Uh oh.
Morgan Freeman- best known as the voice of pretty much everyone important ever in every film in the past decade or two- is out promoting his newest film, the Ashley Judd and Harry Connick, Jr. sap-fest, Dolphin Tale. The film seems to center around a dolphin that lost its fin, or something- normally a fatal condition for a dolphin, apparently- and the efforts of a little boy to replace the creature’s fin. Morgan Freeman plays the crotchety but fair old doctor who initially balks at the suggestions, but ends up replacing the fin and everything goes better than expected.
The film is probably not attracting film-goers with edgy tastes, and Freeman has gone and probably done what every studio dreads when a big star is out promoting a film- he’s alienated a lot of the audience. Freeman was promoting the film on CNN’s Piers Morgan when the conversation turned to the political climate. And the gravelly-voiced actor didn’t mince words when describing the Tea Party’s agenda:
“[The Tea Party's] stated policy, publicly stated, is to do whatever it takes to see to it that Obama only serves one term term. What’s, what does that, what underlines that? Screw the country. We’re going to do whatever we do to get this black man, we can, we’re going to do whatever we can to get this black man outta here.”
While many Americans were probably shouting, “go Morgan!” from their couches, several have taken offense to Freeman’s commentary. One notable liberal dissenter was Alec Baldwin, who said the Tea Party took issue with Obama’s character and policies, not his race. (Respectfully, Mr. Baldwin, have you seen some of their signs?)
Freeman has yet to respond to the backlash. Do you find his assessment on point, or was Freeman himself reflecting racial bias in his statement?
It's on point. The Tea Party have many unfounded criticisms of Barack Obama, and their rallies have been racist, but the ones that are most poignant certainly could have been pointed at Bush. Not one month after Obama was inaugurated did these dimwitted scumbags start their "parties". What did Obama do in the short time between being elected and inaugurated and the month after that? Stay black, I guess. Where was the outrage against Bush and the Rubber Stamp Congress of 2001-2007 for all of their spending (unfounded spending, at that)? Guess these idiots didn't care about their kids and grandkids until a black man came into office. It's the clear hypocrisy and hyperbole they use in describing Obama that underlines how racist they really are.
It would be so nice if, for once, race would not be a factor. He is right and they really don't seem to hide it. I have been a victim of this twice this week. Believe me it affects all.
You know, I really like Morgan Freeman but, wtf? I don't have a problem with President Obama's race, just his stupidity and his obvious inability to run this country. I feel that, if Obama gets another term, the United States may as well just give it up as lost. Most people I have talked to that dislike Obama do so for the same reasons as I do, not racial ones…..
The 1st one. Unfortunately, Mr. Morgan did not let him elaborate on it. As he often does, he asked the question, then changed the subject. He is good at interjecting.
absolutely agree!
Frank, which one of these rallies have you attended that were racist? Do you have pictures, video, audio or just your perception of racism? I am not a fan of Bush and his lack of use of the VETO, not a fan of Obama and his spend, spend and then when that doesn't work let's spend some more on those "shovel ready" projects again. He is very good at regurgitating the same old "stuff". Has nothing to do with what color the man is, he is incompetent. Bush was incompetent. Clinton is the least repugnant president of my lifetime, and he is a pig. The pattern here being, politicians are for the most part, not worth a damn.
So true Mr. Morgan Hell there was no damn Tea Party when Bush gave the wealthiest of americans tax cuts, nor when helied us into the war in Iraq.
I was happy that a black man got into office though would be nice to see a women in there. However If they work against the country instead of for it it doesn't matter what sex or race they are. Any race or sex should have the opertunity as long as they really want to help america not just their party or themselves. If the only reason they want him out is cause of race then I think that's just wrong however I don't think that is the case here. I would be glad if he has to leave office but maybe another man or women of any race including black can take his place and do a better job. I think it's possible though that whoever is in the seat next will do worse and things are already bad enough.
On point.
Koch brothers and their willfully ignorant drones. That is all.
I agree
Morgan Freeman used to be a great actor but now that he is putting his lies on the front burner against the Tea Party and saying they are trying to get this black man (obambado) out of office, he has stepped over the lines and will never be my hero of the movies anymore. He uses lies and hatred to get a point across that he can not get across unless some fireworks are used and using racial lies about the TEA PARTY is not going to get the job done. Morgan, you idiot you should have just stuck to movies and left the trashing of the TEA PARTY to other progressive liberals. No longer are you one of my favorite hero's.
the remarks of Mr. Freeman come from a man that only sees color in his remarks. he can not see what Obama and his connies are doing to this country. the Tea Party is not raceist. They are a lot of people that are sick and tired of having thier jobs, homes, life saving taken from them. They see what four more years of this type of economic assination by Obams will do to this country. Elderly people are already feeling the effects of his health bill. They are bing forced out of their current coverage and forced to pay hight deduction on medication and office visits. We are loosing more and more jobs , And this type of remarks by obama and Mr. Freeman is encreasing the space between the races, Obama has been in office almost three years, during that time he has increased this nation debt more than all the previous Presidents combined have ever done. This nation is tired of hearing Obama place blame of the economie on President Bush. What else does someone that refuses to accept blame for his own actions do. They always want to blame someone else for this incompetence. If you really want this nation to come together stop all the name calling, because all that gets you is more of the same. Work for a better nation threw understanding and education. Education with the truth, not twisted lies. So if you want to preach hate and lies, you will reap what you soe.
It isn't that Barack Obama can't be questioned. I question him all the time. I pretty much hate his guts as a liberal and a black man and will never vote for him again, because he's worthless, as nice as he tries to act. He's done some absurd backflips towards a GOP who has been 100% irrational (as opposed to their typical 95% irrationality). He has thrown the American people under the bus to appease the GOP and Wall Street, and yet, magically, this still hasn't improved the situation in this country. Obama's absurdity generally has nothing to do with his race, but the Tea Party initially injected race into their message, those who claim to speak for them continue that line of thinking, and their supporters in the GOP establishment share their racist views along with genuine disgust of the middle class and the working class.
The timing of their formation is probably the most suspect thing about them. They are an ignorant group, overall, though. They think taxes have been raised when they have been lowered on everybody, the lowest they've been in 60 years, lowered on businesses, and no subsidies have been stripped away, even from companies that are the most profitable on the planet and don't need gov't taxpayer help. Like them, I don't 100% trust my gov't either, but I understand why we need one and I want it do what it's there to do. Unlike them, I am not backed by corporations to get my message out there. They are racists and frauds; nothing more than recycled Republican backwash.
Love Freeman and Baldwin, but Baldwin's wrong here. Obama should be challenged on his policies IN AN HONEST WAY – not by lying as the Tea Party has done nor by diminishing him through racially charged rhetoric. The Tea Party is not capable of this.
I couldn't agree with Morgan Freeman more. There's only one explanation for the foolishness that I've witnessed in Washington during the past year. If the "obstructionists" Tea Party movement were trying to solve or provide real solutions for all Americans, I might doubt Mr. Freeman's statement. Patriotism "used" to be loving America and helping our citizens who are less fortunate. I'm truly ashamed of the disrespect that this President has been shown, demonstrated at his very first State of the Union address. I believe there are a lot of "closet" racists who try to justify their bad behavior. I hope the majority of America's voters who believe in truth and justice stand up against this ugly show of racism. President Obama deserves our support and respect.
I use to be a fan of Mr. Freeman, but due to his twisted remarks and name calling I will never see another movie of his on the screen or reruns on T.V. It is a shame that he has decided to resort to this type of racial devission. I for years have enjoyed his performanes on the screen, I have listend to his logical statements which has shown his liberal thought, but I alwasy thought he was above the name calling. I guess I was wrong. I am sorry that you have stupped so low, that you have resorted to this type of behavior.
Damn, what a shame. And I really thought a lot of Morgan Freeman, too. HIS racist comments toward the Tea Party stirring trouble, as have the rest of liberaldom, these past months. WHY can they not understand that IDIOCY comes in every color? I, like so many other voters were thrilled to see a [half]black candidate, and yet..three months after the election he's turning his back on America, lying to the middle class..the working class. This moron will go down in history as one of the most disliked presidents ever. Hopefully the fact that he was the first bi-racial President.
will be secondary. Good-bye, Mr. Freeman. You goofed, big-time!
Only dumb people would not understand the politics of the Tea Party. They do not have any respect for the President. Black America have had many Presidents before Obama, and no one has ever disrespected them, especially Black America.
Its people like you that the Tea Party is playing up to…check your fears and wonder why?
When you can stand up and tell Fox and friends including Alex Baldwin that to disrespect the President of the Unite States of America is wrong, regardless of his skin color, then you can utter your ignorant comments.
Well if u c run this country better why dont u run for presidency!!!!! Then we will see who has more stupidity and who is more inabiliy to run it!!!
Hun, Im sorry but as sad as this is race will always be a factor…..i wish it wasnt either….
Melissa Brown First I would begin to speak grammatically well before responding to my piers; then I would be as fair to all people . I suggest that you read your history before falling prey to dumb people. Think for yourself.
Think there are people in the Tea Party who have legitimate, philosophical differences with the President, but the train has definitely been hijacked by the kooks. And, it appears, that intellectual discourse just doesn't pull ratings like a group of jackasses does. Perfect example: who had ever heard of a "Debt Ceiling" before this year?
Beverley ,Fox and Alex Balddwin are only presenting the true fact. It is a shame that The President has chosen to ignore the will of the people, and he uses race to devide the people of this nation. Jimmy carter showed how he was incompetent for the office of President, and the people of this nation voted him out. but he did not use race as a excuse for his incompetence. and if you think he is doing such a good job. Go help those 1300 people that just lost their job in Calf. and ask them who got the Half Billion dollars. It was the people that gave money to Obama election. That is not a lie, it is the truth. if you can not stand the truth, turn of Fox News. because that is were you are going to hear it. You can always look at MSNBC. they will twist and turn the truth to suit you. Have a nice day.
If Obama wasn't black more people would see the real issues at stake.
Michael Alexander Please do not twist the facts. The President took over a disfunctional office, and he is trying to clean the mess up. Every single American is hurting. Read the facts and understand that the wars Bush dragged us into was not paid for and the Republicans did not even bother to accuse Bush of this. Then, we all saw what happened to the Stock Market, and you want this President to become the Miracle worker??? What I do notice is that when White America's pocket is overflowing, this current President will be the best person GOD has placed upon this earth. Remember we are all in the same boat, and instead of us trying to blame him for the mess, we should stop those in Congress and the Tea Party from obstructing progress.
Mr. Freeman didn't lie, he spoke the truth: tea party have said that their one goal is to make President Obama fail. That's not Morgan Freeman's idea, it is what the tea party people have stated. The underlying racism in the tea party is obvious, anyone who doesn't see it, is in denial.
Mr Michael Alexander: : Go to any Teaparty blog and see the many rascist remarks are made. Ive seen pictures of the Obamas represented as monkeys, banana remarks, nappy remarks…pure bigotry….And you know it, you are probably smirking right now I totally agree with Morgan Freeman and for having the guts to say what he thinks (as do your fellow TPers) Why even call them Tea Party , they should have named themselves"Haters against Obama" Its no secret what their agenda is and quite honestly, I thought that in the 2008, that racial hatred would be minimal, but since President Obama became president, Ii is just as bad as the sixties. Do youu think he gives a crap.if you dont see his movies…
Michael Alexander The will of the American people is greater than the will of individuals, and time and again we have agreed as a majority with the basic tenets of president Obama's policy. Most of us agree that we cannot simply throw out all government programs to get out of debt, most of us agree that taxes should be progressively distributed across economic strata, most of us agree that clean air and water are valuable assets, and most of us agree that our survival as a nation depends on working together. Is Obama non-racial? Of course not! But he does not use it as a weapon constantly as you would like to believe. He has to acknowledge his race because it is a part of his identity in the eyes of the public. Asking him to not acknowledge that people have treated him differently because he is black (Kenya? Really?) is like expecting a woman to not acknowledge when she is paid less because of her gender, or asking a conservative not to acknowledge when they are unfairly judged for their party identity. It's silly. Who we are as individuals is influenced by race, religion, gender, disability, income, and a whole host of other characteristics.
As for Fox? Fox is no more a beacon of truth than MSNBC or CNN. They are all out for profit, which means they tell stories that will sell. Nobody is going to react to the story of 'Congress and the President disagree on fiscal policy in the long run'- but everyone pays attention when the story is 'Congress and the President fight for the soul of our country'. The difference is, the first can be proven with fact- the second is a matter of opinion. All news outlets offer these days are opinions, and I can develop my own.
Pres has been blocked at every move, and "opps here comes the Bush card" He was left a gigantic mess by his predecessor as you know…
Beverley Gomes You mean "peers".
He has done a great job running this country; he has done more in 2-3 yrs than all of the past 3 Presidents did in 4+ years of their terms(research it); and he did it in the midst of an economic crisis, two wars, and racist haters like you. Just thought I would speak up like Mr. Freeman. Too many of us would just prefer to be silent. Too many stay quiet when it comes to hate and racism; and to me that is what's indecent!!
Playing the race card is hateful, ignorant, or both. Looks like Morgan Freeman has joined with the majority in Hollywood. Those who still believe that Obama is doing a good job had better read and understand their Constitution and then perhaps go to go to Cloward and Piven next. Obama is a poor soul who from childhood up to the presidency was exposed to Communist and Progressive teachings and knows nothing else.
Beverley Gomes, It is a shame that we went to war. but we were attacted by a group of terriorest. We lost thousands of American Citizens. but I guess that does not matter to youand yes I know the fact. it is a shame that you don't. And sence when did Name calling solve anything. if you condem name calling , I feel for you. Because you have a lot to learn about people.
Here we go. Playing the communist card, the Hollywood card as well as the race card. Did I mention the ignorance card? Sounds like a Faux News zombie to me.
Morgan Freeman is a very intelligent man who speaks the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth! Frankly, the Tea Party has been so wide-open and blatant about their agenda, I think your question was not a question at all but just stating the obvious!
Beverley Gomes How stupid can you get. Look past the color of the skin and stop making something racists when it has nothing to do with the skin color. I am not a tea party member but they are standing for some very good principles. You can not spend more than you take in regardless of being a govt. or an individual. When you give things to people they only learn to want more given and not to go out and earn it. I certainly hope the nation does not look at this the way this joker does , actor, and we do need a change in the president and also change all the congressman and senators who have been there for more than 12 years. New blood needed.
How you reich wingers love to project.
And where did you get all that nonsense, Guy? Faux News? Hate radio? It sounds like the garbage they spew 24/7.
Good thing the Tea Party is no longer the majority in this country! Or he may not have won, Huh? LOL!!!!
Morgan is stupid and I feel sorry for him and all that think this is about color. Just an excuss to use for people not liking the failed policy of the present administration.
Good lord, what a load of crap. Step away from the computer your ignorance is showing. You should not be allowed to vote if you're that dumb.
The Tea Party puts the "t" in "racist".
Aw!! Poor Academy Award winning Morgan Freeman! Im sure he'll be devastated!!!
Beverley Gomes Are you dreaming or what? Are you telling me that black people respected President Bush? Where were you when they were crying in the streets for his head? Where you living in another country where TV's were not allowed? As for the Tea Party, you have evidently not seen them out in the streets or at gatherings at political rallies. You use the word dumb as if you think you are the only one who is smart in this country.
See what I dont understand ppl put these presidents in the white house and when they do something they dont agree with people want to bitch and complain….
President Obama has shown foresight into America's problems and has well thought out plans for effective solutions. Bush got us into this mess. It's going to take time to correct some of his wasteful spending. President Obama has acted in good faith and with much dignity as an American. Then there are those who continually place roadblocks that inhibit progress and actually harm America. You tell me which demonstrates patriotism or the "hate" that fuels racism with no regard for America or its great citizens?
Eldon Miller if President Obama wasn't black the republican Congress would work with him.
Beverley Gomes I think Melissa was taking up for Obama Be, regarding Michelle's statements. Right Melissa?
Brenda Akers Have you actually ever been to a Tea Party rally? Maybe you were told by some who knew someone who was told by someone else about what was happening at one. There are some loonies in every part of America but that does not mean that all Tea Party people are like that. One in every two hundred means someone has slipped in with a hatred sign and the TV crews flock on this one individual instead of the real Tea Party crowd. Freeman is the racist here my dear no matter hard you want to pass the buck. You might as well let it go and accept what is happening is he messed up and that is that.
Beverley Gomes, I believe that Melissa Brown was directing her initial comment to Michelle Walker, not you… and of course race is a factor, it's a factor in most of American life and society, and Mr. Freeman has the stones to say so. Kudos to him for that – but the fact is, he's made his pile already, and there's only so much hurt the racist backlash can do to him. We proles, on the other hand, would do far better not to fight among ourselves! Because the unspoken truth of American racism is, it's NOT ABOUT RACE. It's about money. Even if you happen to be caucasian… if you fall below a certain economic threshold/standard, you're a nigger, too. The fiction that you're not keeps the "useful idiots stirred up and at each others throats while the oligarchs and plutocrats sit back and laugh… and stay on top.
I am so Proud of Morgan! I jsut hope he doesn't start back-pedaling! But anyway, Why can't Morgan and any other American state their opinon? The Tea Party has said their own opinion on wide variety of things that I've felt were Offensive! But I will fight for their right to say whatever they want to say! That's what America's supposed to be about!
First, I'd like for you to explain how you came to the conclusion that President Obama is "stupid"? You couldn't be further from the truth. President Obama has demonstrated by his actions, his clear and insightful communications, and his past accomplishments that he is a genius compared to Bush. Please clarify your statements so that I have a better understanding of your definition of "stupid".
People seriously! If you try and make change and everytime you try to implement change its blocked what else can you do. You make it seem like the President is the all knowing and what he says goes, but it really doesn't work this way. He has tried to make change and he is opposed everytime. I don't like throwing the race card out, but it seems like that is what the problem is. There has been so much controversy since he has took office that no other President has had to deal with. His Birth certificate, his college transcripts, pulling the Troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, health care, etc. My God how many other Presidents have had this much controversy? Don't worry I will wait! This is my point of the whole thing and its not about race, religion or sex. When did the Republican, Democratic, Independent or any party become bigger than the United States of America. I don't care about nothing else but the state of our union and all of you should care about the same thing. Other countries are kicking our butt because we are worried about all the wrong things. People (white, black, hispanic or any other nationality) if you consider yourself to be an American act like it and support the people you put in office. But you can not put the pressure of years of political leaders on one man. You asked for change he tried but it takes more than just him. Come on Americans pull it together and stop worrying about who is in office and his color, in the end the color that's suffering is the red, white and blue.
Everyone needs to watch this.
http://ht.cdn.turner.com/cnn/big/politics/2011/09/23/ac-kth-do-nothing-congress.cnn.ipad.qtref.mov
Beverley Gomes –I believe Melissa Brown was speaking to Michelle Walker. While just being able to run the country better does not mean a person can actually become president, nothing in her comment reflected a lack of reading history, falling prey to dumb people or not thinking for herself.
" to disrespect the President of the Unite States of America is wrong"
Did you take that stance when so many were disrespecting George W. Bush???
Just because someone doesn't like Obama's policies doesn't make them racist. There are plenty of white policitians whose policies I don't like.
I support the Tea Party and my choice for the Republican candidate is Herman Cain. Not because he is or isn't black, but because he's a business man, not a career politician. He's smart and straight-talking. Oh, he also disagrees with Obama's policies and thinks he's doing a bad job – is he racist????
Jan Lacy Yeah, I'm sure Mr. Freeman will lose tons of sleep because some have chosen to disown him as their favorite actor LOL! I know I wouldn't! Especially a bunch of bigoted fans…who needs 'em?
Beverley Gomes Did you read what YOU just posted? Talking about someone speaking grammatically before responding to THIER PIERS? Maybe you need to look at yourself before getting onto some else about what they think. Just how far up the ladder are you? Watch out if you are way up there because it is a long way down to the bottom, just sayin. Or maybe you are using spell check and dictionary before inserting your comments, just sayin again.
Agreed and either way when the next president comes by no garentee they won't be worse weather it's sooner or later.
Jack L Naylor u couldn't be more wring…
Tim Hall B.S. Race is not the issue. His bandaid fixes are the issue. Fix the root problem–don't just put a bandaid on it. His trillion dollar stimulus did nothing but devalue the American dollar.
how ever I don't feel comfortable with the idea of him continueing to be president. Though I'm not incuraged by what I've heard of at least 2 of the other canadates. This post was actually in response to what was shown above where Morgan freeman was trying to say that the tea party's view was this “[The Tea Party's] stated policy, publicly stated, is to do whatever it takes to see to it that Obama only serves on term term. What’s, what does that, what underlines that? Screw the country. We’re going to do whatever we do to get this black man, we can, we’re going to do whatever we can to get this black man outta here.” I don't believe that above is a quote from the page. Sure some people are still blind and judge by race or sex but to say the hole party wants him out only cause of race is a bit much. Some maybe but not all
Jan Lacy Yeah, the haters aren't in charge!
Cheryl Bianchi …or wrong too
I am definitely in the "Go Morgan" crowd.
Jack L Naylor I agree with Morgan Freeman, he only shared the truth.
Call me an optimist, but I personally don't feel that ALL Tea Party activists are racists. However, there is DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT a huge portion of them that are, and many of them don't even try to hide it. What amazes me is how belligerent, angry, and uncompassionate most of these "teapartiers" act. Also, so many of them insist on voting against their own economic self interest. NEWSFLASH: If you are a poor, semi-literate, backwoods racist, why the heck do you get so worked up about protecting taxcuts and tax loopholes for the super wealthy and for large corporations? If the wealthy elite of our country actually cared about the common man, they wouldn't be funding politicians who want to take away collective bargaining rights. Wake up Jethro!
Beverley Gomes …I agree…but that is peers
The Ironic thing is that it refers to "black tea" *snicker*
Jan Briney …no it's the republican obstructionism and their purposeful crippling of the American economy that is the problem. They would rather see this country fail than Obama succeed.
Beverley Gomes …the word is "peers"…unless you think our semi-literate friend is speaking to docks in the water. And "grammatically well?" Really?
Cast not the first stone.
Good Grief! Everyone in this country now KNOWS 9-11 wasn't about IRAQ! THAT was a BUSH OIL AGENDA! Quit living the lie.
Jan Briney B.S. if race isn't an issue why didn't the tea party speak out aganist George Bush?Why were there not signs with I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK? In the pass when a president win the people get behind him, the republcans have fought President Obama tooth and nail.
yes, Cynthia I was…he is our president who deserves repsect and support.
Unfortunately, Beverley, there are a lot of stupid people in this country…whether that stupidity is due to genetics or it is due to them putting themselves into a state of self-enforced stupidity…there are large numbers. Notice that most of this comes from conservative areas where education is not a priority.
I'd like this twice, if I could. Well said.
Jan Briney I am so sick of repubs saying the stimulus didn't work. A third of the stimulus was tax cuts. GOP solution to the economy? TAX CUTS! Another GOP solution? DEREGULATION…which is what got us in this mess in the first place. If we didn't have the f..king GOP obstructing EVERYTHING the POTUS is trying to do our country would be out of the BUSH RECESSION. Please, you zombie teabaggers…wake up.
I would agree to an extent Steven. I would just like to see the president show some backbone and not cave in at the 11th hour (or at 1 o'Clock for that matter). The problem is that Obama is not a strong leader. We need a strong leader….one that will stand up for the people and will actually stick to his guns despite the political pressures. Obama is a great talker but weak on action.
Then why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia? Most of the hijackers were Saudis.
Also…why did we attack Iraq? They had nothing to do with 9/11.
Melissa Brown I got that you were replying to the OP…but the confusion arose because you expressed yourself in "textese." Slow down and use all your words, and people might understand what you really mean more easily.
Eric Roberts you have the progressive agenda down to a tee. I commend you on this. Check.
THANKFULLY! SOMEONE IS SPEAKING UP! – THAT TEA PARTY GANG – is totally RACIST, UN-AMERICAN, (and though they CLAIM to be so)— completely and totally UN – CHRISTIAN….Or if you you will UN- CHRIST LIKE… He came to heal and to SAVE, these people are doing NOTHING BUT DESTROYING this Country.. THANK- YOU MR. FREEMAN. I can't WAIT TO SEE DOLPHIN TALE!
Eric Roberts I agree with you to some extent also, but all we can do is speculate that he is not standing strong. Prime example, when he was fighting to get the money for the budget so we didn't go into default. He had to bend in order to get it passed so that the country would not go into default. He had to come up with a plan to please everybody. If the country would have went into default he surely would have went down as the worse president in history. Just keep in mind that the outcome of certain situations might not go the way we expect, but it also doesn't mean he is just laying down and taking it. I beleive he stands strong on alot of things we just don't see it.
Eric Roberts I think your assessment is lacking. It takes more than one man to run the country…the Tea Party should be renamed the Timothy McVeigh Party as it seems many of their members have the same mindset and look like neo-nazi skinheads coming out of the woodwork. They want to take back our country? Yeah, they do. Back to a day that was less tolerant, less humane (did you hear that cheering in the audiences?) and a much less democratic union of all peoples. Obama needs our help as he attempts to do the right thing for all of us. Make Congress hear us! We Are The People!
Right on, Sista!
Eric Roberts That sure would have had been more justifiable huh? But, Bush said he had a score to settle with Saddam "He tried to kill my daddy!" I believe is what Bush said.And, we wouldn't have control of Iraq's oilfields now would we?
Brenda Balin I think we all get in a hurry and make mistakes especially when it's something we really care about
So AGREED! Let "em die, cheering for executions, wanting to cut the benefits of the elderly, the disabled, the poor and the homeless.People who have almost nothing and they want to take that from them too? They do their dirt and sit in the pew on Sunday? Don't want to be those hypocrites on judgement day!
Cynthia Sue Ralls ..sry bt i thnk eng is gng dn th toobs. srsly.
Wayne Everett Foster I agree that there may be some who don't share their racist views but ya know what they say, Lie down with Dogs, Get up with Fleas
Mr. Freeman is right, Can you name any president in America who was forced to show his birt cert? Did that have anything to do with his policy? Wake up people '' smell the coffee not the tea'' Why wasn't a teaparty formed when bush was in office , if it was about policy. Now the teabaggers take offence , they are cowards who can give it but not take it. Remember all the signs, at the teabagger rallies. All the right wing loons will be out tomorrow. they are so weak , like the big bully , who you punch in the stomach , because you have had enough of him '' what's he do'' runs home to mommy and says you were picking on him''. I am glad Mr. Freeman you punch them in the stomach , to bad the truth hurts. Its not his policy it is his race , that these low lifes can stand.
Apparently, you don't like logic & common sense which is about the ONLY thing Obama is trying to push! ANYONE can make up a sentence that makes it appear that he isn't doing a good job, but you cannot spell out specifics without being WRONG or RACIST
Jan Briney Obama has to swim UPSTREAM AGAINST the tide to get ANYTHING accomplished and YOU want him to fix the "root" problems? OBSTRUCTIONISTS would have to be GONE first!
I am sure the Tea Party knows they are Racist, this is not new news to them. They call the President weak, but a President can only do so much. Every Policy he has sent them to help the economy they rejected because they have said helping the economy would be helping the President and they have also said their first and most important thing was to defeat the President. They do not care if it is hurting America in the process and they said this from the first month he became President. So, it is not about policy, it is about Race and they should stand up for their belief and admit it. Most Racist are too coward to admit they are Racist and that is a shame within it self, modern day Racists no longer wear the sheet and cover over their face, they just tell you the person they are showing racism for is weak, and they do not support anything the person does, making them weak by voting down any and everything he does to try and help Americans. They even vote their own policies down when he present those polices. Anything to keep the economy down as long as he is in office, because they know this will hurt him at election time. Amricans be dam as far as they are concerned as long as they can get this black man out of their white house.
I don't know if tea baggers as a group are racist. But the ones I know who are, are. Of all the repubs I know in this state (Texas), most use the n word. I rarely, if ever, hear it among my liberal friends. They, the republicans, have a code word. As in, there were too many dems in that bar-"dems" meaning blacks. "Canadians" is another code word, mostly for non-white immigrants or blacks (not actual Canadians). I like Mr. Baldwin, often agree with him, by I'm going to see the dolphin movie. It was just pointed out how much screwed up my post. Multi-tasking football watching and typing and imbibing isn't a good idea.
being black is no excuse for being a bad president.
no more than being white dose.
Thank you for alerting me to my post. I didn't write clearly. I wish there were an edit function, so I copy/deleted/corrected it.
you know not whereof you speak….'racism'???…you haven't a cloo….jeezzz
LOL Black Pekoe. Nice.
Why do so many people currently think that they are sooooo smart and that whatever anyone else says is wrong and/or stupid? We are all given a mind to be used for some purpose. People learn things by educating themselves and by the experiences they have. I personally think that Morgan Freeman has enough experience in racism to be considered somewhat of an expert. His age and the fact that he is from one of the most (if not the most) racist states in the history of our country probably qualify him as an expert. With that, one should believe that when he made his comments, he probably sees something that others who have NOT experienced as much racism see. I personally have witnessed racism MANY times in my life, but nowhere near the extent of a black man from Mississippi who grew up during the peak of the civil rights struggle. However, now I generally can tell when someone is racist or has racist tendencies. Personally I brush it off most of the time but, when someone or some group constantly act in that manner that gives me that feeling that only racism gives, I want to do the same thing he did…put it out for the WHOLE world to hear. Morgan Freeman has every right to speak his mind and share how he feels. The fact that he is a successful actor only means that he is a successful actor…not that he can't use his first amendment rights. I think our Nation's real problem is ARROGANCE! The most successful humans in the known history of the world have been successful for one simple reason…THEY SURROUND THEMSELVES WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE SMARTER THAN THEM! There is not a single person on this planet that knows everything! Someone is even currently proving Einstein wrong. By the way, when saying that you dislike a President for his policy, it might be taken better if you say what policy…you can't possibly HATE everything that has become policy because BOTH sides have gotten some of their agenda through.
Steven, I would agree with you if he had actually been trying to make substantial change. He has been the status quo, for the most part, and in some cases, getting conservative garbage passed that even George W. Bush couldn't do. He is blocked and obstructed, quite often, and usually by the people he has been capitulating to or acquiescing to the whole time, but not because he is bringing "change". It is because they don't want him to be successful, period. It has, at least in part, something to do with race, but I doubt very much that it has to do with "change" as it was presented and discussed at length prior to the 2008 election.
Brenda Balin Definitely! LOL!
WOW! Surprised you didn't get more takers with this observation! LOL!
Which BTW I find to be pretty much TRUE!
Cynthia Sue Ralls The last thing any TEA Party participant would want to do is take something from another individual. They just want liberty. The public sector is too large. Power has been consolidated. Tyranny abounds. Localize it. We should all try to understand each other.
William Kent Hmmm…yeah, I wasn't too happy when BUSH LIED TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY and then sent a bunch of our kids to kill a bunch of other kids with many of ours being killed as well. Why don't all these damned old men get in a room by themselves and kill each other off? I like that option much better than sending our children there to die for them for NO DAMNED GOOD REASON! No Blood For Oil! Get over your self! There's a huge difference between a war criminal and a black president!
It's just like that idiot Andrew Breitbart that tried to sully the Obama Administration by trying to "out" Shirley Sherrood of the Dept. of Ag as a racist, when if viewed in context, the video would have proven otherwise. Then, that creep tried to backtrack when everybody started asking him questions like why did you try to pass this off as something it wasn't? The Obama Administration failed Sherrod on that incident, once again, caving to whatever pressure they think might be on them by people that don't like them anyway. Lightweights. It is both the Obama Administration's lackings in leadership and the idiocy of the right-wing that let's the stupidity and absurdity out there continue to engulf this nation in the mess that it continues to be in. No change here, sorry.
Agreed Ruth! So very well said! Thank you!
Mark: I am re-reading your post and I think it was me, actually LOL! It made sense the 3rd time I read it! Sorry!
Cynthia, you left out booing a soldier who is currently in Iraq just because he is gay.
Beverley Gomes There has been no progress since Clinton was in office!
I absolutely agree with you Frank, but please don't give up on the president , he is the best man for the the job and he cannot do it all alone , he needs the house , needs the senate, and most of all he needs the people behind him.
Mark Virovatz I think it was me, actually! Sorry
The way I see it not every member of the tea party is a racist. But if you are a racist you will fit right in with the tea party. It is sort of like saying the Arian Brotherhood is just sticking up for the rights of White people. They may have some legitimate complaints but in the end the hatred so outweighs anything that is reality based that nobody takes them seriously. Well nobody with an IQ above 95 anyway.
why did we interfear in Libia. Tell me that. we had no business there.
You are 100% right!! I would vote for Herman Cain in a heart beat!! Everyone that doesn't agree with Obama is NOT a Racist.I am sick of hearing that excuse!!
William Kent I think you really missed Eric's point.
Carol Smith THAT isn't what's being said. This thread is about the Tea Party.
Eric Roberts Yeah, I remembered after I posted…sorry. How totally disrespectful to someone putting their life on the line and the "candidates said nothing to put those traitors in check.
Mr. Kent, he was asked for his opinion and he gave it. You may not like his opinion, but he's entitled to his opinion. We're all entitled to have independent thoughts and opinions, aren't we?
Paul Adamson — Unsupported accusations? Are you joking? Have you ever SEEN a tea bagger rally? What threw you off, the blatantly racist signs, uncanny ignorance, or the baseless anger and vitriol? Morgan got it right, and so did Sandra. The Tea Party is the most cowardly, unpatriotic political group I've ever heard of in America.
GO MORGAN!
I'm always happy to see people calling it what it is.
The Tea Party is racist.
Where was the Tea Party for all the War protests?
Where was the Tea Party when Rosa Parks go arrested.
Where is the Tea Party for all the Wall Street protests?
Excellent post Kristy!
Beverley you need to look back , when Bush was trying to defend this nation . The Dems were constantly making remarks about him personaly. Oh yes the Dems went along with him when he went before them to get permission to attack Afganistan. and iraq. Oh i don't remember obama going before the House and Senate to get permission before he put us into the Libian war. OH he doen't right. He is the Man. .right
Right on to Morgan Freeman, for not being afraid to speak the truth about the low-life racist Tea-Party. I personally wish those bastards (Tea-Party) would go crawl back under the rock that they came from.
Bumpkin Bummah — Yes, respect. President Obama has more than earned it. You don't have to agree with everything he's done, but in all matters he has displayed intelligence, dignity and real compassion. He's fought hard battles, not because it was the popular thing to do, but because it was the right thing to do. Respect? You're damn right he deserves it. But the GOP has been on a crusade since 2008 to discredit Obama with fear, lies, and misdirection.
While the President was rescuing the economy, tea baggers were wailing, "where's the birth certificate?" While the President was repairing a broken health care system, the tea baggers were screaming, "socialist!". While the President was taking care of Bush's unfinished business abroad, the tea baggers cried, "dictator!" It's beyond ridiculous, yet a subsection of weak-minded Americans have bought into it all the way. Why? It's not because of the President's decisions, because this all started before he'd actually made any.
The Tea Party won't be happy with the President until he stops being black. That's the plain truth.
Linda Sampson Rotella Bush was hit with a war right after he got into office. Oh you think he should have turned the other cheek and gave more money to the Arabs who did that to us. He should have been a good little boy and looked the other way. Well he had to defend us. and that takes money. he got approval of the House and Senate before he started anything, not like Obama did in Libia. and he did not bail out companies that contributed to his election. and did not wast 1.5 tillion dollars in a stimulas that only stimulated unions and banks who he wanted in his pocket.
Heather Haze The TEA Party I attended looked nothing like what was later reported about it. I see what's going on and it is very scary. Slander is tearing apart this country. The American People will get the government that is deserved. "Civilization" has become a kangaroo court.
Does the fact that he stated his opinion(exercised his Constitutional Rights) somehow take away from his ability as an actor? Your opinion of his acting ability seems to be based on the statements he made regarding the Tea Party. 'Morgan Freeman used to be a great actor but now that he is putting his lies on the front burner against the Tea Party…..'.
Cynthia Sue Ralls I don't know who actually did the booing, but I would not defend that sort of behavior.
three points: freeman once said people that keep bringing up race are racists. 2. obama is half white, no? 3. freeman is a child molester who cheated on his wife with his 17 year old step grand daughter.. disgusting. why does anyone care what a sick man has to say?
Obama left liberals long before they left him. Now, he has the nerve to try to court "his base". Sorry, but no thanks. I'm not voting for him. I'm holding out hope that an alternative to him and Republicans will emerge or at least a successful Democratic primary against him. Granted, he's better than what the Republicans who have been trotted out on the national stage and are varying degrees of Dubya-stupid, but he's damn sure not the best man for the job. The guy we elected was up to the task, but not this version. He *had* the Senate, he *had* the House. I realize the situation where he has been unreasonably obstructed by Republicans and Blue Dog Dems, alike, but hey, a leader twists the arms of these guys a little bit.
He's not shown fight, but always chose compromise or retreat on every major issue, if not giving Republicans political cover by saying both sides have legitimate philosophical differences on any given issue, when sometimes, it's just not the truth. In light of the most dire financial crisis since the Depression, Republicans still have obstructed any and everything and opposed, dragged their feet, sabotaged, and skewed anything that might help the average American. Somebody tell me if the unemployed are solely Democrats? UI was taken hostage, and the December Tax Deal did nothing really to help that long-term, couldn't even go year-by-year with the Bush Tax cuts, that were extended for two years, for no good reason. Somebody tell me if disaster victims from Joplin, MO or along the East Coast from Hurricane Irene are solely liberals? People need help, and time and time again, this guy has not stood up for Americans. He'd bent over backwards to the GOP, businesses are the most profitable they've ever been ($2 trillion, they're sitting on), banks still don't lend like they should after being bailed out, and yet, he's still on their talking points.
He discusses things on their terms, their agenda, like the debt, when jobs and the economy are what concern the vast majority of Americans. He had a Democratic Congress, and he didn't try to prosecute the Bush Administration for war crimes – and it's things like that which allow Dick Cheney to go around a decade after 9/11, saying "Yeah, I'd torture again". He's not afraid – he has no reason to be. Wall Street criminals have pretty gotten off scot-free, and "Financial Reform" is a piece of garbage because it doesn't fix the main problems. He doesn't stand for anything. That's how you get a stimulus that worked but still fell short – because 40% of it was unnecessary, ineffective tax cuts, that all but 3 Republicans still voted down. That's how you get Romneycare 2.0 – when instead of doing single payor (like you supposedly support) or a public option which most polled Americans supported (even Republicans) and yourself, you put a bill that's the GOP answer to Hillarycare on the 50-yard line. Could've closed Gitmo on his own. Didn't do it. Could've let Bush Tax Cuts expire, but lacked spine. Green jobs? No, let's okay drilling off the Atlantic and California coasts after previously stating we can't drill our way out of our energy problems, just on a whim, trying to get cooperation on a bill that wound up being shelved prior to negotiations even starting, and just 3 weeks prior to a 100+ day oil disaster in the Gulf, which nobody was prepared to deal with, oil companies included.
Obama might have some nice qualities to him, and he's had a lot of accomplishments sure (security-wise mainly, but some things on the domestic side), but he is not worthy of a vote. That would be a vote of confidence that he didn't deserve, and I'm not going to encourage that kind of deceit and incompetence. When I voted for him, I voted for somebody lights years better than Dubya, but he's been Bush Light. He's been a snake in the grass. We can do better, as liberals and as Americans. Change has NOT come. He IS the status quo. Yes, We Can, with SOMEBODY ELSE. We need somebody that will stand up to Wall Street barons, not somebody who's asking for their advice on a jobs crisis they helped to create through outsourcing, underpaying, risky investing, mass layoffs, etc.
We needed FDR. This guy has been trying to be Reagan, so badly. Why do we need a closet Republican passing legislation that even Bush couldn't get passed?
lol I love Morgan, he is the man. Ok just say I will give them the benefit of the doubt. If these people with witch doctor poster and the assholes asking for a birth certificate are not racist (not all of them but if I was hanging with gangbanger than I am a gangbanger). Than where the fuck was the TEA PARTY while Bush and the Real American Gangsta Dick Cheney was fucking things up with off the book wars and prescription drug plan that no one paid for not to mention the tax cuts on the people who really need more money millionaires LMAO. So all you guy that are mad at Morgan back that down to me if the TEA PARTY was all about the deficit then WHAT HAPPENED!
Jack L Naylor When you loose your job and can't take care of your little one, then you'll understand who the Republicans and Tea Party are.
Great post Steven, we are all in the same boat
Michael Alexander I enjoy that fact that you only use warfare as your example. Not the lack of help given to New Orleans (Uh, mostly black. Maybe that's why they didn't like him) Or the fact that he was getting money through his own shares in defense stock that were making money off the wars he started (One for no more than revenge for his father, and both unpaid for, yet were NOT on the book until Obama decided to make the accounting honest) If you look at video evidence, his entire staff denied there were any WMD's. Then suddenly when it because possibly to attack there was "no question". BUt alas, he was wrong (Lied) Obama decided to defend to little guy, and he's just a jerk to you. He didn't even stay in the fighting but instead has us help with the UN as they did what they saw as right. ANd from your picture I can tell you are from another generation,not this one. This generation doesn't divide itself with hate because of sex, sexual orientation, race or any other stupid backwards surface reason. This is progress and the old ways just wont work in a global economy anymore grandpa. And to stop watching a talented performer because of his belief is great, who wants a fan like you anyway. One who throws a hissy fit because a man opted his own opinion. There are white actors who have said the same thing, are you going to stop watching them too?
Jan Briney Are you from the dumster, because you are speaking garbage. Ask the Tea Party and Republicans leaders how much stimlus funds they took unknown to their States to balance their budgets; nevertheless, you wouldn't understand because they play on the fears of people like you…dumb!!!
Darlene Warywoda I just remind you that the U.S. Gov't has never and SHOULD never be a buisness. It's for the people by the people. Not For the profit by the dollar. Herman Cain and sell pizza, but policy isn't exactly a buisness stong point. It's not for profit it's for progress
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then, and a broken clock is right twice a day. For example, Ron Paul says that we shouldn't be in the wars we're in and that there's blowback. He's 100% correct and I agree with him on those things. Vote for him, though? Naaaaaaah. :^)
What made him a bad President; is it because he is trying to put regulations in place of the corruptions you guys have caused???
Beverley Gomes When you try to start a business, so you can keep your independence, then you'll know who the Democrats are.
I'm curious as to what rights of "white people" have been infringed upon, and by whom, and which legitimate complaints the Aryan Brotherhood is sticking up for? lol
It doesn't make sense speaking with you because you wouldn't know the difference.
Paul Adamson Yeah, because the democrats will be the ones helping her start one, Paul!
For the record, I don't 100% trust my federal government, nor do I think they spend efficiently or tax efficiently…I too think the debt and deficit are high, but the Tea Party is not intellectually honest about how it came to be, who's to blame, or how the issue should be best dealt with…. I agree with your first thoughts, but I don't think the KKK would ever stand up for the Civil Rights and equality for all people, so I'm just putting my thoughts out there.
Jack L Naylor I happen to live with people exactly like you. Your probably registered as an independent, which would be a lie. Fox news is 'all truth' and the majority of everything else is 'liberal bias' and wrong. There is no chance you can be wrong, is there? ANd throwing the word stupid around like your some high grade brain is being stupid. There is a huge UNFAIR balance that doesn't give the same opportunities for those less fortunate because of abuse of people by private buisness and the fact they have congress in their back pocket. I'm talking big buisness, not the mom and pop shops that arn't really helped by these ideals. Where were you when Bush was Spend FAR more than could be paid for? That isn't something you do during a war, you gain revenue to pay for it. SO, WWII took us out of the depression yet these wars nearly put us into one. BUt you wait for Obama to blame, to fix something in three years (and massive ideological opposition) that took decades to destroy? Talk about stupid. I think we'd perfer to see our fellow Americans (Which we all are, not just you) as intelligent. You may be that, but your are acting stupid and willfully ignorant. Look a Propaganda 101 and you can see Fox News is just that. Fear mongering, repeating the same phrase to make it sink in, repeat false claims (They have numerous). The list goes on. This is to both you and Mike A. Perhaps you need to reflect more, because you are rightous for yourself, and do not fight for others. And the fact that the Tea Party now ranks lower than Athiests shows that extremists are simply a minority and middle ground is where the real progress stands.
Eric Roberts Populism, tyranny and propaganda are brought to you by the New World Order. The presidents seem to be hand picked to represent it's interests. The TEA Party that I saw first hand was made up of people who oppose tyranny. I observed that broadcasters willfully misrepresented the TEA Party from the get go. It's really scary to see how willing people are to carry the lies that divide this country.
Michael Alexander one more thing. Fox news isn't the majority. It's your opinion, that is why you watch a show that supports what you think and no other. I watch all of them, and the are mostly all propaganda but the youngest (Fox News) is the best at it. If you see them as truth you have proven you have your own warped bias and need not say any more. It's a sign of a closed mind, and mature people willing to listen and to learn don't need your stubborn ignorance taking up intelligent space.
Paul Adamson Common ground!
Beverley Gomes what guys are you talkin about
Morgan Freeman you the F**king man
Yeah, they're ONLY Present for OBAMA PROTESTS! But, they aren't racist…no not at all.
Cynthia Sue Ralls That's exactly what they want you to think.
And say.
Cynthia Sue Ralls I never doubted that we'd find it. : )
Paul Adamson You sound like "anonymous" one minute then, corps the next…not sure what to make of your comments.
Jack L Naylor,LOL… what failed policy…the Republicans won't allow any of them to go through!!!
Beverley Gomes I can't believe somebody liked that.
Paul Adamson When was this attendance Paul? I think you may have been at a coffee party meeting LOL! They share many TEA Party values without all the haters.
Paul Adamson You really believe this?
Cynthia Sue Ralls The TEA Party movement was not started by racists. I'm sure some racists may have joined it, along with a bunch of provocateurs, waving the racist shirt.
Very well said!
Cynthia Sue Ralls I would never say something that I didn't believe. While I'm on this point, I'll address another posters accusation. I don't use "code words."
Joanne, Excellent point!
Cynthia Sue Ralls If you had seen the news media attempt to smear the TEA Party the way I saw it, first hand, then you would be as concerned as I am that totalitarianism is afoot.
*If* Morgan Freeman was biased, which I couldn't say, that doesn't mean that his point about the Tea Party isn't true. And most of the party's members probably aren't *consciously* racist. I'm sure some aren't racist at all. But on average? Yes, most of their positions lean that way. And I applaud Freeman for being willing to say what he thinks. Too many in the U.S. are unwilling to do so, for fear of alienating the not-majority-but-oh-so-vocal conservatives. (if you haven't read Tom Wolfe's "A Man In Full," it addresses that; I just finished re-reading it).
It never ceases to amaze how many people are uninformed. To say the Tea Party as whole is racist is just plain dumb and ignorant. He has been a enormous failure. End of story. You can't blame the Tea Party or Republicans for that!
Cynthia Sue Ralls This is an opportunity for you to re-examine what you expected a Conservative to say and why.
Give e a break. George Bush wasn't treated very well either. Was he? You can't throw around the R word so easily.
Bumpkin Bummah P if you think the President is "parked in a lofty spot", you really are blind to the fact that BEFORE he was even sworn into office he has been attacked!!! and yes, the office of the Presidency in THIS country, as well as any other democratic government(which BTW means countries that have the freedom to vote) is to be "respected"..that is why you CAN agree to disagree "respectfully"! and how has the Tea Party "earned" your respect..by supporting the ideas of someone like Palin..LOL..
Melissa Brown – It's ignorant, baseless posts like this that are the basis for ignorance and settling for whatever is flat in front of them. When we do not challenge our peers, whether it be a colleague, fellow class mate, Congressman/woman, or even our President, we lose sight of our goal: to continuously and un-endingly better and educate ourselves. To not do so is the basis for failure. That being said, it does not take an extremely experienced and long lived politician to realize when a member of our government is making less than stellar decisions. For example, would you say you need a professional chef from France to tell you that it's wiser to heat a pot of water prior to pouring the pasta in rather than simply throwing the pasta in there straight away? Of course not. Now, that's not to say that President Obama's decisions are equivalently ignorant (nor am I saying they are not), but to merely get the point across that there are logical individuals who can make educated extrapolations about a decision's merits and intelligence who aren't necessarily attempting to run the country.
The instigation of a contest in stupidity…must we stoop so low as adults to petty remarks such as this? I think not…an indictment of the American education system indeed.
Morgan Freeman is a intelligent, super smart men, what he said is absolutely right! the Tea Party doesn't care about solutions for our country, all they care about is not letting president Obama get reelected at any cost.
Paul Adamson most of the slander comes from the Tea Party…that's all i ever hear from them!!!
Cynthia Sue Ralls – If people aren't patient enough to think about what they are trying to convey in a discussion in a semi-decent grammatical fashion, then they shouldn't be posting…it's that simple.
Joanne Pollek Kircher They have gone through, but the legislation was written to take effect after the next election. Now why would that be?
With all due respect, this is a very weak argument. The Tea Party formed because of the hole we were and continue to be in. We (the Tea Party people) are sick of the way Washington spends. Period. It just all came together when another Democrat, not black man came into power. There were many conservative critics of George Bush. I was one of them. BTW, Hermain Cain just won the straw poll in Florida. A black man. Do you have an answer to that? Let em guess. He's an Uncle Tom?!
Additionally, there is hypocrisy on both sides, Trust me. I will continue to love Morgan Freeman and his work. It's just too bad he was so quick to jump to his ignorant conclusion.
Joanne Pollek Kircher The gift that keeps on giving…hehe.
When in history has a United States President been called a liar during his first State of the Union address? It was shocking and so un-American! No, I'm sorry…when propaganda and lies become substitute for facts and truth, then you need to look into what is REALLY behind the distortions. I only hope that Americans will rid themselves of voter apathy and stand up against greed, corruption and racism by researching the facts, opening their minds to the truth and caring about all Americans. This is one election, you can make a difference! Say NO to the lies!
Paul Adamson LOL..liberty???…pleeez!!! liberty for who?
Morgan Freeman is a run=of=the=mill hollywood liberal….This is no intellectual or expert on the human condition. This is an actor who is chiefly known to the public thru the words of some screenwriter…. Unfortunately there are extremists in every group and there have been a few racially motivated posters at rallies….. This does not however reflect the couragiousness, character and determination of the Tea Party to question the policies and motives of this president….At the very basis of this organization is the fear of losing this country to extremist leftists, socialists and a faction of this gov't that thinks the constition is a work in progress….It is not…By the by, racist watchers, do you remember when Obama referred to a white member of his family as "a typical white person"? What does that mean?
Joanne Pollek Kircher The republican controlled house has also come up with ideas and bills that the president and democrats shut down immediately. You can say that the republicans have done nothing …….but it doesn't make it true. Additionally, unless you're living under a rock, you know that most of the vitriol is coming from the left.
Bryan Rock And I thought you were pointing out the plank in her own eye. hehe.
Beverley Gomes @ William Kent maybe you should use your spell check before responding to "someONE else" ..lol..we ALL are capable of typos..but that's not the real issue here, is it?
AND you're a CEO???…shame on YOU!
Counterpoint: Herman Cain, nuff said.
Sandra Dunhill – Greed and corruption??!! Does the name Solyndra sound familiar? How about General Electric? George Soros? Tony Resnoff? You're absolutely right. Some of us do need to educate ourselves and do some research. BTW, Cain is a black man doing extremely well with republicans. Please stop throwing racism around so easily. It's really out there. I've been a victim of it.
@William Kent…i'm just "sayin"…lol
Jan Briney the band-aids were the push of the Republicans
Bumpkin Bummah, I was a Hilliary Clinton supporter throughout the last election. I was unsure about Obama and was disappointed that Hilliary didn't win, so I knew that President Obama would need to earn my respect. I listened closely to what he had to say, tried to find fault in his actions or words and you know what? I found the man to be highly intelligent with visionary hopes and ideas for a better America. In highly explosive situations, he took the high ground and didn't stoop to the lows I've seen displayed by some of the so-called "statesmen" who are suppose to be representing the American people. He's accomplished more than the past two presidents in his first year in office – not mention his heroic efforts in finding Osama Bin Laden. He's often made difficult decisions because they were the "right" thing to do for the American people. President Obama has my respect!
@Jan Briney…the American dollar was already devalued long before Obama!
Jack L Naylor your argument would be credible if the tea party came into existence after Obama started enacting his economic and social policies. However, the tea party came into being almost as soon as the present administration came into office. Clearly the tea party has a personal problem with the President regardless of his politics.
Candice Idlebird Your criticism would be credible, if the campaign hadn't lasted almost two years, and if Obama hadn't revealed his hand long before he played it.
@Michael Alexander..if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, & quacks like a duck, then it is a duck…i think that's what Mr. Freeman might have been saying about all the quacking going on in the Tea Party..lol
Michael Alexanderlol.. Have you seen Jimmy Carter? He's NOT black, so why & how could he use race as an excuse! Do YOU even READ what you write..lol..& BTW, it is the FOX news that has the notorious reputation of being one-sided, NOT the others like MSNBC…
Thank you so much for saying all of that. Sadly some of these 'Tea Partiers' think they are not racist and therefore the whole party isn't. That's just not true. But it does seem to go deeper than that.
Please people read a book. Learn something that has happened in the past, not just of our own country, but in the world. When did we start devaluing education, start fighting 'progress'?
I just finished The End of America by Naomi Wolf and it is startlingly precise. Read it, or watch the movie and take a look at what is going on around you. More importantly, look at the big picture and ask "Why?"
Thank you for sharing that Andres. It's true. Everyone does need to watch that. Everyone also needs to take part in their local government. How does everyone think the people that are in Washington right now get there? They don't wake up one day and say "I think I'll become a Senator." They start out as a Councilman, Mayor, School Board president, etc. Please wake up people and see what is going on around you, daily.
Wrong. The Tea Party did not come about until February 2009. We have been in a hole for a long, long time, and were moving towards paying off the debt (at the rate we were going, in about 7 years) until Bush came along and screwed that up with his unfunded wars, his unfunded tax cuts, and unfunded drug benefit Medicare Part D, which is just the short list of why we had the growing problems we did, where we didn't even create a net new jobs during his Administration, that plus a philosophy of letting businesses police themselves, allow industries to write their own laws, encourage them having tax havens and outsourcing jobs – which Obama, unfortunately, hasn't fixed.
You're being cynical to think that those of us alive before 2009 don't realize that we've had issues that Dubya exacerbated, which many of these same Republicans – excuse me "Tea Partyers" were cheering on, so much so that they voted him back in a second term! I dunno, maybe they forgot to care about their futures and descendants because they were scared by 9/11, but Obama the black man they called a liberal radical (HA!) woke them up from that. I guess that's why we didn't see these Tea Parties during the Bush years.
I certainly hope you believe that Barack Obama isn't responsible for all the bad stuff that happened before he was even elected…because the timing of the formation of this "Tea Party" in February 2009 cements that notion, seeing as how they never held Bush to account, not even so much as making a peep or protesting his and his Republican brethren's overspending. No, it most certainly didn't "all come together" when another Democrat came into power. It takes you eight (8) f___ing years to figure out the country borrowing billions from China, an ACTUAL COMMUNIST country, to fight wars we shouldn't even still be in, and that the country is going broke with nothing really to show for it in terms of jobs or repairs or improving environment or education or security (i.e. the southern border), really?
Conservative critics of Bush? Where and when? NAME ONE CONSERVATIVE OR NEOCON CRITIC. Nobody prominent and it definitely wasn't the Tea Party, since they decided not to exercise their First Amendment rights to assemble until what they thought was "Blackzilla" made it to the White House. I'm going to also point out that the Obama Administration didn't call these "dissenters" treasonous or say they were aiding the terrorists by going out and marching and having these rallies like the Bush Admin often tried to say about *anybody* who opposed them. After his first term, *maybe* he had some people on his side disagree with how he did things, I mean the Iraq War going wrong for the first four years, Abu Ghraib, Katrina response, and all the rest should be more than enough, right? but it was only because he started listening to Cheney a little less; they still vociferously defended him and his bad policies to our ruin. Bush had more cheerleaders than critics in the Republican camp. It's very convenient that the Tea Party formed after the fact.
The Tea Party did not come about during the financial crisis that Bush's policies or inattention to the economy led to and his bailouts of banks. They only came about around 4-5 months later. Kind of slow response to a "serious" crisis. Slow response to 8 years of bad policy and overspending, when prior to that, we had mixed gov't that was paying down the debt with a higher tax rate for everybody than we have now.
Somehow, the Tea Party decided to say enough is enough when the radical, black nationalist, Nazi, Communist, socialist, abortionist, birth certificate forging, Kenyan-born, illegal alien, celebrity, terrorist-sympathizing, tax-and-spend wealth redistributionist, gay-loving, anti-business, white-enslaving, murderous, take-away-all-your-guns, Muslim anti-Christ made it to the White House. By the way, taxes are the lowest they've been in 60 years, and you can't cut deficits or debts with tax cuts, nor can you grow jobs. Cut spending, but don't touch Medicare or Social Security. It's stupid and it's bad math. Disingenuous at best.
Herman Cain won a straw poll. So what? So did Michele Bachman. Does that mean Republican ideology promotes black people and women, now? Give me a break. I'm not going to call him an Uncle Tom, but I do believe that any person of color that, or any gay person, or a legal immigrant, or any woman, or any thinking person that supports what today's GOP is offering is blind and/or deaf. Their propaganda in Fox News, the dog whistle innuendos on their radio talk shows and websites, it's nothing inviting. It's definitely nothing new and/or feasible. Hell, even a Florida black Republican, Allan West, as much a zealot as he's been told his brother (who is living in Atlanta, if I'm not mistaken) to go to one of these jobs fairs the Congressional Black Caucus (mostly if not all Democrats), since he was unemployed. Even he must know that Republicans aren't doing anything about unemployment let alone the high black unemployment (and neither is Obama really, until recently being called out on it, at long last). And don't get me wrong, Dems are almost just as culpable as the GOP when it comes to not focusing on help in the greater black community, but Republicans talk a lot of smack – so who in their right mind, even if you're not in the same situation as some other black people are, supports that kind of rhetoric.
I thought it was funny when they trotted Michael Steele out there as a black answer to Barack Obama as Chairman of the GOP and nobody can tell me anything otherwise. He was a black moderate Republican (who isn't as moderate/liberal as some might think, being from Maryland). What a disaster, so many scandals-that-weren't, especially on that one thing with the GOP fundraising Powerpoint presentation that basically said that candidates should appeal to wealthier GOP supporters by appealing to their prestige and social standing to get money out of them while for the rank-and-file, working class numbnuts, appeal to their fears. No shock here.
At any rate, the Tea Party was founded on faulty logic, if not blatant xenophobia. They are nothing more than a bunch of scared racists and disgruntled Republican sore losers who wanted a dumbass like Sarah " "What magazines do you read?" "All of 'em." " Palin in the White House instead of the scary black pseudoliberal whose name sounds funny and has Hussein in it, so he must be evil. Oh, and they're funded by the Koch brothers and other major corporations like that – some grassroots movement. Sounds like part of the establishment to me. Speaking of which, opportunists like Bachman and others are capitalizing on the "anger" (fake outrage or energy, whatever) of the Tea Party to get elected and when they do, some are looking to run this country ashore by not dealing with the real fiscal issues it faces in a reasonable way, let alone unemployment, which the Tea Party doesn't appear to care much about because they don't seem to have much to lose by the country continuing to suffer. This debt ceiling crisis was just a perfect example of the irresponsibility. Obama caved on so much, and still the ones in Congress said they wouldn't vote "aye" to pass the resolution. A few even so much as claimed that a default on debt payments by the federal government would not have any real consequences to the country or the economy – elected officials. All because of Tea Party rhetoric and trying to win elections or keep a seat in the Congress. Didn't see this willingness to screw over the country during the Bush years. Just strange.
I say the Tea Party is either group of people that are easily manipulated nitwits or nothing more than a front, anyway. It's nothing but Republicans, not a true third party. You don't see them running under any other banner but as Republicans. Register as an independent party and see how far that gets you. Frauds.
If you take this as an indictment of the teabaggers, good. It was meant to be one.
Christine Price What all of you seem to be forgetting is that Obama had a Democratic Congress for two years and couldn't even pass a budget. I don't care what color the president is, Black, green, purple; I just can't stand his Socialist policies. I like a lot of black people and would vote for Herman Caine, Condelesa Rice,etc but I am a Republican and I believe in small government. Obama is taking over the banks, the car manufacturers, our health insurance, the government need to butt out of these. The govt is suppose to defend this country per the Constitution. They have totally ruined this country and we will go bankrupt and noone will be able to get free entitilements. We need to get the economy going again so people can get jobs and take care of themselves. This is called personal responsibility my friends. The people who are working cannot support all those who are not. This is a fact of life. I give 10% of my income in tithing. I help others but am living from paycheck to paycheck. I don't have a huge TV or new car, etc. Don't ask more from me than what I can do. We need a strong leader who will put a stop to all this spending. We are borrowing 40% of every dollar that the govt. spends. Wake up before it is too late.
Frank Butler..Neil might be trying to say that racism is everywhere, not just in the white community or the Tea Party, & that not all Tea Party members consider themselves racist..or at least they probably didn't start out that way(to give them the benefit of doubt)..but i don't quite understand the comparison to the "brotherhood" either, unless they think & act differently than the KKK? and as for the rights of "white people" that have been infringed upon, the Irish, the Polish, & yes, the Italians are among some of the "white people" who were dicriminated against at one time in this country…President Kennedy, a 2nd generation Irish-Catholic, was discriminated against for being that & for being so young, but only in the political arena because he came from a wealthy family..& nobody discriminates AGAINST the wealthy! lol
Tim Hall That simply is a lie!
Also, you understand very well that Herman Cain isn't the same as Barack Obama to Republicans/Teabaggers. He is a "friendly". He isn't threatening or menacing to you (and neither is Barack Obama in reality or politically). He's the old black man at the job. Republicans in some areas, may actually start listening to him at some point and thinking he's viable when their first choice goes south. Obama, even though he was in his late 40s when elected, was seen as young, hip, and radical, whether or not these things were warranted.
Joanne Pollek Kircher You're an "us" and "them" kind of thinker. There are people that do that on both sides of the major political divide and it's tearing this country apart. You laugh because you don't see what's coming. You have the freedom to do that.
I know what Neil was trying to say. Which Tea Party members consider themselves racist? In this country, if you're not anonymous when answering, there *are* no racists (+/- the 10% who always gives a nonsensical answer when polled on any given subject). Just like nobody is an idiot when asked, just about. Joanne, Neil did not say the rights of white people in a general sense, he said the Aryan Brotherhood was defending it (in theory), but my question was, if they're the ones taking up the fight, who is it against? Other whites? The rich, oppressive ones? Doubtful. I know about the history of the country and what immigrants, willing and unwilling (slaves), and non-immigrants went through, but their rights were infringed upon by the government (generally, white people), large businesses (white people), and rich white individuals in those days – Aryan Brotherhood defending who? Not fresh, barely-assimilated immigrant whites from other whites, that's for damn sure. lol
Hypocrisy on both sides, sure. But the absurdity of it skews to the right. And Morgan Freeman wasn't jumping to an ignorant conclusion – he made a judgment based on the rhetoric, ideology, and signage of Tea Party people at these rallies, just like a growing number of Americans are finally starting to understand. When you all are saying the same things, and are very vocal about it, and rally around people like Glenn Beck, it's not painting with a broad brush.
You Leftys are so ignorant, I can't stand it. The main street media would not dare ask Obama any questions that might affect their agenda, which is a liberal as can be. But they even tried to get information on Michelle Bachman's high school boyfriends. Really, You can't even get information on what name Obama used when he went to Occidental College. But Sarah Palin has been called every name in the book and people have even moved next door to spy on her and write a book. Be fair folks! All though I don't think you know how to be. I belong to the tea party, I have never seen any bad signs. I'm not saying there hasn't been but we've been told if we do see any then we tell those people we don't want them at our rally. Talk about hypocrites, I use to see rally's against Bush that had pictures that had bullet holes in his head and people called him Hitler, etc but I didn't hear any of the main street press say anything against that. Was it because he was white or was it because he was a Republican. Racism can go two ways you know. Most of you can't talk about the issues, you just like to be vulgar and call names. I didn't like Bush's policy about illegal aliens or his spending but Obama has now spent more than all the other Presidents together and that includes Bush. People just want to stand out and say give me food, give me clothes, give me cars and the gas to drive them. Give me health care, give me TV's, etc. I don't owe anyone any thing, but I like to give if I have it. But I don't want anyone to take it from me.
I have not seen any of the tea party people I know that are racist, what positions are you referring to. You guys just go round and round but never have any examples, anyone can say anything but it is hard to rebut on generalities.
I thought we had gotten past this. Mr Freeman has a right to his opinion. Nothing to see here. Love your neighbor as you would have him love you. To quote Scarlett O'Hara: " Tomorrow is another day."…and tomorrow will always be another day, Scarlett…oh, wait…Scarlett is not a real person….
Somehow, the Tea Party decided to say enough is enough when the radical, black nationalist, Nazi, Communist, socialist, abortionist, birth certificate forging, Kenyan-born, illegal alien, celebrity, terrorist-sympathizing, tax-and-spend wealth redistributionist, gay-loving, anti-business, white-enslaving, murderous, take-away-all-your-guns, Muslim anti-Christ made it to the White House. By the way, taxes are the lowest they've been in 60 years, and you can't cut deficits or debts with tax cuts, nor can you grow jobs. Cut spending, but don't touch Medicare or Social Security. It's stupid and it's bad math. Disingenuous at best.
Herman Cain won a straw poll. So what? So did Michele Bachman. Does that mean Republican ideology promotes black people and women, now? Give me a break. I'm not going to call him an Uncle Tom, but I do believe that any person of color that, or any gay person, or a legal immigrant, or any woman, or any thinking person that supports what today's GOP is offering is blind and/or deaf. Their propaganda in Fox News, the dog whistle innuendos on their radio talk shows and websites, it's nothing inviting. It's definitely nothing new and/or feasible. Hell, even a Florida black Republican, Allan West, as much a zealot as he's been told his brother (who is living in Atlanta, if I'm not mistaken) to go to one of these jobs fairs the Congressional Black Caucus (mostly if not all Democrats), since he was unemployed. Even he must know that Republicans aren't doing anything about unemployment let alone the high black unemployment (and neither is Obama really, until recently being called out on it, at long last). And don't get me wrong, Dems are almost just as culpable as the GOP when it comes to not focusing on help in the greater black community, but Republicans talk a lot of smack – so who in their right mind, even if you're not in the same situation as some other black people are, supports that kind of rhetoric.
I thought it was funny when they trotted Michael Steele out there as a black answer to Barack Obama as Chairman of the GOP and nobody can tell me anything otherwise. He was a black moderate Republican (who isn't as moderate/liberal as some might think, being from Maryland). What a disaster, so many scandals-that-weren't, especially on that one thing with the GOP fundraising Powerpoint presentation that basically said that candidates should appeal to wealthier GOP supporters by appealing to their prestige and social standing to get money out of them while for the rank-and-file, working class numbnuts, appeal to their fears. No shock here.
At any rate, the Tea Party was founded on faulty logic, if not blatant xenophobia. They are nothing more than a bunch of scared racists and disgruntled Republican sore losers who wanted a dumbass like Sarah " "What magazines do you read?" "All of 'em." " Palin in the White House instead of the scary black pseudoliberal whose name sounds funny and has Hussein in it, so he must be evil. Oh, and they're funded by the Koch brothers and other major corporations like that – some grassroots movement. Sounds like part of the establishment to me. Speaking of which, opportunists like Bachman and others are capitalizing on the "anger" (fake outrage or energy, whatever) of the Tea Party to get elected and when they do, some are looking to run this country ashore by not dealing with the real fiscal issues it faces in a reasonable way, let alone unemployment, which the Tea Party doesn't appear to care much about because they don't seem to have much to lose by the country continuing to suffer. This debt ceiling crisis was just a perfect example of the irresponsibility. Obama caved on so much, and still the ones in Congress said they wouldn't vote "aye" to pass the resolution. A few even so much as claimed that a default on debt payments by the federal government would not have any real consequences to the country or the economy – elected officials. All because of Tea Party rhetoric and trying to win elections or keep a seat in the Congress. Didn't see this willingness to screw over the country during the Bush years. Just strange.
I say the Tea Party is either group of people that are easily manipulated nitwits or nothing more than a front, anyway. It's nothing but Republicans, not a true third party. You don't see them running under any other banner but as Republicans. Register as an independent party and see how far that gets you. Frauds.
If you take this as an indictment of the teabaggers, good. It was meant to be one.
Michael Alexander do you know what business the Bush family made their fortune from…OIL! Do you know what American company profited most from that war Bush put us in…Halburton, which was partly owned by his Vice President! Did Iraq have anything to do with 9-11 & WHERE are those "weapons of mass destruction" & finally, was Bin Ladin ever found? Oh, that's right, he WAS found..NOT in Iraq & NOT by Bush! He was a hot head looking for revenge from a war that his dad regreted not finishing in '91 & took advantage of the American people, still grieving over 9-11, to fight that battle..i could go on.. but again, this is suppose to be about the Tea Party's purpose for being & i just don't see their purpose other than to "divide & conquer"!
Brenda Akers Bologna!!!!!!!!!!!!
Linda Sampson Rotella Remember Obama had a Democratic congress for the first two years of his term and they couldn't even pass a budget and the Republican House is trying to do that now but all Obama wants to do is spend, spend, spend. We need to cut, cut, cut.
Frank Butler in reality white men are the only group that it is perfectly legal to openly discriminate against. You can look a white man in the eye and say sorry we can't hire anymore white people right now. That is just fine and dandy to most people. But it is still racism.
Frank Butler Racist groups like the KKK always claim they are just sticking up for their rights. At least that's what they say when there are cameras around. Evil hate filled people like that have learned how to survive around civilized people. Nobody takes them seriously when they say they are just a legitimate civil rights group, but they still say it.
Robert Douglas Guy is right, you liberals only get the main street news which never tells the other side (you only get what they want you to have). What if I think you should not allowed to vote because I think your that dumb. You evidently only hear what you want to hear. Read Obama's books, I have. Have you?
Alan, I'd really like to hear why you feel he's a bad president? Be a little more specific.
Cynthia Sue Ralls You quit living the lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
where were these "courageous determinated character" policy & motive questions when Bush sent our troops into Iraq on a wild goose chase for all those non-existent "weapons of mass destruction" & then would not allow the fallen heroes of that war to be honored publicly as they were returned to our soil..where were their questions for that policy or motive again?
Cynthia Sue Ralls What a bunch of crock!
As an aside: Lena, what's your definition of a weak argument? Everything that I've said is relevant and to the point. I have proven or made some legitimate arguments from just my first statement alone, how full of sh-t the Tea Party is. What logic is there in saying the Tea Party formed due to the country's alleged financial problems but not due to Obama when they only arrived on the scene barely one month after his inauguration and the problems started way before anybody knew who he was on the national scene? Riddle me this.
Obama hip? I think not. Radical….most definitely. Don't come at me as though I'm an old white person that likes and respects Cain because he's safe. You know nothing about me. I'm hispanic who grew up in the 90's listening to dre Jodeci, Dre, etc. I can use your argument against you. Do you not like Cain because he's not "hip" enough? As far as rhetoric goes….please!!! Isn't calling one group of people racist based on nothing, rhetoric???? How about calling that same group tea baggers??? Isn't wanting to tax the "rich" even more ideology???? I happen to love Glenn Beck. Why don't you? What has he done wrong? An example please??
I don't know a single fellow republican that thinks president Obama is hip. He wears his pants up to his throat for crying out loud. When he rides his bike he looks like Pee Wee Herman!! I'm sure he's a nice guy though. Just sucks as president!!
Paul Adamson and Bryan Rock~ even if a citizen were semi-illiterate (which she isn't) they would still have a right to have an opinion and express it in any way they choose in a public forum without being criticized and scolded by self-appointed spell check and grammar police. This is, after all, America, isn't it?
"You can look a white man in the eye and say sorry we can't hire anymore white people right now" That's comical. I'm sure that this isn't how a rejection pans out. But if you're alluding to Affirmative Action, let's please not think that this happened in a vacuum, or that whites (any, not just rich) don't have privilege or connections that help them get jobs. Is there a double standard today? Sure. Is it racism? Fine, but it isn't hateful, and it isn't as if double standards don't still apply the other way. The value of the life of any white person still trumps that of the life of a person of color in this country, no matter who he is, and that matters a hell of a lot more than missing out on a job at an employer that probably has 90% white employment or a school that has 75% white student enrollment and 80% white faculty.
Oops, didn't see your last comment. In response to it-The campaign lasted a while and we saw and heard his ideas and views. Plain and simple.
All you have to do is watch a Tea People rally and you'll see just what they are all about! It's not only the Tea People! It's evident with some of the GOP too! Shame on anyone serving in our government to be allowed to serve with that kind of attitude! They show NO respect for President Obama or the office he holds! It's despicable! Thank you Mr Freeman for saying out loud what I've been thinking all along!
Jack L Naylor He has no chance of getting anything done because the GOP is the party of NO when it comes to President Obama! They have shown it time and time again! They are just hurting all Americans but they don't really care! They have jobs, healthcare and will never go without!
Linda Sampson Rotella Well said, Linda! Thanks! Linda's comments should answer your call for specifics of racist actions, remarks, etc from the Tea Party Donnie Miller.
The conservatives in this country have *almost* always been on the wrong side of history. From the Revolution (Crown Loyalists) to the Civil War (Confederates/Pro-Slavery forces) to the Gilded Age (pro-monopolists) to the Depression (New Deal critics) to WWII to desegregration (anti-integration/pro-Segregationists) to the election of a partially black man who ran on a populus message who wanted to bring together the whole country (the coalition of people who voted for him proved as much). I don't expect any better from them than our history dictates. Let's not confuse Republican with conservatives, either. :^)
Freeman doesn't have the right to his opinion? Since the inception of the teabaggers as a part of the far right, it seems like you can't even state your own opinion anymore, unless it's the right fringe. Did I miss the memo on that development? Let's face it: I have the right to my opinion as much as Mr. Freeman does, and it's pretty much in complete sync with Freeman's. Germany's government was falling in lockstep with the Nazis, even before Hitler made sure they did. The pure and visceral hatred that groups like them spread are disgusting and dangerous. If they stop their seething bigotry, we will stop telling the truth about them. It's too bad that some people in this country have forgotten Freedom of Speech as a fundamental liberty–a lot of the radical right-wingers seem to be unable to count, putting the Second Amendment before the First Amendment.
Lena Carlberg…and where is Glenn Beck NOW?
I would say given the tea party's 100% betrayal of the poor and all safety nets, that they are COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY racist. If they fight against taxing billionnaires, they break the backs of the poor.
I mean, for real, Kristy! lol
Lena Carlberg LOL.."sucks" because he, according to you, wears his pants wrong & rides a bike looking like PeeWee Herman..really? Are you even old enough to vote cause it sounds like maybe you are still in Junior High..at least mentally.
Joanne Pollek Kircher -Assuming you really want to know. He still has his radio talk show and has started a web show. Still making sense and millions.
Paul Adamson I "liked" it for the same reason I just "liked" this one of yours Paul. Because everyone's entitled to their own opinion even if you don't agree with them.
LOL!
Donnie Miller You cannot honestly believe Iraq had anything to do with 9-11? Haven't you ever heard of the 9-11 Commission's Report? That's the lie I was referring to Donnie. BUSH LIED!
Morgan thumbs down..yes there are racist but to say the Tea party is entirely is dead wrong..it's more about the 700 bankers bailouts, continued war in Afganistan, costly obamacare when the country is Bankrupt already, and the list goes on…
^1st Reply was deleted somehow: Wrong. The Tea Party did not come about until February 2009. We have been in a hole for a long, long time, and were moving towards paying off the debt (at the rate we were going, in about 7 years) until Bush came along and screwed that up with his unfunded wars, his unfunded tax cuts, and unfunded drug benefit Medicare Part D, which is just the short list of why we had the growing problems we did, where we didn't even create a net new jobs during his Administration, that plus a philosophy of letting businesses police themselves, allow industries to write their own laws, encourage them having tax havens and outsourcing jobs – which Obama, unfortunately, hasn't fixed.
You're being cynical to think that those of us alive before 2009 don't realize that we've had issues that Dubya exacerbated, which many of these same Republicans -… excuse me "Tea Partyers" were cheering on, so much so that they voted him back in a second term! I dunno, maybe they forgot to care about their futures and descendants because they were scared by 9/11, but Obama the black man they called a liberal radical (HA!) woke them up from that. I guess that's why we didn't see these Tea Parties during the Bush years.
I certainly hope you believe that Barack Obama isn't responsible for all the bad stuff that happened before he was even elected…because the timing of the formation of this "Tea Party" in February 2009 cements that notion, seeing as how they never held Bush to account, not even so much as making a peep or protesting his and his Republican brethren's overspending. No, it most certainly didn't "all come together" when another Democrat came into power. It takes you eight (8) f___ing years to figure out the country borrowing billions from China, an ACTUAL COMMUNIST country, to fight wars we shouldn't even still be in, and that the country is going broke with nothing really to show for it in terms of jobs or repairs or improving environment or education or security (i.e. the southern border), really?
Conservative critics of Bush? Where and when? NAME ONE CONSERVATIVE OR NEOCON CRITIC. Nobody prominent and it definitely wasn't the Tea Party, since they decided not to exercise their First Amendment rights to assemble until what they thought was "Blackzilla" made it to the White House. I'm going to also point out that the Obama Administration didn't call these "dissenters" treasonous or say they were aiding the terrorists by going out and marching and having these rallies like the Bush Admin often tried to say about *anybody* who opposed them. After his first term, *maybe* he had some people on his side disagree with how he did things, I mean the Iraq War going wrong for the first four years, Abu Ghraib, Katrina response, and all the rest should be more than enough, right? but it was only because he started listening to Cheney a little less; they still vociferously defended him and his bad policies to our ruin. Bush had more cheerleaders than critics in the Republican camp. It's very convenient that the Tea Party formed after the fact.
The Tea Party did not come about during the financial crisis that Bush's policies or inattention to the economy led to and his bailouts of banks. They only came about around 4-5 months later. Kind of slow response to a "serious" crisis. Slow response to 8 years of bad policy and overspending, when prior to that, we had mixed gov't that was paying down the debt with a higher tax rate for everybody than we have now.
Do people forget folks were upset with Bush..go back and view the protest on youtube during Bushs 2nd term..so now cuz folks or upset at Obama there ALL racist now?
read frank butler's comments he articulated what I was thinking perfectly.
Joanne Pollek Kircher -Didn't say he wasn't capable of being president because of how he wore his pants. It was a joke in response to Mr. Butler's assumption that we tea baggers find him hip. I can go on for a year on why he actually sucks as president.
Obama has been a great president as far as Republican and Democratic standards are concerned. There is no policy or character disagreement he's a stand-up guy who doesn't crack under-pressure, articulate, humble and does what needs to be done.The only reason we haven't heard about Obama's exploits is because he doesn't rest on his lorals nor does he broadcast them. I'm with neither party. But for one to say Morgan is wrong when viewing Tea Party Rallies, their target followers, their agenda, it's not only racist, but sexist, homophobic, and a clear sign of class warfare. What's even more scary is that it's primarily class warfare and their followers are poor rural whites…
Radical… how? He's governed like a Republican, so if you want to say they are radical, which they are, and not in a cool kind of way, then yeah. Anybody that loves Glenn Beck is a moron and to be written off. But, this wasn't a complete waste of time – at least others can take from this and argue down other such morons in a different forum. I don't know how old Lena is, and don't care. Cain is looked at as "safe" vs. Obama the "radical" – doubtful you even know how that would apply to him, if it were true, which it isn't. I wish he were actually a liberal. Meh. Hispanic, and? Still lacking knowledge. I could care less if Cain is "hip", but he's certainly not right for the job. Obama had the right basic knowledge of gov't and international affairs to be president, even if he hasn't followed through on most of what he talked about. Republicans are a far cry from that, except Ron Paul, but even he would be bad, because he wants to dismantle gov't. First of all, calling the Tea Party racist is based on several "somethings". I assume you can read. The teabaggers called themselves that before anybody else did. It's only now that they realize the term is slang for something else that they want no part of the term. Sorry, no backsies.
Taxing the rich more than what we have been isn't simply based on "ideology". You Republicans care so much about cutting the deficit, but you don't understand basis math. The poor don't have money. The working poor have none to spare. The middle class is doing the heavy lifting, despite not having as much to spare as the rich, but since deficit-cutting is all Republicans care about, and Obama wants to oblige, those who actually listen to economists (of any political stripe) or those who know how to do basic math can figure out that you need to tax the rich more, any they have tons of gifts left from the Bush years, to go along with cutting spending (most of which the average Republican like you takes for granted, anyway).
What has Glenn Beck done wrong? You've watched the show or listened to him, how stupid could you be? The guy's been irresponsible with his rhetoric and he's done some insidious stuff, at least in the past 4-5 years. I mean, even Fox News fired his ass – you realize how f-cked in the head you have to be to lose a propaganda show on Fox News, of all places, where they love the crazies and have the most uninformed viewership (which didn't need to be proven, but was)? I don't think they're yelling "freedom" at your Tea Party rallies, it's more like "Free Dumb"…. there's plenty to go around. Being racist is just a bonus, and not untypical with being generally ignorant.
1st reply got deleted somehow.^ Wrong. The Tea Party did not come about until February 2009. We have been in a hole for a long, long time, and were moving towards paying off the debt (at the rate we were going, in about 7 years) until Bush came along and screwed that up with his unfunded wars, his unfunded tax cuts, and unfunded drug benefit Medicare Part D, which is just the short list of why we had the growing problems we did, where we didn't even create a net new jobs during his Administration, that plus a philosophy of letting businesses police themselves, allow industries to write their own laws, encourage them having tax havens and outsourcing jobs – which Obama, unfortunately, hasn't fixed.
You're being cynical to think that those of us alive before 2009 don't realize that we've had issues that Dubya exacerbated, which many of these same Republicans -… excuse me "Tea Partyers" were cheering on, so much so that they voted him back in a second term! I dunno, maybe they forgot to care about their futures and descendants because they were scared by 9/11, but Obama the black man they called a liberal radical (HA!) woke them up from that. I guess that's why we didn't see these Tea Parties during the Bush years.
I certainly hope you believe that Barack Obama isn't responsible for all the bad stuff that happened before he was even elected…because the timing of the formation of this "Tea Party" in February 2009 cements that notion, seeing as how they never held Bush to account, not even so much as making a peep or protesting his and his Republican brethren's overspending. No, it most certainly didn't "all come together" when another Democrat came into power. It takes you eight (8) f___ing years to figure out the country borrowing billions from China, an ACTUAL COMMUNIST country, to fight wars we shouldn't even still be in, and that the country is going broke with nothing really to show for it in terms of jobs or repairs or improving environment or education or security (i.e. the southern border), really?
Conservative critics of Bush? Where and when? NAME ONE CONSERVATIVE OR NEOCON CRITIC. Nobody prominent and it definitely wasn't the Tea Party, since they decided not to exercise their First Amendment rights to assemble until what they thought was "Blackzilla" made it to the White House. I'm going to also point out that the Obama Administration didn't call these "dissenters" treasonous or say they were aiding the terrorists by going out and marching and having these rallies like the Bush Admin often tried to say about *anybody* who opposed them. After his first term, *maybe* he had some people on his side disagree with how he did things, I mean the Iraq War going wrong for the first four years, Abu Ghraib, Katrina response, and all the rest should be more than enough, right? but it was only because he started listening to Cheney a little less; they still vociferously defended him and his bad policies to our ruin. Bush had more cheerleaders than critics in the Republican camp. It's very convenient that the Tea Party formed after the fact.
The Tea Party did not come about during the financial crisis that Bush's policies or inattention to the economy led to and his bailouts of banks. They only came about around 4-5 months later. Kind of slow response to a "serious" crisis. Slow response to 8 years of bad policy and overspending, when prior to that, we had mixed gov't that was paying down the debt with a higher tax rate for everybody than we have now.
Donnie Miller Random baseless statement with nothing to offer!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donnie Miller What a bunch of mindless jamboring!
glenn beck implied that if jesus were a vengeful person he would've killed the jews for killing him. the romans killed jesus not the jews, he also said he thinks that barack obama is racist. lena I think you're a reasonable person but glenn beck obviously isn't.
The guy is 100% on target. The teagaggers are an embarrassing disgrace to this country and a blot on our species. They have no problem with the sons and daughters of the working poor dying by the thousands in the stupid wars started by the idiot-boy-emperor but recoil in horror at the well-to-do facing the kind of tax rates they faced during all of the glory days of this country. Just look at the slate of lunatics they put up, and, sadly, got elected in 2010. They are a damned menace, pure and simple.
Donnie Miller..so if you were a billionaire, and you had it to give, you wouldn't mind paying your "fair share" of your income to taxes..like contributing 30 percent(which is about what a person earning $40,000 per year pays) as opposed to 17 percent(which is what the wealthy contribute) of your income?..talk about a hypocrite..you are obviously a "proud" Tea party member and you certainly wouldn't stoop so low as to "call names" @ people like "lefty", or "ignorant", or "folks that don't know how to be fair"& "can't talk about the issues", or like to be "vulgar". BTW..it's NOT people saying "give ME" it's Democrats saying "give middle class (which hardly exists anymore) America a chance to thrive by being able to BUY clothes, food, & AFFORDABLE healthcare & housing(which you neglected to mention)…instead of the wealthy who CAN afford the same percentage rate in taxes and some don't think they should! Sooo, you think that YOU and your party are people who "know how to be FAIR"…& where are the proposals for giving out cars, gas & TVs, etc…never heard of them…i think you are either very mislead or very confused.
What the he** is an unfunded tax cut??? Anyway, I can use all your arguments against you. George Bush was just as liberal as you you claim Barack Obama to be conservative. Where are all the Michael Moores and Alec Baldwins calling for Obama to be tried as a war criminal? I'm still waiting for an example on what Beck did that was so wrong. Ugly rhetoric just isn't cutting it for me. Also, you're right, we were on the way to cutting the debt….thanks to Newt and the boys. You want names of people that publicly denounced Bush and his spending? Ann Coulter, Paul Ryan, Newt Gringich (sp?), and many more. As far as Fox viewers being the most uninformed bunch? Stop getting your informtion from Jon Stewart. Polls show Fox viewers are the MOST informed. We agree on Ron Paul. However the reason he's wacky to me is because of his foreign policy. Nobody wants businesses to police themselves, but you can't put so many regulations on them and expect them to thrive or stay in this country. We've tried it the liberal and compassionate conservative way. It doesn't work. Pouring money into the school system doesn't do anything. Raising taxes does nothing. Over regulating does nothing. We can argue all day everyday. You and your kind believe it's fair to take more than half of a man's worth to pay for someone else's healthcare. You apparently look down on minorities and lower income class. Me and my kind don't. We all have the same capabilities. If you can't afford healthcare, get a second job at Starbucks. Disconnect your cell phones.
Donnie Miller You are telling me you never saw the Obama hitler sign? At the tea party rallies? I'm not in the tea part but I've been to rallies (To best understand the movement) and I've seen some pretty bad things people are willing to say in the comfort of others who feel the same way. I don't remember a liberal conspiracy to get the dirt on Sarah Palin, neither do I care. Her policies are ignorant as is her facts on history. Not to mention a confidence in that ignorance that is sincerely dangerous (As history shows) Extreme ideals have never mounted to any good, except in the case of white supremacy. ANd how can you accuse only liberals of being unfair when you already are taking a bias approach. Already I know you are lying being that the hitler Obama sign is an iconic sign was used at least once at a televised tea party event. Not to mention the vulgar way they behaved at these debates. What right does anyone have to boo a soldier fighting for thier very right to do that very booing. I'm not saying you are a person like that, but you run with people who do, and they do it proudly. Not all people are looking for handouts, only the ability to persue happiness even in the event of devistation or unfairness (Abundant these days, close to the times right before the great depression.) And things are not fair. The private sector has congress in their back pocket, and are a global entity now. We have to think differently about things. Like stop competing from state to state for jobs and compete as a single moving country. State bye State we will never compete with China. It isn't Tax insentives alone that ever work, or ever seem to work in our recent history. but now it's to the point that we can't help people in desperate need unless we take away something else, and your party picked American jobs none the less. Who is the hypocrite now? You are just as faliable as any other person, and you should take another look in the area of humility and generosity. If you see it as a handout and a freebe when these programs truly help people then your ignorance makes you who you say you are not. WE are all a country, not just republicans or democrats. Recap through history and you'll find that things are better and people happier when these programs are in place. Less Homicide, demestic abuse, child abuse, suicide all fall when "libral' ideas are implimented. SOmething to consider. I like pick the side of what feels right, and right now the Tea Party is far from that. They rank lower than Athiests in popularity in the general public, that says something. And just so you know, when you state that racism can go both ways try to realize how ignorant you are saying that. You are White, clearly. You have never been treated like less then humans because of the color of your skin, nothing to compare to recent (And it is very recent) history. You have nothing to say on the matter. Accept that.
It erks me so bad that anyone would even dare use the R word on such a large group of people. I'm certain that some are, but definitely not most tea partyers. You want to know what and who is racist? Jeremiah Wright. Spike Lee. Most of the rappers out today. Harry Reid. Joe Biden. Black Panthers. Voting for someone based on their race. What did Barack get? 94% of the black vote? All examples of racism. At least in my eyes. If you need specific quotes an any of the above, I have them. Paint the white house black? Racism.
Sorry if it seems as though I'm rambling. It's late and your comments weren't coming in order. I've enjoyed the debate. You put out way less insults than I'm use to from liberals. Night.
@William Kent..Mr.Freeman "used to be a great actor" until he spoke his mind that disagreed with your opinions…and now he's NOT a great actor or a "hero of the movies" anymore…hmmm…i understand why he is "no longer one of YOUR favorite heroes", but what does that REALLY say about YOU when you confuse an opinion of a real live man who happens to be an actor with the "hero" roles that he plays in movies..and who's the idiot William??? LMAO
Donnie Miller in addition, Obama hasn't put many, if any, liberal agenda's forward. They are all republican ideas. So much so many liberals are angry with it too. Again, check again who is truly ignorant. You sound like you only get your 'facts' from Fox News. A sign of ignorance in and of itself. Also is another hint torwards this very subject, of the underlying reason many people believe the Tea Party really hate Obama. His race. Republicans call their own ideas 'Socialis't or 'liberal' for pete sake. Strange where their priorities lie. And many of those same leader have stated openly their only goal is to take Obama out of office.
Jonathan Opperman..i totally agreed with your observations until you got to the "generation" part…diversity isn't appreciated only by the young! i am a "grandma" & the correct "label" for MY generation is "baby boomer" Have you ever studied about the 60's & 70's…and so you think THIS generation invented acceptance of diversity? this fight for equality has been going on for quite some time & don't underestimate the progress from generations before you..BTW, what do you call the generation of bullies in our high schools today..you don't think that they are dividing themselves with hate because of sex, sexual orientation, race or any other stupid backwards surface reason…really?
The tea party is blasted racist.It has nothing to do with President Obama's policies and whether or not they agree with them.Morgan Freeman is spot on for me and he should never back down.
Lena Carlberg; "BTW, Hermain Cain just won the straw poll in Florida. A black man. Do you have an answer to that? "
He's the "some of my best friends are black" and the "credit to his race" of the exceptions prove the rule crowd.
I'm sure there are some very well-meaning, nice people in the T-P, but that doesn't prevent obstructionist thuggery from being a genuine threat to the country.
Paul Adamson, I think most people understand the T-P by now (with the possible exception of some of the members). They nearly caved in the credit rating of the United States of America, have held our President…who is NOT an Emperor with unilateral power…hostage to every demand they make whether it's reasonable or not and continue to use buzzwords and sound bytes to inflame the base. Who would be *against* liberty and *for* power and tyranny? Why, The Enemy, that's who!!!
Even the Republican leadership is beginning to worry about the new House. It's one thing to have political opinions, to express them and try to find common ground with those who disagree; quite another to hold a figurative gun indiscriminately to the collective head of your neighbors, your friends and even your family with a snarl of "Do what we say or the whole country gets it!"
Finally, another thing to think about is the fact that because the POTUS is black…even half-black…an oppositional movement is going to attract a large number of racists. I've seen the rally signs and heard the slurs. If you haven't, you're not listening.
That's bull, Steven. Make up your mind. Is it about race or not? You said it was and it wasn't in the same post. If it were a race issue, the man would have never been elected. This is absurd! It seems as though there are far too many people out there who will never be happy unless racism flourishes in the world and it appears that it is the crowd that continues to point fingers. It's sad that opposition to a politician or any person immediately has to be summed up as an opposition to the color of their skin. That is so pathetic and a ridiculous accusation. Obama was elected because he promised hope and change. The change he promised would actually resonate with the Tea Party because he claimed to be sick of the politics of Washington and he essentially magnified it. Partisanship, his way or the highway, ridiculous (deficit) spending, busting budgets, railroading bills through that nobody reads, and the list goes on. I'm sure Barack is a swell guy, but he's an awful president.
This literally makes me sad that people think like this. The race card is ugly; so ugly.
This is the United States, here we have to earn respect, it isn't given just because a person has a title.I have none for President Obama and I just lost my respect for Mr Freeman.
Perhaps you all missed the point that a "Tea Party"candidate, who is Afro American, won last night's Republican Presidential Straw Poll in Florida.Once again, the lunatic left is wrong.
class warfare = ZOMGSTOPTAXINGME = no social services, and there wasn't a white 'race' before class warfare in the USA. So of course there are racist elements to that movement. What I find MORE interesting is that even much of the Tea Party is becoming anti-war.
You state that Herman Cain won the Florida straw poll and so you question if people think he must be a "Uncle Tom". Just for you to make that reference proves YOU HAVE the racism and hypocrisy that you are trying to deny!! If Herman Cain were President yes he would be treated the same. In this country there is one issue that will always be bi-partisan and that is Racial Hate. There are Democrats in Congress right now who support his ideals but just cannot accept his being their Leader. The Republicans do not agree with his ideas or will accept him as a black man as their Leader and the Tea-Party are a 21st Century KKK Group that many use in politics; During "Jim Crow" years if you hinted at or outright campaigned that you supported the KKK you sealed your election. The Republicans are doing the same thing now; which is why none will completely denounce the Tea=Party. You give a hint of support that you agree with the indecent hate being spewed by the tea-party or just hint that you are not going to support the POTUS, you can stand up in a room and say Minnie Mouse would make the best President and people would still vote for you. It has gone past what is best for the people to racial hypocrisy; and that is sad for some of the people who might truly believe that giving to the rich will eventually help the poor(although that is the biggest con). The problem is that the tea-party cannot see that they are being "USED"!!!!!! BY BIG BUCKS AND HATERS!!!
Melissa Brown – To settle for anything like this in our society lets it win. Even if it seems impossible, to not spend a lifetime trying to change these things is to succumb to the evils that are racism, poverty, and ignorance.
Oh this is amusing indeed…my post towards Melissa Brown was marked as spam and deleted…perhaps I touched a nerve.
Cynthia Sue Ralls – My point wasn't to use proper grammar just for the hell of it…my point was if you wish to fully and completely portray a point or argument, to do so without somewhat decent grammar and spelling only hurts yourself in the argument. It can skew or alter the underlying point you may be trying to make. That is all I meant by my previous remark.
Frank Butler Mr. Butler, he is radical.
Cynthia Sue Ralls Ms. Ralls, seems as though you agree with anything that is farout liberal. How about Soros and his bought President. How is that!
I wish I was celebrity, if they are upset by his comment, mine would prob wake their dead!
Joanne, I lived the 50's, 60's and 70's also so do not get too excited about being the only one. I also have grandchildren but that has nothing to do with old Freeman not being MY HERO. I said he was not an actor to me. I shall no longer look up to him as being that great anymore because of his comments about the TEA PARTY being racist when they are not. There might be some racists in the party but also there are racists in any organization anyone gets started. There are even racists in organizations you are a member of is you indeed are a member of any. But to say the TEA PARTY itself is racist is just a falsehood and a direct LIE. That is all.
The truth hurts those who are guilty.
Mac Macaroo Your picture is worth a thousand words. You keep forgetting that the white house had two years with a Democratic Congress and could have pushed through any budget they wanted (as they did when they shoved the health bill down our throats, which the majority of this country did not want). The Republicans at least are trying to pass one but the President keeps saying no. We are not the party of "No", the President doesn't care about Congress (Dems or Reps), he thinks he is a dictator. We did not cave in the credit rating, Obama has with his spend, spend, spend. Do your homework! You guys think that everything goes back to race, bah! It's policies, polices, polices. Obama has spent more money than all the U.S. Presidents combined. He is going to bankrupt this country.
Well said Kristy. I grew up in the Jim Crow south and felt and witnessed so much racial hate. The warning signs are there for more terrible things to come. I still live in the South(just as Morgan Freeman chooses to do) because it is my heritage, but the hate and discrimination is still here. Not as open and as bold as in the 60's and 70's but just as DANGEROUS AND HURTFUL. To see it displayed by people like most tea-partyers, as boldly as it is now on national media in our Country, and accepted by so many as ok, just really saddens my heart; and it makes me want to speak out like Mr. Freeman. To not speak out and admit the wrong in this behavior is just totally INDECENT!!!!!!
When did she respond to a "pier". Maybe you need to look in the mirror, Beverly, before you write about other people's grammar.
That's funny, Mark. The majority of racists I encounter are on the left.
we want Zero out of office because he is blatantly incompetent, not because he is black. He has not only ruined things for this generation, but for many generations to come with his reckless borrowing and spending.
I think he sees what he wants to see. If you're looking for it you might find it. I love this country and I'm almost 70 years old. This country has changed a lot in the last 50 years and I very seldom see any racism going on. Of course I can't see what is going on behind closed doors but I do see what is going on at any tea party rally that I've been to and I haven't seen any bad signs, etc. But believe me I wouldn't put it pass an extreme lefty to come and infiltrate the rally. In fact I have seen that on TV and the other people tell them to leave. Of course the main street media is going out of their way to find any racist signs and just show that (in fact they may put them there). Do you get to see all the horrible signs that the left has, and the rock throwing, and face covered up (because they are cowards). No well I do, watch FOX they give both side of the story. I watch NBC also and see how they leave out a lot of news. How many of you have seen all the stuff the unions are doing. I haven't seen it on NBC. And speaking of racism, what about all the black churches who are spewing out hatred of whites (like Wright). Don't you think they should be called out. The black panthers who want to kill the white babies, etc. There can be racism on both sides and to tell the truth I have seen more on the black side. Everyone should clean up their act. We are all Americans and are brothers and sisters under God. Love not hate is what is going to make this country great again.
Well The thing is there are likely some racists on all sides so I guess we all need a flea bath. We don't have to all agree Like I said he said they were racests as in all of them I don't believe that. I am not saying there aren't any heck my ex landlady is raciest. I don't like obama but not cause of race religion color sexual preferance or any other reason related to descrimmination. No one has to agree with me but I'm not gonna just say like he did that this whole group is be causee the president happens to be black or any other race or stuff like that. I just don't like alot of what I've seen and I'm not saying bush or any other recent president was any better or that a future president is garenteed not to be worse cause it's a strong likelyhood in the world we live in today. it's a free country or is suppose to be so everyone is welcome to thier own oppinions but As such I am not saying mine is right or wrong it's just how I feel
He ruined things for you by being elected your commander-in-chief
If you can say you agree with every single thing that has happened since obama has become president that he had anything to do with I'll be surprised. heck same for any president during our life time. pick any off them you like if you've liked all they have done then thats cool if not thats fine too. and just cause you know someone or am in a group with them doesn't mean you agree with everything they do or want/feel you shouldn't be held responsible for them. but again thats hoow I feel you don't have to agree with it
and what does that prove? He was the best of the worst? Hate and ignorance and greed spews from all sides. Obviously so, or you would not be referring to this as an example. Racism is the one truly bi-partisan issue. I am sure many tea-partyers hate the fact that the "black guy" won the straw poll in Florida! Just like they hate that the 'black guy' won the Presidential Election!!
no respect for Mr. Freeman because he speaks the truth? It is people who do not speak out and deny this Country's nemesis–Racial Hate- that should not earn respect. In my opinion, to deny it and not speak against it is INDECENT!!!
obama didn't find him either. unless he was with the troops personally at the time and pointed him out but yes it happened during his run and I'm glad he was found
Morgan Freeman is just stating what we already know, so why is he getting flak for it? Let's recap here. The country went down the drain during the Bush Administration. When Bill Clinton left power, we had a 70 billion dollar surplus. Bush took us into two wars. It cost money to fight wars. When Obama got into power, we were losing 700, 000 jobs a month. We were in the worst recession we had ever seen. The people were suffering. In October 2008, Bush passed Tarp, which was a 787 billion dollar stimulus for the financial institution. There was no tea party formed then to protest that and the state of the country. Why is that? Obama got elected on Jan 20th. The first tea party formed on Jan 24th, before he even passed one law. Why is that? And you think it has nothing to do with race? Please…
anyway I wasn't trying to cause strife or augments just didn't agree with the statement. I don't like obama for my own reasons and it's not related to color or whatever. I hope all is going well for everyone hugs
An answer, Cain will never win the election and the Fl straw poll is not a reflection of the voters in Fl.
I am not Democrat or Republican, but I've seen the crap that has been going on since Obama took power. When that TARP Bill went to congress almost all Republicans voted for it and most Democrats including Obama, because they all thought it was right for the country. When Obama took power and tried to pass the Stimulus Bill, not one Republican voted for it. Obama did not put that money in his bank account. He gave it to all the states to try and help them out. It was for the country. They have been trying to derail him ever since. I'm not saying that everything he has done is perfect. I hated the Health Care Law. I hated the way they got it, all that back door deals and stuff. The fact of the matter is that Republicans have tried to obstruct him from the beginning. Why is that? And by the way, if Mc. Cain had won the election, there wouldn't have been any Tea Party. Do anyone think there would have been any birthers if Mc, Cain had won? I doubt it. For all the people who think it ain't about race, you are just being ignorant.
whoops…'wrong'…sorry…but i do hope you will look into the things the Obama admin has accomplished against all odds…
Why cant hollywood stick to acting.I didn't know Mr Freeman was such a racist……..
Jack Naylor, typical Tea Party moran [sic].
Thanks for the post Donnie. I am glad that you do not witness the same things that I do. I just wish that my 4 children did not have to experience the racism that they are faced with. As for FOX, I choose not to watch FOX and that is my choice. I do not agree with you that they show both sides of the story. The important thing is that we both have an opinion and I don't devalue your opinion to benefit my own. You an I probably don't live in the same world because I see things as a white woman married to a black man with 4 bi-racial children in the south…and my guess is that you do not. So, I just think that I have different experiences than you.
First, have you really listened to what Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin have said in the past or bothered to check the accuracy of their statements? All people need to do is really, really listen and then research the facts to learn when lies are being generated. Both Bachman and Palin have hurt themselves with the propaganda that they spread. I for one, as a woman, would be ashamed to have either of them become the first female President in the United States. You do not have the pleasure of living in a glass house, if you are the one throwing stones at everyone else. They've brought on their own problems by their stupid statements. Palin is nothing but a Media seeking hound. By her actions, she's brought enormous scrutiny to her past.
(The above comment was directed at Donnie Miller)
Beverley Gomes, your comment is right on! Americans need to use the power of vote to remove everyone that was sworn in to serve America but continue to thwart positive programs to assist the country out of this crisis. To me, it almost borders on treason. This is definitely NOT the election for voter apathy! Folks open your minds and hearts to the truth (turn off FOX or at least balance it out by researching the facts).
Jack L Naylor If you think any body can fix this mess this coutry is in , in our lifetime, you're dreaming! I'm sure The next one will be a Republican, So we can see how good he does, Bush sure did fix though, Huh?
Lena Carlberg Not at all! But I bet he will meet with the Direspect Obama has if he doesn't do exactly as he's oredered to do!
You won't get any response from them because they know it's true! What president , including, Nixon has recievced such hated and out right disrespect I challange you to find any proof of it! Oh if isn't color why has no Democrat ever recieved this treatment! No response. Watch!
You have a president thats ruining this country, but some are to stupid to see that, so they play the race card, so old and out dated…i see raceism is still alive and strong in this country.
Rex Butler Not nearly as ugly as Modern day lynching the tea party does and whines when they are called on it! Hiding behind your protest of the race card! If it's a lie, you wouldn't be so mad, my mother always used tom say!
why does everyone assume that anything negative about obama has to be about race or racist i get really sick of hearing everyone black and white red or yellow or whatever throwin the race card down everytime something goes wrong if ya'll cant see whats happening with this presidency then i guess trying to explain will be of no avail because people are wearing blinders and dont want to admit they screwed up im not even a tea party supporter or repbublican or democrat but i can tell when somthin aint right
No one does racism like Obama's pals in the union and the Dem party. Just ask Kenneth Gladney and the victims at the American Crystal Sugar plant in North Dakota. As for "signs" mentioned in the biased article, you ought to see some of the ones held aloft by leftwing moonbats. They're pretty nasty. The 'weak, dark side' of our political system has been demonstrated quite well by malfeasant Democrats from the time Obama took office until we ousted their Congressional majority in November of 2010. They held our Democratic Republic hostage. They shut the GOP and the American people out of the process. They rammed through unconstitutional government-run health care legislation and lashed out at citizens who opposed it. They call good, decent people "terrorists", "nazis", "KKK", "white supremacists", "racist", and a variety of other epithets, for respecting the constitution and demanding that elected representatives do the same. The talking heads at NBC, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC contribute their share to the slander as well. Union thugs, the enforcement arm of the democratic party, beat whistle blowers, attempt murder, make death threats, and commit assault and battery. They're the fucking underbelly.
I really get a kick out of the collection of leftwing moonbats on here, though. You're all just as entertaining as you are stupid and hypocritical.
The Tea Party represents a threat to everything the Left holds dear; anti-capitalism, suppression of free market enterprise, and control of the populace through socialist power grabs. We scare the shit out of effetes; Hollywood, politicians, and MSM alike. Get used to it Freeman.
The race card has been flung so much, it's lost any effect. When it comes to race, that's the main reason minorities and leftwing sycophants voted for Obama in the first place. They chose pigment over substance and now along with their buyer's remorse, they're spitting more hate at patriots who say "we told you so". We hate Obama because of his Marxist destruction of our national security, foreign policy, and economy. We hate Obama because he feeds the maws of the worst his party has to offer. He's a corrupt little man with corrupt friends and associates. He was raised with a resentful grudge against America by communist parents and he uses his position to wreak havoc.
Freeman is absolutely correct about one thing. We will do everything we can to make Obama a one term president.
Freeman, like most Hollywood halfwits, takes advantage of the public megaphone that goes along with their fame. Fine. We have our own voice, and you won't like the response.
Obama is a fraud and it has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the many lies that are still unanswered. I do not think he is a leader but I will credit him with being able to speak. He's the type of person who could piss on your head and tell you it's raining.. I didn't vote for him and if you vote for him your just as big an idiot. The country is going into the shits and he want's to tax us more and put us further into debt? Too many programs for people who are not working americans with a drug addictions that I'm suppose to pay for them? Give me a break, open up your eyes and spend more time looking at what's happening. I'll see you in the food line during the depression of 2013… Oh, by the way how are all your rich friends Obama?
Wrong. The Tea Party did not come about until February 2009. We have been in a hole for a long, long time, and were moving towards paying off the debt (at the rate we were going, in about 7 years) until Bush came along and screwed that up with his unfunded wars, his unfunded tax cuts, and unfunded drug benefit Medicare Part D, which is just the short list of why we had the growing problems we did, where we didn't even create a net new jobs during his Administration, that plus a philosophy of letting businesses police themselves, allow industries to write their own laws, encourage them having tax havens and outsourcing jobs – which Obama, unfortunately, hasn't fixed.
You're being cynical to think that those of us alive before 2009 don't realize that we've had issues that Dubya exacerbated, which many of these same Republicans – excuse me "Tea Partyers" were cheering on, so much so that they voted him back in a second term! I dunno, maybe they forgot to care about their futures and descendants because they were scared by 9/11, but Obama the black man they called a liberal radical (HA!) woke them up from that. I guess that's why we didn't see these Tea Parties during the Bush years.
I certainly hope you believe that Barack Obama isn't responsible for all the bad stuff that happened before he was even elected…because the timing of the formation of this "Tea Party" in February 2009 cements that notion, seeing as how they never held Bush to account, not even so much as making a peep or protesting his and his Republican brethren's overspending. No, it most certainly didn't "all come together" when another Democrat came into power. It takes you eight (8) f___ing years to figure out the country borrowing billions from China, an ACTUAL COMMUNIST country, to fight wars we shouldn't even still be in, and that the country is going broke with nothing really to show for it in terms of jobs or repairs or improving environment or education or security (i.e. the southern border), really?
Conservative critics of Bush? Where and when? NAME ONE CONSERVATIVE OR NEOCON CRITIC. Nobody prominent and it definitely wasn't the Tea Party, since they decided not to exercise their First Amendment rights to assemble until what they thought was "Blackzilla" made it to the White House. I'm going to also point out that the Obama Administration didn't call these "dissenters" treasonous or say they were aiding the terrorists by going out and marching and having these rallies like the Bush Admin often tried to say about *anybody* who opposed them. After his first term, *maybe* he had some people on his side disagree with how he did things, I mean the Iraq War going wrong for the first four years, Abu Ghraib, Katrina response, and all the rest should be more than enough, right? but it was only because he started listening to Cheney a little less; they still vociferously defended him and his bad policies to our ruin. Bush had more cheerleaders than critics in the Republican camp. It's very convenient that the Tea Party formed after the fact.
The Tea Party did not come about during the financial crisis that Bush's policies or inattention to the economy led to and his bailouts of banks. They only came about around 4-5 months later. Kind of slow response to a "serious" crisis. Slow response to 8 years of bad policy and overspending, when prior to that, we had mixed gov't that was paying down the debt with a higher tax rate for everybody than we have now.
Somehow, the Tea Party decided to say enough is enough when the radical, black nationalist, Nazi, Communist, socialist, abortionist, birth certificate forging, Kenyan-born, illegal alien, celebrity, terrorist-sympathizing, tax-and-spend wealth redistributionist, gay-loving, anti-business, white-enslaving, murderous, take-away-all-your-guns, Muslim anti-Christ made it to the White House. By the way, taxes are the lowest they've been in 60 years, and you can't cut deficits or debts with tax cuts, nor can you grow jobs. Cut spending, but don't touch Medicare or Social Security. It's stupid and it's bad math. Disingenuous at best.
Herman Cain won a straw poll. So what? So did Michele Bachman. Does that mean Republican ideology promotes black people and women, now? Give me a break. I'm not going to call him an Uncle Tom, but I do believe that any person of color that, or any gay person, or a legal immigrant, or any woman, or any thinking person that supports what today's GOP is offering is blind and/or deaf. Their propaganda in Fox News, the dog whistle innuendos on their radio talk shows and websites, it's nothing inviting. It's definitely nothing new and/or feasible. Hell, even a Florida black Republican, Allan West, as much a zealot as he's been told his brother (who is living in Atlanta, if I'm not mistaken) to go to one of these jobs fairs the Congressional Black Caucus (mostly if not all Democrats), since he was unemployed. Even he must know that Republicans aren't doing anything about unemployment let alone the high black unemployment (and neither is Obama really, until recently being called out on it, at long last). And don't get me wrong, Dems are almost just as culpable as the GOP when it comes to not focusing on help in the greater black community, but Republicans talk a lot of smack – so who in their right mind, even if you're not in the same situation as some other black people are, supports that kind of rhetoric.
I thought it was funny when they trotted Michael Steele out there as a black answer to Barack Obama as Chairman of the GOP and nobody can tell me anything otherwise. He was a black moderate Republican (who isn't as moderate/liberal as some might think, being from Maryland). What a disaster, so many scandals-that-weren't, especially on that one thing with the GOP fundraising Powerpoint presentation that basically said that candidates should appeal to wealthier GOP supporters by appealing to their prestige and social standing to get money out of them while for the rank-and-file, working class numbnuts, appeal to their fears. No shock here.
At any rate, the Tea Party was founded on faulty logic, if not blatant xenophobia. They are nothing more than a bunch of scared racists and disgruntled Republican sore losers who wanted a dumbass like Sarah " "What magazines do you read?" "All of 'em." " Palin in the White House instead of the scary black pseudoliberal whose name sounds funny and has Hussein in it, so he must be evil. Oh, and they're funded by the Koch brothers and other major corporations like that – some grassroots movement. Sounds like part of the establishment to me. Speaking of which, opportunists like Bachman and others are capitalizing on the "anger" (fake outrage or energy, whatever) of the Tea Party to get elected and when they do, some are looking to run this country ashore by not dealing with the real fiscal issues it faces in a reasonable way, let alone unemployment, which the Tea Party doesn't appear to care much about because they don't seem to have much to lose by the country continuing to suffer. This debt ceiling crisis was just a perfect example of the irresponsibility. Obama caved on so much, and still the ones in Congress said they wouldn't vote "aye" to pass the resolution. A few even so much as claimed that a default on debt payments by the federal government would not have any real consequences to the country or the economy – elected officials. All because of Tea Party rhetoric and trying to win elections or keep a seat in the Congress. Didn't see this willingness to screw over the country during the Bush years. Just strange.
I say the Tea Party is either group of people that are easily manipulated nitwits or nothing more than a front, anyway. It's nothing but Republicans, not a true third party. You don't see them running under any other banner but as Republicans. Register as an independent party and see how far that gets you. Frauds.
If you take this as an indictment of the teabaggers, good. It was meant to be one.
The TeaParty wan't founded by racists. It was founded, is funded and maintained by corporations who want to totally give America to corporations. That being said, they are appealing to the lowest common denominator's in our society. The racist, the greedy, the poor and the ignorant who do not understand that by siding with the teaparty they are voting against their own best interests.Go back and review the lyrics from an old Tennessee Williams Song = I owe my soul to the company store. (Google it). If the federal government doesn't fix the bridges and raods who does? The states – who now get money from the federal government. Guess states will have to continue to raise taxes and cut services. Get a clue people, our sitting President is trying to do everything he can to help the people of the United States inspite of a congress who will do anything to destroy this administration; even if it destroys the country.
Morgan Freeman remains one of my favorite actors.
Well said, Sandra! Yes, I agree that the teabaggers are rascist and someof them probably don't even know it because, let's face it, they aren't real bright. I have never seen any president that has been so disresepcted. It is terrible. Where were these people when Bush ruined the country? Where was the outrage? The days of having an older white president are over and the teabaggers just can't handle it. Obama is cleaning up a hell of a mess left by an idiot, Dubya and a criminal, Dick. Yet, everything he does, the right tries to block no matter what it is. They don't care about the country. They only care that our president has only one term. In addition, the membership in hate groups has risen substantially since Obama was elected.
Joanne Pollek Kircher Point well taken. I apoligize for that generalization. That statement is more appropriate for specific ideals of specific people I have interacted with. I am well aware of the progresses achieved throughout past generations, and would be wrong to not equate a direct coorilation to todays equalities. As for Morgan's statement being a direct lie Mr. Kent, you already admitted that some might be (And we have proof there is, so there is indirect truth in it). So, it may be wrong about the whole group but there is a strong number of people who are racist and are not shy about it, and several who are but wont admit it. Instead of aiming your anger at Morgan, perhaps you should castigate those within the Tea Party that give it a bad name instead of the observations of a well educated and experienced man.
Lena, if you are sick of the way Washington spends then where was your outrage when Bush spent more than any other president in the history of our country and raised the debt ceiling 7 times? He is the one who got us into this mess. The war in Iraq cost about 9 billion dollars a month which adds up to trillions. This did not all come about when a democratic president came into power! It came about because of a republican cowboy that was in office for 8 years. I can give you many more facts about Bush's spending if you would like to learn something. You are uninformed. Keep watching Fox news and hanging out with teabaggers if you wish to remain uninformed. .
Joanne Pollek Kircher As for bullies I think there are several factors reguarding that behavior. Lack of education is one, shown in studies to reduce violent bullying of gay student and those of color, so forth. It's also the prejudice of the parents that are inbedded in some of their lives, something hard to stop. But the idea that people who are different are less then people or dangerous is a very very old idea that is outdated in the world today. That's what I mean. It's through the progress of history we are as open as we are now, and many people in all aspects of history are to thank for that.
Also, one more time with Mr. Kent. Did you ever ask yourself why a man you considered a talent would say something like that if he didn't somehow feel the pain of it? That isn't a statement said by anyone without some warrant, expecially a successful black man. Maybe your jumping down his throat just shows the denial on the subject. And he'll always be a talented actor, weather you see it or not. Funny how your perspective changed about a real acting talent dramatically over an opinion so much that you would deny him the fact of being an actor. Kinda like the Tea Party denied the fact that Obama is not only your president (Which he is, again, no matter what you say about it) Or a citizen. You don't think that has something to do with race? What was it based on then if not that?
Donnie Miller Um, Ms. Miller I did give you an example, blatent signs that are racist. I'm very happy your are not marching around this those Tea Party Members (AS far as I know. Like you said, anyone can say anything right?) But rasicim isn't the only problem with the tea party. It's the members that cheer death, no matter what kind apparently, and would openly boo and man fighting for their rights on a subject that shows in study after study that the bias is not founded in reality based problems. A lot of the ideology isn't based on any fact. In an idea, and it doesn't work. The push the Tea Party is making is dangerous and quite limiting. Not to mention, ironically, not American. Not todays American at least. We look out for each other now, since the great depression. Economically it all went donw hill when Republican ideals took office. That's just numbers in history dear, not liberal bias.
Donnie go and pick up a book before you open your mouth.
Donnie Miller I'll be honest, I would love to be enlightened about Mr. Soros. Please tell, and I'll tell you who owned Reagan and the current republican and democratic representatives. These are were the real problems root from for the middle class. WHo has who in their back pocket.
Donnie Miller stick to the point of the argument.
Lena Carlberg VITRIOL, really??? Now WHO"S living under a rock, or maybe you just can't read…oh, shame on me, if you use a word like that(vitriol must have been your word for the day, hehe) you MUST be able to read..and you don't think those Tea Party signs are RUDE & promoting violent behavior? Then you are a truely blinded Teabagger, being so smug & THINKING that you are so much more intelligent…every time i hear something from your querulous group it makes my skin crawl!
Neil W. Frisch To concrete what Frank is saying, just look at the people who are arrested and executed in this country. The recent death penalty is perticularly interesting considering how little effort went into the conviction and the exploration of fact.
Lena Carlberg BTW, "Ms. Vitriolness", the word is IRK!!! LOL
http://www.truth-out.org/hidden-hands-redistricting-corporations-and-other-powerful-interests/1316966587
Lena Carlberg A great example of bias/racism is your presumption that Black Americans voted for Barack Obama simply because of his skin color. You're entitled to your opinion, but that's all it is. Have you and those who like believe as you do considered that those people voted for who they thought was the best candidate? Can you conceive that maybe they ARE capable of thinking about the issues that are important to them and determining which of the two candidate better represents what they believe is important for themselves and their country? It's no secret that the majority of blacks who vote, vote Democratic. The 94% was not much higher than any other election. Lyndon B. Johnson also got 94% of the black vote when he ran against Barry Goldwater in the 1964 presidential election. Was he also black? Could there possibly be another reason he was able to capture so much of the black vote? In order for Barack Obama to capture that much of the black vote, some of those who normally vote Republican had to abandon the GOP. Perhaps McCain's choice of running mate was the real reason President Obama was able to capture 94% of the black vote. I know plenty of people who were undecided between Obama and McCain, but as soon as McCain announced that Sarah Palin was his running mate there was no more indecision. The GOP needs to take ownership of that unwise decision and realize it's the reason they lost the election and stop blaming it on race(that's my opinion). Too many people are in denial about their very apparent biases/racism. Before you claim that an entire group of people are racist because they voted for the candidate of their choice, consider the possibilities of why they voted the way they did. There are not enough Black people in the U.S. to elect any president without the votes of very many other ethnic groups.
I think the point is there is racism enough to cause a stir, because any racism is unjustified.(Including subtle believers who deny it) As is cheering death or booing a U.S. soldier. I've never seen anything like that, from any side, until the Tea Party enter the fray. Seeing as they so easily cheer the loss of life or poor treatment of a honorable U.S. soldier, they are the best place for all kinds of bias thought and action or ignorance of history and policy. Name calling wont help your false belief in bias ideals. It's the party that fights for all and not just yourself or 'free for all' ideals that will make this country grow. Even the events of the Boston Tea Party contradict what you believe. How Ironic. The Boston tea party, for those who don't know, were not just because of Taxation without representation but the unfair tax break (0% on tea for the East India Trade Company) That made for their monopoly of tea (Like many other goods they monopolized) That cut off all small buisness importing. (They called local importers pirates. Propaganda right there) People were starving and lacked many things needed to live causing many to die because of their power with money and politics. But according to the Tea Party they had that right to low taxes and that power 'people' and as a private secotor 'job creator'. It was wrong, they knew it so they dumped all their tea into the sea. Stop calling people who say something you don't like a name like lunatic. Cause your Tea Party in crazy (Definition of crazy: Performing the same action over and over expecting a different result.) The same policies that broke this country they fight to put into overdrive. SO, race is an issue, but the issues are the real issue. Need a tissue? Because no matter how you look at it, something stinks in the Tea Party.
Mac Macaroo Like I said earlier, every large group is going to have it's racists and it's dolts. I see them in every group. The TEA Party stood it's ground. The President stood his ground. You and I are standing our ground. It's a stand off. It's not "holding figurative guns to heads" every time we draw a line in the sand and say, "If you step over, you will lost my vote." The main thing I want everyone to know is that most of this economic mess was created by fear mongering. Ever since Paulsen scared Bush into signing that damn TARP bill, things have been going down hill. Bush should not have fallen for that. It's a coup d'etat. I won't accept the new regime. I've been watching these political games since the 80's. This is no game. We're losing it all. When we do, I'm blaming the Boomers. Yeah – I know that Barach is an X'er, but he was groomed and propped up by a bunch of boomers. The hippies are changing things from the inside.
Bush Sr, Bush Jr, the Clintons and Obama are all hand picked by the NWO. Don't think me a liberal for saying that. It was paleo-cons like me that uncovered all of that BS in the first place.
Mac Macaroo BTW: I use the term TEA Party participants – not members. The TEA Parties were events that welcomed everyone. If it's become a political party, then it's been distorted. I not a joiner. I'm not a member. I participate, when it suits me. ; )
"I'm not a joiner." – hey, I never claimed to be perfect. [8 ]]
Wayne Everett Foster Obama did his part to find Osama. What Bush closed and stopped worrying about (That is openly stated several times) Obama reopened and set it as a priority. So, he was largely to do with his capture, if that is what you are talking about. By the way Mr. Alexnander, how is forgetting about the very man to cause the war protecting the country? And no one said they want to get Obama out of office because of his race. It's because THEY want to be in office and have been saying that openly on news programs for a while now (Meaning Majority house leaders and other republican candidates like Cantor) And as said, it's been abundant (Racism) in the Tea Party. Equal rights have come almost entirely from liberal policy, the Tea Party is on the other extreme. It's not hard to find very bias rhetoric on their opinion and news shows. (Again, why question his birth if not because of race. First dark skinned president is said to not be American Citizen by the Tea Party. Interesting, never happened with any other president till now) What don't you like about Obama? His policies are republican mostly, so voting for the right will amplify that. And explain why these republican ideas were suddenly toxic in Obama's hand? Tell me why the political leaders on the right said 'They would listen to what he had to say, but are going to go a completely different direction' before he released anything about the Jobs act? It's a bias, whether race or not, that is uncalled for. You always work with the other side, and they do not, ever. That is wrong, and is why he can't get anything done. If given a second term, I think he'll get over my biggest problem, his cowardness. To stand for what he believes and not for people who don't care about him. One thing is true, he is new to the political scene, but I think he deserves the chance to learn and make his mark in history, without rediculous accusations and opposition for no reason. One more term, then you get a new president anyway and if he fails then we can get the I told you so the librals should be able to use now in retrospect of past conservative policies.
Donnie Miller How blind are you, I agree you are not reading.
Rex Butler..BULL? what's really sad here is that you are so wrong in your judgement of Steven Sherrod's post..his mind WAS made up..he didn't LIKE throwing the race card out there, but that is what it now SEEMS to be because of people like you denying the fact that so many personal attacks, criticism of EVERYTHING(you want to talk about an on going list!) from his childhood to his intent, unlike ANY other President! What about Bush & his childhood, college years, so called military time, and most of all..intent(as Michael Moore pointed out in his movie)..where were you Teabaggers then? What's really sad, pathetic, AND ridiculous is that in the end, almost all of you say things like "I'm sure he's a swell guy BUT…or..he seems like a nice guy BUT…" and you don't think those sound like remarks that "closet" racist use…really? It sounds to me like Steven clearly has made up his mind…that for him, it is not & should not be about race but it saddens him because that's the way it seems to be…it's obvious that you can't grasp that, but only "point your finger at it"!!!
Mac Macaroo My post was just censored. There was no legitimate reason for that.
Frank Butler I have had people tell me they can't hire anymore white people. I have been turned down d=for jobs I was extremely qualified for but not the right color. This isn't some made up fantasy of angry white men. It happens all the time. I'm all for equality. But it should be equality, instead we have just changed who we discriminate against. Just reread your comments and think about it. You seem to think it is perfectly fine to discriminate against white people because of something that happened in the past. Well it isn't. Racism is racism. It doesn't matter what color the racists skin is.
While I certainly agree that most tea party folks are racist idiots. I think they have gone well beyond racism and crossed the line into treason. They are intentionally weakening The United States. Eventually we will have to greatly reduce our military due to economic reasons.
Ohh it seems Donnie only posted on FB
Kathy Colson Harrison It amazes me how closely the United States is following the same path the USSR did just before they completely collapsed. It is almost like someone said here is the play book for taking down one of the most powerful nations in the world. Let's follow it in the USA. I give us ten years at the most. Five if the GOP takes control in Washington in 2012.
So, Joanne, I'm a racist? A closet racist? Wow – nice. You don't know anything about me, but you're totally comfortable labeling me. That's great. Good on you. And I'm a, what?, teabagger? I'm not even a part of the tea party, but I'm a tea bagger. This is what troubles me about liberals. Instead of having a decent exchange about opinions and ideas, the approach is to label those who disagree as racist and, not even a certain party, but a derogatory vulgar descriptor such as teabagger. Smooth move, Joanne. I meant what I said. I'm certain that Barack Obama means well and want to make a good impression on the world. That doesn't mean that I'm a racist. You should be ashamed of yourself. That's a horrible thing to label others who you disagree with.
Mac Macaroo Apparently, someone doesn't want my message to get out. I'll take that as a confirmation, but I wonder who's toes I just stepped on. Hmmmmm.
You guys have so much hatred in your hearts. You're part of the problem. There is plenty of blame to go around whether you're Dem or Repub, lib or conservative. Our politicians are horribly off the path and it's so sad that you're falling for whatever you're supposed to believe.
Michael Alexander You are wrong. Yes, Bush had to go to war, but did so with no addition revenue to pay for it. Unheard of in a time of war. WWII is a good example of how at certain times you raise taxes. Taxes were raised, and the war (along with those taxes) saved our economy. What you don't do is put trillions on the nations credit card, then start a second war for your own person vendetta (Again, video history shows six months before the attacks Bush's cabinet said there was 'no way WMD's were in Iraq', then pulled a 180 saying it was undeniable as soon as the chance presented itself.) Also, he made money off of those wars through is own stocks in defense contacts the country was using. I might add they had undeniable evidence Sadam had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.
Bush, not Obama,bailed out the banks with TARP. They were his supporters, far more than Solaris ever was to Obama. They are the reason for the Bush Tax cuts, as well as other Tycoons like Big Oil. Also the large majority of the stimulus was tax cuts, what you fight for. AND the other parts reversed the Job loss and started actually making jobs. He also grew companies, and not just for Unions and Public sector jobs (Which are jobs, why are you complaining about honest Americans living decently. Private sector could but doesn't do that.) As for banks, I agree with you there. They eventually become the cancer just like in the great depression.
I don't agree with everything he has done. But, he made a BUISNESS FRIENDLY univeral health care (not gov't run either no matter what lies you heard) and got rid of the bias policy of Don't ask Don't Tell that research starting in the 1950's up through Reagan till 2010 say is not an actual problem in the military. He is slowy trying to help the middle class and stuggling people in a time they need it the most. There is unfair bias towards money. No matter what party you are in, Money is the real voter on policy these days. At least he's willing to tax them (Considering they[Mega Rich] have had record tax cuts AND recort profits in these 'tough times') Not only are they NOT creating jobs but try to blame Unions (who keep people employed, paid and compensated fairly) for all the problems they clearly created themselves. Yet, they were bailed out of by us.
As for Libia, he did what he felt was right, and had that right under certain conditions. We are not a prevelent force with no one on the ground fighting. And it's not sucking all of our money either, big difference. I don't think we should be fighting all these wars though.
Donnie Miller Um, you do realize your very statement shows how you fall into exactly what you are accusing all liberals of? "The other side" Doesn't tell both sides of the story either, hypocrite. You watch what re-enforces what you already believe. And I'm not sure what you mean by the not voting because your dumb, but it sounds like name calling to justify how you feel. And if you are talking about literal ways of not letting people vote, well the republicans are seeing to that now, arn't they. Stricter voting rules to prevent a crime that happens .01 percent of the time, interesting. Luckily these rules stop the very people who don't like the Tea Party. Mainly poor people and minorities. Can't let everyone vote after all, only way hate can win. And as for readin Obama's book, what of it? You can interprete that any way you want, but if you read Ann Coulter first I can assume you have a bias opinion before reading it. And as for our constitution, it's clearly up for debate considering people now thing this was a Christian bases nation. Something clearly showing bias appeal.
Paul Adamson I don't think the media made people shout out for killing and dying people, or boo a soldier on TV. The media doesn't have to try hard, and I agree with you that it is propaganda on all media fronts. We did what we did in libia to help, and didn't put troops on the ground. It was a UN driven battle, with our allies. Bush, though he asked congress, ignored the UN and did what he wanted. He did the same with the American people, who said Iraq was a bad idea.
Mac Macaroo Some have a vested interest in having you see it all that way, MM.
Our vote is now a gun? The credit rating didn't cave after the President got his way? The Republican leadership should worry. Voters are not happy with what's been going on and the news can't hide it anymore. We're onto them.
Interesting how you would never consider yourself uninformed or misled. Could never happen to you? What magic do you use to stop the constant media barrage you obviously grew up with your whole life? Your right, they can't all be racist. I'm sure that can be made clear, but there are enough to cause waves that are completely justified. Obama hasn't been given enough time to be an enormous failure or prove himself. The Story isn't even close to being ended. He has successes he doesn't gloat about. You can certainly blame republicans who don't try a bipartisan approach to everything. What is dangerous about the Tea Party isn't racism, it's idealism in contrast to history and reality. They refuse to reach across the table and work to better the people outside their own ideal. Extremes are never good for anything, it's the open minded who create the solution. Both sides are the answer, not just one. If you don't agree, then speak out against those in the party to do feel and act that way. Ignoring or denying them doesn't make you right, just blind. And even if Obama is a failure, it doesn't give you or anyone the right to disrespect him the way many have. Tea Party in perticular. He is your president, and a citizen and has stopped a crash of the economy, so I'm not sure where his enormous failure comes into play yet. Enlighten me.
This is the United States, where you earn respect by making money. Helping the poor doesn't bring anyone the respect they should in the country, we'd rather put huge investment into basketball and golfing. Again, reality lost in ideals. I believe in respect, and earning respect but that isn't the truth of the US. Actually, you usually have to FIGHT for respect here, and Obama is doing just that. SO it the entire middle class and the discriminated. It's easy to respect those who agree with you after all. Easy to throw it away at a whim, the only power you have over the truth that man believes. WHy would he think that? Say that? because he is racist? or maybe because he felt the ping of pain by something he observed from that party. Perhaps his phrase is misplaced by blaming the whole group, but it isn't misplaced in the direct those things are comming from. If you really respected him in the first place you wouldn't have lost it so easily without giving him some benifit of the doubt.
Jonathan Opperman Was it a UN op or a NATO op? Bush and Obama were hand picked and propped up.
exactly what proof do you have that he ruined the country? The majority of the debt is everything to do with Bush and nothing with Obama. If he isn't fixing the problem right in your opinion then that is a fair opinion. But to blame him for it all? Ignorant and bias behind that statemtent. He didn't start or contribute anything new to spending other than the stimulas, which still did help job growth. Republican presidents continue to raise our dept every term, and now with wars and crashes it's Obama's fault, even though he not only reversed the falling jobs, but made new ones. Now it's stagnent, something is wasn't under Bush. It was falling the majority of Bush's leadership. Zero did more for equality and jobs than Bush ever really did. He put the wars on the books, that is what spikes his numbers, something Bush didn't do. Seems to me your more incompetent than anyone with an opinion should be. And when you say We, do you mean Tea Party? Do WE want to execute even though it's not a deterent to crime? Or let people die uninsured? Or Boo Soldiers defending your very right to be ignorant and bias? If not, then you should castigate those who do within your party. Maybe reflect on way you view things so concretely around you.
You DON'T know he is racist. He believes others are being racist, how does that make him a racist? Sounds to me he feels wronged and offended by a group of people and all you can do is call him racist. Interesting, because he didn't say anything about white people. He said Tea Party, which might make him bias but not racist. Kinda just shows your state of mind it seems
Why are you calling people you don't know stupid? I think it's stupid to say this president is ruining the country when you say nothing of Bush's continued falling number of jobs or bias approach to helping people in needs. Or that all these problems now are connected directly to Bush. Again, you can disagree on how he is dealing with these problems, but he did NOT create them. Clearly you are 'stupid' for being so ignorant of that fact. These arn't opinions like you love to yammer about, this is historical facts based numbers in math a science. Ignorance, and confidence in ones own ignorant belief is what's ruining this country and you are guilty as charged. Get facts, not just Fox News or MSNBC. Check historical archives and unmanipulated charts and you can see the disconnect you really have, which is self ignorance. He isn't ruining anything yet, just trying to make something actually happen. I know you want your side to win, but what about republicans unwilling to work with him or even listen to their own ideas? Obama hasn't made a liberal decision yet, they are all bipartisan or straight conservative ideas. Why then do you blame him for everything when he doesn't everything the other side wants and they still say no. Rediculous.
Mac Macaroo I expected the left to attack Herman Cain, just like they did Alan Keyes. Have you ever watched the extras on Under Cover Brother? Shamefully racist.
One man's obstructionist is another man's resistance.
Cheryl Bianchi Despite the slant of the article, I'll agree, and most Conservatives would, that redistricting is corrupt and needs to be reformed. The topic is very important and timely. Thanks for mentioning it.
Rex ButlerFor the record, i did not "label" you a racist, but pointed out the fact that those types of remarks are commonly used by closet racist..but if the shoe fits, that's not great.. and it was your mention of the Tea party that i responded to. But it's okay that YOU call Steven's post "bull" & accuse him of "not being able to make up his mind" or calling his observations "absurd" & "someone who will never be happy unless racism flourishes in the WORLD"…these are YOUR words, sir, and you don't know anything about him or me yet you're "totally comfortable" saying these horrible things of others …this is what bothers me about your so called "decent exchange about opinions & ideas" yet you think I should be ashamed, well I'm not, but i do agree that my move was smooth, straight, AND directly to the point that Steven's post was "vulgarly" described by you as "bull"…unlike you,sir, who seems to do alot of backpedalling.
Neil W. Frisch And 3, if it doesn't.
wake up.. he is a weak president… no matter whay race..
Cynthia Sue Ralls Yeah, but it was just a personal attack. I'm just sayin'.
That's a lot of twisting of the facts, Joanne. But that's o.k. The only problem I had with Steve's post was that it was saying two different things. You obviously are labeling me as a closet racist. Plain as day. And you have no idea who I am or what my history is whatsoever. This whole thread is centered on the Tea Party, Joanne, so obviously, I did not bring it up. The premise here is that the Tea Party is racist, so how is it that I'm the one bringing them up? I did not accuse Steve specifically of being happy unless racism flourishes in the world. I accuse anyone trigger happy at pulling the race card as being so. Is this horrible? Perhaps in your opinion. I respect that. I am doing no backpedaling. Not sure where you get that at all, but that's fine, too. I stand by my post. Steve just need to say what he thinks. Is the tea party racist or not. For the most part, his post is sound and logical. There needs to be a dismissal of whether anyone is a Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative, Marxist, socialist, libertarian, etc. Everyone needs to be accountable for their behavior. The people you support have to answer for their actions as much as those I support. There is a sickness in our government and no party is less guilty than the other. The longer that Americans keep drinking the Kool Aid and accept what one party says over the other and protects one party over the other at all costs without holding their own accountable, the more we're all held as slaves to the whims of power-hungry career politicians with nobody's best interest but their own and what THEY think is best for us.
Jonathan Opperman I won't defend the booing of a soldier, but, much of the response you are hearing and reacting to are people rejecting the federal consolidation of power. There's so much corruption that we must decentralize and restore the balance of power. Checks and balances, remember? I know it's old school, but it's still a key issue. It's just like that public sector union argument. It was never a push to do away with private sector unions. Yet people were misled, resulting in the Wisconsin riots. These deceptions are dangerous. Don't support them.
Jonathan Opperman -You're right. The president should always be treated with respect. The way Bush was treated was especially disgusting. I consider myself to be educated and informed because I research and form my own opinions.I don't listen to talking points. Obama has successes he doesn't gloat about??? Have you heard or read his speech on the capture of bin Laden? If you haven't, I suggest you go back and read it. On another point, Obama himself said that if in three years our economic situation wasn't better, he didn't deserve to be re-elected. It's been almost three years and guess what? Things are worse. The black unemployment rate is at 17%. I could go on for hours with more examples. Furthermore, it annoys me to no end when the republican party is branded as the ones not "reaching across the table". The democrats are just as bad if not worse. You're blind if you don't see that. The republicans have put forth hundreds of bills and ideas that Obama and the democrats didn't even consider. Lastly, have you ever been to a Tea Party rally? It's pretty hard to judge a group and their behavior if you've never attended one. You obviously know that the media chooses to show only a handful of remarks and signs. I've been to three and race has absolutely nothing to do with it. Herman Cain is a perfect example of that.
If you need ME to enlighten you on his failures, you should probably get out of hole your buried under. No offense.
Joanne Pollek Kircher -You got me. I misspelled that very important and highly used word……irk. You seem like a very bored person. No offense.
Sharon, while I realize that historically the vast majority of blacks vote democrat, never before did sooo many turn out to vote. I will continue to believe that race had much to do with the first time voters. I'm entitled to my opinion as is Morgan. I realize that doesn't make it right.
Jan and Glenda- Wow.
Lisa Irvin Maresh -I was with the rest of my close group of friends cringing. I too wish that this movement had come much earlier. My point is that Obama's race had nothing to do with it. It was his ideology. I obviously can't speak for the entire Tea Party, but from the rallies I've attended, it's most definitley the case for most of us.
Lena Carlberg Perhaps for the first time they felt that there was someone worth voting for. It doesn't equal racism. Dismissing the other possibilities and assuming that their decision is based on race is bias. It infers that those people voted based on race. I'm sure it was a factor for some, but not the majority. Black people are the same as anyone else. The laugh, cry, live, breathe, bleed and so on like everyone else. And to the apparent surprise of many, they are capable using their brains to make decisions, such as who to vote for. I'm sure there were some who voted for President Obama based on his color, but there were a lot more who voted for him based on his stance on the issues that mattered to them. Anyone voting for any candidate just because of his/her race is ignorant in my opinion. How many first time voters turned out to vote for the GOP's candidate? Was it also because of race?
Rex Butler Talk about "twisting of facts"…in response to Steven's post you stated that "it seems that there are far too many people out there who will never be happy unless racism flourishes in the world and it appears that is the crowd that continues to point fingers" after calling his opinion "bull" & insinuating that he couldn't "make up his mind" (note that i said you "insinuated"..don't want my words "twisted" again)if it was or wasn't about race(note that this is a "fact" of your post)…and you're right , everyone needs to be held accountable for their behavior, including you & NOW you state that "for the most part, his post is sound & logical"(not bull anymore???) and that's NOT backpedalling? I stand by my post, in MY words and hold myself accountable for only my words and not your "twisted" version of them
There is a reason that we have more than one political party…they can offset one another. Our country cannot afford to be run by any party for more than a couple of terms. The country can only spend money and not collect taxes for so long before we end up too far on one end and then, we need the next party to come in and collect some taxes to pay for what we have spent and what we are spending. And the cycle continues!
He has a right to his opinion! At this point about the Tea Party, he is right on the money regarding the POTUS, and their sentiments toward him!
Bryan Rock – Every race faces this at some point. Will it ever go away? Maybe not, but if people like us try to change others then it will get better and better.
So when was I backpedaling? Now or earlier? God bless, Joanne. Peace.
Lena Carlberg lol, your an arrogant one arn't you. AS for Obama stating he shouldn't be re-elected if things were better in three years, three points. It has improved, he wasn't counting on party bias to work against him, he picked the wrong staff. As for some successes, Don't ask Don't tell, though not about money, is a success. Even getting the stim package helped the economy, even reversed things for a while. The attempt to get everyone health insurance through buisness friendly ways was a success for a republican, why not him.
Your claim that democrates arn't reaching across the table is misinformed. The republican bills you refer too were extreme right wing ideas, not at all fair and have not be bipartisan. Obama, however, handed their own ideas to them and they shot it down. It's a bully way to govern, and it's why nothing is actually happening.
Please, go on for hour about how everything is worse now. Worse since when? Bush era unemployment rose much higher percent wise than Obama. 4.3 – 7.8%. He deserved to be badmouthed. He, he put us into two wars (One very needless and for selfish reasons.) and caused this recession and unemployment rise. It rose under obama due to the sheer weight of all these events and bad decisions, but he did bring unemployment to a stop. That isn't failure, nor is any ideas he brought forth, since they had no one on the right even considering them. Most due to tea party idealism.
If you read my other posts, you'd know I have been to several rallies. I live with wonderful people who are full on Tea Party supporters. I never claimed the whole party is racist, but there are many who are, as well as inhumane in their beliefs. Media is Bias, a propaganda on all fronts, that is very true. Perhaps you should study a bit more in that. Do they teach it in high school? I don't base my ideas off any media either, thanks. Your not the first one to use research you know.
There have been exactly three rallies I've been to, ironically enough, where there were racist signs. They were allowed to stay with open arms. I've been to seven rallies total, mostly local but not all. Hermain Cain is a scape goat to deniers. In those terms there are no racist liberals either because of Barrack Obama, yet here we are with the claim that it's in both parties. Can't have it both ways. It's the acceptance of racism that is wrong. In the Tea Party or anywhere.
Your clear attempt to offend me by saying no offense was childish, as is your rightous assumtion that you somehow know more than any average person. Oh, and for his gloating about Osama, he has that right. Bush literally shut down the funds to hunt for him, not even attempting it the majority of his term. Obama got in in his first three years. Bush didn't even think about him, clearly stated at one of his addresses. Not to mention many believe he broke several laws while in office. If you need ME to enlighten you about Obama success and Bush's failures, you should pull your head out of your own @$$ and wake up to your ability to be wrong. No offense. In addition, I never said he didn't gloat about any of his successes. Just that there were some he doesn't gloat about.
Ellen Simpson Childress Exactly!
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Where do you live? Can't hire anymore white people? Seriously, that sounds very off. I think it's perfectly fine to use a policy that offsets the inherent privilege whites get, simply because they made it that way. We don't start at the same place in life, regardless of our economic status, even in this money-loving country. I do not feel sorry for someone who missed out on a job if they are white and qualified, if someone who is just as qualified but is non-white gets the job. 16-20% unemployed in the black community, right now, but unemployment is "high" at 9%. I'm college educated, and I wouldn't doubt that you were, but with the advantages that are already afforded to whites before anything extra is applied like education, I'm not going to sit here and think we should dismantle one policy because you think 50 years makes us equals in the eyes of institutionalized (gov't, media, business, academia) racism in this country. Is it a biased policy? Obviously. Is it fair? What's fair in America? I have (white) people tell me they grew up poor when they had a house and their grandparents and ancestors owned some farm. If you "own" land, you aren't poor, sorry. And how is it that you get that land? The gov't helped with Homestead Acts and housing laws to make it easy for whites to get land for dirt cheap, while slaves stayed slaves. Fair? There are thousands of examples like that, and you benefit from that today, regardless of whether you're aware of it. Is it fair that you are more likely to live longer? Or have lower interest rates? Or be given a warning instead of a traffic citation? Everybody deserves a fair shake, sure. But let's not pretend that everything else is equal in this country. It isn't. Sorry you went through some racism for employment – my guess is, you weren't the first person to ever go through that in the United States. I know how things *should* be. I also know how things *are*, and you can't tell me that everything is equal when it comes to non-whites and employment.
Paul Adamson Resistance to what? They are obstructing their own f=cking ideas. Assuming they actually believe anything they put forth is good, that's pretty absurd. And they've obstructed a good 95% of bills, if not more. There's no excuse for that. They called Democrats unpatriotic when they did it – do we hear that from Dems today? Nope. But here we are 3 years into a financial disaster, and they only have "tax cuts" as a bright new idea, something that didn't work for 8 years, and actually has made the debt worse, as well as not having created any net new jobs. Resistance? More like running down the clock in a game of sabotage. Tell me, why isn't it that they haven't come up with ideas for jobs if they obstruct everything else? They care more about Sharia Law, abortion, repealing HCR, and cutting taxes than getting people back to work.
They may think they are obstructing one man, but they are really obstructing the average American. Then, again what do they care? They think corporations are people.
Ruth, although I agree the Tea Party is a bunch of racists, I have to stop you and say that although a President can only do so much, this President hasn't done as nearly as much as he could have – in fact he really has done a lot – for the other side. He has been a moderate Republican, at best.
Cynthia Sue Ralls I agree and I don't waste my time with that insubstantial tactic. It was my understanding that Bryan Rock was just returning in kind, in order to point out the very same thing that you are pointing out. reductio ad absurdum. The clerical attack lacks substance.
Marguerite Elia It's okay, they're allowed to do that, they are *frauds*.
Watch out, Addie… the Tea Party might see "A.Corn" and come after you. lol
Melissa Brown Only populists get elected. They're crafty, but that's not the same as being smart. That's why we're in this mess.
Billy Richardson Jr I don't know why people like the ad homonym attacks. They offer no wisdom or insight.
Rex Butler It's misdirection. They are shielding character content from examination.
Neil W. Frisch Also, my response was assuming that what you said was true. If there is a group of white men who have been constantly turned down for jobs specifically because of their race, I'd have to ask what job it was – playing the part of Malcolm X on Broadway? Picking oranges? Being a maid? Working in a women's prison. Maybe they didn't interview well, possess a police record, or had bad breath? Despite what you might think, regardless of how qualified you may be, you don't always get the job you want. I find it very hard to believe that if you were turned down based explicitly on race that the person would say as much. I mean, did they tell you that directly after the interview, ask for you to come back to tell you face-to-face or did they mail you a letter stating this? What company works this way? Professional? Just very hard to believe someone would actually come out and say this…unless they had sympathy for you.
Ellen Simpson Childress How is that going to come out of all of this slandering?
Jonathan Opperman You don't remember, neither do you care? And what do you think is implied by a hitler Obama sign? What's this about Obama and Republican ideas? Why would they want him out of office, if he was doing their bidding? He's NWO, all the way, but that's more of a Margaret Sanger/Nazi Socialist thing. You may be talking about the RINO's. Bush Sr, Bush Jr, the Clintons and Barach Obama are all in it together, but they don't represent conservatives at all. They represent totalitarianism. True conservatives and true liberals have a lot in common. We're both Constitutionalists. We both want all of these bastards out of office. We both understand the TEA Party. Just say no to koolaid. Step away from the trough.
Jonathan Opperman No. They're both in it. In 2004, the problem could have been solved, but the race card was used by Maxine Waters, Barney Frank and others, to obstruct the inquiry into Fanny and Freddie.
It was Paulsen that got Bush to sign off on TARP, which was the beginning of the coup d'etat. Since then, the economy has been in a death spiral. Obama's spending has been aimed at banks, unions and other supporters. The debt has been growing exponentially since, TARP.
The federal government should "let" state and local government handle the insurance issue. You don't "see me."
Lena Carlberg If anything, the Republicans reach around the isle way too often.
Paul Adamson -I agree. At least in the past.
Jonathan Opperman Nope. The Dixiecrats haven't changed that much. You're just carrying water for them.
Paul Adamson It's Interesting how it was race in your opinion. The race card is something that is from a history of blatent abuse of power. You treat it as a pity card, but it's a reality you probably can't appreciate. But there were mistakes by Bush with that too, not exclusively Waters or Frank.
It wasn't a joint decision by the way, Obama wasn't in office yet. Bush signed it into law. How are they both in it? And whoever got him to sign it, he still did it. Behind closed doors with opposition he ignored. The debt grew for a lot of reasons under Obama, a lot was (as many agree) needed to avoid a crash. The rest are from the wars started by Bush, unfunded and still going on.
Banks are not his supporters and did not get money in the stimilus. Unions keep people working at fair wages and reliable benifits. Better than aiming money (or tax breaks) at the private sectors who have shown their willingness to sacrifice whats right for money. The whole reason unions were formed was to stop that abuse of workers.
People are dying, for no more a reason than money. Rediculous that this advanced nation can't offer some health to its citizens. States could have done what they wanted. Hey, Massachusettes did, and in worked! It's worth a try on a national level, expecially since it's a Republican idea done by a democrat. It's already helping thousands of children get healthcare.
Now spending is aimed at job growth and infrastructure. We tried investment in those things during world war 2. Seemed to help. You have to spend money to make money and growth. Can't cut it all away.
Jonathan Opperman This is not what I observed.
Jonathan Opperman They oppose the centralization of power and oppressive taxation.
Paul Adamson The race card prevented it? The history of abuse and humiliation of a specific race because of how they look stopped Bush from his plans? You think he didn't make any mistakes? Bush signed TARP into law, Obama wasn't in office. How are they both in it? Obama's spending is aimed at healthcare, Infrastructure, education and tax breaks. Not the Banks, that was soley Bush. And not even unions, not yet. But Unions keep fair wages and benifits for hard working Americans, whats wrong with that? And why should anti-Obama people get money? Most of them helped destroy the economy in the first place.
As for health insurence, it's a republican state idea that worked. It can work nationally, and would take many who die needlessly over money. Money isn't the right to live. And the Debt has been growing since BUSH was in office and provided unfair tax cuts for his rich buddies. Again, Obama didn't cause the recession, and his spending stopped job loss, after creating a few.
Jonathan Opperman That goes both ways.
Jonathan Opperman Why are people calling other people they don't know racist? Turn about is fair play.
I didn't say he didn't do his part someone posted in comments that obama found him that is differant then playing a part. I don't like how he is running the country but those are my feelings agd as I said that doesn't mean I'm right or wrong it's just my feelings and the initail post talks about how the tea party wants him out cause of his race maybe some in it do but I doubt all do that was what I was mainly talking about. We can't make each other see things from our point of view and I'm not trying to. again not saying the other presedents were the best either and likely the next or one of the next ones will not live up to every ones hopes. We can agree to disagree I hope if nothing better. I just don't think it's right to claim the tea party is raciest and that they will do anything to out obama cause he's black which is the statement made in the article above. your just as likely to get rasests out side of it as in or close enough. Hopefully though other blacks or other races male or female will become president and I hope people will be happy enough. Till then obama is in office and For good or bad though I hope for good he's gonna stay till his time is over be it at the end of this term or another. having osama out of the picture hopefully will help in the long run for whoever is in office.
Paul Adamson What goes both ways? Racism? yeah, it can. Not like it did for many races with dark skin. Never was a white man, even the Irish and others who were abused in the past, not allowed to sit in the same area because of their skin color. It hasn't gone both ways in that regard, but still lingers in too many places towards most minorities. You have no idea how it really feels to be treated as less than human because of the color of your skin. And that has nothing to do with the fact that Morgan was in no way racist in his remark.
Linda Sampson Rotella provocateurs
Lena Carlberg and Paul Adamson give me proof of this. What fair and balanced proposals were put on the table by republicans that librals ignored? In the past, Conservative ideas continued to raise the debt and lower employment not to mention huge number jumps of homocide, suicide, domestic and child abuse while they are in office. Those are numbers found by accident, but are undeniable. Your stubborn ideals don't make anything you say a fact. It's all opinion, and not founded in much.
Jonathan Opperman You don't remember, neither do you care? And what do you think is implied by a hitler Obama sign? What's this about Obama and Republican ideas? Why would they want him out of office, if he was doing their bidding? He's NWO, all the way, but that's more of a Margaret Sanger/Nazi Socialist thing. You may be talking about the RINO's. Bush Sr, Bush Jr, the Clintons and Barach Obama are all in it together, but they don't represent conservatives at all. They represent totalitarianism. True conservatives and true liberals have a lot in common. We're both Constitutionalists. We both want most of them out of office. We both understand the TEA Party. Just say no to koolaid. Step away from the trough.
Paul Adamson Again, you are vague. What havn't you observed? The policies of the great depression? Or the fact that we watch out for each other? Or those signs? Cause I've seen them at several rallies I've attended. What exactly to you mean?
Frank Butler more slander
Paul Adamson racist comments and banners as well as underlying actions that speak to it. There has never been linching because of stupidity. But you don't need to know the man linching you to know he is racist. In fact, stupid seems to be the new cool these days. Racism can be found by action. Stupidity is relative, and is of an opinion which is unwarrented most of the time because of everyones ability to be stupid. Everyone is stupid in one way or another. Example, Einstein didn't know how to keep a relationship. Many would say his mistakes with women were stupid. Perhaps why were just human mistake, or he knew something about them others don't. Calling him stupid, or anyone, is stupid because YOU can be the one wrong. Not many, expecially a celebrity with a reputaion like Morgans', would accuse a group of that with no reason to support it. SOmething was done that makes him uncomfortable enough to call them racist. I'd really like to know why. And she is wrong to call people stupid, because she is being stupid in assuming others arn't more skilled in the subject and might know something she doesn't. Your opinions are already made up, and that is a terrible waste of the mind.
And don't forget the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act.
Paul Adamson For someone who uses the koolaid remark a little too easily (and rightously) you are right about the silimarities of the two sides. It's not Totalitarianism though. It's an Oligarchy. Do you support any liberal ideas, or is that Koolaid not worth mixing with your own? Why do you see yourself as better, wiser and smarter than a whole group of people who happen to disagree with you? NWO is a conspiracy theory, not unlike others. One of a WORLD gov't. That is a 'koolaid' position to take, and very extreme.. SO, he is trying to take over the world? But I'm drinking the koolaid? And RINO's are just not extremist. I like Centrist far better than right or left. It makes sense of both worlds of crazy. Oh, and Barack Obama and Clinton can't be RINO's or represent conservatives the way you say. Who are you to say what true conservatism is? Pardon me, but that's not water you are offering me Paul. I'll take your advise, and just say no. Thanks for the opinion though. Oh, and explain to me what I don't remember. I forgot.
Mordan is a good actor, but all blacks are for blacks right or wrong. just let them have the white house, and we will all be slaves black&white under other countries that will take over. c.e. young
How many of you remember this? http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2004+Freddie+and+Fanny&aq=f
Jonathan Opperman There is a period between RINO's and Bush Sr.
As I mentioned, true conservatives and true liberals have a lot in common. They're both Constitutionalists.
You say oligarchy, but that's just a mode of totalitarianism. It would be more accurate to say feudalism. That's what really up. That's what's always up. The other forms of government are just window dressing.
Jonathan Opperman And the reason I said they don't represent Conservatives at all is because you said that Obama is passing Republican ideas – not that Republican and Conservative are the same thing, but I think you know what I'm getting at. What are the Republican ideas that Obama has pushed?
Jonathan Opperman " I don't remember a liberal conspiracy to get the dirt on Sarah Palin, neither do I care. Her policies are ignorant as is her facts on history. Not to mention a confidence in that ignorance that is sincerely dangerous (As history shows) "
She had to leave office because because her political opposition kept filing lawsuits against her and it was costing the state of Alaska too much money.
When the media tried to catch her on that Paul Revere thing, they ultimately had to admit that she was correct.
Give me an example of an ignorant policy that Sarah Palin supports.
Jonathan Opperman Oh, and there was also the email thing. Her account was laid bare to the world by hackers, but there was nothing scandalous to be found.
Jonathan Opperman I meant this, "You DON'T know he is racist."
Glen Beck may be a drama queen, but he's not unreasonable. BTW: Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord. hehe.
Jonathan Opperman The race card was used to obstruct the inquiry into Fanny and Freddie.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2004+fanny+freddie&aq=f
Jonathan Opperman Follow the money. I know that's difficult, since the TARP and Stimulus bills were written to prevent that, but it's not impossible.
Jonathan Opperman Obama was a Senator.
Jonathan Opperman Job loss is stopped?
Jonathan Opperman The economy is in a death spiral, which I believe is intentional. Obama appears to be going along with those who are orchestrating the collapse. The borrowing and printing of money is unprecedented. The uncertainty in the market place is being exacerbated. None of the tried and true methods of stimulating the economy are being employed. Economic growth is being stifled and, while many say it's for the good of the Earth, it is also conveniently consistent with the globalist agenda to level the markets. You may remember people saying that the American standard of living is to rich and needs to be lowered to that of the other nations. We use way more resources per capita than the other nations, etc.
Jonathan Opperman And, of course, there's this angle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
Lena Carlberg, how in the world is President Obama "radical"???? He's done nothing to suggest that he's a radical. He's been one of the few sane statesmen, who has shown a clear understanding of America's problems and has supported common sense legislation. The Tea-Party supporters in the Republican Congress have done very little to tackle the serious, critical problems this nation has faced in the past year. It seems that all their efforts have been aimed at blocking legislation rather than striving for workable bi-partisan solutions. I plan on sending my message loud and clear on election day this year and next. I'll not forget…
Jonathan Opperman This stuff goes way back. Here's an important part of it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Are you all familiar with this information?
" At its peak of popularity eugenics was supported by a wide variety of prominent people, including Winston Churchill,[16] Margaret Sanger,[17][18] Marie Stopes, H. G. Wells, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, John Harvey Kellogg, Linus Pauling[19] and Sidney Webb.[20][21][22] Many members of the American Progressive Movement supported eugenics, seduced by it's scientific trappings and it's promise of a quick end to social ills. Its most infamous proponent and practitioner was, however, Adolf Hitler who praised and incorporated eugenic ideas in Mein Kampf and emulated Eugenic legislation for the sterilization of "defectives" that had been pioneered in the United States." – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics.
Is the taxation of future generations an example of taxation without representation? Have you ever thought about it?
Has the economic collapse been deliberately orchestrated? Have you looked into it?
Sandra Dunhill Ok, I'll suspend disbelief for the moment. Tell me about America's problems and this common sense legislation. Also, tell me what has been blocked? Tell me about all of the bipartisan solutions that Democrats have supported.
Mac Macaroo Threatening to withhold one's vote is obstructionist thuggery? Does that apply to everyone or just those you disagree with?
Wow! Do you just open your mouth and start talking without thinking first? This is the biggest load of crap ever written. I'm guessing you were raised to think this way and never checked out things for yourself, so you're stuck with the myths you've been told. Right is right and wrong is wrong; there is no color and I find it extremely difficult to believe that a reasonable person would believe that ALL of any group would collectively support any cause just because of skin color. If you ascribe to the belief that people are different colors and not just one race HUMAN, I guess you could conceivably believe that especially if you live in a sheltered world and don't really know anyone except people who look like yourself. I'm praying for you.
Wikipedia is not a credible source since anyone can submit information. When our representatives vote to eliminate or cut funding to programs that aid our citizens in acquiring basic fundamentals, aren't we practicing eugenics? If someone has lost their job, exhausted unemployment compensation and has no other means of support isn't cutting or eliminating funding to programs that help one to acquire food,clothing or shelter in order to continue tax cuts for people who don't need the money anyway an eugenic practice? After all it will eventually eliminate some of the 'undesirables' through starvation, suicide or other methods. I'm not advocating a 'distribution of wealth', just saying that we should all pay our proportionate share.
Ellen Simpson Childress & Bryon Rock.. It starts with how we raise our children and how we react to other's kids when they say something derogitory or wear something derogitory. It should also reflect how we react and treat others with disabilities. Our children learn from us (adults), even the slightest distaste shown on our faces or the lightest word whispered is caught and imprinted in thier minds. Until we have blended into the one color that scientists have promised we will ultimately do, (thru mixing of races), we will struggle with color issues.. then however is the all time favorite that tops the race issue… $$$$$ vs $.
Interesting sociopolitical theory, Ms. Young. Have you any credible citations to support it and would you care to share them with the rest of the class?
Oh, and spit out the gum, put your cellphone away and stop doodling "Patsy 'n' Justin 4 evah" on your binder.
Lena Carlberg … "It just all came together when another democrat, not a black man came into power"… We had a Rebublican in "power" for the last 8 years before Mr Obama took "power".. The "HOLE" was dug prior to Mr Obama, and after Mr Clinton… Hmmm.. Now, I will be less accusatory than other's statements I have read and give support to Mr Bush in that when it came time to kick ass on the terrorists and thier home, he did it. Then however… he threw it all away when he decided to attack another country. (Saddam). If you want to talk about HOLES, I can't think of a much bigger one than the "$hock & Awe" he gave us.
@Cathy Terry: "Tennessee Williams Song…" Pssst! Tennessee Ernie Ford. Otherwise, yeah…what you said.
Lori Walters There is a subtle difference in view point. I also agree that realistically, racial segregation of any kind whether it's mental, sociological, psychological, economic, or just plain verbally, to not make each of our individual efforts is destructive in of itself. We must 1) participate in playing our individual role as a citizen who treats everyone equally, and 2) voice our opinion that we should treat everyone equally loudly, clearly, assertively, but tactfully. I should also note that while childhood does play an integral role in how our children's minds are formed and honed with our own sets of morality, the final decision comes to those children when they grow up and make the ultimate decision: how will I treat others of different color, religion, ability, etc. A great responsibility is placed on a parent's shoulders to raise their children properly, I agree 100% with this statement. However, it does not guarantee that said children will take these moral or ethical traits with them forever. They must decide for themselves from their own experience and view point how to treat others once they come of age.
Paul Adamson "Glen Beck may be a drama queen, but he's not unreasonable." ? He…or at least his persona…is a couple inches away from covering his windows with aluminum foil, blocking out the full moon with a copy of The Biggest Secret and shielding himself from the Babylonian Brotherhood's Evil Eye by forking his fingers at them.
Michael Alexander – Yeah because what's spoken on the TV is ALWAYS truth……..how thick can you get…Fox is horrendously biased in any given argument, no matter how trivial. I'm sorry that you have "stupped" so low as to ignore the obvious racial "devission" that is blatantly present in our political environment.
" At the very basis of this organization is the fear of losing this country to extremist leftists, socialists and a faction of this gov't that thinks the constition is a work in progress….It is not…"
Really? Then I wonder where those pesky amendments came from and why we still have the ablilty to make them.
"By the by, racist watchers, do you remember when Obama referred to a white member of his family as "a typical white person"? What does that mean?"
Dunno. Probably roughly the same thing as "run-of-the-mill (H)ollywood liberal", but you'll probably have to ask him what he meant.
Lena Carlberg "You're right. The president should always be treated with respect. The way Bush was treated was especially disgusting."
Compared to the way Obama has been treated or what? I'm 64 years old and I've never seen a sitting President disrespected by Congress quite as contemptuously and openly as he's been disrespected nearly from day one. And if you think the POTUS should always be treated with respect, why aren't you doing that?
"Furthermore, it annoys me to no end when the republican party is branded as the ones not 'reaching across the table'. "
Imagine how we feel when they…being bullied by the T-P House contingent… *refuse* to reach across the table apparently for fear they'll be primaried by people with misspelled protest signs, colorful costumes and teabags stapled to their hats. You must be aware of the fact that our credit rating was downgraded and nearly completely trashed, not necessarily because of the fear that we can't pay what we owe but because the perception is that our combined government branches are dysfunctional and cannot cooperate enough to even take a stab at repairing the economy. Considering that it was several prominent members of the GOP who declared they were willing to let our government default rather than entertain a meaningful compromise, I'm not sure why you're so annoyed with what appears to be a very accurate branding.
"If you need ME to enlighten you on his failures, you should probably get out of hole your buried under. No offense."
Let me understand this. Are you refusing to provide the facts and relevant documentation of your own assertions? If so, why would you ask for amnesty from incurring offense?
Donnie Miller "You Leftys are so ignorant, I can't stand it."
If I were you, I wouldn't tolerate it a minute more, by Gawd!!! I'd just refuse to respond.
That'll teach us.
How many more programs have to fail before you'll realize that they just don't work? We have spent millions on education with nothing to show for it. We have given millions to Native Americans (some of whom I'm related to) and they're worse off for it. It's not that we're (tea baggers) not compassionate. We just believe the people of the United Statea are the ones that should be handing out mmoney to the poor. Wether through our churches or charities. When you allow the governent to distribute money, companies like Solyndra benefit. Not the American people. Government programs create complacency and dependence. I beleive that it's racist to think that one group of people aren't as capable as the rest. It's all about personal responsibility. We should most definitely have a safety net for the truly disabled but most of the people I know that are collecting welfare are far from it.
If you don't trust wikipedia, do the research yourself. You'll see that Paul is right.
That's too much work for people. It's much easier to blame the racist tea baggers.
Rex Butler … sounds like I'm jumping on the band wagon on picking on you but I am not.. I read the statement that Steven wrote and he didn't go wishy-washy on the race thing.. the first part of his statement said that he felt race was the issue. The second statement "this is my whole point of the thing and it's not about race.." He was attempting to explain that what he felt important was what was happening to the US as a whole. Please re-read his statement especially the second half.
David Carlberg Thanks, David.
Lori Walters I agree. I'm all for inter-racial marriage. Mix it up. I intend to.
Mac Macaroo hehe. Good. We shouldn't lose our sense of humor.
Mac Macaroo Here's a blurb about it: "Obama is drawing a new round of criticism for his comments on a Philadelphia radio sports program yesterday in which he said his grandmother is a "typical white person" who has fears about black men. He was attempting to explain a portion of his speech on race earlier this week—specifically, the statement that his white grandmother gets nervous when a black man approaches her on the street." – http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/21/obama-typical-white-person-comment-delights-clinton-aides
Mac Macaroo hehe. And your point? LOL
Paul Adamson Your video already is pointing out how the republicans had every chance to do something about Frannie and Freddie but didn't because it was an election year. Like I said, he made mistakes. Not to mention changing the rules so 'Everyone had a Home." A good idea but it added far more risk and creating the Frannie Freddie ability to make this mess. Then they try to add back regulation after the problem manifested. Obama is a coward, and needs to step up, but he's being denied any action at all. That is where the 'going along' comes in. It's lack of real action, done by republican tactics and Libral cowardess and inability to move forward without both sides getting on board. Borrowing happen under Republicans far more than Dems. Printing money is how most countries (Right now Europe is trying to do just that) to get out of recessions. It's true there are better methods out there, like regulations and oversight added with transparency.
Those 'tried and true methods', what exactly are those methods. I'd like to know. The economy is being stifled, and it is a good thing for resources. That doesn't mean resposibility is a conspiracy if it's implimented correctly. Reagan changed the game by saying we can have it all with no sacrifice, which is just false. And the death spiral is starting again because of international events, not America's lone actions (Or lack there of) And before unemployment came to a stop, it was growing. So yes it is stopped and teetering to fall again. SO it not job growth, it means it's stagment. Wallstreet is in the death spiral, like I said, because of Greece and others in Europe.
Also, your Cloward link not only shows the mentality of both parties, but the fact it hasn't worked and would never work for republicans because they hate welfare, and call it evil (Even though it's made to help the poor, which is what Jesus said should be done.) It's also one mans angle that never came to fruition, and plays on politics not the cooruption within it. And Eugenics were Big in WWII, then early 20th centrury but it's been clear that forced Eugenics would never really work. Sociology and all that. So what's the point? I love George Carlin and his ability to break it down, and I agree with him on the premise of never believing the percieved Norm, so I wont say it's not true. BUt I can use my own mind and piece together what is plausible and whats not. Eugenics are always in a controled (Like the Nazi Regeme) setting, hard to do in chaos of average day life for example. Doesn't mean people arn't trying, but it's hard to apply without that control.
Your right about Obama voting in favor of TARP. So I get your point there. They are both on it.
David Carlberg I have done my research and was saying that if you/he or anyone want to be taken seriously, it's advisable to not quote Wikipedia since there are no controls over who may add or edit information, nor is the information reviewed for accuracy. It isn't a credible source, even if sometimes contributors happen to provide accurate information.
Paul Adamson I see. Point understood, there is no way to get a confession unless they are openly racist. BUt like I said, actions speak loud and there is a lot of bias and hatred in the Tea Party that I've seen. I'm with Jon Stewart on how it bothers me to call a conservative a racist because they are conservative. I've seen the Tea Party do it, openly and subtlly and I would like those who do that to answer for their actions. It's one thing to accuse, but another to see it and say something. He sees the statments and drive to simply drive Obama out of office and wonders why that is more important than actual issues and sees racism in it. Perhaps he is wrong about that modivation, but there is evidence of dangerous and blatent racism WITHIN the Tea Party. Like I said I live with TP activists, and though I disagree with the stubborn "only one way" ideology I know that it is in part right. I'm against booing soldiers, cheering for anyones death or being racist without being confronted for it. Tea Party leaders need to say out right that this is all wrong.
Jan Lacy … This is a interesting site to visit.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States please take time to read all of it and the type of questions used to rank. Every decade, ideals change.. thus the fluctuation in who thinks who's better or worse. I voted for Mr Obama and I will vote for him again. I don't doubt that color plays its part, however as for being the major reason he has such a fight on his hands?? The multitudes of people that do not understand that what took one person 4 years to throw away in a war that was not supported or justified, will take years to replenish ($$) after Mr Obama is gone from office wether he gets a second term or not. The problem is that many of America's citizens are not willing to comprimise, to cut back, to live without or to wait with patience, to decide to lend a hand in making a change or to control oneself with sensless accusations that do nothing except create more bias and discontent. There is definately a rats nest in the Capitol.. there are Repubs as well as Demos and independants that are trying to make a difference, the majority of these people do not have the "weight" needed to keep changes moving in the right direction against the few with the clout.
Sharon Doucette It was a convenience, not a proof-text.
Sharon Doucette I was just asking if people were familiar with the information.
Lori Walters He's not replenishing. He's draining.
Paul Adamson The Paul revere thing was not correct, and there were attempts to make her correct on the very source you keep using to make points, wikipedia. There is a vague area where he was captured by British troops and something a little like she said happened. But it was a cop out, and incorrect. It was a song and dance and an attempt to rewrite history to save her from looking stupid. Her remark was ignorant, the claim she knows about Russia because she can see if from her backyard. Many of her policies were very good in Alaska, but her ideology and inability to accept her own faults (Including how often she reads and lock of belief in science) are primitive. It's dangerous to have religious guide anything. History MORE than proves that. Her E-mails showed that she does, like Bush, pray more than plan. Nothing illegal, I don't think she's a ciminal. It showed how she thinks. Shooting any animal from a helicopter is a cowards way to hunt also, and speaks volumes to me.
Paul Adamson A vote, like money, is a tool to be used. It was used to get what they believe with no attempt to work out a solution. The downgrade was directly related to that inability to work together. It's not about you, or your beliefs or a single party. It's about us as a whole, and you have to care about the plight and thoughts of others to make progress, not rigid adhearing to belief and ideological stances. It's about working together at least in part. Using your vote to make no progress unless you get exactly what you want verbatim is thuggery and it showed in that damage it caused.
The tea party stated polices and goals represent a serious thereat to our liberty. We need to go after the tea party based on those stated polices and goals. Racist signs in the audience do not make the tea party on the whole racist. Many basically decent though misguide folks support the tea party. If we start yelling racist at them it will only drive them further towards the misguided polices of the tea party. I call the tea party philosophy “the man on the hill syndrome”. In order for the “the man on the hill syndrome” to stand a chance of working it needs whipping boys. The traditional whipping boys in America are blacks, Jews and Catholics. We should not be yelling racist but showing where the polices of the tea party will take us.
Paul Adamson It's not old school, checks and balance is why we have this system. I happen to agree with that sentiment, the voters should be put back into control. As for Wisconsin, they was nothing misleading about getting their collective bargoning rights taken away, along with several other rights whose money that is not saved pay for tax cuts to the wealthy. Nor was there any misleading in the attacks from private sectors on Unions because they get better benifits and wages. Totalitarianism is not like an Oligarchy, because it still gives those few power, not just one. To the Rich and Coorperations. Feudalism does usually have a military undertone, but royalty and land holdings. Most people who really own this country dont have much land here, just money. And what about cheering the death? That is a very clear example, expecially with execution, the consolidatin of power over a persons very life. How is that rejecting consolidation of power. I aim that question towards health insurance coverage too.
Paul Adamson That Glenn Beck is, indeed, unreasonable.
Jonathan Opperman The issue in Wisconsin pertained to public sector unions only – not private sector unions.
You're being too literal with the feudalism analysis. Instead of land, think estate. There are fiefdoms everywhere. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Fiefdoms
The "let them die" cheer was about keeping the federal government out of the insurance business. Obamacare is a massive centralization of power that is already beginning to push the private sector out of the market.
Jonathan Opperman There needs to be a separaton of union and state.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIM2OajYUzk&feature=related
Paul Adamson Then apparently, you know what he meant (or think you do via US News). No point in asking, is there?
However, even if we assume Obama's comment was racist, what does that have to do with someone else's racist comments?
And you haven't addressed my question about the Constitution being amended and amendable and therefore "a work in progress".
Jonathan Opperman Thank you. That's it exactly.
Jonathan Opperman My post was just censored again. I made three points in it.
Wisconsin was about public sector unions, not private sector unions.
You're being too literal with the feudalism analysis. Think "estate" rather than "land" and you'll see that there are fiefdoms everywhere.
Obama's health care plan is a massive centralization of power that is already pushing the private sector out of the market. It's ultimate goal is the single payer system, which has no competition.
If I said a corporation is an estate, you might have a better picture of what I'm saying. There are other kinds of estates, too. We need to keep them decentralized.
Jonathan Opperman We're going down the wrong economic road. The downgrading continues. Money is being borrowed and printed at an unprecedented rate. The TEA Party was saying, "turn back."
Obama has rejected sound economic advice.
Jonathan Opperman Obama missed a perfect opportunity to turn things around and reform our financial practices. He's Bush x 10.
Jonathan Opperman Jonathan Opperman In fact, it's Obama that keeps "holding a gun to our heads." For instance, he threatened to withhold social security checks if he didn't get his raise in the debt ceiling. Economists were well aware that to be unnecessary. It was just a scare tactic.
Jonathan Opperman It only takes about 20% of the budget to service the debt and all he had to do to prevent the downgrade was to make a public statement that we are committed to servicing the debt first and will work out our budget issues with the remainder. That assurance would have prevented the downgrade. Easy. He was told that, too. He just didn't do it.
Paul Adamson The 'Turn Back' mention, again vague, can be just as damaging as any of the policies you havn't stated but say are the right economic road. Ignorance and inexperience shows in the Tea Party, because an about face would set confidence even further back as well as any progress in environmental integrity, equal rights and so much more.. In addition, what does takeing away all saftey nets and policies do to help? WHy give credits and loopholes to oil companies and mega rich, something that is shown to hurt ithe middle class throughout history? What sound economic advice did he turn down, specifically? Because economists (you know, people who's sole existence surround understanding economics) stated he averted a crash and it's where he get a lot of his advice. That and historical events. Experience counts you know, and as great as it is to have average people stand up for their belief, it's flawed to say doing what you say is the only right thing to so. And to act as such shows the inability to realize you are as new to this as Obama is, multiplied by number and unmoving ideology. So I can better get what you are saying, trun back from what? ANd we have not been downgraded (New Jersey has) since the whole debt ceiling mess. That's money already owed, and not to raise it would stop a lot of functions people rely on. It's was reckless and ignorant.
Paul Adamson "Mac Macaroo My post was just censored. There was no legitimate reason for that."
Don't look at me. I didn't do it.
"Our vote is now a gun?"
The House Republicans who ran on the T-P approved ballots used…and are still using…their ability to flat block anything the Dems and/or Obama propose. So yeah; it's a gun.
"The credit rating didn't cave after the President got his way?"
Did you read WHY we got downgraded and why there's a substantial threat that it'll happen again? It's because the irresponsible "we'll let the country default before we raise the debt ceiling" stance of the House is making the rating agencies leery of our government's ability to cooperate for the common good.
Jonathan Opperman Another one of my posts was just deleted. Why does this keep happening?
It only takes about 20% of the budget to service the debt. All Obama had to do to prevent the downgrade was to make a public statement that we are committed to servicing the debt and will pay that first and work with what's left. That statement would have prevented the downgrade. That was Rush Limbaugh's advice to the President during the days leading up to that debacle.
Mac Macaroo I read the whole report from S&P on the day it happened and was involved in a thorough discussion of it.
I also read their follow ups.
Jonathan Opperman You have the freedom to see it that way.
Paul Adamson "Mac Macaroo I expected the left to attack Herman Cain, just like they did Alan Keyes."
Curiously, however, it seems to have been the left who are Obama's supporters, so I'm having trouble understanding your point.
"Have you ever watched the extras on Under Cover Brother? Shamefully racist."
Are you using a send up of '70s blaxploitation movies as some kind of illustration of left-wing racism? Really?
Mac Macaroo In the extras, there was some animation all about Alan Keyes. It had nothing to do with the movie, itself. I enjoyed the movie.
Umm..Taxing the future? you mean the Credit Card payments Bush started? That isn't taxation, and you, nor anyone, can tax or accuratly predict the furture. In any case the answer is no, if you are being properly represented.(Saftey nets, and police force, etc. count) And you said nothing of the reason behind the Boston tea party happening because of unfair tax breaks for the rich. Where is that in Tea Party ideals?
The collapse (created by bush undeniably) is a conspiracy theory about republicans, and their ploy to regain power. The Tea Party are doing that very thing for them attacking primarily liberal ideas, ones that have changed and better our entire country for decades. I've looked deeply into many aspects, not guided by political identification or ideals. I hold no strong belief, but many ideas and they can change because that is the only constant there is. The first notion that you 'know' of something that fits well with your belief is limiting in itself. There are points you make, but they are obscured by ideology and beliefs that refused to be change. How silly it'll feel if it ends up Obama was right, if only both sides would let him try. I've looked into it, and the truth is he's not strong enough. Otherwise his attempts have always be bipartisan to some degree, more than republicans have been. And what makes it so wrong is the recent history showing tax cuts, deregulation and simply cutting spending do not work, yet the ignorance calls to ampliphy these mistakes, or get nothing done.
The gov't is on the brink of shutdown again over Disaster relief! There is no reason to refuse to raise revenue and only cut jobs to pay for help. That.Is.WRONG. And it soley attack liberal ideals, without reflection of past mistakes. It's extremely dangerous way to make the Gov't function.
Mac Macaroo My point is that in order to make the right look racist, the left will typically smear Black Republicans in egregious and completely racist ways. It's a pattern.
Paul Adamson I have no idea how to respond to that except to repeat "Seriously?", because it seems you're using extraneous material *attached* to the movie. I'm glad you enjoyed it though. ::: puzzled :::
Paul Adamson One, your video is from a proven bias source, putting out it's own version of truth. It also misdirects the reason for the cuts in union (collective bargning is to prevend powers to do whatever they want with wages and inequality, which is usually nothing) to be because of the deficit in the state. It ironically equals the same amount used to give tax cuts to very rich buisnesses. Also, those unions agreed to all the terms, except the collective barganing that are now denied. It's ironic that you speak out Obama but not against what rights working people are having taken away. Why? Perhaps you should do more than skim the surface or use one news source to get your information. using your own terms, follow the money. It's going to empower the govenor and not the people.
Jonathan Opperman In case you hadn't noticed, not all conservatives like Bush. He's not really a conservative. Obama = Bush x 10. Neither are economic wizards. Bush signed Paulson's bill, but that's not all there is too it. There's the $550 million dollar hemorage of 9/11. BRB
David Carlberg Right, because you take the time to learn about liberal success and ability to be correct or the republican and or Tea Party mistakes. (or ignoring the people) It's easy not to take responsibiliy for your Parties mistakes. Funny how your video doesn't show how the regulations were removed from Freddie or Frannie, or Bush's push to get everyone into a home. Talk about slanted. It's like those who blame the local New Orlean Gov't when the federal (Bush) was just as, if not more to blame. Why did mississippi get their help and funding well before New Orleans? They are all to blame and you pick sides over truth.
Jonathan Opperman The Fanny and Freddie fire was stoked by bad legislation that was designed to deal with red-lining affirmitively. In addition, there was the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which resulted in the merging of banking with investing. That led to the bundling. Our banks sold those bundles to foreign banks, which is why TARP money found it's way over seas. We had to buy back our troubled assets to avoid an international incident. Bill Clinton takes credit for that repeal.
There's more, but this is not a good forum for deep discussions. Good points keep getting deleted.
Mac Macaroo I didn't choose how the media was packaged and distributed. I'm just reporting on it.
Mac Macaroo I fully expect that, if Herman Cain gets the nomination, or even gets close to it, the Dixiecratic campaign to "bamboolze" him will be kicked into gear. It's a disgrace to the country and is not in the spirit of equality or civility.
Lori Walters – Inter-racial marriages is fine with me but not for me. I don't have to marry a black man, chinese man or another woman to respect and love all races and preferences. I have to wonder why we were not all one race in the begining of time if that is how it is meant to be. I agree that it starts with us and how we raise our children. We can't preach it if we don't live it.
Ellen Simpson Childress We are one race. The phenotypic catagorization is completely arbitrary and scientifically invalidated.
Paul Adamson Obama is in no way Bush x10. If anything with his policy, he is Bush .50. he kept a lot of the same policies he did but he's willing to tax the rich and change something (Look at the numbers, the inequality of weath distrobution.) Sign of an oligarchy, especially now that coorperations are people now. They may be people, but they are not Americans. Republicans in general are no economic Wiz. Both Bush's and Reagan all rose the deficit enormously. Clinton had a surplus. If his methods (and past presidents both Dem and Rep) were implimented and given a chance it might work as it HAS work. If it didn't work (Without sabatoge) you could speak out against them. But instead the same failed far right republican ideas (Which Bush had plenty of) keep being pushed while past ideas that clearly worked but are 'liberal' in origin. Now Fox slants these as liberal bias with a false rhetoric of failure. Why? Because, like both side, they wont admit what ideas they have that don't work. Except those conservative ideas do work…for the wealthy. Creating an Oligarchy with money speaking louder than any words. Cuts in programs cut the health and security of the middle class which use to be strong. It's weakening the people, Tea Party ideals, and strengthening the very people you are speaking out against. Totalitarianism can come from places other than gov't you know…it's just called an Oligarchy! Because money rules, not the people nor any single man. Even policy is apparently to the highest bidder. Cuts don't answer inequality, or bias. In fact, all those bills the house pass every so often are heavily bias, which is why they get shot down just as fast.
Ellen Simpson Childress Oh, and I was just expressing my preference to marry inter-racially, so, based upon your respect for all preferences, I'm sure you're probably not referring to my post.
Paul Adamson It'll be interesting when/if it gets to court and there's a decision one way or another. Until then…not so much.
Mac Macaroo Would you say that if it were President Obama's letter to the publisher of a birther book? I'm just sayin'.
Paul Adamson I do, as do you. And I actually respect a lot you have to say. Although, I have to insist that the history Palin put to Paul Revere was incorrect and not is an opinion. Being stubborn about it don't change that fact. And Helicopter hunting is cowardess, that's plain too. Not to mention cruel, to shoot an animal without defense and leave them there to rot. What do you call that? I've hunted, and that is not it.
Jonathan Opperman As I recall, a big part of that story was the fact that she rendered to beast afterward. That's no small feat. It was not left to rot.
Paul Adamson Yep. I haven't read the book in question, I don't know if anyone has written a "birther" book and I'm more interested in trials and court decisions than I am in assorted lawyers' threats.
Ellen Simpson Childress inter-racial marriages is one aspect of the blending of races, but we are already blended.. in the aspect of ethnicities and from the view point of ethnicity comes the question of what race(s) makes up the ethnicity? It isn't wether you or I or the kid down the street has a bi-racial marriage either, this will take 4-5 hundred more years or so, it will be slow and I hope a time looked forward to. Then however as I stated before.. comes the $$$$$ vs $.. That I do not believe will ever change.
Paul Adamson I said it wasn't for me personally. I have several very good friends that have inter-racial marriages and love them all. Just like that is their preference, I have mine. It wasn't meant as anything negative. When someone tells me they are dating a black or what ever, man I don't get offended that they are not dating a white man. To each their own. To me it's the same as I would not date a man with messed up teeth. That is my thing but fine to me if someone else does. This is about preference not being racist.
Ellen Simpson Childress I hear ya. That's why I gave you the benefit of the doubt. God bless.
Paul Adamson You talking about one story. She has done this more than once, and has been done for fun, with several times they are left to rot. I'm not sure if she did that herself, but it was part of the same hunting practices she performs. Flying and hunting is still cheap, taking no skill but aim. I am impressed she rendered that one though, if that is true. And all that nonsense in the book about her is a bunch of things that 1) don't apply to her politics 2) Liberals would love to believe 3) is clearly a vendetta by the author, who if you look at is aching to take her down. I've mentioned what bothers me about her. Revere wasn't her first mistake (Or a Tea Party misconception) or blatent rewriting of history either. It shows a slant, and bias that actually changes our history to fit her (and their) idealisms. Taxes raised have helped the country. It wasn't founded as a christian nation and she is a hypocrite when it comes to her own family. (Bristol is an example, a situation she said should be left up to her family but would write in to law so wouldn't be other families right to choose.) She lives a double standard, as do many who have a strong religious or idealogical position.
Paul Adamson "My point is that in order to make the right look racist, the left will typically smear Black Republicans in egregious and completely racist ways. It's a pattern."
Show me the pattern and the "completely racist ways". And then maybe you could count the number of Republican African Americans in the House and Senate, contrast it with the number of African American Democrats and explain to me how the Republican base is so influenced by the left that they fail to choose or vote for black legislators. I'm riveted.
Paul Adamson Thank you! God bless you and your family also.
Mac Macaroo I have to give props to Black Republicans. They're few in number because of the flack they take. That flack is not coming from Republicans. We are well aware of and do strongly support them in their struggle. Don't ask me for the litany, just so you can dismiss the point. Research it and try seeing it from our perspective.
Ellen Simpson Childress Likewise. : )
Jonathan Opperman We're all hypocrites, from God's point of view. Revisionism is a big problem all around.
The problem with the "natural rights" argument is made clear by Spock, of all characters, "The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few – or the one."
Our God given rights are unalienable, because He is The Most High authority. If the state ever does away with the concept of God, as included in the DOI and eluded to in the Constitution, then the state is declaring itself to be the ultimate moral authority. I can't pledge allegiance to such a nation or it's flag.
I'm not making a religious argument. The founding fathers were careful not to elaborate on the divine, beyond recognizing the place of authority, thereof. I don't care you want to believe that God is just a literary device. Just don't mess with the construct.
Our Constitution is an agreement or contract that is based upon mutual respect. Any violation of an individual's rights is a breech of that contract.
I have more on this, but that's enough for now.
Mac Macaroo I was laughing with you, not at you. hehe.
Paul Adamson "I have to give props to Black Republicans."
So do I. Must be lonely up in there.
"They're few in number because of the flack they take. That flack is not coming from Republicans."
Again, then, I have to ask why the GOP is so influenced by the left that they fail to support and elect black lawmakers. Or are you suggesting that the latter are just too timid and sensitive to face that harsh left gauntlet?
"Don't ask me for the litany, just so you can dismiss the point. "
Dude, you're the one who brought it up. If you can't support it, then you'll have to understand why I dismiss it *without* your litany.
"Research it and try seeing it from our perspective."
I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours.
Jonathan Opperman That's just not right.
Very little, if anything, has been blocked, because there hasn't been anything to block.
He did get his health care plan passed, but it's not designed to take immediate effect. The Republican plan is to roll it back after the next election.
He has distributed / redistributed funds, picking winners and losers and causing market paralysis.
Don't believe the hype. He's not what he's made out to me.
Mac Macaroo You're in denial.
Dang this thread is hard to follow! Stuff keeps getting lost and/or shuffled around and I can't spend all day every day looking for stuff.
Nice to meet y'all…even the people with whom I strongly disagree. Maybe we can meet up again in a venue that isn't quite so chaotic.
Jonathan Opperman There are undoubtedly individuals that bring bs into the movement. That's true of all movements. There are also provocateurs and those who try to undermine the power of the movement by creating false impressions. Many reporters were caught in the act of trying to intentionally misrepresent the movement from the get go.
Did you know that during the course of just one day, there were over 750 TEA Parties across these united states? More people attended those demonstrations than any other in the history of this country. To claim that those people were all just racially motivated idiots is to say that the entire country has made no social progress at all. That would not be a productive statement to make.
Jonathan Opperman Jonathan Opperman What media isn't a proven bias source? The collective bargaining in question is that of public sector union members. There is a conflict of interest that is created by their simultaneous positions as a union member and employee of the state. The legislation was specific. It did not effect the collective bargaining rights of private sector employees and their unions.
Here's another source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/27/ftn/main20036938.shtml
Jonathan Opperman Here's a quote from that CBS page, for your convenience.
"As protesters in Wisconsin embark on their 13th day of demonstrations against Republican Governor Scott Walker's plan to end the collective bargaining rights of teachers and other public service employees, Christie, in an appearance on CBS' "Face the Nation," expressed his faith that Walker was acting in the best interest of his state."
Jonathan Opperman Here. This page claims to have the actual text of the bill, so let's check it out together, shall we?
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Wisconsin_Act_10,_the_%22Scott_Walker_Budget_Repair_Bill%22_(2011)
I actually referenced more than one video. The link is a search. Actually, New Orleans was funded long before Katrina, but the funding was misappropriated by the Governor of the state, who was a Democrat, btw.
Not to mention the fact that Americans of all stripes came to the aid of New Orleans. It wasn't just a liberal effort, I can assure you.
Paul Adamson I'm not sure which economist you are refering to, but most of the links you are giving us are bias in themselves so I'd assume so are you economists. (Like Fox News) I've looked at the actual math that shows we would be only able to pay out so much, and something had to be cut eventually. What real economist were saying was that it might be our veterans, or soldiers, or social security, etc. You are also leaving out that the right didn't want to move forward without cuts they demanded to go along with it. Your idea of the public statement is false because the demand was still there. And they are doing it again with disaster relief. If you can't question your own philosophy you'll be stuck on repeat.
Who is it you really think is in charge, and taking the power? Liberals? If so, your amazingly willing to let your ideals blossum in your BS. Read history. Not your bias history, or Fox News, or MSNBC, but the history of change. Both sides are capable of amazing thing. Modern history, however, is the right changing the very way America functioned, starting with Reagan economic changes. It gave more control to those with money and killed the middle class. So really, republicans are closer to the totalitarians you fear.
Every point you've made I've heard debunked by unbias mediators or are simple idealism. I've seen your perspective(Tea Party, which i've run with for a while. Before I caught the whiff of ignorance disguised by rightousness) When is it your turn to see some other perspectives? Because you're defending clear acts made by republicans to put money into power. They have a recent history of shrinking the middle class, putting forth failed policies. I havn't once heard you say there were any vaild points in any liberal ideas yet they happen to work too. So do several Right wing ideas. Putting out conspiracy theories, acting like it's all totalitarian then defending one group (republicans) but canstigating the other, that isn't a balanced approach. Makes sense why you can't see what is and isn't bipartisan. When you go after republicans they are RINO's, not real republicans. How is that being open to other perspectives? How is it only true republicans are correct in their beliefs?
Liberals have, and still do, amazingly good things for this country, including making those saftey nets and turning around the economy that republicans (And the private sector) happened to have ruined. It's the idea that Tea Party ideals are right and no other that turned their ideals on it's head. Do you realize that both sides are guilty? I mean really know that. Or is that your way to seem unbias? Because you have blamed Obama for Bush mistakes (and failed policy, and economic downturns), placed ideas of conspiracies that would need the real and fake republicans on board to be realistically implimented, and leave many stones(except the ones that suit you) unturned. It shows, starting with Reagan and repeated over time, that strict ideology is damaging. And if it's totalitarianism, he started it, and started the deficit and economic turmoil. Deregulation, he did that. Not liberals. He stopped Union progression also.
I think you need to look in the mirror and reflect. Except, you seem wear a blindfold with RED on the back, so it's all you see. No reflection can be done that way. In all these comments, you have responded with very little (and bias) insight, and have not refuted my rebutles. History shows republicans (real or not, however you see it) are extremely faliable and you are propping up ideal that make it liberals fault. Slant, bias, denial, you mirror the very things you accuse everyone else of. ironically enough you've been talking to a critical thinking ex Tea Party supporter, and what you say is way too weak to support fact because you stick to the ideals and theories and use no critical thought. (Your 20% was the interest, not including already spent capital. So it wasn't so clear cut) I could go at this forever (Already feel that I have) but this site is annoying, shooting me to the top of the page after every line I type, so you can imagine how many times I've had to scroll down just to write this. I can honestly say it's been interesting, and informative. Mostly by you, Paul, and some others. But I see a lot of made up minds in an unclear world. That alone is too ignorant to really go anywhere. My only opinion I shared was with Palin, otherwise I've stated facts (Don't use Fox News, they say in their founding document they intend to repeat to make true, and use the 'you don't have to think to watch news' and well as other propaganda engines. It's INTENDED to be propaganda, so good it hides in plain sight. MSNBC is trying to copy that with minimal success) Your ideas, and those of the Tea Party are a small part of a much bigger puzzle, and you have to broaden your view to get real truth.
I can no longer respond to post, because it's too frustrating, but I may read on. I just ask that everyone realize your human, and faliable, and be open to the fact that you can be wrong. All of you.(And me, as you can see in some of these back and forths we've had) We are all rare, every human. The universe holds life nowhere else (nearby at least) with life, let alone people with critical minds. Appreciate those around you whether you agree with them or not.
Reagan made a deal with the Democrats in Congress. They lied to him and that's when the term gridlocked Congress was coined. The deficit increased because of those Democrats. Meanwhile, the economy boomed because of Reagan's tax cuts. It grew at an average close to 7% per year. Not like the 1% we have now.
Clinton's "surplus" was actually a "projected surplus." It never materialized.
Corporate Personhood: That's a good discussion in it's own right. I'm not yet decided on the matter. Here's a primer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood
Money doesn't rule. Resources rule. You can't eat gold and you can't put a price on the last Twinkie.
Paul Adamson Thank you Paul Adamson: WE ARE ONE RACE! THE HUMAN ONE! The idea of separate races is a construct by which to divide us…we are all MIKST!
Cynthia Sue Ralls Amen to that, Cynthia Sue Ralls!
Jonathan Opperman That's why, to everyone's surprise, the measures that were thought to be in place were not taken. The delay and the levi breech, itself, were both caused by state mismanagement.
Jonathan Opperman & Paul Adamson: Shooting an animal with a gun isn't hunting. That's so-called "sport." Bow & Arrow, Knife & Snare…that's hunting and the only reason for killing an animal should be for survival.
Paul Adamson just an opinion Paul…just an opinion!
Paul Adamson, there was nothing left to drain sir.. it was already wasted.. sometimes you have to burn the forest to get new growth.
We're all alike: we're all ethnic.
What makes us American is Freedom.
*+*GOD BLESS AMERICA*+*.
this IS NOT TRUE
Roxie McNames Paine You just go on believin' it ma.
Yo;u speak like a well educcated man Unc!
Yeah, I googled and my face was red. And the name of the song was Sixteen Tons. Corporations used to provide housing for workers on remote sites as well as a "Company Store". The Store sold goods at grossly inflated prices, but after working 6 16 hour days, most were to tired to walk 5 or more miles to town for supplies. So they used credit "chits" at the Company Store and paid at the end of the month when they were paid. Most employees owed more at the end of the month then they had earned so the lyric "St Peter don't you call me cause I can't go. I owe my soul to the company store". People if we don't study history we are doomed to repeat it. I want better for my kids then a company store and a debtors prison.
Thanks to those that read my article carefully and understood my point Joanne and Lori). Joanne Rex definitely read to much into my article. I specifically stated I don't like to use the race card, but what else could it be for him to be challenged on everything. Thanks for backing me up! Lori your point is right on target! They expect the president to make changes and things happen instantly. After eight years of President Bush and the economic burden that he put us in, they expect President Obama to snap his fingers and change everything over night. Like Lori said people want instant change and do not have the patients to wait.
what is racist is professing that being a constitutional conservative actively working to vote out the statist leaders currently holding power over the federal government can only be about skin color…the racist are folks who believe skin color has anything to do with anything
Who was it again that check Bush birth certificate, remind me I forgot who that was. As much as can't stand banker I would really hate to see what the economy would look like if all this bank went down we would walking around with bags of money just to get cheap coffee. Both wars including the WTF war in Iraq started during Bush and remember who final got the guy we was after the whole time. I love when people call the health care bill that's not perfect but help keep young people on their parents health obamacare because he does more than most.
Jonathan Opperman People of all political stripes did come to the aid of New Orleans. It wasn't just a liberal democratic effort. The Red Cross received record donations that month. Keep that in mind.
Lori Walters Is that what's happening? Is the forest being burned right now?
You've got the parties mixed up.
Jonathan Opperman "–Key quote from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. "When…asked this week when the chamber would move President Barack Obama’s much-hyped jobs bill, he punted. 'We’ll get to that,' he said, but first, 'I don’t think there are any more important jobs measures than China trade.'" – http://www.politico.com/huddle/0911/huddle885.html
What's Harry Reid up to?
Lori Walters That's just a cover for the fact that the current efforts are misguided and have not produced good results. We know that the repeal of Glass-Steagall turned out bad. Restoring that should have been a priority. Small business should have been stoked, rather than quenched. The economy should have been stabilized through re-assurances, instead of destabilized by constant threats of radical change. That's not hard stuff to see, so why are we still sideways? That looks deliberate to me.
One of the biggest problems with the social engineering that is going on are these poorly written regulations. ie "brackets," "tiers," "limits" and "thresholds." They betray the fact that the authors are not familiar with the smooth curves we learned to plot in junior high. We have meddling populists in office at a time when we need nerds.
Lori Walters Here's a simple example of a tax curve. Eliminate all deductions, except one. Establish a 20% flat tax and then add to that a standard deduction of $20,000 (adjusted with inflation/deflation.) Easy-Peasy.
Lori Walters "there was nothing left to drain sir.. it was already wasted.. sometimes you have to burn the forest to get new growth."
Is that what's happening now? Is the forest being deliberately burned? Will the new growth look like the old growth? Will it have to repeat the mistakes of the forest that came before it? Will the trees be "all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw?"
Paul Adamson it will never be kept equal, we all know that will not happen, no matter who's in office. It's the cogs and wheels sitting in the house and senate that make the system run not the guy in the big seat. It hasn't been "controlled" by the pres for over 40 years. Heaven help us too if nothing is learned from the mistakes of the last 8 years. As for the euphemism of burning old to get new, you gotta spend $$ to make $$$$.. I am not normally a negative person, I unfortunately believe however that we have not hit bottom yet, and if you want to lay the blame on the president then that's your right. That little snowball that started in March of 2003 was a avalanche by the time Obama took office.. no man, no party, no "tea party" will stop it that fast. It's easy for any of us to sit at our computers typing the perfect solutions to the troubles we face now. We would have it no easier than the president is now if we were in his shoes.
Lori Walters I agree with most of what you're saying. I don't lay it all on Obama. That's the way of the simpleton. Nor did I ever have faith in him as a "savior." I just wish he would be more open to advice. He's a populist politician, like almost everyone in office. This "us" and "them" game that's going on is not productive. I get that the stirring of hatred leads to campaign contributions, but that's just wickedness.
Lori Walters By the way, that quote came from a Rush song called, "The Tree." It's a fitting political allegory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWHEcIbhDiw
ooopse, I meant to type, "The Trees." My "s" key sticks sometimes.
Lori Walters Here's a nice song that suits the way I'm feeling about this thread today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv5NdvbkOFE
I agree with alec baldwin.
I couldn't disagree MORE with Ms Dunhill's take on Mr Freeman and the Tea Party. First of all the Tea Party is a movement, NOT a PARTY that want to take America back to it's roots, It's a Grassroots Organization which is ready in a moment of time to call national awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty or domestic tranquility of the United States of America. We challenge the president because at EVERY turn he goes AGAINST those principles and his failed policies, not to mention his UNCONSTITUTIONAL OVERREACHING LAW BREAKING.
As for Mr. Freeman, I believe he should keep his racist views to himself, unless and until he is running for an office. Having $$ and/or fame doesn't give you the right to spout off your bigoted views.
Its not often I side with Alec but in this case he's right! shocker…..
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Paul Adamson. I now need to subjugate those poorer than me in a big business to show my independence? We should probably stop public education and bow down to large corporations to show our independence and freedom from those awful Liberal ideals of equality.