a new day. People will see something he/she has NEVER seen before. That's normal. Assume innocent until found guilty.

Does your data prove all Chinese swimmers are dopped? Using your logic, should you suspect all American athletes were dupped since more Americans have been found dopped than Chineses?

Given a world of several billion people there is plenty of fear, ignorance, mistrust, and need for sensationalism to go around. A good bit of reaction was amazement and celebration- from the press, from fellow swimmers and from the public. Your and my comments were in response to an article at a site called “inquisitr.com”, as in inquisition, by nature an accusatory site. The accusations are offensive and hurtful. The allegations are unproven. Do coaches and countries sponsor cheating and do athletes cheat? “yes”. Do some teams have a history with cheating? “yes”. I am not pointing a finger at YE, but the 1980’s and 90’s noted 50 substance violations of Chinese swimmers, 7 were tested positive for banned substances at the Asian Games in Japan in 1994 and 13 vials of human growth hormone was seized from Yuan Yuan at the 1998 World Championships in Australia. I hope Ye tests clean- it will be a vindication for her and for China and may help keep the masses from rushing to judgment in the future.

Kirk Economos , your words are kind and sensible, I totally agree with you. The test has been out for few days already, the world has been told that she was clean, however, like you're saying, China's reputation has been good in the past, so it takes a long time to restore it. Sadly, loads of Americans in this site are putting forth really nasty comments regarding Chinese and Ye, so unfair!

Jeff Rule, Please be honest to yourself that you didn't response to me because you couldn't face up the fact that your own country is not better than you thought. You can't face me up because your people is not better than the Chinese in cheating and doping. You ignore me because you finanally lost your temper and swore. Instead of backing off, you're now using the Canadians as a shield — I must say…….well done, coward!

Wagner Ta, I always have yellow skin, black hair, inside of me running the Chinese blood…….I love my own country CHINA no matter what, but I also love the world. No matter whether pelple like me or not, I love and accept them. If people is racist and nasty to me, I will let them know that they're not more superior than me…..

Jeff Rule, should people who live in America 'should not have their own opinion but should have the same opinion that you have'?!! You disgust me…..!

Jeff Rule, ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, one hand you said your country encourages 'free speech', the other hand you're challenging Thang and Delia to stand on your side to speak for your country……Is this the true meaning of 'freeeeeeee speeeeeech'in your dictionary?????????????!!!

Jeff Rule, it's so tiring to debate with you to be honest. Sensible people raised a point in a debate, if it has been proven to be wrong and/or if they can't find any more evidence to support their claim, they admit it or they back off, but you're just like a 'dead bird' which has been shot down, but still kee jumping up every 3-5 minutes………funny and ……strange……!!

Exactly. If you want to win at a debate, provide evidence or back off, cause you're wasting your time.
Here's my irrefutable evidence for why Ye is innocent:
1. she's a 16 year-old in her prime
2. her record leads up to this; she's been growing steadily as a swimmer
3. she didn't beat a man, she beat him in the final 50 meters.
4. Chinese athletes train impossibly hard
5. It wasn't Lochte's best race; even he admitted it. Had it been his best, Ye wouldn't have beat him.
6. The athletes are tested before they leave their home country and before they enter the competition.
7. the UK has the most secure drug-testing facility and the best scientist team of any olympics.
8. They proved her innocent! What more can you say.

They recently cheated again against south korea

No, my senses are just fine thank you for being concerned. At least if you look at my post I never resorted to name calling. I just know what it takes to be an athelete and strength is a physiological disadvantage that every woman faces when standing beside an equal competitor of the male persuasion. It does not tbother me one bit if you do not agree with me I live on in my own space with or without your approval. If I sounded like "God" then I guess I would be in pretty impressive company!

Freda Ou Also, I have said nothing about race nor ethnic idenitfication only about gender. I think that every nation has significantly talented individuals. I would even go so far as to say that Chinese people in general are pound for pound stronger than most europeans again that is generally and most nothing specific. Honestly, I really hope she has a long lived career with nothing but continued sucess. One more question why are you so angry?

It's ok, Regina Bramlett Hoover. she's just overreacting, and this whole conversation needs to just simmer down a bit.

Are you kidding? If China has that kind of dope that no test can detect, they'd feed their soccer team first! Maybe, this isn't only about the bias that the western have about China. Maybe it's just that women simply cannot beat men in any way just like Yes beat Lochte. Or maybe women aren't good enough to break world record, right?

Yes did use dope, she drank H2O! What a bad girl! She drank water! CAN you believe this? Oh, wait… Did we forget? That who was the one that first used dope? let me remind ya: Thomas Hicks…Is he Chinese? Is he?

Delia Li For the athelete to be drugged without her knowledge that would be the worst travesty of this whole affair. There is so much pressure on these atheletes and their trainers it is not inconcievable for the athelets to be taken advantage of by the ones that are prescribed to look after their well being. It would not be the first time for an innocent to be taken advantage of because of their physical prowess. I really am an advocate for the young lady. All I was saying is that there is a point of doubt when a woman can physically outdo a man. Imppossible? Well, nothing is impossible I guess but it is very unlikely for a woman to out perform a man athletically. I know she has trained her tail off to be in these games but so has every other representative in this competition. I doubt Lochte or Phellps has been sitting home eating cheetos. I want to get excited and jump up and down in glee for her achievments and I really hope that time will allow everyone the chance to sit back and scratch their heads and say how in the heck did she do that???

Are you kidding? If China has that kind of dope that no test can detect, they'd feed their soccer team first! Maybe, this isn't only about the bias that the western have about China. Maybe it's just that women simply cannot beat men in any way just like Ye's beaten Lochte. Or maybe women aren't good enough to break world record, right?
Maybe she did use dope, she drank H2O! What a bad girl! She drank water! CAN you believe this? Oh, wait… Did we forget? That who was the one that first used dope? let me remind ya: Thomas Hicks…Is he Chinese? Is he?

Thang Lieu, totally agree with you!

Denise, What's wrong about beating Locht & Phelp in the world class competitions?! They're not God, any record they have achieved will be beaten one day, may be by a 'nobody'…..this day may be coming petty soon! I will never doubt about the potential and ambition of the next generation, if they try and practise and strike for the excellence, this one day will come for sure………

Sarah Melton , the problem is — people won't shut up even the test result is published! They went on accusing China produced best PED that couldn't bedetected. After that, they went on presenting loads of facts about China doped in the past to assume that Ye must have doped as well. People are not really debate according to logic!

Regina Bramlett Hoover, 'why am I so angry?', to be honest, I was not angry at all. If using '!' making you feel that I was angry, then I'll be more careful in future in using it. Sorry to make you feeling that way, I was posting a comment and try to emphasize…..nothing personal….

Regina Bramlett Hoover, just seen an ad posted by Nike saying 'will power knows no obstacles'. I know there is 'limitation' in everything, but I also know that every person has a different limit depending on how hard and how much time they spend on what they are aiming for. Their hard work can bring their body power exceeds the normal limits and be strengthed to the most. I believe there are so much more they can achieve than we sitting down to 'imagine'……

Wouldn't it be great if at least the Olympics could be free of the taint of prejudice, conflict born of different beliefs and nationalism taken to extreme? Wouldn’t it be great if, at one event every four years, everyone could just honor and celebrate the best athletes in the world? I will remind myself that as I watch the games and encourage others to do the same.

Kirk Economos, very kind, let's do it….

Ahhh! Did anyone read my last comment? People just gotta settle down a bit. We're all aware that she's been proven innocent but there are still lingering doubts. So what? We can argue it out amongst ourselves but we have to be nice.

Delia, I think you're a little over worry. There has not been any one being 'not nice'. We are adult and are debating in an adult way. If at times we over reacted, we ourselves should be the people to apologize not you. Your interference will make things more complicated.

Thank You Freda,its just awful to acuse a 16 year old girl,and hurt her in that way…shame on them.

May I invite all who commented in this site to have a look at Wikipedia and http://www.london2012.com/swim, you will find more than half a dozen of swimmers swam faster than Lochte in the last 50M, same as Yes. The whole agruement was about why a female athlete could have out performed a male in the world level competition. Well, take a look, Yes was not the only swimmer who swam faster than Lochte in the last 50M, 4 more female swimmers did that including Adlington from UK. Using the same way that the foreign reporters interrogated Yes in the London press conference, guys, look me in the eyes and just answer 'yes' or 'no', are you racist and have double standard? Did your athletes abuse PED during the London Olympics Games? May be now you understand how come a whole of Chinese or overseas Chinese reacted to this case with anger and feeling that particularly the Americans have treated Yes and the Chinese so unfair and rude……

Caitlin Owen-shore, thank you for your fair comment.

Tamara Wright, where is the proof of her doping? Present evidence or back off!

Jeff Rule , open your eyes and go check Wikipedia and http://www.london2012.com/swim, more than 4 female swimmers had out ferformed Lochte in the last 50M, incl Ye. Lochte didn't swam that fast in his last 50M even that he finally got a gold medal.

Denise DeRosa, Ryan's information was not accurate at all, Ye was not the only person who beated Lochte's record in the last 50M, another four females incl Adlington of UK has beaten his record in the last 50M. Lochte didn't do this well in his last 50M. Check Wikepedia and http://www.london2012.com/swim for details.

Jeff Rule, Badmouthing your country?! Are you kidding, the information about Americans abuse PED is all over the web sites, most of them were composed by your fellow Americans and being part of your sports history. If Americans didn't first point the fingers at the Chinese and a 16 year old girl, you will not have invited a whole bunch of Chinese or international Chinese reacted to you with all these scandals…..

Denise DeRosa, assumption, assumption, assumption…..why Americans always build their cases by assumptions? Where is your evidence and logic?

Ok Freda, just stop. Stop generalizing about "Americans" doing whatever as if they are a big group. If you haven't noticed, there are plenty of Americans like me who support her as well, so don't go talking trash about "Americans." I think this conversation is done. I've proven my point multiple times and my debaters have stopped commenting, so I would recommend you to quit replying to posts that are some 30 comments up. As they say "when they've stopped attacking you, there's no point in continuing to pursue them."

Delia, number one, you don't own this site, so PLEASE don't act like you're the boss or the SUPER POLICE like the American government always does. I don't tend to generalize but it was when most of the Americans started to attacked CHINA AND CHINESE that led to my generalization. By the way, why are you attacking by saying the word 'trash', where is this anger coming from? If you don't always act like a 'super police' or a 'super watchman', I believe you'll feel better after all….

Freda, number one, this post is mine, so PLEASE don't keep saying things that are no longer relevant. The topic of this post is the innocence of Ye Shiwen, and the fourth comment above this one ends any kind of further debate. I'm sorry to inform you that your comment adressing Denise Derosa was rude to Americans. Where did you get "super police" and "super watchman" from? I might not own this site, but I do own this post. Go up 62 comments from here and you'll see my name on it. Is it now illegal in your eyes for a person to try to keep a conversation polite? I think you do actually sound quite angry in your previous posts. (You can go back up and check.) I think you are in fact a bit racist too. Just because some Americans were rude and attacked Ye doesn't mean you can be rude back and attack ALL Americans.

Any further discussion can only waste our time. The point has been proven so I politely request that we end this conversation here.

Yes as fast as the fastest man who loafed along, get real

Yeah well even Lochte admitted that it wasn't his best time.

Nate Slocum, It's the history tells us that America invaded Iraq and Afanganistan and wanted to take advantage of their oil. They lied about biological and nuclear weapons, but none of these had been found in both countries. The American government tried to fool their own people and the world with the worst excuse, who is more deceiving?! At least China had never invaded another country and killed their civilians…..in our Chinese history, more than eight countries including America, invaded China, robbed and burned our palaces, killed our people…..look at your museams are still displaying those antiques that your country robbed from China…….America is not just deceiving, you're robbers, murderers….how dare you accuse China of anything and talk like that your country is super holy, go back to your history book and your library and re-study your world history before you come here and tend to humiliate China and Chinese people. You disgust me…….

Nate Slocum, What's wrong for wanting to be on the top of everything? What's wrong about striving for excellence? What's wrong to expect our children to try their best for everything? Do your country send your athletes to the Olympics games and asked them to do bad and not to try their best? Have you taken too much wine and lost your mind?

Nate Slocum, What's wrong for wanting to be on the top of everything? What's wrong about striving for excellence? What's wrong to expect our children to try their best for everything? Do your country send your athletes to the Olympics games and asked them to do bad and not to try their best? Have you taken too much wine and lost your mind?

Ewan Fallon, open your eyes and check http://www.london2012.com/swim, Ye and other four female swimmers were faster than Lochte in the last 50M, but overall, they are not faster than Lochte, wake up!

No Freda, coming out on top is fine. He thinks that the Chinese lie, cheat, and steal to come out on top of everything. This is different from trying your best because this qualifies as cheating. And Freda speaks the truth, Nate. America has done some pretty bad things in the past that aren't mentioned too much in the history books. Our economy is in shatters while our mighty military is over on the other side of the world, dropping bombs on mud huts in the middle of a desert. Just because you hate the government of china doesn't mean you can just insult their culture like that.