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Florida Mother Being Forced Into Cesarean Section By Hospital And Judge – She Doesn’t Want It

Judge Allows Forced Cesarean

7/27/2014 Update:

Statement from Jennifer Goodall: “Thank you to everyone from around the country and the world for the outpouring of support. I welcomed my son into the world after laboring, consenting to surgery when it became apparent that it was necessary because labor was not progressing. This was all I wanted to begin with. I am grateful to the medical staff at another hospital who assisted us in a safe and healthy delivery. Now, my family’s focus is on welcoming our newborn into our family with love, and on my physical and emotional recovery from the intensity of the last few days.”

Jennifer has a healthy baby, but was not forced into surgery. There is an enormous difference between agreeing to a cesarean when it is evident that it is necessary, and being forced into a cesarean surgery, or other intervention, such as induction of labor, against a mother’s will.

One is liberty; the other tyranny.

Original report:

Do Constitutional Rights no longer apply to pregnant women? That is what some are asking in the case of a Florida mother whose hospital is trying to force her to have a cesarean section, even though it is not medically required.

The National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) today issued a press release, saying, “Florida Hospital Says It Will Force Pregnant Woman To Have Cesarean Surgery.” The hospital is also threatening to report Jennifer Goodall to child protective services if she doesn’t comply with their demands.

Jennifer Goodall is a mother of three from Cape Coral, Florida, who wants to have what is known as a trial of labor (TOL) with the baby that she is due with now. She has reached her decision after much study and research into the benefits and risks of VBAC (vaginal birth after cesarean) versus repeat cesarean. Her previous three children were born via cesarean, and Ms. Goodall has decided that she wants to give this baby and her body the benefit of a normal birth, “unless and until medical complications during labor necessitate medical intervention.” She plans to give birth at a hospital that is well-equipped in the relatively small chance that a complication should arise.

According to NAPW, the Chief Financial Officer of Bayfront Health Port Charlotte sent a letter to Ms. Goodall on July 10, 2014, informing her that:

“because she decided to have a trial of labor before agreeing to cesarean surgery, her prenatal care providers intended to report her to the Department of Children and Family Services, seek a court order to perform surgery, and to perform cesarean surgery on her ‘with or without [her] consent’ if she came to the hospital.”

This decision by the hospital is a violation of medical ethics, as well as of ACOG’s own standards of ethics. ACOG is the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. The ACOG Committee on Ethics made the following statement in 2010:

“Court-ordered interventions in cases of informed refusal, as well as punishment of pregnant women for their behavior that may put a fetus at risk, neglect the fact that medical knowledge and predictions of outcomes in obstetrics have limitations.”

Additionally, the Committee stated:

“[Even if] a woman’s autonomous decision [seems] not to promote beneficence-based obligations (of the woman or the physician) to the fetus,… the obstetrician must respect the patient’s autonomy, continue to care for the pregnant woman, and not intervene against the patient’s wishes, regardless of the consequences.”

Forced Cesarean Surgery

The standards of care and obstetric protocols and recommendations are binding upon doctors, but not on the patient. In recent years, some physicians have forgotten that patients do, indeed, have the rights to informed consent and informed refusal. Constitutional rights do not end at the front door of the hospital. It appears that some believe that medical protocols and recommendations are actually laws that apply to patients, as in the case reported by The Inquisitr of the mother blackmailed into a vaccine for her newborn. They are not laws, and patients, and their parents, still retain the legal right to refusal.

However, the position of ACOG on medical ethics, as well as a number of Constitutional principles, is being ignored and violated at present in the case of Jennifer Goodall. It was also ignored in the case of Rinat Dray, a Staten Island woman who was forced into a cesarean. The Inquisitr reported her story of abuse from the medical system that has resulted in a lawsuit against her doctor and hospital.

Cases like this are often taken to a judge by the doctor or hospital in search of a court order to force the mother into a cesarean, or force a family to abide by a medical decision that the family disagrees with. As an example, consider FOX‘s analysis of Justina Pelletier’s situation. Usually, these “emergency hearings” result in the judge siding with the doctor.

That is what has happened in Ms. Goodall’s case. In what NAPW is calling “one of the most perplexing” parts about the judge’s decision, the judge has twisted around the difference between “normal” and a “procedure.”

On June 25, attorney Patricia E. Kahn filed a complaint in federal court on behalf of Goodall seeking a restraining order to prevent the hospital from forcing the cesarean. “Judge John E. Steele denied the request, stating, in part, that Ms. Goodall has no ‘right to compel a physician or medical facility to perform a medical procedure in the manner she wishes against their best medical judgment.'”

But that is not what is happening at all in this case. Normal labor and birth are not “procedures” at all. Carla Hartley of the Trust Birth Initiative says that “birth is a normal function of biology.” It will happen with or without assistance. It is life.

Pregnant Mom Being Forced Into Cesarean

“[O]ur client is the one trying to avoid a compelled medical procedure,” argues Farah Diaz-Tello, Staff Attorney for NAPW. “Deciding whether and when to consent to surgery is a constitutionally protected right.”

The judge is neither a doctor, nor, in most cases, a mother who has done the extensive research into the issue, as this mother has. In these quickly-held hearings, the mother is not typically allowed to present evidence in her defense.

However, when the cases are appealed, the mother, or her representatives if the procedure resulted in her death, is allowed to have legal representation and to present evidence on her behalf. When that happens, invariably the mother wins. However, it is a hollow victory at that point, because her rights have already been violated, and she has already been forced into a cesarean that she neither wanted, needed, nor consented to. It is a post de facto victory.

Diaz-Tello explains that:

“every appellate court to rule on this issue on a full record has held that pregnant women retain their constitutional rights, including rights to medical decision-making and bodily-integrity. ‘No woman should fear that because she’s pregnant, she can be threatened, coerced, or deprived of her constitutional rights.'”

The actions of the hospital are “troubling,” according to Mary Faith Marshall, PhD, Director of the Center for Biomedical Ethics and Humanities at the University of Virginia School of Medicine. “Given the clear statements from ACOG’s Committee on Ethics and other professional groups that coerced or court-ordered medical procedures are not ethically justified, it is stunning that a hospital would threaten such an action.”

It is important to note that Ms. Goodall believes that her decision is a sound one, based on research and evidence:

“My decision to allow labor to proceed before consenting to a surgical intervention is based on years of research, careful consideration of the risks to me and my baby, and my family’s needs. All I want is to be able to go to the hospital when I’m in labor and have my medical decisions respected – and my decision is to proceed with a trial of labor and not have cesarean surgery unless some medical complication arises that makes cesarean surgery necessary for my or my baby’s health. Instead of respecting my wishes like they would for any other patient, my health care providers have made me fear for my safety and custody of my children. The people who are supposed to be caring for me and my baby have put me into an even more dangerous situation. I know I’m not the only one to go through this; I’m speaking out because pregnant women deserve better.”

Her situation is still very precarious. Her complaint filed in an attempt to prevent the hospital from literally holding her down and cutting her open has been denied. She has not yet had her baby, but is due at any moment.

Improving Birth has set up a petition here to support Ms. Goodall in her fight against the forced cesarean, which says, “Do Not Force Jennifer Goodall Into Surgery.”

She is being denied “due process of law,” the “right to liberty,” and “equal protection under the law.” (See the Constitution of the United States). The fact that she is pregnant does not negate her Constitutional rights, although that is what is happening currently to Jennifer Goodall as she faces being forced into a cesarean.

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101 Responses to “Florida Mother Being Forced Into Cesarean Section By Hospital And Judge – She Doesn’t Want It”

  1. Kat Glover

    well a lot depends on the way her previous C-sections were done. one way they cut you they don't recommend having natural child birth once one way is done but then there is another way one is up and down cut to deliver C-section the other is a bikini cut from side to side and I can tell you from first hand experience not only once but 2 times I have natural birth then a c -section then natural birth again and then a c- section and I can not have any more children now but it is possible to have natural after c- section is all I can say so good luck with your law suit and may you win in this case as it is up to you how you choose to proceed with the birth of your child I mean knowing full well that there could maybe be complications and have to have a c- section anyway I think it is only normal for a woman to want to give natural birth verses c- section so kudos to you and I wish you the best in this situatuation

  2. Wendy Bryan

    The obstetrician can't schedule a tee time when he doesn't know when labor will begin. With C-section, he schedules it at his convenience.

  3. Chantelle Walker

    War against women not true? Yeah, put your laws where your month is.

  4. Natasha Moneymaker

    Everyone needs to stay out of the business of the mother unless she is recklessly endangering the fetus!!! Good grief!! You cannot force someone into having a surgery, needed or not!!

  5. Gail Elis

    I hope she files a big fat suit against the so-called doctor, hospital and anyone else that tried to coerce her into having a c-section. I guess they forgot that a c-section is far more dangerous to both mother and baby than a vaginal birth. I wish her much luck!

  6. Timothy Murphy

    lets also remember this (unless im totally mistaken, would not be the first or last time). While c-section deliveries are generally the faster (and easily plan able) method of delivery, I believe they are more expensive not only as a procedure, but don't they also incur longer hospital stays (and the boatloads of money those longer stays generate)?

  7. Becky Young

    why not just go to another hospital out of the county or city where she lives she can do that. Is she bound to this particular facility and physician?

  8. Robert Reed

    These Fla. Judges have lost their frigging minds. They don't even read the complaint properly or research the procedures. What gives them the right to dictate what a woman has done to her body. If she was of a certain religious group the Drs would not be allowed near her even if she and the baby where dying. This like most Judges in FLA. Need to be thrown off the bench.

  9. Anonymous

    And will she sue when her uterus ruptures and 20 people have to rush in to try to save her and her child? just wondering…have seen it happen, and neither of them made it out alive.

  10. Anonymous

    You did read that tiny detail that she has already had three C births, right?

  11. Anonymous

    Right, and then do you think it would be ok if her uterus ruptures and the docs shrug their shoulders and walk away saying…well, that's what she wanted.

  12. John Jennifer Jeppson

    None of the surrounding 3 counties have hospitals that allow VBAC's of any kind.

  13. Debbie Rasmussen

    For a second I thought I was in Pakistan or Saudi – isn't this America?

  14. Anonymous

    Ohh come on give her husband a break, the Doc says it's ok, why stretch things out! Maybe her husband would like a snapper after the child is born. Who is the judge to decide!! Feel bad for the husband especially if he has a small pipe.

  15. Caleb J Fielding

    the problem is family court can do whatever it wants too because you are not allowed a jury trial in family court. Many many INSANE rulings have been issued by family court because your constitutional right to a jury trial is thrown out because family is involved. This is something you should be calling your congressman over.

  16. Daniel Barger

    The judge who thinks he is god needs to be tarred and feathered and the hospital needs to be shuttered.
    This insanity of institutions and petty tyrants imposing their will on others will be the destruction of freedom if it isn't ended in a publicly and definitively.

  17. Vanessa Rivera

    Here is what this article is missing: How old is she? How recent was her last c-section? Did she consult with a VBAC friendly OBGYN (make the drive to find one! They do exist in Florida but are very very very hard to find) to learn her chances of a successful TOL and VBAC? Why were her three previous deliveries c-sections? Were the babies too big (like a case of a 5 foot woman having a 10lb baby, that is a c-sec no questions asked)? Is she a high risk pregnancy? Did the prenatal care provider explain to her WHY she has to undergo another c-section and is not allowed to do a TOL? If she is recklessly endangering the life of herself and her child and won't listen to reason when presented with medical evidence for her c-section, then the hospital can peruse a court order to circumvent her decision making. I can't imagine that she did not bother to talk to either her doctor or OBGYN about the risks of a fourth pregnancy and birth to her and her baby before conception. No health care provider in their right mind would miss out on informing the patient about a procedure because of the fear of being sued. The fact alone she had three c-sections done and now wants to do a vbac for the fourth child sounds really really risky. I get the impression from the article that her prenatal care provider didn't even consent to allowing her to do a vbac and she lives in areas where vbac is not practiced. If she truly wanted a vbac, I'm sure she could have found a certified midwife or doula at a birthing center that would have been able to support her. Or did she not even consider that at the fear of being ostracized by friends, family and "real" medical providers (yes nurses and doctors WILL look down on you and speak poorly to you if you walk into a hospital for a c-section after having a certified midwife/doula as your prenatal care provider and not an OBGYN. Welcome to America -_-). Maybe she did talk to one or several and got turned away because she didn't qualify for a trial of labor. If this were a woman with her first pregnancy being forced into c-section when she is perfectly capable of delivering normally out of convenience of the hospital and doctor, then heck yea right are being violated. Birth is a very stressful experience for both mother and child! No one should be forced into a c-section without being properly informed of both the reason it's being done AND the risks. Doing research on your own is not enough, you have to talk to your doctors. Also why on earth is it necessary to threaten her existing children by threatening to report her to child protective services? They have nothing to do with this! Where is the father? is she married? What does he have to say about all this? More information is needed!

  18. Sarah Singleton

    I would agree that there could be more information. But it sounds like you are rather biased against this woman. Her first c-section may have been unnecessary, as most are. The WHO says that a reasonable caesarean rate is 5-10%. It's 30% in the USA. That means that 20% of births in this country result in unnecessary surgery. I doubt her doctors were willing to have a serious discussion about permitting a VBAC, if they are going to this extent to force her into having a c-section. As you say, we don't know what happened there or what her risk factors are. Neither party has a crystal ball here, to know whether the outcome of either VBAC or c-section would be better in this particular case. But medical ethics dictate that she should have choice in her care.

  19. Michele Kelton Stone

    The uterine incision may be different than the abdominal one as one may be classical and one may be bikini or known as low transverse one has a greater chance of rupture and wit 3 C sections already means the uterine tissue is compromised.

  20. Patricia Faulkner Cisek

    Ironically, the hospital makes extra money from the c section. Talk about a conflict of interest.

  21. Patricia Faulkner Cisek

    Perhaps you need more information. Fortunately, it's not your decision to make and the law is on her side. We still have rights in this country although we continue to give them up to the nanny state.

  22. Richard Munche

    I ran a search through the Lee County Clerk's office, Charlotte County Clerk's office and Dade County Clerk's office. There are no cases listing Jennifer Goodall as a party. Other articles about this state that the "mother" is from Coral Gables, not Cape Coral. Port Charlotte (where the "hospital" is located) is not particularly close to either Cape Coral or Coral Gables. Further, based on the scant facts provided in this article casts the entire argument as suspect. The position of the Courts indicated in the article seems so overwhelmingly unreasonable as to require there to be more to the story than what was written.

  23. Amy Hanson Johnson

    I'm thinking her time for a vaginal birth has come and gone. After 3 csections, the risks for rupture must be pretty high. I understand not wanting another surgery, but then perhaps she should not get pregnant again. Also, what are the reasonsfor her previous sections? That must also factor in to her potential ability to actually give birth vaginally. She is being foolhardy with her life and her baby's life. If she were to do a tol, think of the lawsuit that would follow if anything happened to her or her baby.

  24. Resa Pittman

    Like the article read, she has researched the issue extensively ( more than the judge who decided againt her) and has weighed the pros and cons, She has a right to her own autonomy and has the right of refusal. I am sure she knows better than you do.

  25. Resa Pittman

    She already knows this and has decided that for herself, in her situation, she will take the risk. She gets to decide and she has decided based on her own experience and knowledge on the subject.

  26. Ann Cole

    She has a much better chance of dying in a car crash on the way to the hospital then having her uterus rupture. So in that case she should just stay home and hope for the best.

  27. Vanessa Rivera

    Edited the post for some fail typos and to question the sources of her research ^^;. Yes we do have rights in this country and the c-section rate is ridiculously high. Right now I'm in my second pregnancy and I feel very lucky that I found an OBGYN that is going to let me do a ToL (my first born was a c-section) and VBAC as long as the circumstances when birthing time comes around are all in favor of allowing it to happen. My first baby was too big. He was born weighing 10lbs, 2.6 ounces and I'm just a wee hair over 5 foot tall woman. Genetics came into play from the father's side. I was perfectly healthy throughout my first pregnancy. I had no issues with sugar, blood pressure, nothing abnormal. My case was one where c-section was the only option, but that decision was made at the end (literally just a few days before I went into labor). I was presented with all the evidence from more than one doctor and understood why it had to be that way. Hell I even fought with my doctor to just give me a chance to do a trial of labor and he would have let me if the baby had been smaller. I was prepared for a natural labor and birth, but sometimes nature changes those plans. I know I didn't have a c-section out of convenience. I had to undergo being cut open like a cassava melon because it was medically necessary. I spent years also researching VBAC (Google, medical journals and articles, online communities where mothers who have VBACS share their experiences, ect), but I also talked to my doctors about it AND found a VBAC friendly OBGYN to consult about my own chances before I even conceived a second time. Elective c-sections are wrong, but that is my own personal preference. C-sections done out of convenience and/or to make more money for the doctor and hospital are just wrong and unethical. If she's being forced into it for that and not because it's medically necessary, then her rights are being violated and an investigation needs to be done. The article itself doesn't tell us if it's medically necessary for her to undergo another c-section and why they arrived at that conclusion.

  28. Alisa Lantrip

    It's funny that they are so worried about the fetus in a normal birth, but if she decided to have an abortion instead no one would say anything.

  29. Jay Fitzgerald

    If she cancelled her insurance the problem would be solved immediately!

  30. Nilsa AlmostDr Elias

    In my case I was forced to try VBAC even thou my previous 2 sections proved I couldn't deliver the babies (too big and no progress in the labor). And I really did not want to try…at the end my baby ended in distress and they have to do an emergency c-section anyway and the baby was in NICU 4 days!!! What is it going to take for women's rights to be respected by healthcare providers?

  31. Jim Thibault

    I bet a real easy answer could be found out to this, how much more does the hospital get paid for a C-section than a normal child birth ? Seems to me that they have a chance to get paid for both here, Ist for a normal birth and if that does not work then for the C-section

  32. Nandu Nandini

    So, why does this constitutional right to a woman's body not apply when she needs an abortion.

  33. Kathy Armstrong

    C Sections are much more convenient for the doctors. They don't have to get up in the middle of the night to deliver the baby. They can just schedule it during their normal working hours. The hospital has forgotten that the patient has rights.

  34. John Jennifer Jeppson

    I wouldn't matter if she did- the hospitals in the 3 surrounding counties don't allow VBAC of any kind.

  35. Monica Blackerby

    There is actually more risk to the mother from a repeat c-section than from a VBAC. I should know, I did a LOT of research on the matter and have a successful VBAC at Broward Hospital. I had to go to Broward even though I live in Miami-Dade because no Miami-Dade hospital allows VBACs anymore. Ever wonder why? It's not just out of the fear of lawsuits, its money related. With my 2nd son I had a c-section. Baptist charged my insurance company over $17,000 for the delivery and hospital stay. With my 3rd child I had the VBAC and Broward General only charged $4,000+ for the delivery and stay. Which charge do you think the hospital prefers to bill for? It's such a scam. That's why some hospitals are reporting 70% c-section rates, up from 15-20% max just 25 years ago. That's crazy! You need to be your own advocate and find a medical team that will support your decision. That was her first mistake, mot finding the right Dr. I'll see if I can find her name on Facebook and give her the name of my OB who has over a 95% success rates with VBACs.

  36. Monica Blackerby

    John Jennifer Jeppson Broward county is 2 hours away from her and Broward General DOES allow VBACs. I just had one in May 2012 and it went beautifully!

  37. Resa Pittman

    Monica Blackerby That is incredibly helpful and thoughtful of you. I hope you find her. That poor woman. I can just imagine how betrayed and angry I would feel.

  38. Anonymous

    While I absolutely respect her decision to deliver her baby the way she wants, what about the doctors' right to refuse to see a patient? A VBAC after multiple c-sections is more dangerous than after just one c-section, and if they've never had a vaginal delivery at all. I'm happy she wants to do whatever she wants to do. I support her completely, but you have to understand that the hospital and doctor are at higher risk for a lawsuit if things go bad, and there is a higher risk of things going bad. I'm not saying it's not possible for her to have a good VBAC, I'm just saying the risks are higher now and I can understand the doctor and the hospital not wanting to take that gamble. They're the ones who will get sued. I think they should have the right to refuse to treat her and tell her to go elsewhere. Now, if I was her, I'd go to another hospital and lie to them about her prior birth experiences so she can have her VBAC. That way, the hospital is absolved by her lies, and she gets to do what she wants. Either that or get a midwife and try for a home delivery.

  39. Donna Aquino

    Between this and the horrific Justina Pelletier case – and investigation shows that she was not the only similar case – the collusion between dictatorial hospitals and judges is getting quite scary. Florida judges are already notorious for awarding total guardianship of any patient who seems even slightly confused in a hospital setting, as guardianship is a highly profitable industry. Time for some reform of what hospitals, aided by judges, can force patients to do, or we will all be surrendering our rights upon admission!

  40. Anonymous

    This should ? be a wake up call on HOW MANY women rights are respected and be protected UNDER OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AND OBAMACARE,…You girls love him , do not complain , wait to Sharia law be adopted here .
    A healthy woman , CAN NOT DECIDE HOW TO HAVE HER BABY???
    And , so you know , it is not Florida Judges , is OBAMACARE , and Pelosi's ideas (since she can not have babiesTHANK YOU GOD…
    Since your kids start kindergarten , and now from birth , they not really belong to you , belongs to the communist state.. And they are LEARNING that in schools …welcome to the CHANGE , forget your HOPE. ,

  41. John Jennifer Jeppson

    Monica Blackerby, thanks for the info! I should have specified that the closest hospitals surrounding her do not allow them. It's ridiculous that a woman, especially a mother of young children, is being told she must drive several hours or even move to a different state during her pregnancy, to receive the care she is requesting and to be allowed to DENY care she does not wish to have!

  42. Monica Blackerby

    John Jennifer Jeppson I hear you and I totally agree. I had to drive 1 hour 1/2 to all my Dr. appointments too as no one in Miami-Dade county would allow me to do a VBAC. In fairness, I found one Dr. in my county that would allow me to try but no hospitals allow it. They don't ooficially ban it but it's called a defacto ban as they have no stats for VBACs. I did a LOT of research before becoming pregnant again as my c-section traumatized me. I needed to be sure I could attempt a VBAC before getting pregnant. There are VBAC friendly forums where you can find doctors that support this movement. In Broward only 1 hospital and 1 Dr. allow it, which is crazy/ But he does have a 95% success rate. I think I found her on Facebook and just sent her a message. I hope she gets it in time and can attempt it. :)

  43. Sonya Mangum

    I moved to Miami, FL a couple of weeks before my third child was born. My obstetrician back in NC had told me there would be no problem with my son being born naturally but when I went to Jackson Memorial in Miami and was in labor they told me that I had no choice, I had to have a c-section b/c the doctors on staff weren't my prenatal care providers. My choices were to have the c-section or leave the hospital, ridiculous.

  44. Angela Price Edwards

    This is such BS. I am a mother of 3 c-section and I had my 4th baby as a vaginal birth. It is much easier than you think. I healed a lot faster and my daughter was 9lbs and 1oz. She was perfect and I had no complications at all. She needs to sue their ass' off.

  45. John Jennifer Jeppson

    Monica Blackerby , I'm glad to hear you got the VBAC you wanted and were able to share the info with her and others! ImprovingBirth.org could use a mom like you; come check us out!

  46. Jody Stafford

    The old adage that once you have a C-section you always have to have a C-section is so outdated. Many women have gone on to have normal childbirth with another pregnancy. Where are the doctors reasons for insisting on this. What evidence do they have that it is a necessity in this woman's case?

  47. Sarah Singleton

    Vanessa Rivera Good luck with your VBAC. Like you, my first was a c-section. I had medical complications which made it necessary. I've since had two VBACS and I'm very happy with that decision.

  48. Jody Stafford

    and what about all of those dr's that induce labor so it doesn't interrupt their weekend and vacation plans.

  49. Monica Blackerby

    Resa Pittman thank you :). I think I found her (different last name but same town and big pregnant belly pic). I sent her a Facebook message. I hope she gets it in time. I'm pretty sure my Dr. could help her. Fingers crossed…

  50. Reggie Wood

    We just found out we're about to have another child and i will be paying a lot more attention to the doctor this time, last time we were told that if it doesn't happen naturally because of some problem after a set time we would discuss a c-section, well about two hours before her next check while I'm down on the other end of the hospital i get a call that they're rushing her into surgery now. i get back to the room only to see them pushing her out and saying its to late for me to even be in the same room with her,thinking the worse was happening i waited scared until everything was finished, only to find out that there was nothing at all wrong, and there was no need for her to actually have a c-section even though they told her she needed it before pushing her out the door. the real reason, she was taking longer then they hopped and they didn't want to have to call the doctor back to the hospital later so they made her do it early so he could go home and not have to worry about coming back when the baby was naturally ready. So they basically scare you into just doing it at there convenience when you're the most vulnerable.

  51. Laniah Robey

    This hits way to close to home. I am about to have my third child in ten weeks and I am attempting VBAC have 2 previous unnecessary c-sections. I had to move to a bigger city to even do this because my hometown hospital didnt "do" VBAC's. Not to mention that even know it seems like my OB doesnt think I have a very good chance…how could I not have a very good chance when labor and vaginal birth is natural? Its all ridiculous. Someone who hasnt had a csection cannot understand the depth of the need to have vaginal birth, that most of us need that experience. Good luck and stick to your grounds!

  52. Anonymous

    Very interesting. In 2010 my daughter went in to have her 1st child. Hospital was to do their thing until labor progressed. They did their things, not correctly as we have come to find out, when labor did not progress after 12 or so hours the nurses start pushing for a C-section. My daughter was determined she did not want one. When the Dr arrived he argued with the nurses then found out they never even broke her water. After her water was broke she delivered a beautiful baby girl about an hour later. However due to some of the stuff the nurses did do she ended up with other complications. I had 4 natural births & was there for hers she was at the same stage I was with my 1st when all my dr did was break my water 10 hours later my 1st was born. I truly believe that had they broke her water when she arrived at the hospital she would have delivered much sooner. They even gave her pit, which she apparently reacted to, without rupturing her water. They seemed to be bent on a c-section.

  53. Peggy Buchanan Whited

    The thought of "once a cesarean always a cesarean" changed many years ago. My daughter and a C-section and later had a natural birth of a 9.5 lb baby without complications. I think this woman needs to go to a different hospital. I would also sue the hospital for threatening her. You can't ever do an invasive procedure on someone without their consent.

  54. Patrick Norton

    Florida has been harvesting organs off pregnant females extensively this year. Real high rate of deaths with donor on drivers licenses. Ignored of course with all the new laws granting immunities to doctors who assist in suicides. Obviously women are still too insignificant to matter in the United States.

  55. Elizabeth Lethers

    Well she should go to another hoospital and doctor willing to do a vbac a lot of hospitals are not wanting to do vbacs on people who have had multiple csections because the risks are a lot more dangerous now if you only had 1 csection or successful vbacs they will allow you to get one

  56. Ronnie Royal

    I studied this because of my situation with past pregnancy. There was an article written years ago. It has been misconstrued that women with previous c sections must not have a vaginal birth with following pregnancies. The way the article is written is confusing. But it does state subsequent pregnancies can have vaginal births. Drs like c sections. Less work better scheduling. Also depends on type of previous c section. How the incision was done.

  57. Lisa Kazmier

    I'd pack up and move immediately to find a doctor that actually serves his/her patient, not the golf schedule.

  58. Katie Burns

    I hope she sues and becomes rich and writes a book. I also hope the doctor is fired and loose their medical license and I hope that hospital looses business. The women has a right to want aa vaginal birth until there is a medical reasons for her not to. Us women need to stand up and make sure we are not taking advantage of and if that means going all the way to the Supreme court. And children services can't do anything to her, she hasn't done anything wrong and if they try she can sue Them also

  59. Katie Burns

    That's good idea but she isn't going to know when she goes into labor and might not have the time to get there

  60. Katie Burns

    She did extensive research on her specific case and so she made an informed decision and it should be respected and no judge should have gotten involved. She is an American citizen who has the right to do what she wants with her body as long as the baby is not in harm. This isn't the first case where the government has decided what a woman should do and it should be the last. The government has no place telling woman what they should do with their bodies

  61. Michelle Pelletier

    Maybe have the men who are dictating this circus have to go through a C Section. I am pregnant with my first baby and I have expressed to my doctor that under no circumstances, unless medical emergency, do I want a C Section. Simple abdominal laproscropy was excruciatingly painful and I am not agreeing to a C Section unless myself or my baby are in danger. Thankfully, I have an excellent doctor and from Day 1 has said he has no problem complying with my wishes. In fact, he recommends Vaginal birth versus a planned C Section. I've seen many friends have to recover after a C Section … and NO THANK YOU! My thoughts go out to this poor mother … I hope she is not forced to go against her wishes.

  62. John Jennifer Jeppson

    Jennifer had her baby today at a different hospital. Both mom and baby are doing well. She was able to go into labor and, after several hours of not progressing, she chose to undergo a repeat cesarean. While she wishes she could have had the VBAC she desired, she is happy with her delivery and appreciative of the love and support she has received over the last few days.

  63. George Pfeiffer

    Vanessa- feel free to research the situation all you want. You seem to have the time on your hands.

  64. Brenda Teckman

    Not to mention the pain, potential infection which the doctor will blame on the patient, sometimes the wounds don't close and require weeks of visiting nurse care, and some doctors actually screw up the C-section itself and cut things they shouldn't … punctured kidney or bladder or intestines. I've had both deliveries and have first hand knowledge.

  65. Brenda Teckman

    Although there are statistics to show this, there are also statistics that the VDAC rarely end like that. It's not which delivery is better that we are to decide. It's also not ours to decide what choices this woman is to make. It's hers to do, not anyone else's. The docs did an end run for reasons of their own. The question is – Does any doctor have the right to determine whether or not any PERSON has the right to make their own medical decisions?

  66. Brenda Teckman

    It's not which delivery is better that we are to decide. It's also not ours to decide what choices this woman is to make. It's hers to do, not anyone else's. The docs did an end run for reasons of their own. The question is – Does any doctor have the right to determine whether or not any PERSON has the right to make their own medical decisions? This mother seems to be smart and savvy… she never said no C-section ever, she said trial of labor which allows for a switch over if required. I went into labor with my second child with no issues expected, but lo and behold, needed the C-section due to the pelvis being too small for this child's head. I didn't like it, but the need won the day of course. So it will be with any smart woman. The only objection I have is the medical establishment thinking it has legal rights to make decisions for the woman. This is happening way too often and is an alarming trend.

  67. Jenny Garnsey

    Its not just this but some states are making it illegal to have home deliveries. It is actually much more sanitary and comfortable for women to not be confined a delivery table. This crap is making me furious. I'd have told the Doctor to go fly a kite and left. I'd move or go visit family where there is a Doctor that would do as I asked with my very informed decision.
    Sign that petition.

  68. Pamela Davidson Davidson

    my second baby was a c section cus he was coming out butt first so i had no choice well when i was pregnant with my 3rd baby i was told i had to have a c section i asked why they said once u have one most likely u will need again so my ins changed and i changed doctors because i had a 1st normal baby small but still normal second was c section when i seen this dr for 3rd baby he told me no u do not need to have another c section unless there is complications with babys head not being down there and so forth so i told dr i would like normal birth he didn't see any problems with it all way up to my due date i was only a week overdue but went into labor and had my third normal and also had my 4th baby normal so just cause u had one c section doesn't mean u have to all time unless there is something wrong with mother before hand or baby i knew my rights they just wanted to do c section other dr cus it was easy well he didn't get his way i had 4 healthy babies first was 5;10 second was 6;12 3rd was 8;5 4th was 7;14 3 boys 1 girl kept trying for a girl but that was gonna be it for me if she was another boy lol

  69. Lisa Elwell Barker

    I attempted a VBAC in 2006 after having an emergency cesarean the year earlier. Every major complication in labor and delivery occurred. My uterus ruptured, the cord prolapsed and and the placenta tore. My daughter was born dead and I, too, flat lined. There are risks. However, it is HER body and HERS alone. Childbirth is not a procedure – it is a natural fact of life. If she is willing to face the risks, than NO ONE should be able to deny her.

  70. Stephanie Lynn Mouat

    In many cases woman can sucessfully deliver after a C-section. Its old medicine to automatically deny a pregnant woman the chance to attempt a vaginal delivery first. Cesarean should be last resort if complications arise. Florida needs to get out of the stone age.

  71. Angie Mashburn

    I had 2 c sections and was only there 2 days. So no they dont keep you longer than normal births unless there are complications at least not in nc

  72. Leah Peyton

    Gail–did you ever think that comments like yours are precisely the reasons why doctors don't want to touch her? She has had 3 previous c-sections–she is at a very high risk of rupturing her uterus! There are some patients that are good candidates for a VBAC and she is not one of them! If she knows so much, why does she even go to the doctor? If she is not following their medical advice, stay home and hemorrhage by yourself!

  73. Leah Peyton

    This article is not about a woman's right to choose the way she wants to deliver! This is about the doctor telling this patient that she is not a candidate for a safe VBAC! She has had 3 previous c-sections! She is at a very high risk for rupturing her uterus along her old scar lines! Shame on her for putting herself and her baby in this dangerous situation! Especially because she is a mom to three other children! I am a labor and delivery nurse and have seen failed VBACS–they are horrible! Especially because they can be avoided!

  74. Leah Peyton

    Sorry Katie, but you are very naive! She went to a doctor of her choosing and that doctor deemed her not a good candidate for a VBAC. So are we to sue all doctors if we don't like their medical advice? This woman is at extremely high risk for a uterine rupture based on the fact that she has had 3 previous c-sections! Is that "medical reason" enough for you? If she feels that strongly, she could just stay home and have a home birth—how about that? Your post is very juvenile!

  75. Leah Peyton

    Kathy Armstrong –if you think this is just a matter of convenience for the doctor, you are just too simple-minded to understand this article.

  76. Lynne Cherkasky Karabinas

    As a healthcare professional I'm afraid this article is lacking a lot of information. My daughter is also an obstetrician. Doctors do not perform C-sections if they can avoid it. Something is not being said here.

  77. Rachel E Skelton Ramirez

    I hope a mid wife will chime in here and deliver the baby for her. Poor woman being forced to have surgery is a terrible thing, but OBGYN's do it all the time

  78. Lynne Cherkasky Karabinas

    My daughter is one of those obstetricians who doesn't play golf. She leaves her two babies at 2 A.M. to rush to the hospital to do a C-section, many times saving a mother and baby . She gets paid $283.00. How much do you pay your plumber. She is also paying back 100's of thousands of dollars in student loans. Don't comment on things you know nothing about.

  79. Alan Di

    How much is the hospital willing to pay after the assault charges are filed? You can't force anyone to have any surgery.

  80. Ursula Pasche Stouffer

    Lynne Cherkasky Karabinas Your daughter is the exception. What Wendy says applies to most obstetricians.
    I had a c-section with my second daughter, and wanted a normal birth for my son. I went to one obstetrician, who said to me, "Why would you want to bother with a vaginal delivery, when you can have such an easy way out with a c-section?" Needless to say, I went to find another obstetrician.
    Don't assume that because your daughter appears to actually care more about her patients than her own convenience, that all other obstetricians are like her.

  81. Anonymous

    IF the reason she had to have C-sections are not because of some fatal issue that would have killed her and/or her other children… She has a right to give it a try, and if things don't progress….they can always do a Csection.

  82. Tori Elmquist

    VBAC and Cesarian's hold similar risks, the difference being that when one is in trouble with a VBAC one can switch to C-section, and the opposite is not true.

  83. Tori Elmquist

    VBAC and Cesarian's hold similar risks, the difference being that when one is in trouble with a VBAC one can switch to C-section, and the opposite is not true.

  84. Tori Elmquist

    why exactly do you think you get to decide for her what she should do for her medical care? This is not about if c- sections are the right choice, it's about who gets to make that choice.

  85. Suzanne Fuller

    So a person has no rights when it comes to their medical care! Not how it is supposed to be and someone needs to file a lawsuit and take it to the Supreme Court!!

  86. Richard Speck

    once again the goverment taking the right of choice from women. i thought this got decided already in roe v wade.

  87. Phoenix Matthews

    There are some more risks to her because she has had multiple csections already. But that does not mean she cant try a normal birth and switch if something goes wrong. This is absolutly wrong and i had to deal with a doctor that was exactly the same. But i came from a small town and was too scared to sue my doctor after the damage he did.

  88. Maya Cizmarova

    they force her to have a C-section because she had 3 Cs before…..now she is in 3 times bigger danger of that her uterus cut from before bursts and she bleeds out. She could consider a normal delivery after the 1st…even then they are ready for C-section in case of emergency. But after 3 C-sections … i wouldn't think of it.

  89. Amy Hanson Johnson

    Tori, I never said I "get to decide for her what she shoulddo for her medical care." I just think (jmy opinion, that's all) that she is making a risky choice doing a tol after 3 csections. The comments section of an article is for thoughts and opinions. Not sure why you are jumping on a person for doing just that. I am glad mom and the baby are safe.

  90. Anonymous

    If the doctors and courts can force women into c sections, why don't they force the dead beat fathers to have vasectomies. Is this a case of men controlling women? Sounds like the Middle Eastern culture is taking hold in America.

  91. Billy Bell

    Hmm…I think the hospital decision maker/s is/are only concerned about how much more money they make per cesarean vs. natural birth.
    Unless they just enjoy control & the power to destroy individual freedom, & rights!

  92. Kimberly Gaynor

    her insurance may not allow her to go out of their network, just because there are other hospitals, her insurance may only deal with certain ones

  93. Becky Young

    here's another crazy idea. I know she wants to do this, i respect that, but in the end shouldnt this be more about whats best for the baby instead her. I;ve had two c-sects and I'll be honest. My first was due to breech presentation. So with my 2nd she moved just like she was suppose to. all ready to go. My ob said if I wanted to do vaginal that was ok with him a few days before she was born i chickened out and call him they did an amnio she wasnt ready yet another week and we did it she was perfect. I didnt care about myself I just wanted her to be ok and if that meant another c-sect so be it. I wasnt concerned about natural and bonding the whole birth experience i dont feel cheated out of that its didnt matter how they got here as long as it was a safe passage thats the gerat thing about modern medicine it odenst have to be hard. You have your whole life to bond and those who adopt never go thru birthing exp per say it doesnt make any less special ro them any less a mother .Just my thoughts

  94. Lora Evans Moellenberndt

    The entire situation is horribly troubling, but I noticed something in the beginning of the report even more troubling, which may point to the hospitals true motives. Did anyone else notice WHO sent the threatening letter to Ms. goodall? The "Chief FINANCIAL Officer". For all the reasons Dr's talk mothers into uneccesarily having this dangerous surgery, financial gain most certainly is among them. Based on WHO this letter was sent by, It appears to me that financial gain, quite possibly, may have been the motive of this hospital. A cesarean is exceedingly expensive. I had to have one in 1994 and beck then the hospital charges alone were nearly $30,000. I can't even begin to imagine what the hospital fee's would be now. If money is the hospitals true motive, and I sincerely believe it is… We all need to worry about the future of our healthcare. I sincerely hope that pressure from the public outcry that is happening, will force this hospital to reconsider. Ultimately we are consumers. And most have a choice as to where we receive our care. If the hospital chooses to push this issue with Ms. Goodall… they're very likely to lose far more overall, than what they would make from this one patient.