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Category: Technology Author : Duncan Riley Posted: January 5, 2009
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FriendFeed Haters: You’re Doing it Wrong!


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FriendFeed would appear to this year’s Twitter in a bad way, with haters coming out of the woodwork to knock the service. We covered some of a latest round Jan 3, in particular arguments relating to FriendFeed’s traffic. FriendFeed’s founder Paul Buchheit tackled the growth path in an excellent post here.

One recurring meme is that FriendFeed is too busy, and that it will never become popular because they’ve targeted the product at first adopters and techies. Sarah Lacy on a post I missed the other day:

…the company has instead relied on bloggers and tech publications to spread the word. That is myopic and naive. It’s one thing to be a lean startup with no marketing department. It’s another to pretend even the biggest cheerleaders in the Valley ecosystem will be enough to make your company a mainstream product. After all, early adopters tend to treat Web startups like fads. It’s the “real people” who build a sustainable, real business. LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook– they all get that and that’s why they don’t cater features to the Valley elite’s power users.

FriendFeed haters, you’re doing it wrong!

First, Twitter and to some extent LinkedIn were both popular in the same circles before they became popular, but that’s beside the point, because the contention is incorrect.

FriendFeed would be one of the least tech focused spaces I spend time in, and the “usual” suspects in the first adopter crowd (with a couple of notable exceptions, like Robert Scoble) have long left the service. What remains is for all intents and purposes is not primarily an aggregator of content, although the service is built around aggregation, but a social network, and a social network that isn’t dominated in terms of participation (the top users by followers list is disingenuous) by first adopters/ techies.

The noise issue is an easy mistake to make, and it’s a mistake I famously made when I first tried the service this time last year. It can look noisy upfront, but so to can a lot of other things, Twitter and feed readers immediately come to mind. It’s once you look into FriendFeed properly you get the value, and you’re able to get the best out of it in a manageable fashion. The introduction of Lists last year for example makes following the people you want extremely easy, even for the non-technically inclined. Add to that filters that are often a click or two to play: for example, I filter out all Twitter entries unless someone else comments on them or likes them, so I maybe only see half of what I’d otherwise be seeing. You can filter ad finitum to match your own likes.

Adolescence

The one thing I will say for FriendFeed is I still feel that it doesn’t know yet what it wants to be. The haters are quick to call noise on the aggregation side, but it’s so much more than that; likewise those making that call haven’t really spent quality time on it or really interacted. There’s nothing richer than someone complaining that no one is commenting or liking their content when they never regularly log in and participate either; you get out of FriendFeed what you put into it. That ecosystem of sharing, likes and discussion is a rich social network, but where will it end up heading?

Buchheit isn’t giving anything away unfortunately, but I can see a couple of paths. Throw some better social networking features on top and you have a full blown social network (profiles in particular come to mind). Add the ability to direct message users and you’ve got a potential Twitter alternative. Improve the aggregation side into something a little more manageable and you’re into full blown feed reader territory. Improve the two way interaction with aggregated services and you have a social network manager.

I don’t know which way it will go, but I know with absolute certainty from my experience on FriendFeed that this isn’t a product that is being pitched to, or exclusively being used in the realm of first adopters and techies. Those people using the service are already spreading the word, and the need for centralized aggregation continues to increase as more people sign up to multiple services. That it could be doing better is something that is not unfair to say, but likewise they’re also leading the space and setting the service for future growth. FriendFeed could well end up being the next Twitter, but in a good way, that is in terms of success.

(img credit: Jesse Stay on Picasa)



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  • sidharth
    The filters have really made it easy for me to remove noise. You can remove twitter entries, Friends entries etc which make you see only what you want to see. Nothing is perfect but enough work done by the team to make me believe that lots of improvements are on the way. I am neither a techie or an early adopter but I like the way friendfeed allows me to listen to diverse views on a topic. Also I reads lots of stories first time on friendfeed / twitter
  • What noise? Friendfeed has filters. There's no reason why a mainstream user can't just choose to just see their friends flickr picks or youtube videos....
  • Is this Scobez's sarcastic face?
  • re: friendfeed's adolescence and indecision... is what you perceive as not knowing which way they want to go intentional? I've been thinking that way lately as a result of some of the things I've heard Bret Taylor say in conversations with Steve Gillmor and Scoble, and also Paul B. (EDIT:oops, sorry Ben G., not Paul B.) in the recent FFundercats podcast. Do they need to pick only one of the directions you've outlined? Might they just as well pick two or all three?
  • Jim: they should build a platform that enables all sorts of weirdness and wackyness. They should never listen to the users. Why? Well, let's say I'm a Porsche owner. Now, ask me what I want. Let's see. Smoother ride. More leg room. Bigger trunk. Well, I just asked for a Volvo.
  • Tad: I wish I had time to do photomemes tonight. Sigh.
  • FriendFeed Lovers: You're doing it right!
  • what if weirdness and wackiness are what we want? What if that fills a niche that no one else is filling? What if other social networks are not just narrow, but myopic? Or were you just being ironic?
  • Scoble, don't you have a camera on your cell phone? mail2ff or pikchur will make meme cooperation more than possible
  • There hasn't been many social sites that can capture & hold me for very long (beyond a month). If FF has done that (and it has) it is doing something right. This is the one for me. If you have a good understanding of how FF works, and you have done your part to try to participate by commenting & liking things, and friending people that share content you like, and it's not for you, oh well...go back to one of those ones I found boring. You'll be happier there.
  • April, couldn't agree more. I spend more time here than any other service now, and like you I've never really been one to be easily captured
  • Jim, absolutely they could do a combination there in. I just wonder though if Paul and team know which ones though :-) I'm not saying they wont have an idea of direction, but I've heard Paul say before how FF has already gone in directions they didn't expect, so I see part of this as the site evolving. Still, ultimately you need to pin down your end game to hit the target
  • Rahsheen: that photo is of me showing an error message on Twitter.
  • always ahead of the game Robert...
  • Rahsheen: Jesse Stay took that photo right before I went into Twitter: http://picasaweb.google.com/jessestay/2008530Fu...
  • I was just pointing out that participating in photo memes is super easy :)
  • April and Duncan: I have a theory on why that is: because everything is decentralized here. The view, the moderation, etc. Very different from old-school BBS's.
  • I still find it funny that I wore a friendfeed shirt into a pretty interesting meeting at Twitter. I should wear my twitter shirt into friendfeed just to be fair!
  • Rasheen: the photo seemed apt. Hit two memes: Scoble had the FF t-shirt on (which is how I found it in Google), and then the fail message on the iPhone tied into the "you're doing it wrong" part. Actually, matching like that isn't always easy. Hat tip to Jesse Stay on the pic as well (linked in the post with credit)
  • YES! Robert, you hit it right on the head. It's decentralized. I am one of those people that feel more comfortable in a chatroom on irc with an auto-admin bot that op's everyone than Myspace or Facebook, or even better, my own decentralized chatroom, hosted on my own PC, as part of a rogue underground P2P network. And I thrive in the middle of what some people would call chaos, disorder, insanity, or anarchy. (and I noticed that most that can't handle environments like that usually make the most drama)
  • April, Robert agree to a point. It's a safer,more friendly version of IRC, but it does tap into those raw conversations many of us use to have there.
  • I m using friendfeed from a week.. it's good if u ask me..
  • Why does it say that Robert Scoble has long since left FF?
  • Nice job on this post Duncan, extra points for the cool Scoble photo! :)
  • Where's the evidence that it's being used beyond first adopters, I see no anecdotal stuff supporting the assertion. To the contrary the first adopters are taking up an even greater proportion of the space to sell product. No one in main street is using it, they're on facebook.
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