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More Americans Killed In Chicago Than In Afghanistan

Chicago's murder rate higher than Afganistan

Americans have a better chance of being killed in Chicago than U.S. troops do in Afghanistan, figures from the nation’s third-largest city show.

This year 228 Chicago residents have been killed, while the number of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan during the same period is 144, The Huffington Post reported.

The news comes amidst some bad PR for the Chicago Police Department—this month it assigned 100 officers to the wedding of the daughter of a White House adviser, Valerie Jarrett. The department has been proactive in trying to quell the violence, offering officers overtime pay for working their days off and deploying a large number of officers to high crime areas, like downtown where “mob-style” attack have occurred recently.

It’s not just this year that Chicago outpaced Afghanistan in terms of deaths by violence, either. Since 2001 more than 5,000 people have been killed by gunfire in Chicago, and during that same period 2,000 U.S. troops were killed in Afghanistan, Chicago’s WBEZ 91.5 reported.

The murder rate in Chicago is twice that of Los Angeles and four times higher than New York’s rate, and in recent weeks the Windy City has had some high-profile incidents. Warmer weather has brought a surge in gun violence, with more expected at the upcoming Puerto Rican Festival and the large crowds it draws, The Huffington Post reported.

Garry McCarthy, Chicago’s police superintendent, said the city’s rate is actually improving but that it deals with a “perception problem,” the Chicago Tribune reported. Chicago’s homicide statistics have actually improved in the past two years, he noted.

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57 Responses to “More Americans Killed In Chicago Than In Afghanistan”

  1. Anonymous

    The headline sounds OK, but the first sentence is very misleading. "Americans have a better chance of being killed in Chicago…" The article states that 228 Chicago residents have been killed while 144 troops have been killed in Afghanistan during the same period. The population of Chicago is almost 2.7 million while the number of troops in Afghanistan is only about 88,000. The number of troop deaths in Afghanistan, per capita, is substantially greater than the number of violent deaths in Chicago. Not only is the first sentence sensationalistic, it's just plain wrong.

  2. Harlan Murdoch

    You are 100 % correct ! This reporter should be tarred and feathered then released to the friggn wolves ! , what a fool

  3. Vlad Dobin

    The U.S. only occupies 25% of Afghanistan's land-mass. NATO/GIROA forces losing limbs and being killed is not taken into account. Not trying to be an asshole, just terribly, terribly offended.

  4. Donald Hamm

    I wonder how many Chicago residents triggered an IED while driving/walking this year? This premise of this article is ridiculous. It shows just how out of touch the media, and the American public are with both this war and the veterans of it.

  5. Tony Brown

    Man the white folks make the guns have guns stores so when is the law going to bring justice in America?

  6. Bob Goodfriend

    Incompetent statistics.
    # people in Chicago: very close to 10 million. # US troops in Afghanistan: about 100K.
    Therefore your odds of being murdered in Chicago are 1 in 44000…your odds of being a soldier dead in Afghanistanis worse than 1 in 1000.
    "Americans have a better chance of being killed in Chicago than U.S. troops do in Afghanistan" — This is why you are a journalist instead of a scientist.

  7. Yaw AP

    I bet by your analysis, it is right to say CHICAGO is a war zone, right?

  8. Jim Walker

    Who would've tought that more Americans died in CHICAGO "ILL" than American Soldiers in Trash-Cani-Stan in the last 10 years…..

  9. Paul Hyde

    But the troops aren't killing each other, so you'd have to factor in either A) The total number of combatants and count their fatalities too or B) The entire population of Afghanistan.

  10. Paul Hyde

    But the troops aren't killing each other, so you'd have to factor in either A) The total number of combatants and count their fatalities too or B) The entire population of Afghanistan.

  11. Loyal Walker

    Wow. You can't even get the population of Chicago right and people are buying what you are selling? Talk about the blind leading the blind.

  12. Loyal Walker

    Wow. You can't even get the population of Chicago right and people are buying what you are selling? Talk about the blind leading the blind.

  13. Loyal Walker

    Wow. You can't even get the population of Chicago right and people are buying what you are selling? Talk about the blind leading the blind.

  14. Connor Foley

    Interestingly enough there is tight gun control in chicago…

  15. Connor Foley

    Interestingly enough there is tight gun control in chicago…

  16. Connor Foley

    Interestingly enough there is tight gun control in chicago…

  17. Matthew Brown

    Chicago's population is actually less than 3 million. If you want to go into that though you can break it down by neighborhoods where the majority of the murders take place I'm sure that would drastically change your odds. The fact remains that Chicago's crime is an issue.

  18. Matthew Brown

    I do find it entertaining though that you accuse someone of incompetent statistics and be off on your population estimate by over 7 million.

  19. Matthew Brown

    Oh and one more thing and I'm done… It's kind of depressing that 15 people would like your status as fact when the US has a population of around 310 million people and that 10 million would be living in Chicago. I thought scientists should question everything and not just what they don't want to believe.

  20. Shane Wright

    Not to mention soldiers in iraq are high trained PROS with training to go into that nation with extremly advanced weapons and machines.

  21. Chaz Steinberg

    Bullshit argument. Indiana is literally right next to Chicago, and is not nearly as regulated.

  22. Shane Wright

    Your quest to skew facts i s like trying to tag every fish in the sea. Plus he said a fact, that's not throwing his gun laws down your throat.

  23. Jason Nemeth

    even if its 3 million his point stands. The headline is deliberately misleading.

  24. Michael Cruise

    People that don't understand statistics or how to interpret them but try to draw correlations like this are just about the most annoying people I encounter anymore. The average person in Chicago is not at high risk of being killed by gunfire. When you look at national statistics on gun violence based per capita, Chicago isn't even in the top 15 metropolitan areas. In fact, it is cities like New Orleans, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, Memphis, Baltimore and Richmond that actually lead the nation in deaths by guns per capita (per 100,000). The same is true with suicides committed by firearms…the cities that lead the nation in suicide by firearms per capita include Miami, Las Vegas, Jacksonville, Tampa, Louisville, Mesa, Kansas City and Austin. Those aren't cities known for having gun laws and yet they lead the nation in gun related homicides and suicides. In terms of overall numbers of gun related deaths, a city with a population of 12 million people is obviously going to have more in terms of overall numbers but may have far less per capita. The only accurate way to analyze the problems with gun related violence is to look at statistics based on per capita. To make the point clearer, New York City has 4.9 gun deaths per 100,000 population per year with a city population of 8 million people. In contrast, Memphis has 19.38 gun homicides per 100,000 population per year with a city population of just 652,000 people. Chicago has 16.4 gun homicides per 100,000 population per year with a population of 2.7 million people, putting it below the following cities (all of which have much smaller populations): Memphis (at 19.38), Detroit (47.5), Baltimore (29.5), New Orleans (27.7), Oakland (27.3), Kansas City (19.3), Philly (18.5), Cleveland (18.7).

    But an even more interesting and informative set of statistics look at gun homicide and gun-related violence and other crime rates per capita for each state. When you look at the United States as a whole. it is those states with the most lax gun laws that have the highest per capita gun homicide rates in the nation. The top 10 states are as follows:

    1. Louisiana
    2. Alaska
    3. Alabama
    4. Arizona
    5. Mississippi
    6. South Carolina
    7. New Mexico
    8. Missouri
    9. Arkansas
    10. Georgia

    Not a single one of the states in the top 10 list for highest rate of gun violence, gun-related crimes and gun homicides are states with any real gun laws. In fact, these states lead the nation with the most lax gun laws.

    Chicago has a problem but it's problem has to do with gangs in a concentrated and very poor area of the city. The vast majority of all seized guns related to crimes committed in Chicago (over 90%) came from outside of Chicago and the state of Illinois. In fact, seized guns could be traced to having an origin in every single state in the country, as well as Puerto Rico and Guam. The problem with having gun laws in one state or city but not the next is that there is not way to control or prevent guns from unregulated areas from making their way into areas that have laws. So the laws that a sporadic and arbitrary are pointless and nothing will improve unless the same laws are applied nationally.

  25. Michael Cruise

    Matthew Brown – yes it is an issue but not for the reasons some on this thread are asserting.

  26. Michael Cruise

    Matthew Brown – my numbers are correct and they lead to the same factual conclusion. Now that you have nothing to discredit, address the findings.

  27. Michael Cruise

    Matthew Brown – What the title says is misleading based on where the author attempts to lead us in the article. That matters. Stating that there were more deaths in Chicago than in Afghanistan tells us nothing. It's apples and oranges unless you have a common factual basis from which to analyze data.

  28. Michael Cruise

    Jason Nemeth – It's a headline tailor made for non-thinkers who are looking to have their beliefs and desires affirmed by someone with a platform. They care not about the veracity of the claims made, just that those claims support their desired objective.

  29. Michael Cruise

    You've gone so far off the reservation that it's pointless to even address your ridiculous comment beyond pointing out that it is ridiculous.

  30. Kurtis Nickel

    I live in Chicago and I don't know if you have ever been there, but it is very segregated and you know where and where not to go. Everything is divided up into neighborhoods and certain streets act as dividing lines

  31. Eric Trochta

    Brandon DuBois… "it's likely that gun control measures are more readily enacted in states with few gun owners — a factor that might have more influence on gun deaths than the number of laws." Also, "gun deaths/suicides" & "murders" can't be thrown together as "crime". Take away the guns, they'll use a bat js

  32. Eric Trochta

    First of all, the 10 "lax" gun law states you mentioned probably have more guns, per capita, than Chicago or New York…FACT. Secondly, your last paragraph proves that banning certain firearms will only cause the black market to flare, as its done with drugs. And lastly, you could take away every firearm in the World and you would still have as many murders/violent crimes. We are the ones responsible for committing heinous acts, not some inanimate object.

  33. George Westlie

    Hah, what's considered "good" time in prison? not shanking the guards for a week or not arranging a hit on the warden's family member? Yeah, they are all so compasionate and "good" huh? Execute em all.

  34. Paula Duggan

    The politicians,friends donors all have permits.

    Chicago where you and I can't get a permit>Dec 6, 2012 – Chicago State Sen. Donne Trotter was arrested Wednesday on felony gun charges after he was caught with an unloaded handgun and a

    LA Baca gun permits for gifts report highlights pattern

    If it's so safe why do they need them?

  35. Paula Duggan

    Andrew Bosma The politicians,friends donors all have permits.

    Chicago where you and I can't get a permit>Dec 6, 2012 – Chicago State Sen. Donne Trotter was arrested Wednesday on felony gun charges after he was caught with an unloaded handgun and a

    LA Baca gun permits for gifts report highlights pattern

    If it's so safe why do they need them?

  36. Miller Cary

    brandon, your survey only looked at gun deaths, not all violence. unless nobody cares about other means of death, then you are the one perpetuating skewed and misleading information.