Lakewood’s Masterpiece Cakeshop Refuses Gay Couple’s Wedding Business, Sparks Social Media Frenzy
Lakewood, Colorado’s Masterpiece Cakeshop, until very recently, had a solid set of five-star reviews on Yelp and managed to stay out of the realm of social media outrage, but after rudely refusing the business of a gay couple, the bakery has won itself a whole bunch of whatever the word is for “opposite of fans.”
Masterpiece Cakeshop has apparently, in the past, rejected gay patrons seeking wedding cakes, per a Denver-area blog. But the issue did not come front and center on social media until one gay couple says they were treated so shabbily, the just wanted to prevent any other same-sex couples from encountering the same poor treatment and subsequent heartache.
28-year-old Dave Mullins and 31-year-old Charlie Craig are tying the knot this fall, and the pair envisioned a rainbow layer cake with frosting to match their wedding colors — teal and red. A somewhat simple request, and certainly not outlandish when stacked up against wedding cakes in general, lest we forget that the genre includes bridges, fountains, cake-rendered likenesses of actual humans and all sorts of wedding related frippery.
But Mullins and Craig were turned away, and not because Masterpiece Cakeshop objected to their brightly-colored confectionary leanings. No, the business instead objected to their gayness, and made no bones about telling them so. Mullins did not say exactly what Masterpiece Cakeshop owner Jack Phillips said to deny their request, but the groom-to-be did say he was pissed off at the time:
“It was the most awkward, surreal, very brief encounter… We got up to leave, and to be totally honest, I said, ‘F*ck you and your homophobic cake shop.’ And I may or may not have flipped him off.”
Mullins and Craig are not the first same-sex couple to be insulted by the Masterpiece Cakeshop. The Denver blog quotes Yelp user Sara, whose information is almost painfully understanding of the shop’s homophobia. Sara goes to great lengths to explain that she isn’t trying to organize an angry mob, but such a rejection could prove hurtful to other gay customers:
“I feel I need to disclose to anyone with an ‘alternative’ lifestyle, that this company does not want your business, as they do not participate in making cakes for ‘illegal’ things, such as a commitment ceremony (exact quote)… All we wanted was a cake, and I totally respect the right to refuse service, (but) I feel obligated to help anyone else avoid what was an incredibly awkward situation by selecting this place for your services. That is simply it (right, wrong or indifferent). Nothing more, nothing less.”
For a bakery that is holding fast to their convictions, Masterpiece Cakeshop isn’t forthcoming when asked by media about its policy. When queried, the shop told the blog to “make something up” because they would not be officially commenting on the gay cake policy.
Mullins says that the incident was the first time a business has refused his custom due solely to the fact his rainbow money wasn’t good enough, and it was hurtful:
“But this is the first time I’ve ever been refused service at a business because I was gay.. I want (Phillips) to know that what he did hurt us. All we wanted was a cake. We didn’t want him to put on a rainbow shirt and march in the gay pride parade. This is me standing up for my community’s rights.”
The pair, who say they do not condone harassing Masterpiece Cakeshop, did have a happy ending. After going to the “gayest” bakery they could find, Mullins and Craig now expect to have their dream cake for their special day in the fall. Awww.
Tags : gay marriage, homophobia, masterpiece cakeshop gay weddings, masterpiece cakeshop lakewood co, social media outrage, yelp reviews
Posted: July 23, 2012
Jul 23, 2012
If the shop did not want to make the cake, why didn't they just say they were booked and let it go at that? I am glad that they found a shop to make them a cake.
Jul 23, 2012
I just found my new bakery! I will be sending all of the business that I can to this shop! and as for MY shop,,,, it is MY shop and My right to refuse service to anyone I choose!
Jul 23, 2012
It is my understanding that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Jul 23, 2012
It is my understanding that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Jul 23, 2012
It is my understanding that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Jul 23, 2012
It is my understanding that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Jul 23, 2012
It is my understanding that a business has the right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
Jul 23, 2012
So lying is better than exercising your right to freedom of speech and freedom to run your business however you see fit?
Jul 23, 2012
So lying is better than exercising your right to freedom of speech and freedom to run your business however you see fit?
Jul 23, 2012
Okay so don't lie, but freedom of speech does not mean you have to be a jerk about it either.
Jul 23, 2012
Yes.
Jul 23, 2012
Ah yes, more anti-gay hatred with really no excuse for it. F*** that bakery…I would never patronize that horrid place…and F*** Phillips, too, a-hole.
Jul 23, 2012
This type of behavior is unreal and so sad in this day and age. Bigots come in all shapes, sizes and businesses. I wish the happy couple the best and hope this in no way cast a shadow on thier special day.
Jul 23, 2012
That's what people in the south used to say to discriminate against blacks.
Jul 23, 2012
To me the right to refuse service is to protect owners from dealing with dangerous, problematic customers, not turn people away because of their life choices. Unfortunately they still do have that right to turn away anyone they wish, just like they could have turned someone away because they were of a different religion or race right? In this country in many ways we are free to do as we please, to make a life for ourselves and live it as peacefully and successfully as we want, that gives us the freedom to deny others citizens that right as well. Is it right? No not always but it does happen as seen here and the only thing that can be said is the majority of this nation is for equal treatment FOR EVERYONE no matter what, and there are still some that think it is just for a select few.
Jul 23, 2012
I am for equal rights for everyone but I think if you own your own business you should have the right to refuse service to anyone. You may lose business because of the decision, but it is your right.
Jul 23, 2012
If he does not want to serve a select group, then perhaps he should say so on his website or store front that way they will know before the go.
Jul 23, 2012
Being black is genetic, being gay is a "lifestyle choice."
Jul 23, 2012
Please do, find as many occasions as possible for you to gorge yourself on politically incorrect cake…Eat,eat,eat the cake. Have some more. Would you like another slice? Maybe if you are very,very lucky ,you will find a racist teahouse,or an extremely sexist coffeshop where you can get beverages with which to choke down your cake….and you know,while you are at it, you may want to consider finding some way to express your mentally retarded political leanings that is less gay than decorated cake and pastry?
Jul 23, 2012
thats whats so great about the U.S.A. I have the right to run my business as I want… not as you want……….. and I have the right to support a business that is run with my values!!!!!!!!!!!! We are one nation under God, but that does not make you god over businesses!!!!!!!!!!! dont like it dont shop there but never ever think you have a right to tell me or this bakery how to run our businesses!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (unless of course you think you are ordained superior by mr. ohbummer
in that case its to late for you to see I also have rights… lolololol )
Jul 23, 2012
It is sad that these couples are made to feel this way when they are trying to make plans for their big day, but can you think of anything more ridiculous than a male cake decorator making a stand about the "right way" for genders to act? He is known for making brightly decorated pastry, specifically for weddings. While I do not share this opinion, in my home town this was a job only ever for elderly women. There were no male cake decoraters to be found. Not one. There were a few male florists, but not nearly as many as those who were elderly women. If this man was secure in his masculinity and sexual preference, this would be a non issue. Secure normal straight guys have no problem with another man being gay or not. I think this is a way for the cake maker to accidentally reveal that he is gay himself and keeping closeted for some reason. He was probably accused by family members of homosexuality because of his career choice.He cannot stand up for himself and he lacks the strength to stand up for the rights of others. The "make something up" comment regarding refusal to make a statement shows that he does not want to directly lie about it, and he knows gay men personally well enough to know that they would shred any statement he made. The refusal to make a statement about it is kind of like talking about your boyfriend a lot using only gender neutral pronouns. Eventually people see through the shade.
Jul 23, 2012
I did not say anything about how you choose to run your business. If I were to do so, I would express delight in the fact that you sell used cars and must have really taken a beating in the recession. I would also remark that it was unsurprising to find that you sell guns and that the "judgement" used to make the above statement is the same judgement you use to determine if someone should be allowed to purchase a firearm.Thanks to guys like you,people across the nation can be terrified to go to the movies.
Jul 23, 2012
I did not say anything about how you choose to run your business. If I were to do so, I would express delight in the fact that you sell used cars and must have really taken a beating in the recession. I would also remark that it was unsurprising to find that you sell guns and that the "judgement" used to make the above statement is the same judgement you use to determine if someone should be allowed to purchase a firearm.Thanks to guys like you,people across the nation can be terrified to go to the movies.
Jul 23, 2012
Such a shame. He needs to come down off his "high horse" and do his job. Some people are so ignorant!
Jul 23, 2012
lololol is ignorance a life choice or were you born that way????? LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jul 23, 2012
ohhhhhhh i get it, gays should have the right to refuse service but….not….straights….?????? so if we are racist for not wanting to serve the gay community then what is the word you use for yourselves when you refuse to serve the straight community? ……. JUSTIFIED?!? or do you think that gays do no wrong and wouldn't do that? because if so….look in the news a little harder!
Jul 23, 2012
That a lot of words
Jul 23, 2012
Hello Elisa. So, if a business owner chooses not to serve me simply because I'm Black is that his right as well? Just wondiering. I kind of thoght that matter had been resolved some 35 to 40 years ago with the civil rights movement. I agree with you, he's only hurting himself by reducing his bottom line. But, the bigger question becomes do we as a socieity want to move forward or backward?
Jul 23, 2012
http://www.wate.com/story/19065218/chick-fil-a-surprises-some-with-gay-marriage-talk ok, so its chick.fil.a for dinner and masterpiece bakery for dessert!
Jul 23, 2012
They may according to law refuse business, based on sexual discriminatuion is stupid. They may go out of business for their stand. If a business cannot serve everyone they should not be allowed to serve anyone.
Jul 23, 2012
You are a f###ing republican asshole!
Jul 23, 2012
Reggi Taylor-Ochoa Being born black and choosing to be gay are like comparing Apples and oranges ! As Free Americans we have the right to refuse service and to our own religious beliefs! THAT"S AMERICA ! and the reason so many people world wide came to our great country! FREEDOM !
Jul 23, 2012
David, Could you possibly be Gay also ? You are FREE to do as you please with your life, but we are also FREE to not "Have" to accept your life style nor do we" HAVE" to play a part in it ! FREEDOM ! David stating one's case or position is one thing…….. it's called" DEBATE" . Name calling and harsh statements against another human as you did all in your comments, is childish and wrong. It just shows your ignorance !
Jul 23, 2012
Elisa-youre just young and stupid so you get a pass…it is NOT legal in most states to discriminate in a public business. KKK business owners cannot refuse blacks, anti-semites cannot refuse to serve jews, etc. You cannot have a functioning, freedom lovign country that allows public businesses to discriminate-it wouldnt work. I am not aware of Colorado's rules, but if they dont have anti-discrimination laws protecting gays they will soon.
Jul 23, 2012
Dani Smith -youre completely ignorant when it comes to orientation-guess thats why youre attending RCC college. In all seriousness, though, since youre too lazy to look it up, being gay is INNATE just like skin color or gender-ALL psychologists agree that orientation is at LEAST partly innate. NO-you are a complete idiot-you cant use religion to decide who you will serve in the public sphere. If that were so, christians could refuse to serve to jews because they dont believe in jesus. Mulsims could refuse to serve to christians, etc. If you truly followed your bible, little bimbo, you wouldnt be talking when men are sharing tehir views-it is against the law per your bible…
Jul 23, 2012
No, Dean-youre an imbecile and would never own your own business anyway-now just keep making those chik fil a sandwiches and let teh adults talk..
Jul 23, 2012
Dean Cimino -you dont have the right to run your business any wya you want-if you were really a business owner youd know that-what an idiot
Jul 23, 2012
wow-so much ignorance on this site-most states have anti-dcsirmination laws for every public business-across teh states, these include: religion, gender and race-not all include orientation, but they will soon-
Jul 23, 2012
Dani, Could you be perhaps having an issue with reading comprehension regarding my comment? Feel free to defend the rights of anyone you like,but do not feel free to attempt to censor me with your claims, so what if I am gay or straight? Why should it matter ? Does it make me more or less worthy to be sharing my opinion? Do you really feel so strongly that these people should be hurt in this way? Why do you want to hurt people? Why do you harbor so much malice toward people you don't even know? Claim whatever you like about your pursuit of freedom, but it seems a lot like bigotry in the form of attempted censorship to me. Do you really think that your ignorant remarks about me come across any different from this supposed "name calling" you claim? The phrase "mentally retarded" is a remark about a person's mentality being undeveloped. It is only an "insult" to people like you,who fake sympathy for social acceptance. I meant it literally, not as a nasty insulting euphemism, a form of communication with which you seem all too familiar. His views represent the views of a person who shows very little sign of mental development, and the form he chose for his response only proves this. I wasn't attacking special needs people, so there is no need for you to feel offended or insulted.
Jul 23, 2012
People don't CHOOSE to be gay any more than straight people choose to be straight. Saying it is a choice is close minded and ignorant.
Jul 23, 2012
In America the practice of not serving someone because you don't like them is called discrimination. You may post signs that apply to all customers, like no shoes, no shirt, no service. Common sense really, put yourself in that person's place, one who walks in to a store and is looking forward to a purchase and they are told that their money is not welcome, this is a cruel and dumb business practice.
Jul 24, 2012
In America the practice of not serving someone because you don't like them is called discrimination. You may post signs that apply to all customers, like no shoes,no shirt, no service. Common sense really, put yourself in that person's place, one who walks in to a store and is looking forward to a purchase and they are told that their money is not welcome, this is a cruel and dumb business practice.
Jul 24, 2012
Dani. I need you to prove that being gay is a choice. Do you have empirical evidence to support that assumption? That is a matter that world renowned biologist and social scientist are still debating. But let's just say, for the sake of argument, that you are correct. Being Christian is also a choice. No one is born Christian. So if I have a business and I refuse to serve Christians is that too my prerogative? Being Catholic or Protestant or Hindu are choices. People convert or change their faith readily. So, per you logic a business owner who chooses not to serve Catholics is not only within his rights but morally correct if he perceives Catholic beliefs and practices to be contrary to his own. Where then does it stop in a multiracial, multicultural society like the United States? Can any business owner set his/her own arbitrary rules for who is and who is not worthy of his/her goods or services? Too many people fought and died to alleviate this kind of bigotry in this country. Too much blood has been shed for us to take that kind of ugliness into the future. What a shame that you can so easily dismiss those sacrifices. And, quite frankly, I, as a Black man don't need you to explain to me what bigotry is. I would place my wagers that I experience a great deal more of it in a single day than you ever will in a lifetime. My vision of America and the freedom it has to offer do not include segregation or discrimination for any reason stemming from race, creed, gender or sexual orientation. That is freedom. One is of course free to hate but it does nothing to move a nation, or the world forward. Actions born of hate, irrational fear are by their very nature, regressive.
Jul 24, 2012
You are so right and obvioulsly they are in the business of DISCRIMINATION instead of CAKES ! I thought that discrimination was not allowed but then its obvious that this business owner is a Christian Conservative of the rightwingers group so that says it all !!!!! What a shame !
Jul 24, 2012
Well seeings how they are exercising THEIR rights, lets hope THEIR business doesn't suit the main public ! I say find another deserving CAKE SHOP people !
Jul 24, 2012
Hey Dean, keep that attitude up and make sure everyone knows it ! Hopefully the "sane" people will by pass you're shop ! Rotton Attitude dude !
Jul 24, 2012
I say re-name the cake shop…… CAKES by DISCRIMINATION !
Jul 24, 2012
Dani, people don't choose to be gay. They are born gay, and then make the choice either to be happy, or to lie to themselves and be "straight". I'm a transgender man, but being born as a girl, I can tell you, I have liked and looked at women sexually since I was 4, and even if I wanted too, I couldn't change that. But let me tell you, the gay doesn't go away just because someone says "I'm cured." I personally think that if you own a business, you shouldn't be forced to serve anyone, gay, straight, black, white, for whatever reason you want. But that doesn't mean they'll be getting much business. Most people don't like bigots, racists, or people who are prejudiced against anything that someone can't control, so, the business model of 'serving everyone' is an extremely effective one.
Jul 24, 2012
Morally, I would agree, but I also know that the majority of people don't like the anti-gay agenda, so I don't worry too much about it. I don't think we need a law saying they have to serve anyone, because by the time there is, their 'policy' will have lost them too many customers to stay in business. If I don't like how you treat people, I won't be your customer. And thats just how life is. Cake shops are a dime a dozen anyway.
Jul 24, 2012
Agreed!!
Jul 24, 2012
That's the very thinking that made the Civil Rights Act necessary.
Jul 24, 2012
So why don't you put up a "whites only" sign at your car dealership while you're at it? Fucking redneck trash. If it were up to people like you, we'd still be living in caves. I pity you. Life must be pretty miserable when you're afraid of progress.
Jul 24, 2012
These folks did my birthday cake several years in a row. Their cakes were always the best, and they were really popular in Lakewood. What a shame they turned out to be backward redneck bigots. I think next year I'll get a cake that isn't made with hate.
Jul 24, 2012
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/restaurants-right-to-refuse-service.html
Jul 24, 2012
Vanessa, There actually are state and federal laws forbidding private businesses from refusing to provide service to a patron based on age/sex/religion/race/nationality/(perceived) disability/sexual orientation. A person has a right to discriminate (wrong as it may be) but a business does not as a business is not a person or even can be considered a group. Had the bakery said that they do not have the time to make the cake or the materials or they just don't like the concept of the cake itself, that would be one thing. But in this and apparently other cases, the business entity has refused to provide a service based on the customer requesting it. People as individuals do not sign a contract on how to interact with other people on a day to day basis (of course if you break a law you face the consequences) but when a person signs a state document requesting a business license they are agreeing to the state laws governing the practice.
Jul 24, 2012
A business can refuse service based on:
Patrons who are unruly
-Patrons who would place your business overcapacity in violation of local fire laws
-Patrons who wish to be served after hours or just before closing, necessitating the expenditure of overtime for your employees.
-Patrons who bring non-paying customers with them that require more space than one person would be reasonably be allocated. In other words, if a paying customer brings three non-paying customers and is seated at a four person booth, service cannot be refused. However if the customer brings six non-paying customers, he or she can be refused service because it requires the use of more than the one booth allocated to the paying customer.
-Patrons who exhibit such poor hygiene that results in numerous customers leaving.
But there are federal and state laws which forbid refusing service to a patron based on age/sex/race/nationality/disability/sexual orientation.
Jul 24, 2012
Sounds pretty gluttonous to me. Hope you don't get judged for committing an actual sin (if you believe in all that hooey anyway)
Jul 24, 2012
Leigh Phantomhart here, here. Well said!
Jul 24, 2012
I somewhat agree with Leigh Phantomhart and that a business should not (and I think cannot) be forced to provide service. But I do think that if you break the law then you pay the consequences. And this bakery broke the law, more than once according to the multiple reports of discrimination. I personally would go to another place where I am comfortable and welcome, but there is also a part of me that would go and try to get service and ask friends to go as well, and each time we are refused, call the authorities and make the bakery pay until they either learn the lesson or go out of business. And being that I am a troublemaker I would probably do the latter just for fun. ; P
Jul 24, 2012
LMFAO……………… !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the gay population wonders why there is a bias against them…. BTW,,, MY business is doing just fine despite obummers efforts to get me to go on welfare.
Jul 24, 2012
you all have fun getting your blood pressure up on this thread, I need to go open MY store for the day !!!!!!
Jul 24, 2012
Look at the color in that cake. I get hives just thinking about it. However, it might be worth the allergic reaction just for the brightly colored poop afterwards.
Jul 28, 2012
I love when bigots quote the bible and the Constitution, its hilarious! And why are most Christians (and I use that term loosely) NOTHING like Christ?? YOU will be the ones judges
Jul 28, 2012
I think its funnny how you capitolized Constitution, but not the Bible! Ha
Jul 28, 2012
Huh? This article doesn't mention anything about Christians, the Bible or the Constitution.
Jul 28, 2012
Well Reggi I guess a business could do that if they wanted to, however God created you to be black! God did not create these people to be gay. Thats the differance!
Jul 28, 2012
Gail Finnell that cant be done. I dont think that would go over well do you.
Jul 28, 2012
I'll tell you what is unreal in any day and age, that people actually think this type of lifestyle is OK. They are casting their own shadow.
Jul 28, 2012
David Sentell this is not judgement, merely the right to express Dean's opinions on values and morals that is serverely laking in this world today! Dean thank you, good to know there are still good people out there! To David, politically correct, haha, have people really forgotten biblicaly correct!! Where are peoples heads today, up Satans toosh.
Jul 28, 2012
Patti, so you think someone standing up for their moral beliefs is ignorant, I dont think so, what does the creator of the universe say about being gay?
Jul 28, 2012
I know people automaticly defend their opinions and their behavior this way! Good to know "We have overcome!" Praise GOD!!!
Jul 28, 2012
Oh yea, this comment makes everything better, maybe in YOUR mind!
Jul 28, 2012
The bigots I was referring to were the ones making comments, not the writer of the article… the capitalization wasn't intentional
Jul 28, 2012
The bigots I was referring to were the ones making comments, not the writer of the article… the capitalization wasn't intentional
Jul 28, 2012
@Ruth – You do not know what you are talking about and you are only spewing out what has been fed to you. Reggi is black because his parents were black. Not because a god made him that way.
Jul 28, 2012
@Ruth – no standing up for your beliefs is not necessarily ignorant. If those beliefs are based on fact and everyone in the entire world believes in the same. I think everyone can agree that to murder another person is wrong both ethically and morally and spiritually no matter what religion/sex/age/race/ect. There are actual effects brought upon the person that was murdered without their consent. And when someone kills another person, no one agrees or condones it. Yet, not everyone in the entire world agrees on homosexuality between two consenting adults being wrong. You may, but I don't and neither of us is more right than the other. You have absolutely all the rights in the world to believe as you do. But the second you try to take away someone elses rights because they conflict with your beliefs than you are going past the boarder or expression and crossing over to oppression. And your "creator" is not my creator, so I don't care what you think your god says. When you are able to understand why you refuse all other possible gods, then you will understand why I refuse yours
Jul 28, 2012
In the USA it's called free speach! If they wish to not suport Gays, so be it. There are plenty of other Cakeshops. You are also given the right the protest. And that is fine too. But death threats are too far. We live in America so respect eachothers rights.
Jul 28, 2012
In the USA it's called free speach! If they wish to not suport Gays, so be it. There are plenty of other Cakeshops. You are also given the right the protest. And that is fine too. But death threats are too far. We live in America so respect eachothers rights.
Jul 28, 2012
Keep God out of this… It is a civil rights issue. Totally political. It is discrimination to not serve someone because they are gay. It doesn't matter whether they "chose" to be gay or not. Frankly it is nobody's damn business how people choose to live their lives. Keep your ignorant beliefs to yourself.
Jul 29, 2012
@Lauren, FYI there is only one creator. That is the one and only God.
Jul 29, 2012
@Lauren, FYI there is only one creator. That is the one and only God.
Jul 29, 2012
nope. not true. you will find out sooner or later.
Jul 29, 2012
@Lauren you dont know what YOU are talking about!! Who the heck do you think made Reggi's parents a black elf…seriously! @Candice this is ALL about God!
Jul 29, 2012
Yep it is true! No YOU will find out sooner or later!
Jul 29, 2012
You think an invisible entity created a fully grown man out of dust!! You know how crazy that sounds? speaking of elves! Did he wave a magic wand too?!?!
Jul 29, 2012
wow. original. HAHAHA
Jul 29, 2012
Invisible huh? Beautiful sunsets, flowers, grass, newborn babies, ah it must be that elf again. If I didnt know better, I'd think that little elf sounds just like GOD!
Jul 29, 2012
You do know that the sun rises and sets because the earth turns. The sun actually stays still. The earth takes 365 days to make a complete rotation around the sun which causes seasons b/c the earth is tilted in an axis. And as is make that 365 day rotation, it is turning over and over causing day and night.
Flowers are actually the reproductive organ of a plant, so in other words you are smelling a vagina!! Many seed plants form seeds inside flowers. For reproduction to take place, pollen grains from the male stamen must be carried to the female part of the flower, the pistil. Two ways that flowers are pollinated are by insects and by the wind. The insects like the bright petals and the sweet smell of the flowers. They land on the flowers to drink a liquid called nectar. When bees touch the stamen, pollen sticks to the bees. When the bees move around the flower, pollen is transfered to the pistil. Pollination leads to the making of one or more seeds in a flower. When seeds settle, have enough water, and have enough space to grow, they start to germinate. Once the seedling starts to grow out of the seed, it also grows roots. It then is a young plant, and continues to grow.
And we have already discussed where babies come from on another thread. I never claimed to think that there is a magic elf. In fact there is no magic elf. It sounds like you do though. But instead of calling it an elf, you call it a god. But when you are able to understand why you dismiss all other gods then you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Jul 29, 2012
You have it back words Ruth. Dean is merely using is right to express his judgements. They are still judgements whether he expresses them or keeps them to his self.
Jul 30, 2012
WOW!!! You are just a whack job!
Jul 30, 2012
I would not eat one of his cakes his finger nails are nasty underneath them and all long and crap looks nasty his eyes are too close together! just gross
Jul 30, 2012
HAHAHA. So I provide actual proven information and you contest that god causes sunrises like the Greek god Apollo and I am the whack job!? LOL you can't actually intelligently debate with me. LMFAO.
Jul 30, 2012
Homosexuality has been depicted since mankind started cave drawings and hieroglyphics. Homosexuality has been in EVERY age and is not a new invention. Even the Greeks had their gods in homosexual exploits all the way up to Zeus. An Egyptian king was found in a tomb berried with his partner. And there are more evidence that shows homosexuality through other cultures and even homosexual marriage. Again, you don't know what you are talking about, Ruth!
Jul 30, 2012
Dani Smith~ being ignorant and hateful is a choice. Being gay is not.
Jul 30, 2012
Oh and apples and oranges are both still fruit in the end!
Jul 31, 2012
Ruth Jivan Smith Overcome the hateful? I agree, we WILL overcome… oh wait we actually already did, it was called the Civil Libirties Act, and the Civil Rights Movement… some people are just a bit stuck in the last century, and the backwoods. Peace and Love.
Jul 31, 2012
Lauren Jaye Siegel you are trying to make this world SO complicated with your "actual proven information" like you are some kind of scientist…LOL. Just give God the credit already, instead of all your "proof" that I learned in a man made text book years ago! Do you think ALL the things you mention
ed above JUST HAPPENS! If YOU think THAT you are crazy!
Jul 31, 2012
Lauren…thanks for the history lesson, but it DOES NOT make it right! So if your best friend jumps off a cliff are you going to follow?
Jul 31, 2012
No just the truth!
Jul 31, 2012
No Kristi, I am talking about this very present day!! Some people are just a bit stuck in not believing Christ IS coming back:)
Jul 31, 2012
Ruth~ Freedom of religion does not mean freedom to force others to follow yours. If you prefer to to have faith in something because a man written book says too, that's your choice, how dare you tell anyone to just give God credit already. What makes me laugh the most, is your text book, says that women should not teach about the lord that it is mans job, because Adam came before Eve. Who are you to pick and choose what to take literally from the Bible? If you believe it enough to preach it, you should follow it completely, or you're just a hypocrite spewing crap and hate and intolerance. I think you're the crazy one.
Jul 31, 2012
Look Jessica whether Im a man or a woman I WILL stand up for the ONE and ONLY creator and God until the day I die!!! That is most definately MY right! That" text book" is called The Bible and I believe it from front to cover. If you knew anything about The Bible that you are accusing me of picking and choosing out of, you would understand we are human, we are flesh we are not perfect only Jesus was. I am NOT forcing anyone to follow God, which is not "religion" it is a personal relationship. Yes, everyone is free to chose. I am just saying the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ who died on the cross for ALL our sins!
Jul 31, 2012
There is nothing wrong about it is the point. Not only has it been constant throughout human history, but over 1500 different species from mammals to birds to reptiles and even insects. That fact that you THINK it is wrong is the problem and your problem.
Jul 31, 2012
I somewhat agree that they would have gotten off the hook by just making up a reason to not do the cake, and there at least wouldn't be any hurt feelings involved. but if they really are true Christians, doing so would have meant that they provided false witness. So I guess it is a rock and a hard place for them. Break a state law that may result in fines or break a biblical law. Awww the hardships of religious zealots.
Jul 31, 2012
Ruth Jivan Smith Yes Ruth, it is soooooooo complicated. I know your brain hurts. I know it is much easier to remain in a childhood state of mind believing in magic and fairy tales and happily ever afters. Real life is hard! Being an adult and having to grow up sucks, for all of us. But there comes a time when one should realize that Santa and the Easter bunny is really just some pervert dressed up in a creepy suit. Or dad. But if you want to remain in a sedated childhood state and swallow what ever is shoved down your throat, that is up to you. Have fun! You do know that some of the info I gave you would have been EASY questions on Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader. And no I am no scientist. Not even close. But I did graduate high school…not so sure about you.
Jul 31, 2012
In the USA is it called breaking the law!! A person has the right to reserve judgements but a business is not considered a person but a place of accommodation. In this bakery's case they are under not only the federal civil rights laws but additionally The Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act. Effective May 29, 2008, the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act was expanded to include sexual orientation, inclusive of transgender status, to the list of protected classes for public accommodations. Colorado now prohibits discrimination against individuals because they are straight, lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender in establishments like
restaurants, hotels, retail stores, and hospitals.
What does the Anti-Discrimination Act now prohibit you may ask? Well…
Places of public accommodation may not deny any person participation, entry, or services based upon the person’s sexual orientation, including transgender status. What is a “place of public accommodation”? A public accommodation is any place of business engaged in offering sales or services of any kind to the public, as well as any place offering facilities, privileges, advantages or other accommodations to
the public.
Of course a business owner can still refuse service. but they are opening up themselves to hefty fines and as you stated, protests. I guess we will all just have to wait and see now in this case if the state decides to prosecute.
Jul 31, 2012
Just because other people told you things, that does not make it truth. A few hundred years ago, people "knew the truth" was that the world was flat and if you reached the horizon (you know that unreachable line where the sun rises and sets) that you would fall off the face of the earth. But there were a few that decided to see if it really was true and that found that it was completely false. And now we have this wonderful country where people like you continue to regurgitate "truths" they believed back when the world was flat. Have fun living in the 12th century. Don't forget when the scientist… I mean doctor, gives you a paper to sign that is called a DNR, just sign it.
Jul 31, 2012
Ruth, what is so hard to understand….gay people do not effect your life, they do you no harm. Why do you want to do them harm? Why spread intolerance and hate? If God truly feels that way, and which is something you could never know, than that still has nothing to do with you. I live two blocks from this bakery, and work across the street. If this man came in wearing a crucifix and I decided I wanted to refuse him service because he believes in Jesus, would you not believe that wrong? If that were happening everyone would be screaming about the war on religion. Discrimination in ANY form is WRONG. And EVIL. And if that is okay with your God, I will happily steer clear.
Jul 31, 2012
Ruth, there are how many other Gods out there, who are you tell millions of other people their God is a false God? How do you KNOW? Faith? Well what of their faith? Your relationship? What of theirs? You are but one one many but not all. Why should people suffer for your beliefs?
Jul 31, 2012
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Aug 1, 2012
God hates the sin not the sinner! John 3:16 For God so loved the world he gave his only son, who so ever believes in him will not parish but have eternal life.
Aug 1, 2012
God doesn't exist.
Aug 1, 2012
Hey Ruth….God doesn't like bigots.
Aug 2, 2012
Hey Jessica…God is love!!
Aug 2, 2012
LOL…talking to you makes my faith grow even stronger! PRAISE GOD!!!
Aug 2, 2012
Talking to you only confirms that the most religious are usually the most uneducated. Don't forget…when the time gets near, don't go asking those silly doctors and scientists to cure your ailments. Just pray them away.
Aug 2, 2012
Thats your come back…lol. You know NOTHING about how educated I am or not. But, It DOES NOT matter, I follow Jesus Christ and that IS what matters! Nothing you can say will ever, ever change that! When time gets near I pray I will see you in heaven!
Aug 2, 2012
You proved your idiocy by not knowing what causes sunsets, flowers, grass and babies. And don't worry, either way, you won't see me in heaven. I don't believe in religion, but I still know that!!! LOL
Aug 2, 2012
Ok Lauren, God created everything, so he is the one who causes sunset, flowers, grass and babies to work that way. God gives you the choice, to accept him or deny his name! Maybe someday you will come to relize:)
Aug 2, 2012
I told you already. God doesn't exist. Maybe someday you will come to realize =)
Aug 3, 2012
I have the right to buy from them and will be travling from Texas to buy a cake for a wedding for a man and woman. God bless this place for standing up to high morals.
Aug 3, 2012
To me, high morals involve not hating our neighbors. I can't believe a person would drive that far for hate.
Aug 6, 2012
The civil rights laws which prevent businesses from 'discriminating' should never have been passed. Anyone should have that right, if it hurts their business, so be it. But forcing people with laws is not the way a free society should work. These laws are counter to freedom. By the way, where are the protests over all-black organisations?
Aug 6, 2012
Lauren Jaye Siegel Loves the 'law' and covers herself it in, hypcritically. her same cherished 'law' is an outrage to her when it prevents gays from marrying. But here she's all 'its the law' . hypocrite.
Aug 6, 2012
In American the practice of gay marriage is illegal in many states. bravo to the law
Feb 3, 2013
Wow some one gets but hurt because they wont make a cake for them… WTF, Go elsewhere not that hard and its a private business…. GAYS you not special comparing your ideas to the civil rights movement is disgraceful in so many ways.
Feb 4, 2013
if they don't want to take care of peoples cake needs they need to stay of out the kitchen.