God Particle Hunt Comes Up Empty

a big waste of time and money.

Waoh another article to make seem Gods existence to be not real praise God.

Sure, Higgs boson never explained the whole. But attempted to explain the oldest concepts of modern physics in quantum framework, which was given a raw demonstration by Galileo in 1589 by dropping objects from the Leaning Tower of Pisa. We start learning Physics with his laws of force and friction but never learn more than that ever during our whole tenure as students. A quantum explanation of mass and gravity thus will give a body to the 100 year old painting of quantum mechanics.

However, it's not Higgs boson, but unnamed particles of two origins, which create gravity between 'masses'. The discovery already took place in 2010 and has now been reported as a USPTO application which will be officially published by the US Patent Office. Some general landmarks are on my site http://www.anadish.com/. I have refrained from giving details, as the details are already under publication.

Look in Genesis chapter one…the answer is there…

welll glad we wasted all this money to figure out what we should already know, but everything in the bible seems blasphemy to a scientist, which is why they will never stop trying to find this particle and the religion and science debate will never have a winner. if religion wins a somewhat utopia would form which is unrealistic and if science wins then an anti-utopia world would form, everyone in the world should know this, and save some future debating.

Horribly sad that you think in terms of winners or losers and science Vs. religion. I don't think these scientist are out to prove or disprove the existence of organized religion. Science seeks to find truth though observation. No one here can say without doubt that this was a waste of money. Only time will tell.

lol…how much did they spend? These scientist have taken being obsessed with an idea to another level.

Apples to oranges- comparing fact to mythology

somewhere… God just let out of laugh not unlike nelson from the simpsons. HA HA.

what an idiotic article. maybe if they had more facts right some of it could be believed. CERN, gave us the freaking internet! Well worth the money. the contributions of the collider have been enormous.

Read the article again- the nickname is in reverence to God- says that "the smallest piece of substance that gives all other matter weight." So, saying that God is the basis of it all is irreverent?

The nickname is in reverence to God- says that "the smallest piece of substance that gives all other matter weight." So, saying that God is the basis of it all is irreverent? So, why all the crazies making negative comments?

That is exactly what I was about to say. The answer has been there from the beginning. "Professing to be wise, they became fools."

i clearly said there is no winners and loser in the debate. its forever a draw

its an unstoppable force vs. a immovable object

@ marcus well seeing how you know how physics work in its most basic state why don't you apply that knowledge in some technology that will better the human race. I know god exist but my love for science is my quest to try to understand god. Because I follow the 10 commandments, I love God Yahweh with all my heart. You seem to think that trying to understand is somehow against god. No offense but you have it all wrong. Religion is a lazy way out, its a bunch of people that beleive something that they don't know. Science is a bunch of people that know they dont know but try to figure out. You don't study god you study a man made religion, While science isn't man made its god made. Because I truly love god I study science to understand his great creation. Praise be to Yahweh!

yes i agree with you, to a certain point. some things in my opinion men are not meant to be discovered by man

One of the scientists at CERN said it best. "If we find it, that's great. If we don't, that's even better!"
This is what science is all about. Coming up with a theory, attempting to verify that theory, and if you can't, try something else.
The never-ending quest for knowledge is the greatest of man's goals.

Hocus pocus ,A.K.A. the Bible, does NOT have all the answers. You probably believe in Santa, too.

Hey, another religious zealot. Wow, I pity you, Mark.

I cannot understand how you've come to the conclusion that a world without science would be a utopia and a world without religion would be an 'anti-utopia.' On what are you basing these ideas? Isn't it clear that nearly every beneficial advancement for humanity has come about directly because of science and the scientist mindset of discovery? Technology, medicine, transportation, food, entertainment, etc are all what they are today because people refused to limit themselves with religious dogma and instead keep asking questions. A world with only religion would have none of these things, but instead would be overflowing in sexism, racism, ageism, violence, and stifling obedience. It seems very clear to me that scientific people do not need religion in order for them to be good, moral, or meaningful. However, even the best-intentioned religious person cannot help advance humanity without science. Science wins.

did you ever stop to think, what if God came down and declared the end of the world. What would be on the news. How will it look like. God is a living being, i suppose? was his physical form born into the universe perhaps on another planet? Or is it a being who always existed. How would we know as a government that its not a highly advanced alien race trying to enslave us? seriously, I have to ask those questions, I don't think god would want us to be ignorant of anything, because if were the temple of the holy spirit does that mean our lives and experiences are to prepare us to be gods. Maybe god had an origin in a previous universe or whatever. just sayin.

@Aristoteles If god doesn't want us to be ignorant why would god value faith and obedience above all else?

well he doesnt want us to be ignorant but humans are definitely mortal which means we have limits. and thats the line where everything gets complicated, its my point we were created to not know, like other things such as the vastness of the universe and our quest for other intelligent life… i try not to think about this stuff because it can make you insane

@ kyle Spears- i mean that if religion is found to be completely true and everyone accepts it a world more like a utopia would form because everyone knows there is a god and there would be no opposition to god. but if religion is proven completely wrong then everyone would lose faith and hope for their lives and then and then anti-utopia, because their is no promise of something after life. most humans cant live normally that way after having a religion… thats the best way i can explain myself

This article doesn't even have to do with religion… you're all moronic for assuming it does. It does show that there is a huge waste of money being put into this, but nothing about disproving religion or assuming blasphemy. You all fail.

Like December 21st late? lol

A world with only religion would be a utopia? Do we forget religion brought us the crusades, the inquisition, the degradation of women, the sexual exploitation of children, prejudice against homosexuals and practically anyone else who believes in anything different, aids epidemic in Africa, eye for an eye punishment, stone-ings, witch -hunt, and mormons knocking on your door… quite the utopia.

You're insulting the Bible but yet you believe in 'science' like those blithering idiots detailed in the article above? What's more mythological: something that a scientist said exists but can't find any evidence of, or the Bible? Looks like we're all on similar playing fields here.

Wow, another anti-religious zealot. We pity you alot more. Us 'religious zealots' try to spread the word of eternal life (which you may or may not believe in) and all you can do is shoot people down.

when i say religion i mean one that is discovered to be true without opposition… the reason religion in the past brought problems is because there was other religions and nobody knew their religion was the true religion so war,greed, jealousy, violence and other things happened. same as it is today

This reply goes for the other wise-guy fool, little "John Wisniewski", as well …

Don't you understand, you fool ("ralphmalph07928"), that believing in the Bible is arrived at through analysis of metaphysical issues surrounding the human experience? I know the word "metaphysical" might be a little too complicated for you, but suffice it to say for your simplistic little mind that it involves things and issues that transcend the material. Through 5 minutes of quick reasoning, materialism can be proved to be a self-contradictory philosophy, which opens up the fact that there are truths that lie beyond the material realm. As thinking people (i.e.- not you) delve deeper into the issue of whether ethical truths exist, they (i.e.- not you) arrive at the conclusion that there must be an independent source of truth from which these ethical truths emanate (otherwise, the human experience is reduced to an arbitrary and totally ludicrous chain of meaningless events). Upon further analysis, the most reasonable and well-grounded source of truth is the God of the Bible, and the validity of this conviction is further strengthened by personal and empirical evidence (and even historical evidence). As proved by Descartes' stream of thought that led to "cogito ergo sum", it is METAPHYSICALLY impossible (I know that is a big word for you, "ralphmalph07928") for a human being to go through life without having faith in SOMETHING (even atheists must exercise faith in certain ideas and principles). Therefore, faith in the God of the Bible is not an indefensible choice, but rather a reasonable choice that can be proved to be the most sensible of all options for the human experience. Regardless of the idiotic and simplistic paradigms adopted by the Christian Church (which the God of the Bible is VERY ANGRY at), faith in the God of Christianity is the most reasonable foundation to build on, and it is the faith that best explains the full spectrum of the human experience (at least for the very few Christians who delve into the depths of Scripture). This is but a summary, an outline, little ralphmalph07928; you cannot expect a full explanation in one article reply, especially when it involves issues that take years (and a humble, willing-to-learn attitude) to meditate upon and comprehend. I wonder if you have either the humility or the analytical intelligence to understand what was written here, but you were the one who prompted this response by trying to pass up for an "analytical", "intellectual" person. If you want to play the game by those rules, better be prepared to be pummelled and humiliated by clear-thinking, unbiased analysis. Otherwise, better stay off the "I-am-an-analytical-intellectual" horse, and get back to grounded reality and BEGIN TO THINK!!!!

Don't you have a book to go thump on in other people's faces?

I'll take free pity, but I'm no zealot. I don't care if you believe in a mythical zombie Jesus that wants you to eat flesh and drink blood, it's cool. http://www.zombiejesusday.org <——- Just sayin'

I don't know why all these bible fanatics are beating there chest like they won something. bunch of assholes. science is all about learning and sharing that knowledge to future generation. it's about figuring out where we stand and what's out there or even what's in our own backyard. I don't know why science is so threatening to people who are of a religious faith. in fact, I think it's beneficial for EVERYONE to be interested in science. I would rather learn that the universe is expanding at an even faster pace right now or if you travel faster than light, you could possibly be able to travel back in time than simply thinking that some "designer" made everything. yeah yeah we all know life is complex. here's the thing, i don't want to know that a "designer" made the universe and that's it. I want to know how the universe ticks and how it became to be. what was the cause of such an outcome and can we go beyond the cause? is there something that preceded the big bang? the point is that science is not really against religion or god. it's about finding the truth. (the truth is out there) whether we find the "God" particle or not is win win situation for us regardless of the outcome. in the end, it's to find the truth, not point fingers and say "ha ha we were right and we won" phew.

If they ever made a movie on Easter, this would be the tagline: “He died for your sins. He's back for your brains.” Zombie Jesus, the movie. ……and I quote the ANCIENT Greeks, who had this figured out 2000 years ago :
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
-Epicurus

Oh, and it's well know that calling people names, like you were noeleon, is the first sign someone knows they are losing an argument. Just sayin'……

If the world was perfect why would we need God? Plus God knows that forcing us to believe in him doesn't allow us to show a love for him, we'd just be marching toy soldiers. THAT'S why he doesn't up and fix everything.

So your dumb joke is acually supposed to be a valid point for your argument? or would you rather just insult someone and run away?

Wow, way to argue logic, and fail. Are you saying that you know what the big G is thinking? That sounds presumptuous. Also, "If the world was perfect why would we need God?" Really? Did you really say that? It's not like he is doing much to make it perfect! You have done nothing to fight against Epicurus' logic. If you can't find some logic and reason in your argument, you should give up. Your assumptions on God's thoughts and crazy mythological beliefs have no place in a logical conversation. Now, why don't you go thump your mythological tales in a corner somewhere and leave the logical conversations to people who know how to have them?

I was neither joking nor did I insult anyone. Unless that how you take it, but that's not my fault, that's yours. You should think before you type.

This, however, is kind of joking, and possibly insulting……. but it makes a damn good point! http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090413012520/uncyclopedia/images/5/5e/ZombieJC.jpg

That was the World Wide Web that CERN created.

You're not really doing much in the way of arguing either. You're like a politian: someone who can talk alot and say nothing.

Surely, since scientists have been mistaken, the true answer is that there is giant invisible man in the sky who was never born and somehow always existed, and if you do not believe in him and a book written by his followers that was re-edited numerous times by corrupt, power hungry individuals, THEN YOU WILL BURN IN HELLLLLL.

AKA: spread the word of accepting mumbo jumbo with zero evidence and diving into ignorance.

@Jacob Personal attacks are not nice just because you are losing. Oh, and see Pat for additional logic on why you are, and always will be, wrong. @Pat You rule.

Stupid religious nuts.

there is no such thing as a "god particle" you DUMBSHITS. man I wish I had a "Ph Dumb" so all the rest of my "chums" or.
"experts" could sit around with me while we literally MADE SHIT UP. and oh, by the way, I have the clout to say such things as I am a dual degreed chemical engineer with a biotech degree and a minor in chemistry as well. GET A FUCKING LIFE and solve some real issues instead of LITERALLY FUCKING AROUND.

There is a band called Godsmack…go blog there. This has NOTHING to do with a creator.

Boy are you clueless.

It's not their fault, Alyson. They have been brainwashed all their lives to believe this stuff. If they ever realized the truth, the sudden shock of knowledge may just burst their skulls open……….. much to the delight of Zombie Jesus, I assume.

Yeah, my parents are Christian. My family is mostly Lutheran or Catholic. I'm atheist. Was Christian for 13 years, agnostic for 1 and have been atheist for a year and a half. All about indoctrinating them while they're young and gullible, I guess.

No, you fail, fucktard, for assuming we are assuming it has something to do with religion. I don't give a flying fuck what it's about, I'm just here to troll.

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what it's about.

I can see that you're just here to troll. So does that mean you're like 8 years old? Maybe 9.

No, it takes decades to acquire my trolling skills. Why don't you climb in your gas guzzling SUV and go play in the mud with your boyfriends?

Yes its called a "god" particle but you fail to understand that it actually has nothing to do with god or the bible. So next time please read the article or learn what a god particle actually is before you comment with that bible nonsense.

Actually, it's not a gas guzzler. It gets a decent 18 mpg, which is very good for a Hummer. And fyi, it's a truck. It's an H3T, but nice try Mr. Cartoon.

@David It's all they know how to do. Make radical assumptions based on no fact and forcing it on others.

Ooooh!! Now, you mean a WHOLE 18 MPG? Wow, I'm so not impressed! I've probably driven a few(dozen) more hummers than you and I don't care what type it is, it's not a truck. Sorry, fail. But, nice try, Cockbite. Oh, if you think you look badass standing there next to your toy, well, you fail again. You look like a douchebag that has nothing better to do than show off his gas guzzling SUV.

………..and as for the cartoon…. well, yeah, that's what it is. You want a cookie for stating the obvious?

Lol, no, my friends wanted me to do it because we just finished hunting and I took it with my kill. BUT Facebook doesn't really enjoy dead animals hanging from your hands, so I had to take those out. Nice try.

I don't care who wanted you to do it, you chose to pose for the douchebag photo. You chose to post it. Hence, you chose to put up a pic of yourself looking like a self-righteous douchebag. So, yes, it was a nice try, and win. I am impressed, though, with how you rednecks have learned to work a computer.

By the way, do you play the banjo?

I can play the violin and guitar, which is in the treble clef. So yes, I might be able to play the banjo. But I'm hardly a redneck in my $5million trailer.

@vanover I didn't realize God valued faith and obidiance above all else. Where does he say that. Be careful not to confuse what God says and what Man says.

Is the "shoot people down" comment supposed to be pun intended? LOL

It seems that John is very frightened of the existance of God, we all pity you John.

Science is simply thinking God's thoughts after Him.

I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I am sure you are used to that,though, Mikey.

@Lisa ROFL! Now THAT is funny!

Only a true douchebag would make a comment like that about money. Thank you, though, for proving my point.

spirituality is fine, religion is the downfall of humanity.

Anyway, you work at a car dealer. You should know you have no soul, if such a thing exists.

I think its funny how the young and gullible can be brainwashed by ignorant atheist. At least that's all I see.

Let's call it brainwashing when we can provide proof of our sky daddy, okay, Alex? Ignorance is only ignorance if it's believing in something unseen. Believing something proven to me, is not ignorance. It's observation and fact. Don't be rude, kiddo.

Wow, you just got served, Alex. I can't imagine what it must feel like getting bitch-slapped that hard. Alyson, I must bow to your skills.

Haha kiddo? I'm positive I'm older than you. No, the majority of atheist are the ones who were the misfits in highschool and just want a way to contradict everyone else because they just love arguing with everyone else. And its called "faith" I am sorry that I have the tolerance and I don't need to see everything just to believe it. There's wind, but you can see it. So wind isn't real right?

Thanks, John. I mean, religious theory is like saying "I HAVE A TOY!" and instead of simply showing the toy when I ask them for proof of this toy, they get upset and throw insults out. The average atheist could say "I have a toy!" and simply show it. There's the proof. How difficult is it to prove a possession?

Alex, just because you're older doesn't mean you're more mature or intelligent. Your second statement is quite ignorant since you don't have a single fact to back that claim up. I'm not a misfit, I'm involved in many school clubs and sports. I'm quite "popular" although I don't embrace it since it's materialistic. I'm not intolerant, I simply don't believe claims that aren't backed up. If a stranger says they have candy in the van, I'm not going to have "faith" and jump in the van. The wind is measurable, "faith" is not. Any other non-point point you want to bring up?

Alex, that makes no sense. You can physically feel wind and if there is something in the air, you can see it. I know you are getting desperate, but please try harder. Oh, and I never got in trouble in high school and was an A student, so there goes another wild assumption of yours without any merit or proof.

Haha kiddo, have fun getting by in life with that attitude. But see there are better things to do than argue with people you will never meet on the internet. God bless you guys and have a safe night.

I get told a lot that I'm simply trying to disrupt society or insult my parents. My parents don't care that I'm atheist. They back me up in my pro-choice and pro-LGBT arguments on Debate Team and support my involvement in the Gay-Straight Alliance club. I simply want to volunteer towards humanity (example: food, water, blankets and school books) not the religious texts. I've been a Girl Scout for 9 years (my mother is my leader) and I volunteer at a local camp for serious illnesses. Oh no, I have no morals. #sarcasm

Yes, run away, run away.

I seem to be doing very well with my lack of attitude, thanks. I'm saving up for college and plan on going into photojournalism. My grandma pays me $50 a month to mow her lawn twice. I have an art show for my photography this Friday and Saturday, volunteer on Thursday at camp and may got an internship with the local newspaper. I seem to be doing quite well. Only bad thing so far this month was getting diagnosed with anemia, but I'm treating it with some vitamins. Yeah, you started the argument…so? Your point? You never really made one. Feel free to pray for me, condemn me, whatever your particular domination and church combined does. (:

maybe seeing nothing, is actually it.

I see the debate team has served you well. I can't think of a thing to add.

Thanks. I just keep my personal opinion out, add in examples and serve some fact and logic on the side. It's only fair to everyone. I'm also into ethics.

We follow no "rules" or "books" other than not believing in the unproven.

The thoughts of a very ignorant woman!

Your correct John, the Zombie reference is obviously given because the Jesus God died and rose from the dead! As they say, birds of a feather…..in this case….zombies of the same color flock together.

Not so Marcus. Religion is a social product that was learned….and as a social product of brain-washing it can be un-learned….start by trying to be as objective as you can be….maybe try to see why some people "believe" in other gods. Go from there. Then see why some people (mostly the smart ones) are atheist.

And the difference is? I hear that all of the time yet the same people that advocate no religion soon start talking about Jesus as if he were actually the son of some God. Spirituality pople should remove religion altogther, which means the likes of all religion….even, yes, Jesus.

People that are rational and practical that speak bad about religion have done so because religion tears our society apart and has been the base of war and suffering. You religious zealots talk of this eternal life,. with no proof to back you words….nothing but empty promises and foolish talk from religion! Also, what is up with the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost? Where are the Mother and Daughter? Your religion is not only divisive but down right sexist too!

Sorry troll, I have a life. I got off the computer and went to work out. :p
Get over yourself? lol

Forget the religious bs. The large hadron collider should still be on the hunt.

Whatever's out there in the subatomic world, CERN will find it – with scientific data… Soon the time will come when physics, space, (and even biological) research will be lost here (US) because of loss of interest (and various conservative beliefs). At that time, HELLO EUROPE!!!

However, Connor, not everyone is so hip to the Zombie Jesus theory. Some theologians and religious scholars have argued that certain translations of the Gospel, as well as some parts of other translations, point to the possibility that Jesus came back not as a zombie, but as a vampire. If this is true, certain parts of the Gospel that seemed a bit odd could be easily explained – such as his tendency to sleep in tombs, and Luke 9:60 "Leave the dead to bury their own dead". Also, Vampire Jesus was not killed by a shovel in the head, as his head was not actually completely removed, and his apparent desire to have his followers drink his blood (something zombies have no taste for, as they can't chew it). This would also explain the inherent fear of crosses that all vampires seem to have.

And their biggest curse, in my opinion.

Haha!! You're my hero, Daniels. You are.

@Mark I can't understand the grammar. Slap you for posting God crap, and not being able to pontificate!!

fuck u

u r dumb

u r a super dumb ass

fuck u

I don't understand why these people have to use a machine to prove that God exists. If you walk into a forest and see a table set and ready to dine, one would naturally assume that someone set it. So why is humanity having such a hard time seeing the complexity that is the human body the different parts and their intricate functions and the balance that exists in nature that allows life on this planet and still they have to search for evidence of Intelligence in the design?
Ok so you say there is no God and we are here because of a big bang that led to evolution.
Gas is matter. Where did it come from?
Last I heard even air is made up of molecules and atoms, so where did those come from?

I would love to know how a book that predicted the past to the letter years before it took place and has never been wrong is hocus pocus. You say that my dear because of ignorance. If you seek you will find. The BIBLE never has been nor ever will it be wrong. Learn for yourself and you will see for yourself.

Mankind has spent their entire life in search of ways to prove that they dont need God and that they can save themselves. And so they live in the pursuit of knowledge and in the pursuit of happiness for a flesh that is already eternally dead. In Christ alone there is life; and in knowing Him happiness here and in the hereafter. This world is spiraling down the drain rapidly and all who cling to it will go down with it. The only hope is belief in what Christ has done for us . It is much easier to be saved than it is to be lost. All we have to do is believe in Jesus and believe the account of His prophets.
What use is it to us to gain the whole world and lose our souls.

And what drain would the world be spiraling down? Is it a clockwise spiral, or counterclockwise spiral?

@John Wisniewski: I understand you don't agree with Christianity, but isn't it kinda sad that you commented on every post you perceived to be from a Christian to tell them that you think they are stupid? I know that many Christians are ignorant and have an aversion to science because they think it might conflict with the Bible. I greatly disagree with that sentiment. I would even go so far as to say science has actually led me to believe in a God, but that is another conversation entirely and is much too long for this thread. I would just ask that you don't judge a religion based on people who have never read the document themselves. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Anyways, I hope you find a better way to use your time than spending it on yahoo threads telling people they are wrong. And hopefully I will find a better way to spend my time too, haha. God bless

I think this is a good use of money because lord knows the human race has spent alot of money on dumber shit than expanding our knowledge. the royal wedding cost 70 something million dollars, not only that the country was in a recession. these comments are pretty funny to read, and some are just plain stupid, if your religous please don't comment and say things like cojacmoment because that's something that's part of your religion and it should stay that way, even though its called the god particle it is not trying tosay god doesn't exist or anything like that. by the way I'm an atheist and don't think I need the lord jesus christ to be saved and I don't think christ alone is life, that makes no sense, there are milions of people who don't even know who christ is and some never will. saying something like that makes you look bad. also don't say your things like its an absolute fact because the truth of the matter is that you don't know and nobody knows I accept my lack of knowledge about alot of the things in the world that is why I seek knowledge and that is why I read stuff like this, and one last thing you have to accept that in the end peoples opinions will differ from yours, your comment sounded very intolerant, I was a christian for 12 years, I am now 19 and you know what ive read the bible ( a huge portion of it) and ironicaly its what drove me to atheism, when I sought out the knowledge for myself it made alot more sense one way than the other. tyvm for listening, I hope you werent by anything I said. ( sorry about spelling mistakes and whatnot =).

scientist have to be obssesed by ideas, that's how we continue to advance the human race, the people who are researching this god particle are the same people and type of people that led the human race to this point.

just because we don't know something doesn't mean that putting god into the equation will make it right, that's just being ignorant -_-

lol no :3

Is this how the world enders came up with a date of Dec 2012, or is it pure coincidence…..lets stop wasting money and playing….why do we need to know what started it all……lets concentrate on what we can do to keep it all going…..this is just nuts…..no wonder so many young people are hooked on drugs and committing suicide, what are we giving them to live for…….the end…..oh that's a real motivator…….

The amount of money being wasted on this nonsense is incredible…only surpassed by the trillions wated on religions of all sort.

I used to be an atheist. Then God showed me signs in the real world after a prayer in Jesus Christ's name that He is real and very much a loving God that will test our faith. Please read the entire Bible and learn about some things the Bible knew well before so many of us ever did. For example: the Earth being round (see KJV Isaiah 40:22) and maybe hmm.. just maybe that Jesus Christ is the most well known Person (much more really) to have ever graced this planet for a good reason. Or, I'm sure you atheists can also completely ignore the fact that Venus and Earth share an orbital ratio equal in geometric law to Phi (or the golden ratio). But then again like most Bible bashers and non-believers, you'd rather believe in death and non-existence at the passing of this life and remain uneducated about golden ratios, intelligent design, God, and all other glorious monuments and bastions of hope for the human race and believe rather that everything came from nothing and from that everything came all these glorious coincidences and the beautful evolution of some monkeys (not all of course, lol) to us.

Ryan whether you know it or are just kidding you are actually right…one vast nothing materially, all things potentially….

Without science there is no medicine, electricity, transportation, microwaves, iphones, or Facebook. None of these things were researched to spite God or Religion, so take your fanaticism elsewhere.

Thank you for turning this forum for scientific discussion into a religious debate. Shame on you. Claim that you're spreading God's will all you want, but at this very moment in this very place, you are a nuisance…..and I have a hard time believing that is what God would want you to do.

Come on Joe, what would have happened if Edison or the Wright Brothers would have had that attitude every time they failed. The time and money being spent here is peanuts compared to some other governmental expenditures and this one could actually be beneficial. Neil Armstrong is glad we didn't give up the first time a rocket crashed back into the Earth.

Science is a quest for knowledge, not a movement against a higher power. When was the last time a Chemist interrupted a funeral to spark up a debate. If you're posting about religion here, you know well enough that there is a time and a place for it. This isn't it.

How sad LITTLE GIRL…You will learn in this life the SOMETHING DOES NOT COME FROM NOTHING.

Aw, man.. Is there ever gonna be a such thing as a theological conversation without a preacher at close hand?

You go ahead and do that.
I'll stick to not having imaginary friends.

There is nothing worse than a preacher with blind faith except for a scientist with none…

We came from monkeys, people! Get over it!

Now why on Earth would you set the date to know "for sure" as the end of 2012? Wouldn't that be the best timeframe to avoid? How bout you just wait an extra few months into 2013 so that we just avoid that whole "End of the world" thing. Whaddaya say, fellas?

1. I'm not a little girl. Maybe if I was 12 or younger, then that term would still apply. 2. Where did your god from?

Harmonic, I never said what theory I believe in. I don't know EXACTLY how we got here, but I won't believe in something unproven just to satisfy my curiosity. Until something or someone proves how we get here to me, I don't need to know. I'm breathing just fine without some magic skydaddy.

Wow they are just not looking in the right places.

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If I heard voices, believed in angels and demons, thought that a dead man from 2,000 years ago was going to magically return in a cloud, that a human once parted the sea or that the earth is only 6,000 years old… would that make me a christian or just mentally ill? I rest my case.

May The Marshmellow Man bless your ignorant soul. Praise Him! You won't be laughing when he comes back and tortures you in his Creme Puff chamber!

Book Of Santa Claus Chapter 2:8 states: "Christians are braindead idiots, typically mentally ill by clinical standards, that can't think for themselves and rely on quoting an ancient storybook that has as much meaning as the last shit I took."

True, I stand corrected. But anyway, the fermilab in illinios doesnt have the capability to test for this. The LHC at cern is seven times as powerful, so it doesnt pay to even print this article

I said nothing about the god particle. I was defending the Bible which, as you would know if you read this whole thread, was attacked by Mr. Wisneiwski viciously for absolutely no reason other then to insult christians by acting like we're bad people when he's the only one agressively insulting people. PS @Pat no one said anything about burning in Hell. You brought that up yourself.

Yeah, never will be wrong….. um, wow, another religious zealot. I'm not going to try to convince you that you people are wrong. Religious nuts believe what they believe and won't change their mind regardless of the truth. Oh, and Jacob, I didn't "attack" you. If I did, you'd know it.

It's the LHC at Cern that is expected to discover the particle. so why al the fuss about The Tevatron at Fermilab not finding it? I would just like to know the answer to that. Am I missing something here?

I love how they defeat their own arguments…… Harmonic, thank you for proving there is no God by saying something can't come from nothing……. Oh, and the "skydaddy" thing is awesome! I am soooooo using that word!

Yes, certainly a book that has been dissected and translated numerous times CAN'T be wrong! Wow, I feel bad you are sooooo ignorant. Not stupid, just ignorant. There is a difference. Also, why can we covet anyone any anything as long as it's not our neighbor's? I'd like some clarification on that. While we are at it, is it thou shalt not kill or thou shalt not murder? Either way, God kinda screwed the pooch on that one when he decided to murder so many people with the flood. I posted this before, but I think it deserves to be posted again:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”
They were smart enough to figure this out over 2000 years ago, why can't you?

@Vincent WIN!

do you really believe that B.S.?

The Truth is that 2000 years ago a man named Jesus was tortured and hung on a cross (he happens to be the Son of God) to die for everyones sins. He was rejected by most, and few turned towards him. The Truth is that Jesus rose from the dead and defeated death. That is a fact. The Truth is Jesus loves you no matter what, those post most of you have put on here to curse him and what he has done and will do can be forgiven.. Im not gloating about being a Christian, i am no better than any of you and neither is any other Christian. I do have Faith in what i say however, and when you accept and believe with your heart what Jesus has taught and done you will experience a Joy that will last forever. It is more than happiness will ever be. I pray you will not read this with anger or rejection. Give God a chance to enter your life, learn what God really wants of you. not what this world wants or other people. And the Meaning of God's word determines your eternity.

Your right and you dont need to spend billions of dollars to find God, thru Christ you can find Him and it cost you nothing but your life. Or you can spend billions and find what God has created. Thats what we do

So, do you know the definition of the word "fact"? I'm gonna guess not. You can't prove that Zombie Jesus was the son of God based on some fairy tale that has been translated and dissected countless times. If you buy into that book verbatim, I've got a bridge to sell you. I'm just glad more and more people are opening up their eyes and starting to think logically. Yeah, sure, Genesis is right on with the creation story. If someone who knew nothing about religion heard the stuff these fairy tale thumpers told, they would think they are insane. I mean, you believe some mythical force had a kid that died for us, became a zombie and told us to drink his blood? By the way, not all of us believe the J man was a zombie. There is also a group that believes he was a vampire, and they do make a good argument. I'm gonna go with zombie, though. Oh, and Colby, READ AND HEED THESE WORDS:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Enough Said!

The fact is that mankind has always looked to religion as an answer. The mind of man cannot comprehend the eternal, or the infinite. Man needs a crutch to get past what we cannot understand. If one even looks at the religions there are very similar the way they are set up, a creation, a path, and an end. From this point one can look and see the human condition that we all share laid out in front of us, our fears, our hope. So to say that mankind has spent its life trying to prove that there is no god is naive.

Unless I'm mistaken, CERN was always more likely to be the lab to find the Higgs anyways. Fermi doesn't even compare to CERN. But there are a lot of prominent physicists who disagree with Higg's theory in general anyways. The theory was more designed to plug a LOT of holes and solve a lot of problems… it's a Hail Mary Pass, in other words. Not like I would know any better though.

You know that traditional Judeo-Christian thought informs us that God is a spirit that creates the universe. You won't find God in any sub-atomic particle, but what you will find is ultimate mystery. What? Do you think some hadron collider is going to find the ultimate constituent of matter and claim that it is the thing-in-itself. Einstein once stated that the ultimate constituent of matter cannot be matter. Leave that thought to your imagination.

There is no God.

There's a lot of things in the bible. Including but not exclusive to, slavery, rape and of course murder.

I find religion offensive.

These So called scientists have always wanted to disprove that there is no God. but when scientists proved that long time ago that the earth stood still they proved that He Does exist!

how is he clueless?

Galatians 6:3 for if a man think him something when he is nothing, Decevith himself!

Better to be Christian and wrong and not go nowhere than to not be christian and be wrong and suffer eternity.

If you living like there is no God, You better be right.

before the big bang there was nothing, nothing is the fiber of all creation. Space, what is space. when you have nothing you have perfection because then you can begin to create everything. ask an artist with a blank canvass. there is your answer.

Yeah, that may be so. But those are worldy things. The Bible didn't take place in space so obviously, since we're such sinful beings, are sins aren't sugarcoated and censored. (Plus slavery wasn't considered wrong and Jesus was murdered by us in the Bible as well, not the other way around)

Why do you keep talking about a zombie Jesus? It's acually not funny at all and don't say it's not a joke because if you think that what we really believe you are sadly mistaken. PS you seem to quote that same passage over and over again don't you?

@James That's right! And at least we have good morale and we don't have to fear death. If we're wrong, what exactly is the downside?

You know what Satans Greatest trick is, Making people believe he doesn't Exist!

Okay so you want facts that can be proven be people. Well here is a great site that shows how chance of life existing without some sort of divine intervention http://www.reasons.org/probability-life-earth-apr-2004 People still argue that we are just lucky. I want everyone to know what God has done for us, whether you believe it or not is up too you. And God has defeated evil, through Jesus He has defeated sin and Satan. It is up to us to either take his side and live eternity with him, or not and pay the consiquences for your sin. Please give him a chance to work in your life and change you. I know this because he has changed me. The answer is there, it is not in discovering what was the first particle to ever exist, or what one can do to make more money. But it is Jesus you will find the reason you are here. Without him you will never be satisfied, never experience joy, you will have happiness here and there but it will not last. Do you find it funny that millionares always tend to want more? Or once you have what you want, you always want the next best thing? That is because your basing your life off of what this world can give you and its never enough. With Jesus you are moer than satisfied. Im not posting any of this to upset anyone or insult, I just have this urge for everyone to read it in hopes that it touches someones heart.

So do you still not consider slavery wrong? If Jesus existed then he was one of many that were killed back than. He was just at the right place and time for the fundamentalist to make him into a martyr.

Look, I could spend all day arguing with a bunch of religious zealots who are so closed minded they can't listen to reason, or I could go enjoy life. I think I'm gonna pass on talking to you guys any longer about your skydaddy and go have some fun. Jacob, I use that quote because it has flawless logic. I am a fan of logic, not fantasy, a.k.a. religion.

Wow, Jacob is a fan of slavery. Thank the skydaddy you people are a dying breed.

Oh, hey, that is the first thing you have been semi-right about, Jacob! Of course, your need to push your ridiculous beliefs on others would be one downside, but that's almost all…….

Awwww, and here I was thinking you went to go worship your skydaddy or participate in some other form of douchebaggery.

You make no sense. You have just failed in life for your comments. All you have done is lowered the intelligence of the human race. Now I know why they call ITT a diploma mill.

Wow, 2 epically failing comments in one article. That's awesome. Are you trying to make sense or are you just hitting random keys on your keyboard and praying to your skydaddy something intelligent comes out?

Well I'm actually an Atheist, so I have no "skydaddy." But it's a good try.

all right man, im not trying to get people the wrong image about this i just wanted to offer the word of God to you all.

Telling people to pray for guidance to something that does not exist is giving the "wrong image." The fact of the matter is religion is slowly but surely going the way of the dinosaur. You know what those are right? Those things most Christians deny ever existed.

I never said I agreed with slavery. I was just pointing out that it was acceptable at the time the Bible took place.

it's not Ignorance. its called Faith! Faith that would spare you from eternal damnation. Faith that there is a creator who sent his only son to die for your sins. Faith that he conqured the grave and Hades!

Okay well michael you just showed me how much you actually know about christianity. The bible does in fact support tht dinosaurs exist. The bible mentions of goliath creatures with cedar like tails. But of course sense dinosaur was not a word back then it is not used in the bible. So please before you try poking fun at people, understand what your talking about. I'm sorry for you who will never turn to the Lord. Have a good life believing there is nothing to it.

Yet again a professional bible interpreter. It is I that feels sorry for you. Your fear of the unknown has you believing in something just to be on the "safe side." How can a bunch of old primitive men that worshiped what ever they deemed magical have such respect from a person from the modern world? Time and time again religious fundamentalist answer with the same answer. Faith. I'm here to tell you that your faith is misplaced. I'm sorry.

Will it surprise you know that the bible considers slavery okay? It sure as hell didn't surprise me.

I want to clarify something. I'm not a particle physicist, but I have read some good books by science writer Timothy Ferris, who by the way has nothing but praise for amateur astronomers. I thought I should mention the so-called God particle is known as the Higgs-Boson particle by physicists, but its existence is only theoretical.

Hey Troller?

Hey Troller?

@ Michael & John Wisniewski I am a Christian! I also believe in Science! I also believe that Dinosaur's existed! In fact i find them rather Intriguing! my mind is an open journal to Endless Possibilites! most christians, Many i know off Love Science. There is somethings Science will never understand about Christianity & vise versa.

John? lets say you are going on faith that there is NO god! you can't see him you cant touch him! right? and people say he does exist. Right? ok Do you have a brain? can you see it? can you touch it?

God is very visible, I saw Him tonight as I was gazing at the moon. He's in everything we do, all we see, the wind in the trees, the flowers you see, He's in the handshake when you meet someone new, the hug from someone you've known. He's there at the funeral of a loved one, and the birth of a new loved one. In your mind and your heart, He is always there if you let Him in. None of us are perfect, we all have our flaws, but not matter what, He is there to forgive , all you have to do is ask!

amen brother.

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